The Trump Presidency: Part 17

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acbytesla said:
And Mar a Lago charges the Secret Service for a dozen rooms and 2 dozen golf karts to protect the President plus of course food and other assorted items. Trump use to rant about Obama playing golf saying he wouldn't be playing golf he was President.

But not only does Trump play more golf than Obama he plays 5 times as much. And he almost always does it on courses that he owns so the cost gets diverted back into his own pocket. I would love to see a detailed audit of the President's businesses and how much the government and businesses or countries trying to curry favor with the President are contributing.
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Do we know for a fact that he charges Secret Service for staying at his own property?
 
carlosy said:
Do we know for a fact that he charges Secret Service for staying at his own property?
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A new report from the Government Accountability Office says four such trips early on in Trump's presidency cost taxpayers $13.6 million, or some $3.4 million each. That is far higher than the estimates of Trump's travel costs early in his presidency, which were pegged at about $1 million per trip.
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https://www.npr.org/2019/02/05/6916...s-trips-to-florida-costing-taxpayers-millions
 
acbytesla said:
Wow, this is so different than Nixon. When the walls were closing in on Nixon, he hunkered down and really isolated himself. Trump is having a full tilt meltdown in front of the whole world.
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He's addicted to those rallies where the Deplorables cheer for him. He needs that like most of us need oxygen. He gets to release all of his built-up anger and frustration while soaking up all the love.
 
acbytesla said:
JoeMorgue said:
As of August, Politifact lists this as True, donating every quarterly salary so far to a government program or agency.

(In order)

- The National Parks
- Department of Education
- The Veterans Administration
- The Small Business Administration
- The USDA.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1341/take-no-salary/
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Big deal. Trump has spent the equivalent of 283 years of Presidential salary on golf. He also at the same time awards contracts to his own business as well as selling business space to foreign governments and businesses that are trying to curry favor. Often at inflated rates.
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It's just a business expense to him.

He probably deducts for it twice, once as a charitable deduction, and once as part of his PR budget.
 
Minoosh said:
I get that. But I also wonder if his public doesn't wonder why there aren't actual investigations.

Maybe they don't because they know he's full of **** but support him anyway.
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These are the low-information people. Trump says it; they believe it. Now, are the fish biting down at Swampy Creek. There's not only no follow up, the base doesn't care that there's no follow up.

BTW, that's also why his lies are not damaging. He's always saying something else that's stupid and the base follows along. Five minutes ago? Who gives a ***?
 
a_unique_person said:
The worst part is seeing just how much he loves the sound of his own voice. He can't get enough of himself rambling on.
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Unfortunately the media is too kind to him, I've noticed they will when reporting on say a speech at a rally edit parts of his speech so they seem to have a narrative and so on. When you go back to the unedited source it is usually quite a shock to see how much of his performance is incoherent and rambling nonsense.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Though his spelling and grammar is atrocious, might it be that he has a much larger working vocabulary that he lets on? Perhaps the “dumbed down”, generally elementary school vocabulary is an intentional affectation.



Or not.
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I don't think he does. If you listen to him speaking 20 years ago he is much more coherant and less likely to ramble and lose the thread of what he is trying to say, but there is no indication that he ever had a vocabulary that was full to the brim of sesquipedalian words.
 
Trump Retweeted

Ann Wagner
@RepAnnWagner
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As a cosponsor of the resolution to censure Rep. Adam Schiff, I was disappointed Nancy Pelosi did not even allow a vote on the House floor tonight. We need transparency and accountability, not closed door secret meetings. What are they afraid of the American people seeing?

John Joyce
@RepJohnJoyce
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It is disappointing that House Democrats blocked a vote to condemn and censure Chairman Adam Schiff for lying to the American people. The full House of Representatives should have the chance to hold him accountable for his actions. @RepAndyBiggsAZ's H.Res. 630 deserves a vote.

Rep. Doug LaMalfa
@RepLaMalfa
Tonight, I joined @SteveScalise, @RepAndyBiggsAZ, & @HouseGOP in voting to censure Rep. Adam Schiff.

Of course, Democrats blocked the measure in the House. Chairman Schiff’s dishonesty & lack of transparency with the American people will likely continue.

ep Rick Crawford
@RepRickCrawford
Adam Schiff has eliminated the access Republican HPSCI members have & has locked down depositions in a manner that is an abuse of his “Chairmanship” & degrades what’s left of his standing as a House member. His actions will forever be a pox on this committee. #TotalSchiffShow
 
I know Americans are generally supposed to be bad at recognising irony but surely Trump railing against the lies and lack of accountability of, well, anyone else on the planet, must register on everyone's meter?
 
Trump Tweets

Congratulations to
@JustinTrudeau
on a wonderful and hard fought victory. Canada is well served. I look forward to working with you toward the betterment of both of our countries!
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Retweeted

Ann Wagner
@RepAnnWagner
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8h
As a cosponsor of the resolution to censure Rep. Adam Schiff, I was disappointed Nancy Pelosi did not even allow a vote on the House floor tonight. We need transparency and accountability, not closed door secret meetings. What are they afraid of the American people seeing?

John Joyce
@RepJohnJoyce
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8h
It is disappointing that House Democrats blocked a vote to condemn and censure Chairman Adam Schiff for lying to the American people. The full House of Representatives should have the chance to hold him accountable for his actions. @RepAndyBiggsAZ's H.Res. 630 deserves a vote.

Rep. Doug LaMalfa
@RepLaMalfa
Tonight, I joined @SteveScalise, @RepAndyBiggsAZ, & @HouseGOP in voting to censure Rep. Adam Schiff.

Of course, Democrats blocked the measure in the House. Chairman Schiff’s dishonesty & lack of transparency with the American people will likely continue.

ep Rick Crawford
@RepRickCrawford
Adam Schiff has eliminated the access Republican HPSCI members have & has locked down depositions in a manner that is an abuse of his “Chairmanship” & degrades what’s left of his standing as a House member. His actions will forever be a pox on this committee. #TotalSchiffShow
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OK I know whataboutery is not proof of anything much but how many bills and actions has the Turtle blocked in the Senate? Oh right, he is a Republican and this was a Democrat...
 
Pixel42 said:
I know Americans are generally supposed to be bad at recognising irony but surely Trump railing against the lies and lack of accountability of, well, anyone else on the planet, must register on everyone's meter?
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At this point the entire Trump administration just seems like an ironic joke that went on too long.
 
Trump Tweets

“The Ambassador to the European Union has already testified, he said there was no quid pro quo. He said the President had told him that.” @kilmeade @foxandfriends

“I thought a very revealing poll was done by The New York Times. By about a 10 point margin, those in battleground states polled are against impeaching the President, and if Nancy Pelosi doesn’t take note of that, maybe she is the third rate politician.” @kilmeade @foxandfriends

...A majority do not want him Impeached and removed from office. 94% of the people in these battleground states who voted for President Trump want him to continue as President. That’s squarely in his corner.” @SteveDoocy
“That’s a revealing poll, don’t you think that matters?”...

....
@kilmeade “I want to know about Hillary Clinton with the Dossier? I want to know if there was FISA abuse? We’re still waiting for that report!” @ainsleyearhardt @foxandfriends
 
Trump Tweets

So some day, if a Democrat becomes President and the Republicans win the House, even by a tiny margin, they can impeach the President, without due process or fairness or any legal rights. All Republicans must remember what they are witnessing here - a lynching. But we will WIN!
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

“The Ambassador to the European Union has already testified, he said there was no quid pro quo. He said the President had told him that.”
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:nope:

@kilmeade @foxandfriends

“I thought a very revealing poll was done by The New York Times. By about a 10 point margin, those in battleground states polled are against impeaching the President, and if Nancy Pelosi doesn’t take note of that, maybe she is the third rate politician.” @kilmeade @foxandfriends

...A majority do not want him Impeached and removed from office. 94% of the people in these battleground states who voted for President Trump want him to continue as President. That’s squarely in his corner.” @SteveDoocy
“That’s a revealing poll, don’t you think that matters?”...

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@kilmeade “I want to know about Hillary Clinton with the Dossier? I want to know if there was FISA abuse? We’re still waiting for that report!” @ainsleyearhardt @foxandfriends
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Look, guys, Fox agrees with me!
 
Trump is the greatest victim of all time. Nobody has ever been victimized like Trump has. He makes Job seem like a piker.
 
CapelDodger said:
For Trump impeachment is a forgone conclusion because the House is Democratic. It'll never sink in that the evidence might have anything to do with it.
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Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

So some day, if a Democrat becomes President and the Republicans win the House, even by a tiny margin, they can impeach the President, without due process or fairness or any legal rights. All Republicans must remember what they are witnessing here - a lynching. But we will WIN!
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He's been saying this from the start. If he's allowed to be impeached, it will set a precedent that will lead to every President being impeached if the opposing party controls the House. The only difference now is that he's turning it into a threat instead of a warning. In his mind, it's purely a partisan vendetta with no evidence and no wrongdoing. He also apparently believes that everyone is as petty and vindictive as he is.
 
Good morning. Can one of the articles of impeachment be the "I'm rubber and your glue." Article? It should be
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Are you asking about Trump violating the Emoluments Clause, or just about wasting taxpayer money and golfing too much?
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Neither, because both are a given.

I was just looking for actual facts about how much money of these mentioned millions are really going to Mar-a-Lago. Yes, it costs millions, but most of the money is not about Mar-a-Lago. If they would go anywhere else, it would pretty much cost the same.
 
I don't know whether this has come up yet (I don't read these threads fully at times) but it seems our great leader can't even get a congratulatory photo op right. Congratulating the two-woman space walking team, he referred to this as the first time any woman has walked in space, missing the historical mark by 50 years (though only 35 or so for American women).

I know it's a small thing, and we've gotten used to the idea that our president is an ignorant boob, but really, given how little he'd have to know to get it right, is there not even anyone on his staff who knows anything about the subject at hand?
 
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Good morning bruto.
bruto said:
I don't know whether this has come up yet (I don't read these threads fully at times) but it seems our great leader can't even get a congratulatory photo op right. Congratulating the two-woman space walking team, he referred to this as the first time any woman has walked in space, missing the historical mark by 50 years (though only 35 or so for American women).

I know it's a small thing, and we've gotten used to the idea that our president is an ignorant boob, but really, given how little he'd have to know to get it right, is there not even anyone on his staff who knows anything about the subject at hand?
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You are forgetting that if Trump says this was the first time for a woman to spacewalk than its reality. Don't be surprised if several GOP Congress members will claim that he is correct, or maybe even that he was joking.
This may come as a shock to many but our President doesn't really do a lot of studying of history.
 
Ladewig said:
Well, it could be more difficult to listen to because he is the most powerful man in the free world.
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Well, that's at least why I occasionally try to listen to him. Unlike the posters on the science threads that make their own youtube explanations. I don't even try to listen to those.


Ladewig said:
Or it could just be the palpable smugness.
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Certainly a contributing factor as that smugness doesn't easily transfer to just text.
 
Trump now says impeachment is lynching:
President Trump on Tuesday called the impeachment inquiry into him a “lynching,” using a term associated with the murders of black people to describe a process enshrined in the Constitution.

In an early morning tweet, he added that the impeachment inquiry is “without due process or fairness or any legal rights,” and he encouraged Republicans to remember this in the future.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/22/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Yes, it is. If it’s in response to a question, it gives zero information.

“Does that mean you still intend to impose additional tariffs, and, if so, is there any concrete action the EU can take to avoid them?”

“We’ll see what happens”.

What have you learned from that response? Nothing. Hence, it IS that bad.


Edited to add: pretty much a restatement of what CapelDodger wrote above.
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I'm not an avid follower of his speeches but every time I've seen him use it it appears to be an answer to a question that he's not previously thought about but doesn't want to appear so - it's just another deflection technique he's learned.
 
bruto said:
I don't know whether this has come up yet (I don't read these threads fully at times) but it seems our great leader can't even get a congratulatory photo op right. Congratulating the two-woman space walking team, he referred to this as the first time any woman has walked in space, missing the historical mark by 50 years (though only 35 or so for American women).

I know it's a small thing, and we've gotten used to the idea that our president is an ignorant boob, but really, given how little he'd have to know to get it right, is there not even anyone on his staff who knows anything about the subject at hand?
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Not to mention when he got corrected, he [appeared to] give [someone] the middle finger.

https://youtu.be/J-1KklDCSvw?t=22
 
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Trump Tweets

Can’t believe that Nervous Nancy Pelosi isn’t moving faster on USMCA. Her people want it, they don’t know why she isn’t putting it up for a bipartisan vote. Taking too long!


95% Approval Rating in the Republican Party. Thank you!
 
bruto said:
I don't know whether this has come up yet (I don't read these threads fully at times) but it seems our great leader can't even get a congratulatory photo op right. Congratulating the two-woman space walking team, he referred to this as the first time any woman has walked in space, missing the historical mark by 50 years (though only 35 or so for American women).

I know it's a small thing, and we've gotten used to the idea that our president is an ignorant boob, but really, given how little he'd have to know to get it right, is there not even anyone on his staff who knows anything about the subject at hand?
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I saw another story that described how he responded to the public correction by one of the astronauts by rubbing the side of his head with his middle finger, making it look like he was flipping them off. I doubt even he would be sufficiently clueless for it to be intentional, so just a lack of self-awareness of his actions.
He also had trouble with the time delay and kept talking over the astronauts when they were trying to respond to his questions.

EDIT: Ninja x 2
 
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