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Old 22nd July 2019, 12:40 AM   #281
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“There’d be girls that look like they could be in high school,” the employee recalls. “They looked very young. They were always wearing college sweatshirts. It seemed like camouflage, that’s the best way to put it.” Epstein would be dressed in a tracksuit, but the girls carried shopping bags from designer labels: Gucci, Dior.
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“The fact that young girls were getting out of his helicopter and getting into his plane, it was like he was flaunting it,” the employee says. “But it was said that he always tipped really well, so everyone overlooked it.”
In fact, it appears that local authorities did nothing to investigate Epstein’s repeated trips with young girls—let alone intervene—despite the fact that he was listed on the island’s registry of sex offenders.
“The girls were just so young”: The Horrors of Jeffrey Epstein's Private Island (Vanity Fair, July 20, 2019)

'I'm sorry, I can't meet with you next Thursday. I have to take the girls shopping.'


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Old 24th July 2019, 09:01 PM   #282
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Epstein might have tried to commit suicide:

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...513174311.html

Regardless of whether this was a real attempt to end his life or a scheme to get bail, the Prison failed miserably to prevent something like this.
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Old 24th July 2019, 09:03 PM   #283
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I think we all agree that Trump tired to have Epstein killed to prevent him from spilling the beans on their rape parties.

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Yeah, this is the "jail sentence" that BrooklynBaby is so proud of.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Epstein might have tried to commit suicide:
[Willie Wonka voice]Don't. Stop.[/Willie Wonka voice]
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Old 25th July 2019, 12:09 AM   #286
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Regardless of whether this was a real attempt to end his life or a scheme to get bail, the Prison failed miserably to prevent something like this.
Not sure that follows; he's not dead after all.
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Old 25th July 2019, 03:12 AM   #287
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[Willie Wonka voice]Don't. Stop.[/Willie Wonka voice]

Do you want him to be unable to witness against his pedophile friends?!
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Old 25th July 2019, 03:27 AM   #288
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Do you want him to be unable to witness against his pedophile friends?!
I guess for some here...the biggest crimes would be that 1) He was caught; and 2) He might squeal.
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Old 25th July 2019, 04:20 AM   #289
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Do you want him to be unable to witness against his pedophile friends?!
Maybe I'm too pessimistic, but I don't think he will regardless.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Maybe I'm too pessimistic, but I don't think he will regardless.
Doubt there is much incentive for him to squeal. With all the public pressure concerning the leniency of his previous plea agreement, I doubt anyone is willing to offer him a plea agreement that still doesn't result him spending decades in prison. He's 66 years old, so that could easily be a life sentence.

Odds are good any guilty plea or guilty verdict results with him spending the rest of life behind bars. Only way out is for him to beat the charge.
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Okay let's apply Occam's Razor here.

- A cabal of the Illuminati Free Mason NWO (both the wrestling faction and the secret world government) Deep State agents are out to get Epstein to silence him on their secret world wide child rape ring and were able to get into the cell of... the most important informant in modern history... but only mildly scratched his neck.

- Epstein did to himself to attention/sympathy.
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Old 25th July 2019, 06:49 AM   #292
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Okay let's apply Occam's Razor here.

- A cabal of the Illuminati Free Mason NWO (both the wrestling faction and the secret world government) Deep State agents are out to get Epstein to silence him on their secret world wide child rape ring and were able to get into the cell of... the most important information in modern history... but only mildly scratched his neck.

- Epstein did to himself to attention/sympathy.
Trump personally tried to strangle him but was unable to do the job because of his tiny fingers.
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And besides why wait until he's back in prison? Why didn't he just conveniently "slip in the shower and hit his head" on some busy news day so it got buried on page 8 at some point between his plea deal years ago and his second arrest? Why wait until he's back in the news?
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I don't think the Great Zaganza was serious...
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I don't think the Great Zaganza was serious...
What tipped you off? The CT tags?
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I don't think the Great Zaganza was serious...
But plenty of people are thinking that a "hit" on Epstein is inevitable and/or this was an attempt at one.
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Old 25th July 2019, 07:27 AM   #297
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I might be persuaded of a conspiracy if the videos and photos that were seized at his arrest were reported missing.
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Old 25th July 2019, 07:29 AM   #298
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
But plenty of people are thinking that a "hit" on Epstein is inevitable and/or this was an attempt at one.
I assume that if he actually has incriminating evidence on powerful persons he'd have one of those arrangements where "if I am found dead by any means the contents of my hidden safeth deposit box will be sent to the authorities and news agencies by my associates unknown to you". No intelligent blackmailer would omit such a safeguard against murder.
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I assume that if he actually has incriminating evidence on powerful persons he'd have one of those arrangements where "if I am found dead by any means the contents of my hidden safeth deposit box will be sent to the authorities and news agencies by my associates unknown to you". No intelligent blackmailer would omit such a safeguard against murder.
I don't quite buy the "Epstein is an operative with a black book of people he blackmails" story; if Trump, as has been reported, did cross him and possibly help get him arrested, why didn't he retaliate against Trump?
Not doing so would only make sense if Trump was literally protected by the Russian Mob.
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You can pay an underage girl as much money as you want for sex - it's still not prostitution.
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Paying somebody to have sex is the definition of prostitution (Wikipedia). Having sex with an underage girl is statutory rape (Wikipedia), but many other terms are used:

GZ: Did you mean that the under age girl won't be considered to be a prostitute? That's generally true, but the people offering the child and the person paying for the sex will be charged with engaging in prostitution.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I don't quite buy the "Epstein is an operative with a black book of people he blackmails" story; if Trump, as has been reported, did cross him and possibly help get him arrested, why didn't he retaliate against Trump?
Not doing so would only make sense if Trump was literally protected by the Russian Mob.
I'm no fan of Trump, but there are far worse (and more capable) people than he, and worse mobs than the Russians.

Yeah, I doubt Epstein was doing any actual blackmail. He doesn't seem to have needed to in that he was (until now) able to get away with his activities, and had plenty of money.
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GZ: Did you mean that the under age girl won't be considered to be a prostitute? That's generally true, but the people offering the child and the person paying for the sex will be charged with engaging in prostitution.
yeah, that's my point.
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I'm no fan of Trump, but there are far worse (and more capable) people than he, and worse mobs than the Russians.

Yeah, I doubt Epstein was doing any actual blackmail. He doesn't seem to have needed to in that he was (until now) able to get away with his activities, and had plenty of money.
I suspect that that's true, but I would not be surprised if he has material he could use if the need arises. If he's smart, he's saved up for a rainy day.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I don't quite buy the "Epstein is an operative with a black book of people he blackmails" story; if Trump, as has been reported, did cross him and possibly help get him arrested, why didn't he retaliate against Trump?
Not doing so would only make sense if Trump was literally protected by the Russian Mob.
Trump being protected by the mob is one possibility. (Given what we know about his financial activities, it certainly can't be discounted.)

Another possibility is Epstein realized Trump has even more information that he COULD use against him should things escalate, and the prison sentence was relatively light given the problems he could be facing.
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Another possibility is Epstein realized Trump has even more information that he COULD use against him should things escalate, and the prison sentence was relatively light given the problems he could be facing.
I reject that scenario: Trump can't shut up to safe his life. If he had some juicy gossip, he would spill it just to impress the person he is currently talking to.
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Allegedly, Epstein told the jailors that he was beat up by someone calling him a pedo. Which is something that is popularly known to happen from time to time in jails.
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Trump being protected by the mob is one possibility. (Given what we know about his financial activities, it certainly can't be discounted.)
Yes it can; Trump doesn't have the money enough to pay or repay the mob anything, and just like every single bank he asked for a loan from except Deutsche, the mob would've been aware of that fact if he ever asked and told him to get bent.
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But plenty of people are thinking that a "hit" on Epstein is inevitable and/or this was an attempt at one.
Epstein was found injured, post-attack. If it had been a "hit", he would've been found dead, not simply roughed up. His injuries didn't even require a trip to the hospital at last report.
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Epstein was found injured, post-attack. If it had been a "hit", he would've been found dead, not simply roughed up. His injuries didn't even require a trip to the hospital at last report.
True.

But a warning wouldn't necessarily require serious injury. Not that I think it was, self-harm seems more likely, but that doesn't shut the door on conspiracy theories.
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What tipped you off? The CT tags?
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No time to look this up for myself right now, but is Epstein in a facility where the other inmates would like not care about a(nother) murder charge, or is he in facility where the other inmates might balk at a murder?
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Those suspected or convicted of sexual offenses against children tend to have a lot of animosity directed against them in prison.
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- Epstein did to himself to attention/sympathy.
Or get a more comfortable infirmary bed.
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New accusations:
Early Jeffrey Epstein Accuser Offers Chilling Details from Alleged 1997 Attack (Rolling Stone, July 26, 2019)
Prosecutors in Jeffrey Epstein sex traffic case investigating ‘uncharged individuals’: Court filing (CNBC, July 26, 2019)
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The original "sweetheart deal" negotiated by Acosta was far more problematic, and was weighted a lot more heavily in favour of Epstein and against his victims than first thought.

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Old 28th July 2019, 07:11 AM   #316
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I didn't think this case could get any more disgusting.
It makes me doubt the argument against some conspiracy theories that the number of people involved would make it impossible to keep it a secret. I wonder how many of the government officials involved in this case were paid off, promised promotions, blackmailed with threats of demotions etc.
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Old 28th July 2019, 07:29 AM   #317
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Those suspected or convicted of sexual offenses against children tend to have a lot of animosity directed against them in prison.
Not if everyone else in your wing in the prison is also convicted of the same crime
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Old 28th July 2019, 08:53 AM   #318
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
Not if everyone else in your wing in the prison is also convicted of the same crime
I defer to your greater knowledge of the subject.
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Old 28th July 2019, 09:34 AM   #319
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
Not if everyone else in your wing in the prison is also convicted of the same crime

You're assuming little or no hypocrisy or projection on the part of the other inmates. I think that's a highly questionable assumption.
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Old 28th July 2019, 12:05 PM   #320
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
Not if everyone else in your wing in the prison is also convicted of the same crime
Epstein is not in prison, though; he's in jail, awaiting trial. It IS more than a semantic distinction; nobody in "his wing" is convicted of anything yet, let alone child molestation. At most they would be accused of, like Epstein. But as we know, there aren't separate facilities in New York for remanding those accused of sex crimes, and he's in a place where accused people are being held before trial irrespective of whatever they're charged with.
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