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Old 14th May 2019, 08:58 AM   #1441
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
I wonder if China will meddle in the way Russia did, trying to get a more malleable president.
2020 is going to be nuts, Chinese hacking to get the Dem elected, Russian hacking to get Trump re-elected However, we go into a recession and nothing will get Trump elected other than actual vote machine hacking in Ohio/Michigan etc, or widespread voter suppression by the swing states.

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Old 14th May 2019, 09:03 AM   #1442
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Originally Posted by lobosrul5 View Post
2020 is going to be nuts, Chinese hacking to get the Dem elected, Russian hacking to get Trump re-elected However, we go into a recession and nothing will get Trump elected other than actual vote machine hacking in Ohio/Michigan etc, or widespread voter suppression by the swing states.


Man, I miss the 2000 election, when I thought I was joking when I referred to "the death of American democracy".
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Old 14th May 2019, 09:31 AM   #1443
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
I wonder if China will meddle in the way Russia did, trying to get a more malleable president.
I think if they did they'd be better at it. I believe China has a more advanced hacking program than Russia does.
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Old 14th May 2019, 09:34 AM   #1444
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Trump has little military knowledge and no strategic ability, besides being cruel and callous. He is being dragged into World War Three. What about international legality then?
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Old 14th May 2019, 09:38 AM   #1445
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
Trump has little military knowledge and no strategic ability, besides being cruel and callous.
Sorry, had to fix this.
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Old 14th May 2019, 09:51 AM   #1446
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Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss View Post
Are Patriots classified as fruits or vegetables? Are they used as animal feed or are they sold in grocery stores?
Missiles. They're deployed to shoot down incoming Chinese imports.
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Old 14th May 2019, 10:02 AM   #1447
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweeted

We are right where we want to be with China. Remember, they broke the deal with us & tried to renegotiate. We will be taking in Tens of Billions of Dollars in Tariffs from China. Buyers of product can make it themselves in the USA (ideal), or buy it from non-Tariffed countries...

....We will then spend (match or better) the money that China may no longer be spending with our Great Patriot Farmers (Agriculture), which is a small percentage of total Tariffs received, and distribute the food to starving people in nations around the world! GREAT! #MAGA
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Old 14th May 2019, 10:06 AM   #1448
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Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin View Post
Lunatic.


Yep. I love the "they broke the deal with us & tried to renegotiate" line. The whole point is they're still negotiating, there's literally no "deal" to break.

Unless you count the WTO that trump wants to abrogate, of course.
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Old 14th May 2019, 10:09 AM   #1449
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Originally Posted by lobosrul5 View Post
2020 is going to be nuts, Chinese hacking to get the Dem elected, Russian hacking to get Trump re-elected However, we go into a recession and nothing will get Trump elected other than actual vote machine hacking in Ohio/Michigan etc, or widespread voter suppression by the swing states.
Unfortunately, there is no guarantee that the U.S. will go into a recession in the next year. GDP grown remains strong, as does consumer confidence.

I say 'unfortunately' because I think Trump and the republicans mismanaging the economy (between the huge deficits, trade wars, and financial deregulations). The worst possible scenario is that the economy staggers along until late 2020, a democrat gets elected, and then the economy crashes at the end of 2020/2021 (leaving Trump and the republicans to falsely claim that they are the ones who are best at handling the economy.)

Ideally I want the recession to occur sooner, while Trump is in office (and the republicans are in control of the senate), so that perhaps people might see "you know all that stuff the republicans did to help business? we are now in recession. Maybe next time you shouldn't expect them to handle the economy well.
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Old 14th May 2019, 10:12 AM   #1450
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yep.
If you win once in trade negotiations, you will always win.

Trump has never learned to negotiate with people again and again, since everyone regrets having dealt with him even once.
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Old 14th May 2019, 10:16 AM   #1451
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Unfortunately, there is no guarantee that the U.S. will go into a recession in the next year. GDP grown remains strong, as does consumer confidence.

I say 'unfortunately' because I think Trump and the republicans mismanaging the economy (between the huge deficits, trade wars, and financial deregulations). The worst possible scenario is that the economy staggers along until late 2020, a democrat gets elected, and then the economy crashes at the end of 2020/2021 (leaving Trump and the republicans to falsely claim that they are the ones who are best at handling the economy.)

Ideally I want the recession to occur sooner, while Trump is in office (and the republicans are in control of the senate), so that perhaps people might see "you know all that stuff the republicans did to help business? we are now in recession. Maybe next time you shouldn't expect them to handle the economy well.
You mean like this from the Republican economist and author of Trumponomics?

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Former Reagan administration economist Arthur Laffer ridiculed Americans with student loan debt and blamed the 2007 Great Recession on Barack Obama, who didn't begin his presidential term until January 2009.

Speaking on Fox News Tuesday morning, longtime Republican economist Art Laffer warned viewers that Sen. Elizabeth Warren's $640 billion student loan debt forgiveness plan would be an economic "catastrophe" and cautioned 2020 voters that a Democrat like former President Barack Obama doing well in the polls may sink their retirement plans. The 2018 Trumponomics author claimed the 2007-2009 Great Recession was sparked by polls showing "Obama coming into the office," but made no mention of the subprime mortgage crisis and debt bubbles which began under Republican President George W. Bush in 2007.
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Old 14th May 2019, 10:39 AM   #1452
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You mean like this from the Republican economist and author of Trumponomics?
I was going to point out the many conservative voices who blamed Obama for the recession that began before he was even elected. That will happen again, even if the next recession began yesterday the next Democratic President will get the blame.
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Laffer is an absurd excuse for an economist. Never before and never again had a scribble on the back of a napkin so much impact over economic policy.
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Old 14th May 2019, 10:47 AM   #1454
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I was going to point out the many conservative voices who blamed Obama for the recession that began before he was even elected. That will happen again, even if the next recession began yesterday the next Democratic President will get the blame.

If they weren't blaming President Obama, then they were blaming President Clinton. President Bush apparently had no impact on the economy during his entire 8 years.
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Old 14th May 2019, 11:11 AM   #1455
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Today marks the one-year anniversary of the opening of the United States Embassy in Jerusalem, Israel. Our beautiful embassy stands as a proud reminder of our strong relationship with Israel and of the importance of keeping a promise and standing for the truth.

When Prime Minister @AbeShinzo of Japan visited with me in the @WhiteHouse two weeks ago, I told him that I would be going to the G20 in Osaka, Japan. I look forward to being with him and other World Leaders!
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Old 14th May 2019, 11:14 AM   #1456
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I kinda hate to say it, but Trump is in a way, right. Our market is more important to China, than China is to the USA.
Not really, the EU and Chinaís own domestic market are more important to China than the US is.

Furthermore the notion that he can slow Chinaís exports with tariffs is flawed in so many ways. IMO all heís doing is raising process for US consumers and potentially these price increases will force the Fed to increase interest rates slowing the US economy. Even if he is successful in slowing US imports, once again were are back to the fact that trade deficits go hand-in-glove with investment $. Reduced trade deficits also mean reduced investment capital flowing into the US likely leaving US business starved for capital which again limits long term growth.

The best thing the US can do to reduce itís trade deficit is to stop running $1.2 trillion budget deficits that suck up all the available domestic investment capital and forcing US businesses to rely of foreign investment.
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Old 14th May 2019, 11:15 AM   #1457
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Today marks the one-year anniversary of the opening of the United States Embassy in Jerusalem, Israel. Our beautiful embassy stands as a proud reminder of our strong relationship with Israel and of the importance of keeping a promise and standing for the truth.

When Prime Minister @AbeShinzo of Japan visited with me in the @WhiteHouse two weeks ago, I told him that I would be going to the G20 in Osaka, Japan. I look forward to being with him and other World Leaders!
I suspect the feeling is not returned.
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Old 14th May 2019, 11:20 AM   #1458
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The greatest imbalance between the US and China is not in trade balance, or economy size: it's how much influence the government has over its economy, and if it can stay in power when things get unpleasant.
China has the US beat on both counts.
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Old 14th May 2019, 11:32 AM   #1459
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Not really, the EU and China’s own domestic market are more important to China than the US is.

Furthermore the notion that he can slow China’s exports with tariffs is flawed in so many ways. IMO all he’s doing is raising process for US consumers and potentially these price increases will force the Fed to increase interest rates slowing the US economy. Even if he is successful in slowing US imports, once again were are back to the fact that trade deficits go hand-in-glove with investment $. Reduced trade deficits also mean reduced investment capital flowing into the US likely leaving US business starved for capital which again limits long term growth.

The best thing the US can do to reduce it’s trade deficit is to stop running $1.2 trillion budget deficits that suck up all the available domestic investment capital and forcing US businesses to rely of foreign investment.
That might be true, but isn't what I said. China exported around $500 billion to the United States. The United States exported $180 billion to China.

Also, it doesn't seem to be true (the EU part). http://www.worldstopexports.com/chin...port-partners/

ETA: don't think what I meant was slapping tariffs on goods will be a benefit for the USA. It won't, only that it will hurt China probably more... but they can weather that storm. I wish I could find the article but I read from an economist explaining why complaints that other countries are selling you stuff too cheaply is one of the dumbest things he's ever even heard of.

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Old 14th May 2019, 12:17 PM   #1460
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Ha ha!

From: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...xury-buildings
Trump Tower, once the crown jewel in Donald Trump’s property empire, now ranks as one of the least desirable luxury properties in Manhattan. The 36-year-old building has been turned into a fortress since Trump won the presidency, ringed with concrete barriers and the two main entrances partially blocked off. It hasn’t been substantially updated in years. And Trump’s name has been a huge turnoff in liberal New York City.... Most condo sales have led to a loss after adjusting for inflation, property records show. Several sold at more than a 20% loss.
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While some corners of Trump’s business empire have thrived...others have suffered from his high unpopularity. Rounds of golf are down at his public course in New York, a clutch of once Trump-branded buildings have torn his name off their fronts, and an ambitious plan to launch a new mid-tier hotel chain across the country fizzled.
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The commercial portion of the building has been struggling for months to find tenants for more than 42,000 square feet of vacant office space, despite advertising rents well below the area’s average...


Sadly, many of the people suffering are tenants (condo owners) rather than Trump himself. Still, it probably doesn't help his ego much.
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The best thing the US can do to reduce itís trade deficit is to stop running $1.2 trillion budget deficits that suck up all the available domestic investment capital and forcing US businesses to rely of foreign investment.
Perhaps some sort of tax cut will reduce the deficit. That's always worked in the past.


it was sarcasm, jeez!
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That might be true, but isn't what I said. China exported around $500 billion to the United States. The United States exported $180 billion to China.

Also, it doesn't seem to be true (the EU part). http://www.worldstopexports.com/chin...port-partners/

ETA: don't think what I meant was slapping tariffs on goods will be a benefit for the USA. It won't, only that it will hurt China probably more... but they can weather that storm. I wish I could find the article but I read from an economist explaining why complaints that other countries are selling you stuff too cheaply is one of the dumbest things he's ever even heard of.
But again, those numbers canít change as long investment capital is flowing out of China and into the US. If they could change, itís also wrong to think that China is being hurt more.

Eg, lets re-frame it and say that The US stands to lose $500 billion in investment while China stands to lose $180 billion in investment, now who is ďhurt moreĒ? Ignoring all other trade for simplicity sake, this is more or less whatís going on. A sustained $320 billion trade deficit like this can only occur if China is investing $320 billion per year in the US.
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Perhaps some sort of tax cut will reduce the deficit. That's always worked in the past.


it was sarcasm, jeez!
Surely if tax rates could finally be reduced to zero, there would be enough revenue to pay for everything. Taxes are just a Democratic plot to create budget deficits after all.
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Surely if tax rates could finally be reduced to zero, there would be enough revenue to pay for everything. Taxes are just a Democratic plot to create budget deficits after all.
Well, I'm being deluged with all that trickle down money from the rich getting those tax cuts. I just don't know what to do with all this extra money!
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But again, those numbers can’t change as long investment capital is flowing out of China and into the US. If they could change, it’s also wrong to think that China is being hurt more.

Eg, lets re-frame it and say that The US stands to lose $500 billion in investment while China stands to lose $180 billion in investment, now who is “hurt more”? Ignoring all other trade for simplicity sake, this is more or less what’s going on. A sustained $320 billion trade deficit like this can only occur if China is investing $320 billion per year in the US.
Why do you think investment capital is flowing out of China and into the USA?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/08/vent...nvestment.html

Trade is not investment. Or do you mean a trade war will hurt US investors because China imposing tariffs on the US will hurt US investors in China. That is definitely true.

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Sadly, many of the people suffering are tenants (condo owners) rather than Trump himself. Still, it probably doesn't help his ego much.
I don’t think it hurts his ego at all.
President Trump’s ego is virtually impervious to facts: he simply disbelieves them and goes on having the highest opinion of himself and everything he touches.
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Today marks the one-year anniversary of the opening of the United States Embassy in Jerusalem, Israel. Our beautiful embassy stands as a proud reminder of our strong relationship with Israel and of the importance of keeping a promise and standing for the truth.

When Prime Minister @AbeShinzo of Japan visited with me in the @WhiteHouse two weeks ago, I told him that I would be going to the G20 in Osaka, Japan. I look forward to being with him and other World Leaders!
He sounds like a 13 year old girl looking forward to a slumber party.
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Under my Administration, we are restoring @NASA to greatness and we are going back to the Moon, then Mars. I am updating my budget to include an additional $1.6 billion so that we can return to Space in a BIG WAY!



Today, I officially updated my budget to include $18 million for our GREAT @SpecialOlympics, whose athletes inspire us and make our Nation so PROUD!
I don't think his "budget" means any more than his fantasy budgets for his businesses that went bankrupt or Hitler's fantasy armies at the end of WWII.
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Trump has little military knowledge and no strategic ability, besides being cruel and callous. He is being dragged into World War Three. What about international legality then?
Trump is merrily skipping down the road to war with that stupid smile on his face.
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Controversial is an interesting euphemism for xenophobic, fascist, anti-Semite.
Just like Trump except Trump kisses up to Netanyahu and rich Jews who pay for US gov. favors donate to his campaign.
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Trump is merrily skipping down the road to war with that stupid smile on his face.
...while being led by the nose by John Bolton.

It hasn't escaped everyone's attention - good piece here: https://www.truthdig.com/articles/th...war-with-iran/

Trump will have the best wars. Much better than any president in history.
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Trump has little military knowledge and no strategic ability, besides being cruel and callous. He is being dragged into World War Three. What about international legality then?
He is not being dragged, he is jumping in .
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Well, it might be more objective to say that “Tariffs are an incentive to encourage importers to buy from domestic sources instead”.

As such, carefully crafted tariffs can be rationally supported. I think it was in the mid-1970’s when Harley Davidson was struggling mightily against Japanese imports, and a tariff was imposed on imported motorcycles 750cc and over. Though Harley is once again struggling, albeit for different reasons, those tariffs arguably did buy the company about 40 years of life. Which most would see as a good thing.

But Republicans have always favored free trade. Trump is either a moron or a liar or both when he says money from China is pouring into US coffers. Huge tariffs back and forth like these are not targeted and will cause pain all around.

And how did we get to the point where the power to impose tariffs fall on just one man? It seems more logical that congress have that power.
It's another power that the Congress allowed to pass to the White House because they thought they would be getting rid of a political hot potato.
And there are many,many others. Congress. over the past century had ceded power to the White House for no other reason then it got them off the hook and pass the buck when it came to making a politically difficult decision.
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2020 is going to be nuts, Chinese hacking to get the Dem elected, Russian hacking to get Trump re-elected However, we go into a recession and nothing will get Trump elected other than actual vote machine hacking in Ohio/Michigan etc, or widespread voter suppression by the swing states.
At which point I predict we will go into a defacto Second Civil War.
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He is not being dragged, he is jumping in .
I expect that Trump will follow his SOP and bring us to the bring of war and then call it off and declare himself to be the greatest peacemaker in the history of the world.
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2020 is going to be nuts,
Especially if Trump believes that the only way he can avoid criminal charges is to remain president.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
At which point I predict we will go into a defacto [proxy] Second Civil War.
FTFY

How ironic it would be if Russia and China supported opposite sides in a US civil war.
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He sounds like a 13 year old girl looking forward to a slumber party.
You owe an apology to every 13 year old girl in the world.
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As expected, CHina struck back with a 25% tariff on many American goods.
What Trump does not get is that CHina is just too big for him to push around or intimidate.
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