The Trump Presidency: Part 17

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Captain_Swoop said:
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Such a disgrace that the Do Nothing Democrats are doing just as their name suggests, Doing Nothing! USMCA anyone?

#StopTheCoup

There has never been a greater fraud on Congress. Shifty Schiff is Corrupt. Go Andy!

Rep Andy Biggs
@RepAndyBiggsAZ
173 Members of Congress now cosponsor my motion to condemn and censure Adam Schiff.
A vote on my motion is expected for Monday night.
We must hold Mr. Schiff accountable for misleading the American people.
https://breitbart.com/politics/2019...condemn-adam-schiff-as-floor-vote-approaches/
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Someone can't do the math. 40% is the opposite of the number they need. This is like vote after vote to repeal the ACA when they knew they couldn't override a veto. I guess it makes them feel better or something.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Someone can't do the math. 40% is the opposite of the number they need. This is like vote after vote to repeal the ACA when they knew they couldn't override a veto. I guess it makes them feel better or something.
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It's probably safe to assume that they're relying on their supporters not knowing how many members of Congress there are. 143 sounds like a big number on its own.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Someone can't do the math. 40% is the opposite of the number they need. This is like vote after vote to repeal the ACA when they knew they couldn't override a veto. I guess it makes them feel better or something.
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Armitage72 said:
It's probably safe to assume that they're relying on their supporters not knowing how many members of Congress there are. 143 sounds like a big number on its own.
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It's not even 40%. Hell, its not even 35%. It's a whopping 32.8%.
 
Armitage72 said:
It's probably safe to assume that they're relying on their supporters not knowing how many members of Congress there are. 143 sounds like a big number on its own.
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It's probably safe to assume that some of his supporters don't know what Congress is.
 
The latest is the Trump administration's effort to claim Ukraine didn't even know there was an aid package that Trump was supposedly "withholding." That's what U.S. special representative to Ukraine Kurt Volker told Adam Schiff in a closed-door session.
According to Washington Examiner...[Volker] indicated that Ukraine wasn’t even aware of the large funding package at the time [the July 25th phone call from Trump] — a revelation that Schiff was reportedly unhappy about. Link
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Expect to hear this repeated by Trump supporters. They didn't even know! But one problem with it is, the Pentagon announced part of the grant publicly in a press release on June 18th. Even the Chinese knew about it. China's state news agency, Xinhua, reported it in a story datelined June 18th.
WASHINGTON, June 18 (Xinhua) -- The United States will provide 250 million U.S. dollars to Ukraine in an effort to increase the defense capability of the Eastern European country, the U.S. Department of Defense announced Tuesday. "The Department of Defense announced today plans to provide $250 million to Ukraine in security cooperation funds for additional training, equipment, and advisory efforts to build the capacity of Ukraine's armed forces," Pentagon said in a statement. Link to Xinhua story
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With this Trump crew in Washington, it gets so deep you need a backhoe to dig yourself out. :(
 
newyorkguy said:
The latest is the Trump administration's effort to claim Ukraine didn't even know there was an aid package that Trump was supposedly "withholding." That's what U.S. special representative to Ukraine Kurt Volker told Adam Schiff in a closed-door session.


Expect to hear this repeated by Trump supporters. They didn't even know! But one problem with it is, the Pentagon announced part of the grant publicly in a press release on June 18th. Even the Chinese knew about it. China's state news agency, Xinhua, reported it in a story datelined June 18th.


With this Trump crew in Washington, it gets so deep you need a backhoe to dig yourself out. :(
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That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Of course the Ukraine knew. I bet they were closely following the bill as it worked its way through the US Congress. They would be derelict in their jobs if they weren't.
 
acbytesla said:
That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Of course the Ukraine knew. I bet they were closely following the bill as it worked its way through the US Congress. They would be derelict in their jobs if they weren't.
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I guess if you spend too much time with the Trump administration, you forget the rest of the world's governments aren't as dysfunctional and incompetent as the current US president?
 
Bob001 said:
Trump literally thinks he is above and beyond the laws and common traditions. You've heard him say "Article II" allows him to do whatever he wants. And he knows the Repub Senate won't remove him.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-insists-constitution-allows-do-whatever-want-1444235

Unless they can have a secret ballot. A MSNBC commentator today claimed that it would only take five Republican senators to join the Democrats in insisting on a secret vote. If that happens, Trump is gone.
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Voted out on a secret ballot in the Senate?

That will certainly result in his being frog-marched out of the White House. He’ll insist a secret ballot vote was illegal and he’ll argue that there was untraceable voting fraud.

And it has been said before, C-Span could raise tens of millions of dollars if that exit were made into a pay-per-view event.

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maybe even more of the whole family were wearing handcuffs.
 
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Safe-Keeper said:
I guess if you spend too much time with the Trump administration, you forget the rest of the world's governments aren't as dysfunctional and incompetent as the current US president?
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No, the Trump administration just assumes the public is clueless and all they have to do is to say something that sounds plausible and their supporters will take it at face value. Considering Trump has been doing this for four years, you can see why they think they can get away with it.
 
The Trump phenomenon, to a critical degree, is based on people being unable to cope with an overload of information. (well, that's my opinion).
When you get told something ten different ways, making up your own mid with regards to credibility is hard work - so why not just accept what you are being told with the highest level of emotions and confidence, and the least amount of self-criticism?
If they are so sure they are right, they can't be wrong ... right?

And no one claims to be more right more often than Trump himself.
 
Ladewig said:
Voted out on a secret ballot in the Senate?

That will certainly result in his being frog-marched out of the White House. He’ll insist a secret ballot vote was illegal and he’ll argue that there was untraceable voting fraud.

And it has been said before, C-Span could raise tens of millions of dollars if that exit were made into a pay-per-view event.

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maybe even more of the whole family were wearing handcuffs.
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I would pay a thousand dollars to see him dragged out in handcuffs and leg chains.
 
acbytesla said:
No, the Trump administration just assumes the public is clueless and all they have to do is to say something that sounds plausible and their supporters will take it at face value. Considering Trump has been doing this for four years, you can see why they think they can get away with it.
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Considering I just had a discussion with a Trump supporter on Instagram and she genuenly did not believe Trump had lied about anything or contradicted himself... I belive you.

I really am convinced most, if not nearly all of his current supporters are safely ensconsed in comfy little social media bubbles, into which no Trump-critical content penetrates, and anything they don't like must be lies from the evil MSM. It doesn't matter what he does if his disciples only gets information that's carefully spun and filtered.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Considering I just had a discussion with a Trump supporter on Instagram and she genuenly did not believe Trump had lied about anything or contradicted himself... I belive you.

I really am convinced most, if not nearly all of his current supporters are safely ensconsed in comfy little social media bubbles, into which no Trump-critical content penetrates, and anything they don't like must be lies from the evil MSM. It doesn't matter what he does if his disciples only gets information that's carefully spun and filtered.
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I travel a lot and most of that travel is in rural America. There are much fewer radio stations and most of them are right wing radio stations. And if I'm lucky there is a diner that serves a great farmer's breakfast and inevitably there is a TV on tuned of course to FOX News. Yes, they are in a bubble. If you listen to these right wing stations, they are as one sided and lie as much as Trump does. I love engaging the rednecks. but I have to do it carefully. But between the nutty evangelical influence and people like Limbaugh bombarding them 8 hours a day you can see how they reach their conclusions.
 
acbytesla said:
Apparently, Trump does have half a brain. He reversed course on using Doral for the G7.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/19/politics/trump-property-no-longer-considered-for-g7-summit/index.html
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The media and Democrats were being "totally irrational" in our unanimous anger at him brazenly breaking the law in a wildly corrupt and unethical way, after all.

alfaniner said:
The wind shifted this week. We're now hearing Republicans actually using the i-word.
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It may have shifted... but it'd hardly be the first time that Republicans brought up Impeachment. Also, well... this speaks for itself.

Florida Republican retires one day after he refused to rule out supporting impeachment inquiry

alfaniner said:
With Mulvaney's revelation about QPQ at the press conference,
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And said that there is a tape, apparently?

alfaniner said:
the Syrian/Kurd fiasco, and the G7 Doral emolument attempt, this outshines anything The PDJT has done previously.
However, I don't think even the House will get very far on their impeachment proceedings, as The PDJT will resign, casting about claims of "SO UNFAIR!!!" He will not allow himself to be impeached.
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I rather suspect that he'd be more likely to call for violence to reject the "coup."
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Considering I just had a discussion with a Trump supporter on Instagram and she genuenly did not believe Trump had lied about anything or contradicted himself... I belive you.

I really am convinced most, if not nearly all of his current supporters are safely ensconsed in comfy little social media bubbles, into which no Trump-critical content penetrates, and anything they don't like must be lies from the evil MSM. It doesn't matter what he does if his disciples only gets information that's carefully spun and filtered.
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I think the easiest example for them to digest would be the lies about his providing a ten percent raise for the military after they haven’t had a raise in ten years. Even the Military Times points out President Trump’s difficulties with the truth. I can’t imagine anyone on the right accusing that news source of being in league with the godless liberals.

As I’ve said before, I am fascinated by someone who claims to be a financial genius bragging about providing a 10% raise to people who haven’t had a raise in 10 years. That’s not really something worth bragging about.
 
On Thursday, Mulvaney said, “We sat around one night. We were back in the dining room and I was going over it with a couple of our advance team. We had the list, and he goes, 'What about Doral?' And it was like, 'That's not the craziest idea. It makes perfect sense.'"

Does that mean tomorrow Mulvaney will be saying, “Of course it is a crazy idea. It makes no sense at all”?

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I particularly like the passive voice in his original statement. We have absolutely no idea who said that it wasn’t a crazy idea and that it made perfect sense.
 
Ladewig said:
On Thursday, Mulvaney said, “We sat around one night. We were back in the dining room and I was going over it with a couple of our advance team. We had the list, and he goes, 'What about Doral?' And it was like, 'That's not the craziest idea. It makes perfect sense.'"

Does that mean tomorrow Mulvaney will be saying, “Of course it is a crazy idea. It makes no sense at all”?

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I particularly like the passive voice in his original statement. We have absolutely no idea who said that it wasn’t a crazy idea and that it made perfect sense.
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Honestly, the way that was said got me to envision them passing around a pipe of marijuana and talking about how amazing and deep everything that Trump suggested was.
 
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“The President never told me to withhold any money until the Ukrainians did anything related to the server. The only reason we were holding the money was because of concern about LACK OF SUPPORT FROM OTHER NATIONS and CONCERNS OVER CORRUPTION.” Yesterday’s Mick Mulvaney statement
 
Trump Tweets

I thought I was doing something very good for our Country by using Trump National Doral, in Miami, for hosting the G-7 Leaders. It is big, grand, on hundreds of acres, next to MIAMI INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, has tremendous ballrooms & meeting rooms, and each delegation would have...

.....its own 50 to 70 unit building. Would set up better than other alternatives. I announced that I would be willing to do it at NO PROFIT or, if legally permissible, at ZERO COST to the USA. But, as usual, the Hostile Media & their Democrat Partners went CRAZY!

....Therefore, based on both Media & Democrat Crazed and Irrational Hostility, we will no longer consider Trump National Doral, Miami, as the Host Site for the G-7 in 2020. We will begin the search for another site, including the possibility of Camp David, immediately. Thank you!
 
Trump Tweets

So now Crooked Hillary is at it again! She is calling Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard “a Russian favorite,” and Jill Stein “a Russian asset.” As you may have heard, I was called a big Russia lover also (actually, I do like Russian people. I like all people!). Hillary’s gone Crazy!
 
Bob001 said:
It's sadder that he almost certainly believes it.
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Believes it when? I'm sure if someone was to ask him about a sentence he just finished he would get that blank constipated expression on his face and be unable to recall what he said.

I don't think he believes in anything.
 
acbytesla said:
Apparently, Trump does have half a brain. He reversed course on using Doral for the G7.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/19/politics/trump-property-no-longer-considered-for-g7-summit/index.html
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I actually see this as significantly good news. Why? Because it indicates that Trump is feeling vulnerable. It indicates that there are cracks in his "I could shoot somebody in the middle of 5th Avenue" perception.

That's good, because it indicates that he genuinely thinks he's in trouble.
 
Well, you know, there was discussion in the past that Trump was playing the dumb guy as a sort of reality-TV façade for ratings or just to appeal to his base. But with the letter he sent to Erdogan, I've now dismissed that possibility. He really is an actual idiot.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Considering I just had a discussion with a Trump supporter on Instagram and she genuenly did not believe Trump had lied about anything or contradicted himself... I belive you.

I really am convinced most, if not nearly all of his current supporters are safely ensconsed in comfy little social media bubbles, into which no Trump-critical content penetrates, and anything they don't like must be lies from the evil MSM. It doesn't matter what he does if his disciples only gets information that's carefully spun and filtered.
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For that to work they would need to be insulated from most of what Trump himself says or tweets. Or they would need to be idiots.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Such a disgrace that the Do Nothing Democrats are doing just as their name suggests, Doing Nothing! USMCA anyone?

#StopTheCoup

There has never been a greater fraud on Congress. Shifty Schiff is Corrupt. Go Andy!

Rep Andy Biggs
@RepAndyBiggsAZ
173 Members of Congress now cosponsor my motion to condemn and censure Adam Schiff.
A vote on my motion is expected for Monday night.
We must hold Mr. Schiff accountable for misleading the American people.
https://breitbart.com/politics/2019...condemn-adam-schiff-as-floor-vote-approaches/
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Is Trump bragging or is it Biggs? "Hey, we can't even get all our sitting Republican members to back this!" There are 199 GOP House members!
 
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