GOP Party of Fascism.

Belz... said:
Ok so are we talking about declaring the GOP a criminal organisation, here?
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Enemies of the state, very very Soviet, Nazistic, and coming from the Liberal agenda. Everyone must be the same of the common good of the State that regulates and taxes everything, ala China. :)
 
JoeMorgue said:
Long story short (with the acknowledgement that there is a metric CRAP ton of nuance I just don't have it in me to get into right now because I don't want to deal with the Pearl Clutching from Mr. Whataboutism and Mr. Contrarian...)

- The core GOP leadership in it's current state as of this writing, maybe. Leaning toward probably in some sense.

- The ~34 million registered just street level Republican voters, no.
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Yeah, they're just following order. ;)
 
dudalb said:
Blind devotation to a leader :check.
Ignoring of all constitution restraints to give such leader absolute power.Check.
Deliberate use of Bigotry as a political weapon:Check.
Advocacy of violence against poltical opponents;Not quite there yet but moving fast in that direction.
With a few exceptions, I would say the GOP is going fast down the fascist path.
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Agreed. I've been calling the GOP proto-fascist for the longest. Not to say I think it would ever spawn pure facism but the Republican regime definitely features elements commonly associated with fascism.
 
Belz... said:
Yep. Nothing at all.
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That's not an explanation. It is at best a restatement of your claim.

Your denials are becoming just about as convincing as Trump's.
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The fact that Trump isn't a dictator should be obvious to everyone, but for some reason it isn't. The fact that Trump isn't taking the steps necessary to become one should be obvious to everyone, but for some reason it isn't. We've entered a period of mass delusion here. Nothing I say can possibly convince someone who believes these delusions. But when 2025 rolls around and Trump leaves office after his second term in a peaceful and orderly manner for whoever gets elected next, it will become clear that nothing that's being predicted here came to pass. Just like Bush didn't try to become a dictator, and Obama didn't try to become a dictator, even though some people thought the same thing about them.
 
Ziggurat said:
That's not an explanation. It is at best a restatement of your claim.



The fact that Trump isn't a dictator should be obvious to everyone, but for some reason it isn't. The fact that Trump isn't taking the steps necessary to become one should be obvious to everyone, but for some reason it isn't. We've entered a period of mass delusion here. Nothing I say can possibly convince someone who believes these delusions. But when 2025 rolls around and Trump leaves office after his second term in a peaceful and orderly manner for whoever gets elected next, it will become clear that nothing that's being predicted here came to pass. Just like Bush didn't try to become a dictator, and Obama didn't try to become a dictator, even though some people thought the same thing about them.
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He took at least one necessary step. He proposed multiple times not adhering to the 22nd amendment.
 
BobTheCoward said:
He took at least one necessary step. He proposed multiple times not adhering to the 22nd amendment.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-explains-why-he-talks-about-a-third-term

"President Trump said he would accept the results of the 2020 election and that he only jokes about running for a third term because it drives the media crazy."

And it does drive the media, and apparently a lot of other people, quite crazy. None of his "proposals" have any serious element, it's really just a Trump version of Obama bragging that he could have won a third term. There's never any actual move to draft an amendment to repeal the 22nd, or even legislation to try to get around it.
 
Ziggurat said:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-explains-why-he-talks-about-a-third-term

"President Trump said he would accept the results of the 2020 election and that he only jokes about running for a third term because it drives the media crazy."

And it does drive the media, and apparently a lot of other people, quite crazy. None of his "proposals" have any serious element, it's really just a Trump version of Obama bragging that he could have won a third term. There's never any actual move to draft an amendment to repeal the 22nd, or even legislation to try to get around it.
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Okay. I see we agree that he has repeatedly proposed it.
 
Belz... said:
Nnnno. Some of them, perhaps, but far from all. To begin with, they don't have a fascist president at this time.
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Maybe not, but how China works is not a bad example for comparison. The Social credit Score what not, how to think poroperly at every turn, and they have their own Strongman leader to....


The model works on both sides of the coin
 
Ziggurat said:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-explains-why-he-talks-about-a-third-term

"President Trump said he would accept the results of the 2020 election and that he only jokes about running for a third term because it drives the media crazy."

And it does drive the media, and apparently a lot of other people, quite crazy. None of his "proposals" have any serious element, it's really just a Trump version of Obama bragging that he could have won a third term. There's never any actual move to draft an amendment to repeal the 22nd, or even legislation to try to get around it.
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that would make him less a Dictator, and perhaps the largest scale Troll in current history
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Zig, you have no problem with Trump having his lawyers claim he can shoot somebody with impunity ?
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That's not what they proposed. A more accurate description would be delayed accountability. And while the extreme hypothetical under discussion is obviously an objectionable situation, they've got a point regarding actually realistic scenarios. It's potentially a big problem if local authorities are empowered to investigate the President. It's a situation ripe for abuse.
 
Ziggurat said:
That's not what they proposed. A more accurate description would be delayed accountability. And while the extreme hypothetical under discussion is obviously an objectionable situation, they've got a point regarding actually realistic scenarios. It's potentially a big problem if local authorities are empowered to investigate the President. It's a situation ripe for abuse.
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and the President is abusing it.
 
Ziggurat said:
...But when 2025 rolls around and Trump leaves office after his second term in a peaceful and orderly manner for whoever gets elected next, it will become clear that nothing that's being predicted here came to pass. Just like Bush didn't try to become a dictator, and Obama didn't try to become a dictator, even though some people thought the same thing about them.
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  • Never once did I think Bush was trying to become a dictator.
  • Never once did Bush say that parts of the constitutions are "fake".
  • Never once did I think that Bush had a hard-on for brutal dictators (despite that looking into Putin's heart wasn't his best moment).
  • Never once did Bush urge his supporters to inflict violence on fellow citizens whose only crime was to protest against him.
  • Never once did Bush speculate about a "second amendment solution" for his political opponent.
  • Never once did Bush urge law enforcement to rough up detainees.
  • Never once did Bush applaud when a journalist was assaulted.
  • Never once did Bush cry foul over a legal ruling based on the ethnicity of the judge.
  • Never once did Bush attempt to ban members of a religion from entering the country.
  • Never once did Bush call Mexicans rapists, or otherwise trash brown people.
  • Never once (to my knowledge) did Bush use the lever of US foreign policy to coerce a foreign government to dig up dirt on a political opponent.
  • Never once did Bush illicit suspicions of being a lap dog for a hostile, foreign power*, seeing as he never put on a display like Trump's in Helinski -- a performance known colloquially as tea bagging.
  • Never once did Bush claim, in court, that he was above investigation.
I could go on at great length.

* Not counting Dick Cheney.
 
Ziggurat said:
That's not an explanation. It is at best a restatement of your claim.



The fact that Trump isn't a dictator should be obvious to everyone, but for some reason it isn't. The fact that Trump isn't taking the steps necessary to become one should be obvious to everyone, but for some reason it isn't. We've entered a period of mass delusion here. Nothing I say can possibly convince someone who believes these delusions. But when 2025 rolls around and Trump leaves office after his second term in a peaceful and orderly manner for whoever gets elected next, it will become clear that nothing that's being predicted here came to pass. Just like Bush didn't try to become a dictator, and Obama didn't try to become a dictator, even though some people thought the same thing about them.
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Wanna know why?

Because up to this point you have utterly failed to support what you say.

If you even try doing that, I'll listen. Pinky Promise.

I've been waiting for you to start trying for 18 hours now, however. See:

Cabbage said:
The highlighted portion is simply not accurate. Consider the following scenario:

A president breaks laws--This does not change the law, the law still exists, it was simply broken. The president's party has a majority in either the House or the Senate and chooses to turn a blind eye to the president breaking laws; this results in a failure to bring impeachment charges against the president, or a failure to convict on impeachment charges brought by the house.

No law was changed yet the president broke a law without consequence. Lather, rinse, repeat. More laws broken, no consequence, and no laws changed.

QED.

As I said before: Your logic is seriously lacking.
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:rolleyes:
 
Ziggurat said:
"President Trump said he would accept the results of the 2020 election and that he only jokes about running for a third term because it drives the media crazy."
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Explain to me why I should listen to anyone who lies as much as Trump does.

His Word is Worthless and you damn well know it.
 
"Trump isn't a problem because nothing he is doing is unusual or unprecedented."
"But what about all the stuff that is unusual or unprecedented?"
"Those don't count because reasons..."
"And what are those reasons?"
"Errrr... ah... HEY LOOK A SQUIRREL!"

20 GOTO 10.
 
Ziggurat said:
That's not what they proposed. A more accurate description would be delayed accountability. And while the extreme hypothetical under discussion is obviously an objectionable situation, they've got a point regarding actually realistic scenarios. It's potentially a big problem if local authorities are empowered to investigate the President. It's a situation ripe for abuse.
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Currently, not being able to investigate the president is more ripe for abuse.

:rolleyes:
 
Cabbage said:
Explain to me why I should listen to anyone who lies as much as Trump does.
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I don't know about explaining, but I'll bet you do listen to him quite a bit, and even believe he's telling the truth about a lot of stuff.

His Word is Worthless and you damn well know it.
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I bet I can give at least three cases where you will take him at his word.
 
theprestige said:
I don't know about explaining, but I'll bet you do listen to him quite a bit, and even believe he's telling the truth about a lot of stuff.


I bet I can give at least three cases where you will take him at his word.
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So, you can respond to me after all!

I never said he lies with literally every word he says, merely that he lies often enough that his Word is Worthless.

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Belz... said:
I see you're down to gaslighting now.

"Business as usual" were your words.
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Honestly, I don't remember using those words, but I'll take your word for it. But it's still a straw man, because business as usual doesn't mean that there's no problem. Business as usual in Washington is already a problem. If you actually know anything about me, you'll know that I think government corruption is unfortunately normal. But it isn't the problem being complained about here. It isn't fascism, and it isn't dictatorship. And the constant refrain that it is cannot make it so.
 
Ziggurat said:
I'm sure the irony escapes you.
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What, because he lies all the time he must be lying when he proposes a third term?

No, it doesn't work that way and, as usual, you're being disingenuous. The actual point, were you able to find it, is lack of trust in a liar--you should be prepared for the worst.

You, on the other hand, are naive in hoping for the best.

QED
 
Again... when has Trump ever make a joke?

Not a smug comment, not a troll face, not a snarky insult but an actual honest to God human joke?
 
JoeMorgue said:
"LOL he's just joking..."
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According to Mueller, Russian efforts to hack Clinton started in earnest within 24 hours of Trump's little "Russia if you're listening..." joke. That's a real knee slapper.

Maybe "second amendment solution" was a joke too.
 
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Cabbage said:
What, because he lies all the time he must be lying when he proposes a third term?

No, it doesn't work that way and, as usual, you're being disingenuous. The actual point, were you able to find it, is lack of trust in a liar--you should be prepared for the worst.

You, on the other hand, are naive in hoping for the best.

QED
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Then let's have a bet. I bet that after Trump's second term, he won't try for a third term, you bet that he will. What say you? Obviously there isn't enough trust between us to make a money bet, but we could do an avatar bet. Winner gets to choose an avatar for the looser, and the looser has to display it for, let's say a month? How's that?
 
Ziggurat said:
Then let's have a bet. I bet that after Trump's second term, he won't try for a third term, you bet that he will. What say you? Obviously there isn't enough trust between us to make a money bet, but we could do an avatar bet. Winner gets to choose an avatar for the looser, and the looser has to display it for, let's say a month? How's that?
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Make a meaningful response to this post:

Cabbage said:
The highlighted portion is simply not accurate. Consider the following scenario:

A president breaks laws--This does not change the law, the law still exists, it was simply broken. The president's party has a majority in either the House or the Senate and chooses to turn a blind eye to the president breaking laws; this results in a failure to bring impeachment charges against the president, or a failure to convict on impeachment charges brought by the house.

No law was changed yet the president broke a law without consequence. Lather, rinse, repeat. More laws broken, no consequence, and no laws changed.

QED.

As I said before: Your logic is seriously lacking.
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...and I'll consider it.

I don't want deeper engagements with someone who dodges interactions with me in the first place.
 
applecorped said:
tds afflicts many here
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"tds" also afflicts a remarkable number of people from his own side. The depth and breadth of the pushback from his own team is astounding and unprecedented in the electronic media age, if not in all of US history.

When Trump's own appointees and staffers see him as an unhinged imbecile, that is a remarkable state of affairs.
 
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No wonder no one takes Trump seriously when everything he says is later re-classified as 'a joke'.
The one about cops beating up people they arrest was hilarious!
 
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