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Old 10th July 2019, 11:23 PM   #1
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Ariel slammed for being a mermaid while black

So apparently Disney is casting a black woman as Ariel in the upcoming live action remake of The Little Mermaid. This has racists triggered because apparently it's fairytale canon that she's Caucasian or something. Discuss.
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Old 10th July 2019, 11:27 PM   #2
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So apparently Disney is casting a black woman as Ariel in the upcoming live action remake of The Little Mermaid. This has racists triggered because apparently it's fairytale canon that she's Caucasian or something. Discuss.
Actually posting a link to an example of what you are claiming people are doing is usually the done thing in these types of situations......
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Old 10th July 2019, 11:33 PM   #3
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Merpeople cast in movies have overwhelmingly been of the kind with human upper- fish lower-body half.
That's pretty racist, given the large percentage of Merpeople with fish heads and human legs.
Disney should reflect the actual population, not just some outdated idealization.
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Old 10th July 2019, 11:37 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Merpeople cast in movies have overwhelmingly been of the kind with human upper- fish lower-body half.
That's pretty racist, given the large percentage of Merpeople with fish heads and human legs.
Disney should reflect the actual population, not just some outdated idealization.
Makes you wonder how many Merpeople have lost out on the role because non actual merpeople have been given them.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Actually posting a link to an example of what you are claiming people are doing is usually the done thing in these types of situations......
Seriously, it's all over the internet. It's not hard to find examples.
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This smacks of tokenism.
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I see two hash tags reported and when I browse #notmyariel it seems to be pretty much mostly loads of people slagging some other people that I can't see hardly any posts of saying it's bad
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Old 11th July 2019, 12:12 AM   #8
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This seems to match my impression

Never seen this site before though, so forgive me if I am agreeing with some weird far right thing

Edit: Help if I put link in

https://reason.com/2019/07/09/ariel-...-halle-bailey/
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Old 11th July 2019, 12:24 AM   #9
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She isn't Caucasian, but Western European.

I see pandering and I don't like it. Sure the naysayers can make this about how grown men are making too big a deal of an early 90s cartoon, but at its root it's the tokenism that bothers me.

There was a black princess introduced in 2008 or so, and they could just as easily introduce a story of a black mermaid, perhaps from another ocean.
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Old 11th July 2019, 12:30 AM   #10
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Wouldn't surprise me if Disney created the fake outrage for publicity and film promotion
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Why are isn’t she silver like any other fish?
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Been busy with wedding preparations.here ya go.
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I’m offended that Disney keeps making live action remakes instead of developing good new material.
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I’m offended that Disney keeps making live action remakes instead of developing good new material.


They dropped the most important character in the Aladdin remake.
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^^I'm with Ziggurat, of course. We live in the age of lazy sequels and remakes. It's getting boring.
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Saw it - in the form of random people on Twitter. The real amusing part is when people tried to "prove scientifically" that Ariel couldn't be black.

The idea was that since sunlight can'g get through to the bottom of the ocean, there'd be no need for mermaids to develop any melanin. A great example of completely misunderstanding evolution, and trying to bash it into a story of a freaking mermaid whose best friend is a singing lobster with an accent.
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Why can't Ariel be a mythological creature played by a black actress? Why is that more pandering than if she was played by a white actress?
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Old 11th July 2019, 01:29 AM   #18
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Originally Posted by bluesjnr View Post
This smacks of tokenism.
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She isn't Caucasian, but Western European.

I see pandering and I don't like it. Sure the naysayers can make this about how grown men are making too big a deal of an early 90s cartoon, but at its root it's the tokenism that bothers me.

There was a black princess introduced in 2008 or so, and they could just as easily introduce a story of a black mermaid, perhaps from another ocean.
If she's the main protagonist, how exactly is this tokenism?

Tokenism would be like, another minor character is black.
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I have no problem with the skin colour, but isn’t 52-year-old Halle Berry a little long in the tooth to be playing 16-year-old Ariel?

(15 in the original, 16 in the Disney cartoon version.)
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She's 16 in fish years.
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She's also not Halle Berry
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She's also not Halle Berry
That would explain so much. That and the fact I’ve yet to ingest caffeine this morning.

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Saw it - in the form of random people on Twitter. The real amusing part is when people tried to "prove scientifically" that Ariel couldn't be black.

The idea was that since sunlight can'g get through to the bottom of the ocean, there'd be no need for mermaids to develop any melanin. A great example of completely misunderstanding evolution, and trying to bash it into a story of a freaking mermaid whose best friend is a singing lobster with an accent.
Of course this the reason why moray eels are white...... oh, hang on!
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There are a few wrinkles. It is a Danish story, but there are black Danish people. The movie is clearly not set in Danish waters (a Jamaican crab and the sea creatures there).

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Just another example of a US made movie playing it loose with the historical facts.
Why are people surprised? Happens all time after time. Look at 'Robert the Bruce'.
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This is a big old joke, isn't it? There can't be any rel people in the world that worry about what colour a half woman, half fish, fictional creature is?


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Just another example of a US made movie playing it loose with the historical facts.
I mean, Hallie Bailey doesn't even have a giant fish tail for the lower half of her body!

In any case it was mostly a lesser version of the same people that howled over "female Ghostbusters", complete with claims that Disney had ruined their childhood and other such nonsense. From what I saw (yes, anecdotes), they were overwhelmed both by people just rubbing their faces in it, and people pointing out that Disney's version was a massive deviation from the original story anyway.
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Disney already outed themselves as race traitors when they had Emma Watson, a brit, play Belle in the Beauty in the Beast cashgrab remake. ERASING FRENCH CULTURE!!!1!

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Disney is probably grateful for this "controversy", because nothing about these uninspired live-action remakes of Disney classics is at all interesting.
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In any case it was mostly a lesser version of the same people that howled over "female Ghostbusters", [...]
Now there's a thought; what if they made the character of "The Little Mermaid" male? Never mind racism and sexism, there'd be a storm of protest from lexicographers alone*.

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I mean, Hallie Bailey doesn't even have a giant fish tail for the lower half of her body!

That's a bang on point. The original had a giant fish tail. Any actress considered for the part must likewise have a giant fish tail. And be able to breathe underwater. And be 2D.
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Saw it - in the form of random people on Twitter. The real amusing part is when people tried to "prove scientifically" that Ariel couldn't be black.

The idea was that since sunlight can'g get through to the bottom of the ocean, there'd be no need for mermaids to develop any melanin. A great example of completely misunderstanding evolution, and trying to bash it into a story of a freaking mermaid whose best friend is a singing lobster with an accent.
I want her to be black and white like a killer whale! Violent Sea Panda FTW!

Though seriously Lizzo would make a far better Ursala than Melissa McCarthy.
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So I have a question.

Has anyone met an actual human being in the actual real world who has an issue with this? Or just the standard peanut gallery of online comments, random Twitter accounts that openly admit they are trolling, and television talking heads reporting on a "controversy" that doesn't exist to stir their tribes up?
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I wonder if she will get red hair to go along with her tail and seashells? That would be an interesting combo.

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
So I have a question.

Has anyone met an actual human being in the actual real world who has an issue with this? Or just the standard peanut gallery of online comments, random Twitter accounts that openly admit they are trolling, and television talking heads reporting on a "controversy" that doesn't exist to stir their tribes up?
This is a nonissue for anyone but the insane twitter crowd. But it only takes one.

This is more red meat for the "cultural genocide" crowd. You know, the guys that go and shoot up a church or mall because white culture is being erased by brown people.
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So apparently Disney is casting a black woman as Ariel in the upcoming live action remake of The Little Mermaid. This has racists triggered because apparently it's fairytale canon that she's Caucasian or something. Discuss.
Yeah I saw that. I don't think skin colour is particularily important to this specific character to get bent out of shape over the casting.
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Why can't Ariel be a mythological creature played by a black actress? Why is that more pandering than if she was played by a white actress?
People complained about Idris Elba's casting as Heimdall in 2011's Thor but then he was the coolest character in the movie. People complain. Ignore them.
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People complained about Idris Elba's casting as Heimdall in 2011's Thor but then he was the coolest character in the movie. People complain. Ignore them.
Exactly. When are the media going to learn that "people complain on Twitter" is not a story?
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So I have a question.

Has anyone met an actual human being in the actual real world who has an issue with this? Or just the standard peanut gallery of online comments, random Twitter accounts that openly admit they are trolling, and television talking heads reporting on a "controversy" that doesn't exist to stir their tribes up?
My nephew who doesn't think he is racist and thinks black people have nothing to complain about because it has been 150 years since slavery.
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Exactly. When are the media going to learn that "people complain on Twitter" is not a story?
I don't know. I've been saying for a while now that the media should essentially ignore the internet entirely. It just doesn't represent meatspace all that well.
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