GOP Party of Fascism.

Your side saying that is like the Nazis in Germany decrying "violent Jews" for fighting against being sent to Auschwitz.

I don't have a side Genius.... both options suck, I'm pointing out the fallacies of your side, the other side's are self evident, but not quite fascist. Liberalism needs an oppressor of the minorities in order to Crusade for their Orwellians desires. Trump trolls the populace and plays them against each other to some degree.
 
To accept an absolute dictatorship, there would need to be one to accept. And there isn't. The proof is right here on this board. Nobody here talks as if Trump were an actual dictator. People living in actual dictatorships don't talk this way. It's all just pretense.


Yeah, and I already responded to this in post 174.
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Something a bit amusing is that if the reporting is correct, this argument has brought the DOJ memo about the Presidential 'immunity' from prosecution into question by the court. It might not survive for long.

The Supreme Court usually decides on a narrow basis rather than a wide basis. I don't see why they'd come to a decision on whether the president can be indicted on federal charges when the question here is whether he can be investigated on state or local charges.
 
No. That's a solution that will cause more problems than it fixes. We already saw that with Clinton.

Hmmm. Are you saying the Founders were *wrong* to enshrine in the Constitution a remedy against a rogue or criminal or dangerous President? We *only* can and must wait up to as much as 3+ years to elect out of office such an unfit person?
 
Hmmm. Are you saying the Founders were *wrong* to enshrine in the Constitution a remedy against a rogue or criminal or dangerous President? We *only* can and must wait up to as much as 3+ years to elect out of office such an unfit person?

No. I'm saying the current situation doesn't rise to the level of needing that remedy.
 
No. I'm saying the current situation doesn't rise to the level of needing that remedy.

Aaaaaaand full fringe reset. Now Ziggurat is going to act like Donald Trump is some new entity that we haven't been observing and laying out our issues with for the last... it seems lot longer then the 2 and a half, 3ish years it's been.

It's a full Jabba routine. Pretend like your opponents haven't made any arguments, not even arguments you don't agree with just act like they haven't said anything, and start from scratch every time you're argued into a corner.
 
The proposal wasn't serious. That's not a violation of the oath of office.

I don't find his defense that it was a joke credible.

He says it on Twitter. That is an official channel for policy and positions.
 
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Aaaaaaand full fringe reset. Now Ziggurat is going to act like Donald Trump is some new entity that we haven't been observing and laying out our issues with for the last... it seems lot longer then the 2 and a half, 3ish years it's been.

It's a full Jabba routine. Pretend like your opponents haven't made any arguments, not even arguments you don't agree with just act like they haven't said anything, and start from scratch every time you're argued into a corner.

Amen!
 
No. I'm saying the current situation doesn't rise to the level of needing that remedy.

Okay, what would? He has displayed contempt for federal judges and the legal process, he has advised subordinates that if they break the law on his orders he will pardon them, he has demanded that foreign powers hurt his political adversaries under threat of withholding aid appropriated by Congress, he has used his government position to promote his business interests, he has accepted payments from foreign powers, he has claimed and believes that the Constitution allows him to do anything he wants, he allowed Erdogan and Putin to dictate American Mideast policy, and much more.

At what point does impeachment become the appropriate remedy, especially considering that under current laws and policies it is the only available remedy?
 
Okay, what would?

If he shot someone in the middle of 5th avenue.

At what point does impeachment become the appropriate remedy, especially considering that under current laws and policies it is the only available remedy?

It's not the only available remedy. Voters could also vote him out of office. That's coming up pretty soon.
 
High bar there dude.

The problem with trying to be very specific is that you and I don't view past events the same way. I can give some standard which I don't think Trump's actions have met, but you do. So it's just going to devolve into the same old fights about what Trump has done.
 
The problem with trying to be very specific is that you and I don't view past events the same way. I can give some standard which I don't think Trump's actions have met, but you do. So it's just going to devolve into the same old fights about what Trump has done.

No the problem is there is no "specific" that will satisfy you.

You're standing in the middle of the Pacific and you're demanding to be shown the "Wet" and you've fringe resetted back to acting like "Here's the wet, it's all around you, it's literally everywhere" is a discussion we haven't already had.

This whole obtuse act where you don't disagree with other people's opinion of why Trump is bad, no you have the utter gal to sit and act like we've never done it, as if we haven't laid out or reasons, even if you disagree with them, in full on reality denial.

There reaches a point in discourse where you are so wrong you have achieved functional rudeness. By continuing to sit there, Jabba like, demanding your opponents go through the motions of repeating their concerns over and over only to have them not even counter or dismissed but full on ignored so you can keep forcing the discussion to start back at square one is well beyond that point.

"Why Trump is bad" is a point that has been goddamn made. You get sit there and achieve the insane level of reality denial necessary to argue that's wrong, but stop sitting there pretending the point hasn't been made yet.

This why your and your tag team partner's constant faux-civil bleating pleas for "OH lordy I'm just wanting a civil debate" can take a hike.
 
This whole obtuse act where you don't disagree with other people's opinion of why Trump is bad, no you have the utter gal to sit and act like we've never done it, as if we haven't laid out or reasons, even if you disagree with them, in full on reality denial.

I just said that all of this has been gone over before. How is that a denial that you've already made your case?

There reaches a point in discourse where you are so wrong you have achieved functional rudeness.

Your complaint is ultimately that I refuse to agree with you. And you seem to think that the longer I continue to disagree with you, the ruder I am. It doesn't work that way.

"Why Trump is bad" is a point that has been goddamn made. You get sit there and achieve the insane level of reality denial necessary to argue that's wrong, but stop sitting there pretending the point hasn't been made yet.

Are you really that bad at reading comprehension? This is exactly the opposite of what I said.
 
This thread should be merged with the “GOP is uniquely bad” thread. It’s the same exact “argument.”

In fact, this whole “GOP is fascist/Trump is a dictator” angle is, IMHO, an example of a left-wing conspiracy theory that I’ve been told in the other thread doesn’t exist. Well, it exists and here it is on display.
 
Hmmm. Are you saying the Founders were *wrong* to enshrine in the Constitution a remedy against a rogue or criminal or dangerous President? We *only* can and must wait up to as much as 3+ years to elect out of office such an unfit person?

They enshrined another method as well. The same one they used on King George.
 
In fact, this whole “GOP is fascist/Trump is a dictator” angle is, IMHO, an example of a left-wing conspiracy theory that I’ve been told in the other thread doesn’t exist. Well, it exists and here it is on display.

It's not a conspiracy theory. It's an assertion.
 
You know that the planks that trump stands on are all neo nazi ones. It would be funny if a reporter asked him what he thought of Goebbels. And I would know. I am sure he would say who? But serious every position and statement he takes squares with them
 
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This thread should be merged with the “GOP is uniquely bad” thread. It’s the same exact “argument.”

In fact, this whole “GOP is fascist/Trump is a dictator” angle is, IMHO, an example of a left-wing conspiracy theory that I’ve been told in the other thread doesn’t exist. Well, it exists and here it is on display.


I'd like to see you produce that post telling you that it does not exist.
 
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Most conspiracy theories are both.

conspiracy theories are claims. But for this particular claim no conspiracy required. Just some people thinking the GOP is fascist and Trump wants to be dictator.

I don't think Trump wants to be dictator, but I think if everything was already in place in this political system to allow him absolute authority he'd take advantage of it like nothing we've ever seen.
 
If you're making a distinction between "claim" and "assertion", then there's probably no way this conversation is ever going to work for both of us at the same time. I'll leave you to it.

No. And I didn't mean it that way I was using them synonymously.

I was trying to say not all assertions like that are conspiracy theories. Like how people often lazily call UFO stories and urban legends "conspiracy theories".
 
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No. I'm saying the current situation doesn't rise to the level of needing that remedy.

Liberals: "Trump is bad!"
Conservatives: "Sure, but he's not uniquely bad, so no worries."
Liberals: "Look, that's uniquely bad.."
Conservatives: "Hyperbole!"

Rinse, repeat.

There's no way to win because the game is rigged. You guys have made it impossible to ever pass that 'danger' threshold.
 
If he shot someone in the middle of 5th avenue.

It's not the only available remedy. Voters could also vote him out of office. That's coming up pretty soon.

How about if he refuses to accept the results of the election and the GOP supports him?

Would that rise to the level of needing that remedy?
 
You know that the planks that trump stands on are all neo nazi ones. It would be funny if a reporter asked him what he thought of Goebbels. And I would know. I am sure he would say who? But serious every position and statement he takes squares with them

What I would find funny is if someone asked what he thought of Premier Hynkel congratulating him on his strong leadership, with a follow-up question about Tomania's treatment of its Jewish minority.
 
How about if he refuses to accept the results of the election and the GOP supports him? Would that rise to the level of needing that remedy?

No, because if that happens, the pro-Trump posters won't accept the results either.
 
How about if he refuses to accept the results of the election and the GOP supports him?

Would that rise to the level of needing that remedy?

If he loses an election, then he isn't president anymore. You don't impeach someone who isn't in office anymore, that makes no sense, even if he thinks he's still in office.
 
No, because if that happens, the pro-Trump posters won't accept the results either.

"You see technically Trump isn't in a third term because both of his feet never hit the floor outside the ring and Presidential terms only count if they are carried out in a specific region of Southern France...."
 

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