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Old 14th May 2019, 01:40 PM   #2721
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Joe Biden is delusional and it's sad so many in the democratic party support him.

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https://www.newsweek.com/biden-repub...sensus-trump-1
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Old 14th May 2019, 03:24 PM   #2722
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Based on what he's said about young adults and the financial/economic problems we face that people of his time didn't and don't, the only thing he'll get Republicans to work together with him on is continuing to hit us even harder.
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Old 14th May 2019, 04:23 PM   #2723
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Originally Posted by The_Animus View Post
Joe Biden is delusional and it's sad so many in the democratic party support him.
New frontrunner for dumbest comment of the campaign and will be very hard to beat.

Spectacularly deluded.

More importantly, when the Bernie Bros realise their man isn't going to win, do they stay loyal and let Biden walk to the nomination, or switch to a younger progressive to help with "Anyone but Joe Biden"?
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Old 14th May 2019, 04:29 PM   #2724
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I see the lefties here are angry that it turns out the centralist in the Democratic Party are not as powerless as they thought.......
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Old 14th May 2019, 05:38 PM   #2725
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I see the lefties here are angry that it turns out the centralist in the Democratic Party are not as powerless as they thought.......
No we're angry because he's delusional and a terrible candidate but people like you support him anyway and are happy it makes the lefties angry.

You're the democratic equivalent of a Trump supporter.

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Old 14th May 2019, 05:40 PM   #2726
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Originally Posted by The_Animus View Post
No we're angry because he's delusional and a terrible candidate but people like you support him anyway and are happy it pisses off the lefties whom you see as your enemy.

You're the democratic equivalent of a Trump supporter.
Nobody is the Democratic equivalent of a Trump supporter. You're thinking of Bill Clinton supporters.
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Old 14th May 2019, 05:44 PM   #2727
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I'm not a Bernie Bro and I also hope we get a better candidate than Biden. And I'm not convinced he can beat Trump.

We need one of the three top female candidates, all three have proven track records standing up to Trump. I favor Harris even though she has a few issues.

Biden has sadly gone the "I've already won" route and he's unimpressive.
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Old 14th May 2019, 05:50 PM   #2728
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I'm not a Bernie Bro and I also hope we get a better candidate than Biden. And I'm not convinced he can beat Trump.

We need one of the three top female candidates, all three have proven track records standing up to Trump. I favor Harris even though she has a few issues.

Biden has sadly gone the "I've already won" route and he's unimpressive.
Tell me more about Harris's "proven track record standing up to Trump".
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Old 14th May 2019, 07:06 PM   #2729
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I favor Harris even though she has a few issues.
The more I see of Elizabeth Warren, the more she stands out from the field as someone who's thinking the right thoughts and doing the right things.

Not appearing on Fox, saying she's refusing to help them make money, is an excellent statement, and at odds with even Bernie.

It's a shame she has no chance, because she looks the perfect mix of liberal and socialist America could do with a dose of.
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Old 14th May 2019, 07:27 PM   #2730
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The more I see of Elizabeth Warren, the more she stands out from the field as someone who's thinking the right thoughts and doing the right things.

Not appearing on Fox, saying she's refusing to help them make money, is an excellent statement, and at odds with even Bernie.

It's a shame she has no chance, because she looks the perfect mix of liberal and socialist America could do with a dose of.
I like Warren a lot. But I think that is a big mistake. You take the opportunity to reach EVERY VOTER.
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Old 14th May 2019, 07:44 PM   #2731
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I like Warren a lot. But I think that is a big mistake. You take the opportunity to reach EVERY VOTER.
Do you also consider it a big mistake that multiple candidates aren't accepting corporate PAC money?
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Old 14th May 2019, 08:29 PM   #2732
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Do you also consider it a big mistake that multiple candidates aren't accepting corporate PAC money?
I do.

Instead of refusing support, candidates opposed to PACs should make a formal agreement that if elected, they would work to undo Citizens United.
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Old 15th May 2019, 02:22 AM   #2733
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Originally Posted by The_Animus View Post
Joe Biden is delusional and it's sad so many in the democratic party support him.



https://www.newsweek.com/biden-repub...sensus-trump-1
And slightly condescending for good measure. Good ol' uncle Biden.
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Old 15th May 2019, 03:40 AM   #2734
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While on the topic of Biden... I quite don't want him to be the candidate. With that said, it looks like the Biden's Ukraine issue... isn't, according to a Ukrainian politician.

Ukrainian prosecutor manufactured Biden conspiracy to 'curry favor with Trump and Giuliani'

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In 2016, then-Vice President Joe Biden went to Ukraine and spoke out against corruption, including calling for the resignation of a particularly notorious prosecutor. According to Giuliani, the reason Biden made this trip was to protect his son Hunter, who was on the board of holding company Burisma, owned by wealthy Ukrainian Mykola Zlochevsky. In the Rudy version, Biden wanted the prosecutor out because he was threatening Zlochevsky, and Zlochevsky was in turn threatening Hunter Biden’s fat board member salary. In reality, the prosecutor was not going after either Zlochevsky or Burisma. In fact, it was the prosecutor’s failure to cooperate with a U.K. case against Zlochevsky that caused Biden to demand his resignation. In other words, Giuliani isn’t just wrong; he has the story completely backwards.
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Old 15th May 2019, 04:46 AM   #2736
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I do.

Instead of refusing support, candidates opposed to PACs should make a formal agreement that if elected, they would work to undo Citizens United.
The Citizens United decision wasnít about PACs.
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The Citizens United decision wasnít about PACs.
no, it was about Super-PACs and money in politics in general.

We won't get rid of PACs, but Citizens United went way too far.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
no, it was about Super-PACs and money in politics in general.

We won't get rid of PACs, but Citizens United went way too far.
I'm not sure recognizing that citizens are allowed to publish political opinions counts as going "way too far".
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Old 15th May 2019, 08:04 AM   #2739
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Tulsi Gabbard on the Joe Rogan show:

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Wonder if Rogan considers Gabbard one of those "crazy progressives" he says will result in Donald Trump being re-elected.
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Old 15th May 2019, 08:09 AM   #2740
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I'm not sure recognizing that citizens are allowed to publish political opinions counts as going "way too far".
Citizens United allows corporations to spend unlimited amounts spreading lies and misinformation at no risk to their public reputation.

It is one of the primary reasons why our notion is so politically polarized. Mudslinging no longer has a downside. Nobody can throw it back at you because your identity is hidden from the public.
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Wonder if Rogan considers Gabbard one of those "crazy progressives" he says will result in Donald Trump being re-elected.

He has endorsed her and called her "his girl" way before she came on his show (for the second time) now.

Obviously she is the only one in the current set with the stones to beat Trump. If only the hoodwinked morons on the US "left" would be able to recognize an actual adult and stop cheering for fossils like creepy uncle Joe just because that's what the machine tells them to do. Trump would out-uncle him mercilessly as he already showed with that marvelous tweet welcoming him back.

As he would do with automatons like these Warren and Harris characters. And with Bernie who has already proven to not have what it takes to become POTUS.
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Old 15th May 2019, 09:42 AM   #2742
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Citizens United allows corporations to spend unlimited amounts spreading lies and misinformation at no risk to their public reputation.

It is one of the primary reasons why our notion is so politically polarized. Mudslinging no longer has a downside. Nobody can throw it back at you because your identity is hidden from the public.
It may be worth noting, again, that the Citizens United decision was based on the premise of transparency about how the money was flowing. Obviously, that hasn't happened.
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It may be worth noting, again, that the Citizens United decision was based on the premise of transparency about how the money was flowing. Obviously, that hasn't happened.
Dark money campaigns helped a lot of current office holders by smearing their opponent in the primary or general election. A vote for transparency would make them a target of the feces flingers when they run for re-election.
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I listened to some of this yesterday.

I didn't know anything about her going in but I like what she had to say regarding foreign policy. It was also refreshing to hear a normal conversation rather than rattling off the standard campaign answers and talking points like in most candidates interviews.

Not yet in my top 3, but I still need to learn more about some of her other policy positions so that could change

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And with Bernie who has already proven to not have what it takes to become POTUS.

To make that more explicit: At this point I think the only honorable reason for him to be in this race is that he plans to resign at the moment of maximum publicity and endorse Tulsi. But I have a hard time believing that he is that kind of strategical thinker, so I view his candidacy as less than helpful. Por ahora.
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I listened to some of this yesterday.

I didn't know anything about her going in but I like what she had to say regarding foreign policy. It was also refreshing to hear a normal conversation rather than rattling off the standard campaign answers and talking points like in most candidates interviews.

Not yet in my top 3, but I still need to learn more about some of her other policy positions so that could change

She's more or less on the "progressive" side of things but her one stand-out topic is the abandoning of Empire, being a (still active) soldier who served two terms in Iraq and a close observer of foreign policy decision making in congress.

If you count Dubya's lame "isolationist" promises he had a good excuse to abandon in September 2001, the USA people have voted for that topic since at least 2000, and have always been betrayed, including most blatantly by the hopey-changey guy. While it is the most important topic of all, and the only one people like me or anybody else on this planet, including Putin, have a legitimate reason to "meddle" in because of its worldwide disastrous effects.
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I'm not a Bernie Bro and I also hope we get a better candidate than Biden. And I'm not convinced he can beat Trump.

We need one of the three top female candidates, all three have proven track records standing up to Trump. I favor Harris even though she has a few issues.

Biden has sadly gone the "I've already won" route and he's unimpressive.
You're a bit biased though, you were always going to support one of the females.


To beat the old white guy, you need another old white guy, probably Biden. I like Bernie but he has too much socialist baggage to win. Biden has baggage too, of course, but if you have to choose between hair sniffing and pussy grabbing, hair sniffing wins.
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Do you also consider it a big mistake that multiple candidates aren't accepting corporate PAC money?
Maybe. I appreciate their principles on one hand and also wonder if they're committing political suicide.
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We'll get Biden, the Hillary-with-penis centrist. Who for VP? In this campaign and presidency, the VP may have a bit more meaning.
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Bill DeBlasio makes it 22, 24 if you count Yang and Williamson, whom I have given their own category.

In Or At Least Exploring (By Current or Highest Office Held):

Vice Presidents:
Joe Biden

Governors:
Steve Bullock
Jay Inslee
John Hickenlooper

Senators:
Michael Bennett
Corey Booker
Kirsten Gillibrand
Mike Gravel
Kamala Harris
Amy Klobuchar
Bernie Sanders
Elizabeth Warren

US Representatives:
John Delaney
Tulsi Gabbard
Seth Moulton
Beto O'Rourke
Tim Ryan
Eric Swallwell

Cabinet Members:
Julian Castro

Mayors:
Pete Buttegieg
Bill de Blasio
Wayne Messam

Others likely to qualify for debates:
Andrew Yang
Marianne Williamson
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And slightly condescending for good measure. Good ol' uncle Biden.
Uncle Touchy strikes again.
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You're a bit biased though, you were always going to support one of the females.


To beat the old white guy, you need another old white guy, probably Biden. I like Bernie but he has too much socialist baggage to win. Biden has baggage too, of course, but if you have to choose between hair sniffing and pussy grabbing, hair sniffing wins.
I am biased.

I think to beat the old white guy you need something new and fresh. Biden is old and tired and Trump will wipe the floor with him, sadly.
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Trump was explicitly elected because he would "shake things up".

I do think that more women at the top would do that far better, and without starting trade and kinetic wars.
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Such a beautiful and intelligent woman. She occupies this strange place where GloboHomo hates her and the "not racist" white boomers choose fellow white man and stroke victim Joe Biden over her.
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She's more or less on the "progressive" side of things but her one stand-out topic is the abandoning of Empire, being a (still active) soldier who served two terms in Iraq and a close observer of foreign policy decision making in congress.

If you count Dubya's lame "isolationist" promises he had a good excuse to abandon in September 2001, the USA people have voted for that topic since at least 2000, and have always been betrayed, including most blatantly by the hopey-changey guy. While it is the most important topic of all, and the only one people like me or anybody else on this planet, including Putin, have a legitimate reason to "meddle" in because of its worldwide disastrous effects.
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He has endorsed her and called her "his girl" way before she came on his show (for the second time) now.

Obviously she is the only one in the current set with the stones to beat Trump. If only the hoodwinked morons on the US "left" would be able to recognize an actual adult and stop cheering for fossils like creepy uncle Joe just because that's what the machine tells them to do. Trump would out-uncle him mercilessly as he already showed with that marvelous tweet welcoming him back.

As he would do with automatons like these Warren and Harris characters. And with Bernie who has already proven to not have what it takes to become POTUS.
You're about the only non-American on this board I've seen that has at least a decent understanding of US politics. All the others are The Daily Beast parrots.
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The more I see of Elizabeth Warren, the more she stands out from the field as someone who's thinking the right thoughts and doing the right things.
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It's a shame she has no chance, because she looks the perfect mix of liberal and socialist America could do with a dose of.
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4 so that people do not have to go into payday lenders,
If the concept killed payday lenders, that alone would justify its implementation.
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Tulsi Gabbard on the Joe Rogan show:

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I AGREE
You expect me to watch 2.5 hours of some talk show. Boil it down to something manageable or just forget it.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I'm not sure recognizing that citizens are allowed to publish political opinions anonymously counts as going "way too far".
You left something out that is the whole crux of the matter.
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Originally Posted by Baylor View Post
Such a beautiful and intelligent woman. She occupies this strange place where GloboHomo hates her and the "not racist" white boomers choose fellow white man and stroke victim Joe Biden over her.
What's that?
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