The Trump Presidency: Part 17

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The Lynching remark seems to have ignited a fire storm with it obvious racial overtones.
I know that all lynchings in the US were not racially motivated....most of those in the Old West were whites lynching whites...but the lynching of blacks by white mobs in the South is what most people think of when the term is used, and Donnie damn well knew this.
It's also one of coded shout outs to his White Nationalist followers.
We have a President of the US who is not only a bigot but uses bigotry as a political weapon.
And the Trump supporters on this site see nothing wrong with that.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Agreed, but not definitively so.

Most people will use their index finger to do something like that. Without thinking, touch your eyebrow. Bet you used your index finger.

Now do it, using your middle finger instead. Did you naturally fold back any other fingers while doing so? I know I don’t.
But, as I said, that motion may be natural to someone. In this case I’m pretty sure we’ll never know if Trump has malicious intent or not.
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Agreed. If you look at the other videos in the link I provided earlier where he makes the same gesture, you'll notice he uses the same finger position. The body language 'expert' says this about that:

If he was scratching we would expect him to put more fingers up and to bend them to use his nails.
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TheSupermeerkat said:
Bill Taylor’s Impeachment Testimony Is So Damning For Trump That Investigators Gasped When They Heard It

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/10/22/bill-taylor-testimony.html/amp?__twitter_impression=true

A clickbait article that doesn't really say much. Has anyone got any other sources?
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I don't know how reliable RawStory is.


Veteran diplomat Bill Taylor, who told European Union ambassador Gordon Sondland that he thought it was “crazy” to withhold military aid to Ukraine to help a political campaign, testified before the House Intelligence Committee on Tuesday over the objections of the Trump State Department.

Even though details of the testimony have not yet been made public, one source tells Politico’s Andrew Desiderio that Taylor’s opening statement was a hefty 15 pages long and sparked “a lot of sighs and gasps.”

While no lawmakers present at the hearing have discussed the contents of Taylor’s opening statement, reactions from at least two Democratic lawmakers line up with what Desiderio’s source claims was the reaction in the room.

Per Politico’s Kyle Cheney, Rep. Ted Lieu (D-CA) described Taylor’s testimony so far as “incredibly damaging to the president.” Rep. Andy Levin (D-MI), meanwhile, reportedly described Taylor’s testimony as “my most disturbing day in Congress so far.”
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Armitage72 said:
I don't know how reliable RawStory is.
Even though details of the testimony have not yet been made public, one source tells Politico’s Andrew Desiderio that Taylor’s opening statement was a hefty 15 pages long and sparked “a lot of sighs and gasps.”
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Keep in mind that one of Trump's made-up complaints is how the impeachment is being done "in secret". If he were being honest, he would actually prefer things to be done behind closed doors, since showing such testimony in public would be more damaging to Trump.
 
phiwum said:
Register as a Democrat. They'll bus you in to vote from what I hear.
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Both parties have volunteers who will drive you to your polling station. I did that in 1976, 1980 and 1992. But of course it is limited to the availability of volunteers.
 
acbytesla said:
Both parties have volunteers who will drive you to your polling station. I did that in 1976, 1980 and 1992. But of course it is limited to the availability of volunteers.
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The ride sharing services Uber and Lyft gave free rides to voting stations in 2018. Probably not viable for everyone but it's something.
 
JoeMorgue said:
As many times as you want too! I voted as Joe, Joseph, Joey, Jose, three dead people, and Hashtag McYoloSwag in 2016.
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You must own a lot of hats.

ETA: Dammit. Ninja'ed by Remarkably Fast Eddie B. The B is for "Bastard". (Huh. Thought that might be caught by the censor, but since I reckon Eddie won't take offense at it and it seems okay to the censor, I'll leave it.)
 
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acbytesla said:
Both parties have volunteers who will drive you to your polling station. I did that in 1976, 1980 and 1992. But of course it is limited to the availability of volunteers.
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Only the Democrats will pick you up in Canada. Think you missed that.
 
Michael Steele did not go easy on Trump or Graham.

https://twitter.com/MichaelSteele/status/1186670602117156871

"@realDonaldTrump and @LindseyGrahamSC this is a lynching. Trump this is not happening to you and it’s pathetic that you act like you’re such a victim; but it did happen to 147 black people in your state Lindsey. “A lynching in every sense”? You should know better."

Attached to the tweet is a picture of an actual lynching.
 
pgwenthold said:
"Number 13 will leave you speechless!"
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The testimony has now been released.

Top US diplomat in Ukraine Bill Taylor told lawmakers Tuesday that US Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland told him that President Donald Trump had said he wanted Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to publicly state he would investigate Bursima and the 2016 election in order to provide the Ukrainians with a meeting and security assistance, according to a copy of Taylor's opening statement obtained by CNN.
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From everything I can read Bill Taylor pretty much openly called Trump a liar today.

I wonder if he had anything in the form of hard evidence or if this is just more of the same he said\he said ****.
 
plague311 said:
From everything I can read Bill Taylor pretty much openly called Trump a liar today.

I wonder if he had anything in the form of hard evidence or if this is just more of the same he said\he said ****.
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Just guessing, but I'd suspect nothing more than contemporaneous notes. Sondland knew to avoid a written trail and so did Giuliani.

While Taylor knew to keep asking things in texts so there's that.
 
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Armitage72 said:
I saw another story that described how he responded to the public correction by one of the astronauts by rubbing the side of his head with his middle finger, making it look like he was flipping them off. I doubt even he would be sufficiently clueless for it to be intentional, so just a lack of self-awareness of his actions.
He also had trouble with the time delay and kept talking over the astronauts when they were trying to respond to his questions.

EDIT: Ninja x 2
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I was going to give him the benefit of the doubt on the delay, but then I realized that they probably tried to tell him about that more than once during the prep and he just ignored what he was told.

The finger thing might have been towards the press in general rather than towards the woman correcting him.


Armitage72 said:
I . I doubt even he would be sufficiently clueless for it to be intentional, so just a lack of self-awareness of his actions.
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I’m not trying to get all skeptic-y, but do you have any evidence to support the idea that it is reasonable to doubt that it would be intentional?
 
phiwum said:
Just guessing, but I'd suspect nothing more than contemporaneous notes. Sondland knew to avoid a written trail and so did Giuliani.

While Taylor knew to keep asking things in texts so there's that.
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I would imagine there are diplomatic cables for some of it? Am I not understanding those correctly?
 
JoeMorgue said:
As many times as you want too! I voted as Joe, Joseph, Joey, Jose, three dead people, and Hashtag McYoloSwag in 2016.
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Remember the great line from Scorsese's "Gangs Of New York" :

"What you only voted ONCE? You call that doing your civic duty?".

Man back in the era of Boss Tweed, they knew how to do corrupted election right.....
 
Just heard a co worker make this comment:

"If there is an anti Trump lynch mob, where the hell do I join?".
 
plague311 said:
I would imagine there are diplomatic cables for some of it? Am I not understanding those correctly?
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I genuinely don't know, but it seems to me that Sondland at least tried to keep from written discussions. I don't see why the administration would use diplomatic cables (if these really are still in use) to do something like this. They seemed to work to keep the details hidden, despite Guiliani's loud mouth.
 
In another thread, there is discusion of why David Duke -- who endorsed Trump in 2016 -- is endorsing Tulsi Gabbard in 2020. Gabbard, currently polling at around 1%, rejects Duke's support but Duke doesn't care. Ironically, some on the far right, including Duke, see Gabbard as the next best alternative to Donnie. They are beginning to reject Trump. This is from Duke's website.

The fact of the matter is that the American people already voted to end these crazy regime change wars and the New Cold War with Russia when they elected Donald Trump in 2016. However, Donald Trump, at least until last week, had not proven himself effective at implementing the will of the people to bring our troops home. Link to David Duke dot com
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The photo below is from Duke's website:

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Segnosaur said:
Keep in mind that one of Trump's made-up complaints is how the impeachment is being done "in secret". If he were being honest, he would actually prefer things to be done behind closed doors, since showing such testimony in public would be more damaging to Trump.
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He needn't worry. I think it's safe to say that nothing which goes on behind those particular closed doors will stay secret for very long.

:D
 
plague311 said:
I would imagine there are diplomatic cables for some of it? Am I not understanding those correctly?
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phiwum said:
I genuinely don't know, but it seems to me that Sondland at least tried to keep from written discussions. I don't see why the administration would use diplomatic cables (if these really are still in use) to do something like this. They seemed to work to keep the details hidden, despite Guiliani's loud mouth.
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Normally record keeping laws require them, but a lot of these communications were encrypted on WhatsApp, in open violation of the exact laws they wanted Hillary locked up for that she was just cleared, again, of violating.

It's another proof that Trump allies are utterly dishonest in basically all their arguments. They only cared about getting Hillary and cared nothing for the law itself.
 
Stacyhs said:
Perhaps. But it still won't matter to the Senate Republicans.
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I guess they will argue it's not enough to remove an elected President from office for.
I think the Dems know chances for convinction in the Senate were always small. what they hope is that the political damage it does to Trump is enormous, and they can argue in 2020 that he was guilty but let off by a fixed jury.
 
dudalb said:
I guess they will argue it's not enough to remove an elected President from office for.
I think the Dems know chances for convinction in the Senate were always small. what they hope is that the political damage it does to Trump is enormous, and they can argue in 2020 that he was guilty but let off by a fixed jury.
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There are quite a few GOP Senators who don't want to have to vote on this. It's going to damage them, fetter them to Trump, to do so. And they're in places where they can't win with just their base.

It isn't all about damaging Trump; it's about making the GOP own their mess.
 
Belz... said:
Also, did I hear right that Trump said he'd have made billions if he didn't run for President?



I don't know about that. He seems to lose billions far more readily.
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A week ago he said he had added TRILLIONS to the federal coffers.
Just how freaking' big IS our economy?
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dudalb said:
The Lynching remark seems to have ignited a fire storm with it obvious racial overtones.
I know that all lynchings in the US were not racially motivated....most of those in the Old West were whites lynching whites...but the lynching of blacks by white mobs in the South is what most people think of when the term is used, and Donnie damn well knew this.
It's also one of coded shout outs to his White Nationalist followers.
We have a President of the US who is not only a bigot but uses bigotry as a political weapon.
And the Trump supporters on this site see nothing wrong with that.
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First - apparently, even lynchings are easier for white people in the US apparently. They didn't even chop up his fingers to keep the knuckles as souvenirs!

Second - Um, not surprised. Toupee Fiasco's both a white supremacist and a ignoramus, this sort of crap is what I'd expect him to say.
 
Remember that op-ed from an anonymous White House insider who professed to be trying to thwart Trump from within? This person has a book coming out in a few weeks. The author is said to be...
donating any royalties to nonprofit organizations that focus on government accountability and press freedom
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... removing profit motive.
 
Belz... said:
If that's the case then he's acting like a pre-teen, which sure matches his vocabulary.

(watches)

Anyway I've seen the video now and I'm still not convinced it was intentional on his part. I don't know, it doesn't match his usual style.
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I remain open on the question, but only to the extent that if he did not mean the gesture as it rather clearly appears, then he's even more stupid than we thought. This is another one of those choices we seem to see over and over these days: either he's inexcusably impolite or such a demented moron he doesn't know what he's doing. This is one of those times I kind of wish theprestige would be right, as he seems to believe it's harmless to have such an idiot as our president. I don't think it is, but I wish it were.
 
varwoche said:
Remember that op-ed from an anonymous White House insider who professed to be trying to thwart Trump from within? This person has a book coming out in a few weeks. The author is said to be...
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... removing profit motive.
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Who cares about profit motive? They are publicly trying to rationalize working for a dumpster fire because Trump gets them conservative wins like tax breaks. That describes practically every conservative in both branches of government, but this one is trying to act like a philosopher or hero for being complicit. It's obvious that they are failing at limiting Trump's worst actions.
 
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Mumbles said:
First - apparently, even lynchings are easier for white people in the US apparently. They didn't even chop up his fingers to keep the knuckles as souvenirs! Second - Um, not surprised. Toupee Fiasco's both a white supremacist and a ignoramus, this sort of crap is what I'd expect him to say.
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Didn't your mommy ever tell you not to pick up things when you don't know where they've been?
 
Jim_MDP said:
A week ago he said he had added TRILLIONS to the federal coffers.
Just how freaking' big IS our economy?
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Everything with The PDJT is "a record" this, "a record" that. I'd love to see the Trump Book of Records someday.

It sounds phenomenally stupid when he claims it for every rally.
 
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