2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker - Part II

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Brainster said:
This. Kelly has an awesome resume. But his candidacy is really single-issue (gun control), and he's up against another awesome resume in McSalley. I don't see how he overcomes the gun control label in AZ.
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She's already lost to a Democrat once. But we'll see.
 
Good Lord. McSally wanted *all* background checks abolished. Then she looked deep into her soul and decided that wasn't great campaign strategy.
 
theprestige said:
Oh, okay. Thanks for keeping track of this.
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Whose keeping track? There are actually quite a few articles about this subject. Trump comparing people to dogs as a pejorative touches a nerve for many.

People are weird. Right, left or center, the majority of people like dogs and many of them prefer them to people. So much so, they might be hardly bothered if they read about humans being abused but they become outraged if a dog is.
 
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acbytesla said:
Whose keeping track?
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Who's*.

There are actually quite a few articles about this subject.
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Sorry. I didn't mean to suggest you were personally tabulating all the times he's used the term. Just that you happen to have a list of such uses, probably because there's quite a few articles for you to reference, and you're... keeping track of them?

Trump comparing people to dogs as a pejorative touches a nerve for many.
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Everything Trump does touches a nerve for many. Even innocuous stuff.

People are weird. Right, left or center, the majority of people like dogs and many of them prefer them to people. So much so, they might be hardly bothered if they read about humans being abused but they become outraged if a dog is.
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I swing both ways. I'm comfortable both with appreciating dogs for all their superior qualities to humans, and also with figures of speech that use allusions to dogs as a pejorative.
 
theprestige said:
Who's*.
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Correct. I thought knew better than to make that mistake. Apparently, I was wrong.

theprestige said:
Sorry. I didn't mean to suggest you were personally tabulating all the times he's used the term. Just that you happen to have a list of such uses, probably because there's quite a few articles for you to reference, and you're... keeping track of them?
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There is this thing called a search engine. You should try it sometime.

theprestige said:
I swing both ways.
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Too much information.
 
acbytesla said:
It's called a joke.
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I understand that it was a joke. But we were having a conversation. I was explaining my view, that it's both possible and reasonable to have positive and negative figures of speech involving dogs and comparisons to dogs. I attached a little bit of humor to my point. You latched onto the humor, and ignored the point. I wish you had engaged with the point, as well as making the joke. Ignoring the point makes your joke a little too on the nose, perhaps.
 
theprestige said:
I understand that it was a joke. But we were having a conversation. I was explaining my view, that it's both possible and reasonable to have positive and negative figures of speech involving dogs and comparisons to dogs. I attached a little bit of humor to my point. You latched onto the humor, and ignored the point. I wish you had engaged with the point, as well as making the joke. Ignoring the point makes your joke a little too on the nose, perhaps.
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On the dog's nose?
 
theprestige said:
I understand that it was a joke. But we were having a conversation. I was explaining my view, that it's both possible and reasonable to have positive and negative figures of speech involving dogs and comparisons to dogs. I attached a little bit of humor to my point. You latched onto the humor, and ignored the point. I wish you had engaged with the point, as well as making the joke. Ignoring the point makes your joke a little too on the nose, perhaps.
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It just goes to show what happens when you throw the ball down the middle of the plate. Someone is going to hit it.

I got the point. But who uses dogs as a pejorative? Someone who hates dogs I guess. "Work like a dog" and "loyal as a dog" I've heard, but those expressions are not negative.
 
acbytesla said:
It just goes to show what happens when you throw the ball down the middle of the plate. Someone is going to hit it.

I got the point. But who uses dogs as a pejorative? Someone who hates dogs I guess. "Work like a dog" and "loyal as a dog" I've heard, but those expressions are not negative.
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I think that's reading too much into it. I've used "shoot down like a dog" and "slunk away like a dog" but I like dogs. Expressions are handy linguistic constructs, there isn't always much significance in their employment. I don't believe in any deities but my speech includes expressions like "godforsaken" and exclamations referencing various mythological figures.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I think that's reading too much into it. I've used "shoot down like a dog" and "slunk away like a dog" but I like dogs. Expressions are handy linguistic constructs, there isn't always much significance in their employment. I don't believe in any deities but my speech includes expressions like "godforsaken" and exclamations referencing various mythological figures.
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Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I really don't care that Trump hates dogs although it is hardly surprising. It's that he hates people or at least anyone who refuses to stroke him that I find despicable.

I too ABSOLUTELY don't believe in any deities and yet find myself using references to God. I mean what else are you going to say during sex?
 
theprestige said:
Everything Trump does touches a nerve for many. Even innocuous stuff.
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Sure. Keep telling yourself that as you try to minimize the impact of the mountain of legitimate issues with Trump.

acbytesla said:
I got the point. But who uses dogs as a pejorative? Someone who hates dogs I guess. "Work like a dog" and "loyal as a dog" I've heard, but those expressions are not negative.
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A lot of people use it as a pejorative worldwide, and have for a very long time. The really short underlying insult, of course, is that it's saying that someone doesn't qualify as human. That they're a lesser being for whatever arbitrary reason.

Anyways, other stuff!

Terrified Of Warren, Wall St. Donors Now Threatening To Withhold Donations To Senate Dem Candidates

Unpleasant, but... they're certainly showing where their priorities are.
 
Warren and Sanders should take all the money Wall Street will give them - and then regulate the heck out of them anyway.
 
theprestige said:
Quick question: Is using "like a dog" as a pejorative one of the legitimate issues?
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That, specifically, no, though it's entirely understandable that someone who hasn't been notably exposed to such previously might find themselves a bit mystified and offended.

That, as President, he's been using it to lie about and attack numerous people? Yes. That has more to do with larger concerns about honesty, civility, proper use of power, and so on, though. Admittedly, civility is effectively gone as a consideration after the extended campaign by Republican propagandists to set incredible double standards on what's civil.

Skeptic Ginger said:
They?

There's not a single name listed except Leon Cooperman.
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This is hardly the first piece of news related to Wall Street.

Skeptic Ginger said:
And are we supposed to believe they supported Democratic candidates that weren't DINOs?
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Mmm. I'm not a huge fan of the term "DINO," myself, so I'll admit that I'm probably not the best person to try to answer that.
 
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FOX and Friends Makes a Damn Good Argument to Vote for Democrats - No, REALLY!

Earhardt: I don't understand how that message ... how she [Elizabeth Warren] is doing so well with that message. That message is saying "You have more than I do. I'm jealous of yours. I wanna take some of what you have."
Steve Doocy: But if you don't have anything, that's a very potent message, believe me.
Earhardt: But that's not the American way. The American way is to work your tail off. Keep working. Say yes, say yes. Work weekends, work nights, work your way to the top.
Doocy: I get that. But if you have worked really hard and you still don't have anything ... I mean, I've been to the Bernie Sanders rallies where there are a lot of people who need help. You know, they didn't have health care. They have problems with college tuition. And things like that. So for the Democratic message ... "Look, you don't have anything. The government is going to make sure that the most successful people pay extra so you can get a hand up." That is very powerful. That's why you look at the number of people with that point of view, you add up all the people that support that, it's a big number.
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If they can at least understand that, it's a start! It's Fox, so they don't even remotely capture the actual essence of what the Democrats are actually saying, of course, but acknowledging that their wild distortion of "the American Way" just doesn't work for a huge number of people is notable. That certainly does break from one of the treasured conservative myths that they use to try to prop up the utter BS that they do.

Also, looks like Ayanna Pressley chose to endorse Warren, unlike the rest of the Squad.
 
Kamala Harris proposes to keep kids in school until 6:00 PM, and throughout the summer as well:

Each recipient school would receive up to $5 million dollars over five years to keep their doors open from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m., with no closures except for weekends, federal holidays, and emergencies. Professional development, parent-teacher conferences, and the like would have to happen, at minimum, alongside a full day of enrichment activities. At the end of the five years, the Education Department would publish a report documenting the best practices, as well as changes in parental employment, student performance, and teacher retention rates to be used to inform a future broader program.
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I presume she is talking about paying the teachers more to work the extra hours and the summer?
 
Brainster said:
Kamala Harris proposes to keep kids in school until 6:00 PM, and throughout the summer as well:



I presume she is talking about paying the teachers more to work the extra hours and the summer?
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I’m always suspicious of unsourced quotes. Where is this from?
 
theprestige said:
Mother Jones:

https://www.motherjones.com/politic...-work-day-kamala-harris-wants-to-change-that/

Not sure where they got it from, but I found it by searching for "Each recipient school would receive" - the first five words of the "quoted" passage. Best practice would probably have been to search for that plus "Harris", but it wasn't strictly necessary this time.
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Yep, sorry it was my bad not including the link in the post. I thought I had inserted it but hadn't.
 
theprestige said:
Mother Jones:

https://www.motherjones.com/politic...-work-day-kamala-harris-wants-to-change-that/

Not sure where they got it from, but I found it by searching for "Each recipient school would receive" - the first five words of the "quoted" passage. Best practice would probably have been to search for that plus "Harris", but it wasn't strictly necessary this time.
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Brainster said:
Yep, sorry it was my bad not including the link in the post. I thought I had inserted it but hadn't.
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Okay. Thanks to both of you.
 
From the Fox quote above:
Earhardt:... That message is saying "You have more than I do. I'm jealous of yours. I wanna take some of what you have."...

Earhardt: But that's not the American way. The American way is to work your tail off. Keep working. Say yes, say yes. Work weekends, work nights, work your way to the top.
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Yeah right, like they all worked so hard to get rich.:rolleyes:


From Wiki:
Earhardt was hired as a reporter for WLTX-News 19, the local CBS station in Columbia, South Carolina, before she graduated from USC. ...

... She moved to New York City and began at Fox News Channel in 2007.[4] Earhardt has stated that she "did not know the first thing about politics" before she was hired by Roger Ailes to work at Fox News.
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Sounds like an easy means to money. Certainly doesn't sound like she: "Say yes, say yes. Work weekends, work nights, work your way to the top" unless that was, say yes to Ailes.
 
Brainster said:
This. Kelly has an awesome resume. But his candidacy is really single-issue (gun control), and he's up against another awesome resume in McSalley. I don't see how he overcomes the gun control label in AZ.
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Huh? Ok, a ground breaking female pilot. Good for her. Other than that, she's lost half the elections she's run in and is only a senator because she was appointed to the post. She LOST in her one run at a senate seat.

If that's awesome, then so am I.
 
Sanders genuinely wants to help people. He has shown great character and moral leadership for his entire life. In a time when it's so hard for people to trust politicians I think his sort of consistent message and compassion for the well being of others is why Bernie is the best candidate.

This is a video that shows what Bernie is really all about vs the negatives portrayed of him sometimes in the media.

 
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The_Animus said:
Sanders genuinely wants to help people. He has shown great character and moral leadership for his entire life. In a time when it's so hard for people to trust politicians I think his sort of consistent message and compassion for the well being of others is why Bernie is the best candidate.

This is a video that shows what Bernie is really all about vs the negatives portrayed of him sometimes in the media.

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Which leaves open the question of whether Bernie's programs would work.Good intentions are not enough.

But keep working for Sanders and get Trump reelected.
 
dudalb said:
Which leaves open the question of whether Bernie's programs would work.Good intentions are not enough.

But keep working for Sanders and get Trump reelected.
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I keep fluctuating back and forth on Warren. All three in the top tier have wide open targets on their backs that make me nervous.
 
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