A Million People Are Jailed at China's Gulags.

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A Million People Are Jailed at China's Gulags. I Managed to Escape. Here's What Really Goes on Inside

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Rape, torture and human experiments. Sayragul Sauytbay offers firsthand testimony from a Xinjiang 'reeducation' camp
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Twenty prisoners live in one small room. They are handcuffed, their heads shaved, every move is monitored by ceiling cameras. A bucket in the corner of the room is their toilet. The daily routine begins at 6 A.M. They are learning Chinese, memorizing propaganda songs and confessing to invented sins. They range in age from teenagers to elderly. Their meals are meager: cloudy soup and a slice of bread.

Torture – metal nails, fingernails pulled out, electric shocks – takes place in the “black room.” Punishment is a constant. The prisoners are forced to take pills and get injections. It’s for disease prevention, the staff tell them, but in reality they are the human subjects of medical experiments. Many of the inmates suffer from cognitive decline. Some of the men become sterile. Women are routinely raped.

Such is life in China’s reeducation camps, as reported in rare testimony provided by Sayragul Sauytbay (pronounced: Say-ra-gul Saut-bay, as in “bye”), a teacher who escaped from China and was granted asylum in Sweden. Few prisoners have succeeded in getting out of the camps and telling their story. Sauytbay’s testimony is even more extraordinary, because during her incarceration she was compelled to be a teacher in the camp. China wants to market its camps to the world as places of educational programs and vocational retraining, but Sauytbay is one of the few people who can offer credible, firsthand testimony about what really goes on in the camps.

I met with Sauytbay three times, once in a meeting arranged by a Swedish Uyghur association and twice, after she agreed to tell her story to Haaretz, in personal interviews that took place in Stockholm and lasted several hours, all together. Sauytbay spoke only Kazakh, and so we communicated via a translator, but it was apparent that she spoke in a credible way. During most of the time we spoke, she was composed, but at the height of her recounting of the horror, tears welled up in her eyes. Much of what she said corroborated previous testimony by prisoners who had fled to the West. Sweden granted her asylum, because in the wake of her testimony, extradition to China would have placed her in mortal danger.

She is 43, a Muslim of Kazakh descent, who grew up in Mongolküre county, near the China-Kazakh border. Like hundreds of thousands of others, most of them Uyghurs, a minority ethnic Turkic group, she too fell victim to China’s suppression of every sign of an isolationist thrust in the northwest province of Xinjiang. A large number of camps have been established in that region over the past two years, as part of the regime’s struggle against what it terms the “Three Evils”: terrorism, separatism and extremism. According to Western estimates, between one and two million of the province’s residents have been incarcerated in camps during Beijing’s campaign of oppression.
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My thoughts:

Between this and Tibet we are witnessing a real genocide. 10% of the population in camps where people are given pills and shots that destroy their health and fertility. I think it will take China 10-20 years to cycle the entire ethnic group through these camps.
At the same time, surveillance and control are total with police posts combined with extreme electronic surveillance. Resistance seems absolutely futile here.

The world -and notably the Islamic- world is mostly silent. This includes Turkey ( the ethnic group being repressed is Turkic).

Further reading:

Inside China's Massive Surveillance Operation
In northwest China, the government is cracking down on the minority Muslim Uyghur population, keeping them under constant surveillance and throwing more than a million people into concentration camps. But in Istanbul, 3,000 miles away, a community of women who have escaped a life of repression are fighting a digital resistance.

This Is What A 21st-Century Police State Really Looks Like

Far from the booming metropolis of Beijing, China is building a sprawling system that combines dystopian technology and human policing. “It’s a kind of frontline laboratory for surveillance.”
 
On a perverse level, I am curious to see whether this attempt at manufacturing a compliant population through Social Credit, surveillance and "re-education" camps can actually work ... or whether they are just putting tremendous effort into something that will backfire spectacularly.
We know that China is currently paying for the one-child policy of 40 years ago - I would be surprised if these policies don't end up hurting China in the next generation in some big ways.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
On a perverse level, I am curious to see whether this attempt at manufacturing a compliant population through Social Credit, surveillance and "re-education" camps can actually work ... or whether they are just putting tremendous effort into something that will backfire spectacularly.
We know that China is currently paying for the one-child policy of 40 years ago - I would be surprised if these policies don't end up hurting China in the next generation in some big ways.
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I am told that it will work as long as the Government can afford to pay for it. If something happens and it breaks down then anything can happen. Hong Kong would only be a practice run. I mean if every major city started rioting then who will restore order?
 
rjh01 said:
I am told that it will work as long as the Government can afford to pay for it. If something happens and it breaks down then anything can happen. Hong Kong would only be a practice run. I mean if every major city started rioting then who will restore order?
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money is one thing.
The other is the ease with which a conditioned population can be taken over by those with even better manipulation skills.

If I was working for the CIA, I would research how to very subtly mess with the Social Credit Score System - tiny nudges can cause massive harm if amplified by a billion. And the conditioning imposed by the Communist Party would make it practically impossible to resist, even if people became aware of the problem.
 
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It’s horrifying.

I doubt many governments or businesses will do anything.

We really should boycott China. It should probably be made a pariah similar to how apartheid South Africa was.
 
Eddie Dane said:
A Million People Are Jailed at China's Gulags. I Managed to Escape. Here's What Really Goes on Inside
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Holy ****.

That's actually a good argument to avoid buying anyting made in China, and to impose severe tariffs on those who do.

Sink their economy until they comply with human decency.
 
Belz... said:
Holy ****.

That's actually a good argument to avoid buying anyting made in China, and to impose severe tariffs on those who do.

Sink their economy until they comply with human decency.
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That's not how you get to China.
What is needed is a coalition with oil producing countries to stop selling to China: with the right kind of media effort, it should be possible to make it politically costly for Muslim countries to deal with the biggest abuser of Muslims in the world.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
On a perverse level, I am curious to see whether this attempt at manufacturing a compliant population through Social Credit, surveillance and "re-education" camps can actually work ... or whether they are just putting tremendous effort into something that will backfire spectacularly.
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My impression is that much of the repression is focused on the ethnic minority populations in the West and Northwest. Tibet, Xinjiang, other places with Kazakh, Turkmen, Mongolian, or other non-Han ethnicities. They've got Han people in the camps as well, but not in proportion to the overall population.

It may backfire, but probably not too massively as the majority ethnic group is much less impacted by all of this.
 
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crescent said:
My impression is that much of the repression is focused on the ethnic minority populations in the West and Northwest. Tibet, Xinjiang, other places with Kazakh, Turkmen, Mongolian, or other non-Han ethnicities. They've got Han people in the camps as well, but not in proportion to the overall population.

It may backfire, but probably not too massively as the majority ethnic group is much less impacted by all of this.
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Part of this story is a real terrorism problem caused by the usual brainwashers. I collected some articles on this here.
 
Belz... said:
It's my understanding that international trade is a big part of their income. In any case I was describing also a moral stance.
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This problem long predated international trade and the relocating of international manufacturing to China. It's just that we're in a position to actually hear about it now. It's been de rigeur since the Maoist revolution.

China's government is profoundly resistant to any change to the dominant ideology; and has demonstrated repeatedly in the past that they are more than willing to kill and imprison any number of people in order to maintain their grip on power. Tiananmen Square was unique only in the scale, and the international visibility.

A significant drop in the economic benefits of international trade and manufacturing isn't really going to change that. Especially since it will have little impact on those who hold the reins of power. The bulk of the "new wealth" in China is concentrated in a tiny number of "elites", and in the major urban centers. The overwhelming majority of Chinese see little to no benefit from the economic prosperity, and won't be nearly as affected by a crash.

However, China is desperate for power to fuel their economic expansion, which is why they are investing so heavily in renewable energy generation -- outpacing the rest of the world. Cutting off or increasing the costs of fuel imports would have a much larger and much quicker impact than pulling out of a few factories, or slapping on additional tariffs. Tariffs in particular are singularly ineffective, since so much of the rest of the world is heavily dependent on cheap Chinese manufacturing, so they hold a bit of an upper hand there. The US has been far more hurt by their current tariff war with China than China has.

crescent said:
My impression is that much of the repression is focused on the ethnic minority populations in the West and Northwest. Tibet, Xinjiang, other places with Kazakh, Turkmen, Mongolian, or other non-Han ethnicities. They've got Han people in the camps as well, but not in proportion to the overall population.
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And it gets even worse than that. Not only is China engaged in a slow genocide of these ethnic minorities, the "re-education camps" have a far more sinister purpose: providing organ farms for wealthy Chinese. Ethnic minorities are a primary source for transplant organs, since the people are considered effectively disposable by the government.

It may backfire, but probably not too massively as the majority ethnic group is much less impacted by all of this.
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Given how few of the Han Chinese themselves actually benefit from the current economic situation, and the extremely high rates of incarceration under the Mao and successor regimes, I don't see it changing much; especially given that the Chinese value system is far more community-based than individual-based, and the government's very effective exploitation of that mindset.
 
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