The Trump Presidency: Part 17

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Trebuchet said:
He now says he's building a border wall in Colorado.
Presumably New Mexico is going to pay for it.
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The Colorado governor had a great response:

“Well this is awkward,” Gov. Jared Polis tweeted on Wednesday. “Colorado doesn’t border Mexico. Good thing Colorado now offers free full day kindergarten so our kids can learn basic geography.”
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If George Carlin was still alive I'd say he should sue Trump for stealing one of his best comedy bits.
 
TofuFighter said:
We should all be pleased that a republican lawmaker has spoken out against one of trump's latest tweets:
"To call anybody human scum is beneath the office of the presidency. You can't say that, right? You're the president. You have different standards," said Rep. Adam Kinzinger, an Illinois Republican.

That said, I think some posters on the forum have probably used this term before and no one got upset about it...
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Well, I think you are right. However, don't you think there should be a difference between what some posters on an internet forum can say, and what the president of ... basically any country ... can say, in full view of the whole world?

Hans
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I think Trump knows when he's pulling a con. He might believe he's the greatest but he's knows damn well when he says no quid pro quo it's a lie. Maybe after time he changes to believing X wasn't quid pro quo because of Y, or he believes he was clever enough to get away with it and no one can prove otherwise. But some of these lies are clearly willful.
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It wasn't a QUID PRO QUO But if you want these missiles, I need you to do a favor for me. That's different. See, if it was quid pro quo, we would have said it. Since we didn't, it isn't. Got it?
 
Ziggurat said:
It's stupid hyperbole. But I don't find it offensive because of the word "lynch", and neither did almost everyone else when anyone else did the same thing until Trump decided to do it.
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This is a lie. There was widespread condemnation of Thomas using the phrase “high-tech lynching “ when he used it. The CNN opinion piece is an author using a known phrase to emphasize the wrongness of the attacks on a person.
 
jimbob said:
By pointing out the consequences of their arguments, they have actually harmed their case.
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Yeah. I don't think the slippery slope argument went over well. The other problems
with the President's argument besides the fact that nowhere in the Constitution does it say that states cannot investigate crimes that involve the President. It's also not in the DOJ memos on the subject. Trump isn't claiming executive privilege. It's not really a burden on POTUS since he isn't being subpoenaed the financial institutions he did business with are the ones providing it. And even though the lawyer argued how horrible this would be if they did this to an ordinary citizen, third parties have bedn providing this information to courts for a very long time. This would be a massive expansion of Presidential rights.

What I'm concerned about is a Republican biased court will come up with some narrow basis to reject the subpoenas so it only applies to Trump and not future Presidents. Like they did in Bush v Gore.
 
Norman Alexander said:
And it would be precious to see their faces when SCOTUS says "Sorry, guys, but the law clearly says he CAN be prosecuted."

I suspect these guys are mixing up what COULD be done with what SHOULD be done.

The DoJ have made it an internal policy that they will try not to prosecute a sitting president. It's what they think SHOULD be done...by the DoJ.

But the law of the land is that nobody is above the law, president included. So he can, legally, be prosecuted by someone. It is what COULD be done. And that is a different and most newsworthy situation.
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And that’s another reason the 25th Amendment exists.

If the president is in jail he can no longer execute the duties of the Office.
 
Trump Tweets

The Federal Reserve is derelict in its duties if it doesn’t lower the Rate and even, ideally, stimulate. Take a look around the World at our competitors. Germany and others are actually GETTING PAID to borrow money. Fed was way too fast to raise, and way too slow to cut!

Thank you to House Republicans for being tough, smart, and understanding in detail the greatest Witch Hunt in American History. It has been going on since long before I even got Elected (the Insurance Policy!). A total Scam!
 
acbytesla said:
It wasn't a QUID PRO QUO But if you want these missiles, I need you to do a favor for me. That's different. See, if it was quid pro quo, we would have said it. Since we didn't, it isn't. Got it?
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Right. Like he didn't promise to release his tax returns, even though he said he would multiple times on the campaign trail. He didn't say 'promise', so it doesn't count.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Thank you to House Republicans for being tough, smart, and understanding in detail the greatest Witch Hunt in American History. It has been going on since long before I even got Elected (the Insurance Policy!). A total Scam!
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Ok, I know Trump's spelling, grammar, knowledge, integrity and just about everything about him is poor. But does anyone know what exactly he's trying to say here?

I assume he was referring to republicans breaking the laws that they were supposed to uphold by interfering with impeachment hearings, but his wording seems more than a little... strange.
 
Belz... said:
What did they say that only applied there?
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The whole case essentially. The US Supreme Court overturned on a 5 to 4 decision the ruling of the Florida Supreme Court which allowed for a recount of the votes in 4 Florida counties. There is no valid legal reasoning that can be applied to future cases. The conservatives on the US Supreme Court just wanted to stop the court ordered recount.
 
Susheel said:
I think the reason trumpp keeps repeating "no quid quo pro" is because he is not really aware of what it actually means and since he is too lazy to look it up and too much of an arrogant doofus to ask what it means he would rather wallow in this ignorance. And how can he have done something when he has no idea what that thing is? This is also why in the very same breath he will imply that he did ask Ukraine for help. Because that is how he does business and "people have always said" what a great business man he is.
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I reject this. What he's actually doing is much the same as what he's done with stuff like the term "fake news." He knows that just about nothing he calls fake news is actually factually incorrect or otherwise wrong and has made that clear a number of times. He's just using his total redefinition of the term that renders it virtually powerless, while playing on the inherent legitimacy of the language to make it easy to fool those already well primed to be tricked on that front and thus making the gaslighting he's engaging in so much more effective.

Fast Eddie B said:
The Republican antics yesterday, storming a lawful congressional deposition, sicken and alarm me.
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As they certainly should for all of us. But then... the direction that the GOP has been heading for a while has been all too sickeningly clear. Nazis are invoked because they're a powerful image of one of the greatest horrors that supremacism combined with a similar situation has wrought and because many of the tactics being used are the exact same. It's not hard to poke at a number of the important factors, really, most of which have their effects diluted to some extent because of the very real differences between pre-Nazi Germany and the current US, but there's still a lot of reason to be seriously concerned as that seems to be just slowing the trend, rather than preventing or stopping it. Until those important similarities are dealt with, it's not likely that it'll stop, either, I think.

acbytesla said:
It wasn't a QUID PRO QUO But if you want these missiles, I need you to do a favor for me. That's different. See, if it was quid pro quo, we would have said it. Since we didn't, it isn't. Got it?
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No quid pro quo? Right, it was open and obvious extortion.

In other news...

ICE wipes surveillance video that showed final days of trans asylum-seeker who died under custody

ICE is out of control.
 
acbytesla said:
The whole case essentially. The US Supreme Court overturned on a 5 to 4 decision the ruling of the Florida Supreme Court which allowed for a recount of the votes in 4 Florida counties. There is no valid legal reasoning that can be applied to future cases. The conservatives on the US Supreme Court just wanted to stop the court ordered recount.
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Thus, in the end, fairly certainly outright stealing the victory for the Republicans, especially when looked at in combination with the various other GOP shenanigans, like the voter purge in heavily Democratic areas that purged quite a lot of Democrats on the basis that their names were similar to that of a felon's, rather than any actual legal basis. Similarly, the rank hypocrisy and double standards that Republican Party representatives employed in just about everything surrounding the recount.
 
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Fast Eddie B said:
The Republican antics yesterday, storming a lawful congressional deposition, sicken and alarm me.
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I heard an assertion that they also took photos of documents in an effort to find the name of the whistleblower.

If I were a Democrat on the committee, I would make up a name and type up some documents indicating that this fictional name was the whistleblower. The next time the Republicans engage in this thuggish behavior, let them photograph the documents. Once they leak the name, point out where they got it from.
 
So, remember all those condos and other properties that had been branded 'Trump' that ended up removing his name because they didn't want to be associated with a racist?

Well, add a few New York stating rinks to the list...

From: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-name-removed-from-his-new-york-ice-rinks-report-2019-10
Donald Trump's name has been removed or hidden from the branding at the New York City ice rinks which have for decades borne his name...

So who was responsible? Who is the owner of the rinks that considered the Trump name to be so toxic that they would want to remove his name?

The Trump Organization has run the rinks since the 1980s...

Oh. So the Trump Organization thinks the Trump name is bad for business.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Trump lawyers heavily rely on the fact that many white collar crimes require the perpetrator to be aware that what they are doing is wrongillegal. Because Trump is so open about his crimes and because he has been doing them all his life, he is effectively immune to many charges that would land a more careful person in jail for decades.
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Fixed that for you.
Legal/illegal and right/wrong are often two different concepts. It's only legal or illegal that matter in statute law. A business action can be wrong and immoral as hell, but if it's not illegal it does not matter in court.
My attorney sister would yell at me if I let that error pass.
 
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What I find obnoxious about the pro Trumpers here is the way they try to normalize Trump's behavior.
Their hand waving away of all the stupid things Trump says is an example."Yeah, he says a lot of stupid things, but so what? Just look at what he does" is an incredibly dumb argument. What the POTUS says matters.
 
Guys, guys you're missing the obvious way this makes perfect sense.

It's a really big fence, as wide as New Mexico. Ain't no dirty brown furriner getting across that!
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Trump lawyers heavily rely on the fact that many white collar crimes require the perpetrator to be aware that what they are doing is wrong. Because Trump is so open about his crimes and because he has been doing them all his life, he is effectively immune to many charges that would land a more careful person in jail for decades.
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dudalb said:
Fixed that for you.
Legal/illegal and right/wrong are often two different concepts. It's only legal or illegal that matter in statute law.
My attorney sister would yell at me if I let that error pass.
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It's a huge mistake to think this is about legality even though I would imagine it clearly is a violation of election laws.

The question is does it qualify as a high crime under the US Constitution which is something entirely different. Criminality is not required. Is it an abuse of the power the voters entrusted in the President?

I really don't see how anyone with a conscience can argue it isn't. I don't think that any Republican would have said it was OK for Obama or Clinton to extort a foreign government so they could smear their political opposition. I mean these are the same Republicans who spent two years climbing up Hillary's ass because she did what we all do which is cleaning out our email boxes.
 
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Armitage72 said:
An MLB umpire Tweeted that he's buying an AR-15 "because if you impeach MY PRESIDENT this way, YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER CIVAL WAR!!! #MAGA2020"

He sounds like a very reasonable and even-tempered man.
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At least he wasn't promoting violence on American soil.

But why would he want America to go to war against some archaeological site in Guatemala? After all, the Mayan civilization isn't around anymore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cival
 
Segnosaur said:
At least he wasn't promoting violence on American soil.

But why would he want America to go to war against some archaeological site in Guatemala? After all, the Mayan civilization isn't around anymore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cival
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Perhaps he meant "civet". Trendy exotic pets are terrible, but I don't think we've recovered adequately from the first three Civet Wars to consider another.
 
Aridas said:
I reject this. What he's actually doing is much the same as what he's done with stuff like the term "fake news." He knows that just about nothing he calls fake news is actually factually incorrect or otherwise wrong and has made that clear a number of times. He's just using his total redefinition of the term that renders it virtually powerless, while playing on the inherent legitimacy of the language to make it easy to fool those already well primed to be tricked on that front and thus making the gaslighting he's engaging in so much more effective.
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See also hypnotic repetition and crooked Hillary, no collusion, etc.
 
The Shrike said:
See also hypnotic repetition and crooked Hillary, no collusion, etc.
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I think he might believe that 2-5 syllable are best for conveying a message to the American public. Short aphorisms are easy to remember and are easy to chant.

I suppose that some might argue that there is no issue so complex that the right perspective on it cannot be communicated to hoi polloi in just five syllables.

ETA
others have speculated that Trump will be a college level course in the near future.
I’m picturing
Trump 101 Paying bills is for losers
Trump 102 The campaign
Trump 201 The first year
Trump 202 Mr. Toad’s wild ride
Trump 301 ????
 
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Ladewig said:
I think he might believe that 2-5 syllable are best for conveying a message to the American public. Short aphorisms are easy to remember and are easy to chant.

I suppose that some might argue that there is no issue so complex that the right perspective on it cannot be communicated to hoi polloi in just five syllables.
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That's why the Right is so focused in the last few years on being "Technically Correct."

Trump can stand on a stage and say the Rustbelt states have the lowest unemployment in decades and not be technically lying.

A Democrat has to counter that with a long and detailed breakdown of underemployment, wage stagnation, inflation, cost of living, the numbers being skewed by people just giving up and not looking for jobs, the raise of the working poor, people holding multiple jobs, people staying at home later in life, etc, etc, etc.

Trump wins because by the time the Democrats get done explaining why he's wrong nobody cares.
 
dudalb said:
Trump is the most ignorant man ever to hold the presidency.
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I don't know if that is true and I don't think you do either. I'm not saying you're wrong. Neither Buchanan or Harding was considered to be very smart. But he definitely falls in the top 5.

Or is that the bottom 5?
 
dudalb said:
TRrump is now using the "just kidding" excuse for his Colorado remark.
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What was the joke, then? The only way this would be funny (other than the obvious) would be as some sort of self-deprecating aside. This piece of **** doesn't do self-deprecation.
 
Resume said:
What was the joke, then? The only way this would be funny (other than the obvious) would be as some sort of self-deprecating aside. This piece of **** doesn't do self-deprecation.
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And I lost count a long time ago, of the number of times he makes a stupid statement and then tries to pass if off as making a joke.
 
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