Nikki Haley memoir says Tillerson, Kelly tried to undermine Trump

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Nikki Haley claims top aides tried to recruit her to ‘save the country’ by undermining Trump

Two of President Trump’s senior advisers undermined and ignored him in what they claimed was an effort to “save the country,” former United Nations ambassador Nikki Haley claims in a new memoir.

Former secretary of state Rex Tillerson and former White House chief of staff John F. Kelly sought to recruit her to work around and subvert Trump, but she refused, Haley writes in a new book, “With All Due Respect,” which also describes Tillerson as “exhausting” and imperious and Kelly as suspicious of her access to Trump.

“Kelly and Tillerson confided in me that when they resisted the president, they weren’t being insubordinate, they were trying to save the country,” Haley wrote.

“It was their decisions, not the president’s, that were in the best interests of America, they said. The president didn’t know what he was doing,” Haley wrote of the views the two men held.
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According to the article, the book is to be released on Tuesday.

In the book, which was obtained by The Washington Post ahead of its release Tuesday, Haley offers only glancing critiques of her former boss, saying she and others who worked for Trump had an obligation to carry out his wishes since he was the one elected by voters.

The former South Carolina governor, widely viewed by Republicans as a top potential presidential candidate in 2024, has repeatedly sought to minimize differences with Trump while distancing herself from his excesses. Haley, 47, writes that she backed most of the foreign policy decisions by Trump that others tried to block or slow down, including withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal and the Paris climate accord and the relocation of the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.
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Hmmm, positioning herself to run for president in 2024 by embracing Trump?
 
Puppycow said:
Nikki Haley claims top aides tried to recruit her to ‘save the country’ by undermining Trump



According to the article, the book is to be released on Tuesday.



Hmmm, positioning herself to run for president in 2024 by embracing Trump?
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Haley wasn't at all concerned that the C of Staff and the Sec. of State were so worried about Trump's behavior that they came to her with their concerns that he'd end up destroying the country? Sorry, Nikki, but that does not reflect well on YOU, as far as I'm concerned.
 
Stacyhs said:
Haley wasn't at all concerned that the C of Staff and the Sec. of State were so worried about Trump's behavior that they came to her with their concerns that he'd end up destroying the country? Sorry, Nikki, but that does not reflect well on YOU, as far as I'm concerned.
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It continues to astonish that previously intelligent, responsible people seem to think Trump was elected Emperor.
 
Sounds like they were real Americans and Haley threw her lot in with Trump and the traitors to their nation around her.
 
all that Nikki Haley had to do to go down in GOP history as a loyal person to the general cause was to keep her mouth shut and profile low until after the Trump Presidency - she was going to be a shoo-in for the next Cabinet and after that ...


but if she wants to go down with the sinking ship...
 
And Trump is flogging her book on twitter. (I'll spare you the link.)

In the WaPo interview she endorsed him for reelection, in case there's any doubt.
 
So much for the "Nikki Haley is the anonymous NYT deep"steady state" resistance piece author" theory.
 
What this stupid Magascum bitch fails to grasp is that undermining Trump is patriotism. She acting like the best thing you can do for your country right now is somehow wrong.
 
Craig4 said:
What this stupid Magascum bitch fails to grasp is that undermining Trump is patriotism. She acting like the best thing you can do for your country right now is somehow wrong.
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The American public overwhelmingly voted for President Trump (for certain values of overwhelming) so any attempt to prevent, frustrate or even moderate anything he wishes to do is an attempt to subvert democracy by denying the will of the people.

Doing anything other than what President Trump tells you you is tantamount to treason.

I think that's how the logic works..
 
Puppycow said:
And Trump is flogging her book on twitter. (I'll spare you the link.)

In the WaPo interview she endorsed him for reelection, in case there's any doubt.
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Stupid MAGA ****. If the dump bitch was a real American she'd have joined Tillerson and Kelly.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Rumor has it Haley's angling to be Trump's VP choice, hence the bootlicking.
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CNN has an opinion piece suggesting the same thing.

"I think the biggest thing that bothers me is the American people should decide this," Haley said. "Why do we have a bunch of people in Congress making this decision?"
Is this former Trump administration official and governor of South Carolina suffering from amnesia? Or did she somehow make it to the highest ranks of government without realizing the Constitution says it is ​precisely the job of Congress to impeach?
Or could it be that Haley is playing political chess and auditioning for the role of Trump's new vice president, or even eyeing the Oval Office? Putting aside the fact that she does have a book to promote, this would answer why she is coming out of the woodwork now to defend the President during what is arguably the greatest crisis of his presidency.
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I don't get why she went all in with him. She's young enough that she would be a presidential hopeful for at least another 20 years. She can do TV appearances, probably get the SC Senate seat that Tim Scott is retiring from. She could have held down a cabinet spot in another republican's administration, even be VP. There is no need for her to have to hitch her wagon to Stupid to stay in the picture.
 
Armitage72 said:
CNN has an opinion piece suggesting the same thing.
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Political chess? Can we please stop acting like these people are some kind of genius?

It doesn't take a genius to blow dog whistles and use logical fallacies to confuse people.

Its not an abundance of brains, its a dearth of character.
 
Donal said:
I don't get why she went all in with him. She's young enough that she would be a presidential hopeful for at least another 20 years. She can do TV appearances, probably get the SC Senate seat that Tim Scott is retiring from. She could have held down a cabinet spot in another republican's administration, even be VP. There is no need for her to have to hitch her wagon to Stupid to stay in the picture.
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That presumes that being associated with President Trump won't be an electoral asset in 2024. If he's reelected in 2020, it could be a very shrewd move on her part.
 
Donal said:
I don't get why she went all in with him. She's young enough that she would be a presidential hopeful for at least another 20 years. She can do TV appearances, probably get the SC Senate seat that Tim Scott is retiring from. She could have held down a cabinet spot in another republican's administration, even be VP. There is no need for her to have to hitch her wagon to Stupid to stay in the picture.
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Even though I once thought fairly well of Haley, apparently she believes the nationalist guff that Trump is spreading. It's compelling to think that "America first" is a step forward, even though America became great by putting itself on the world stage in the first place.

Anyway, I think Haley is principled, but her principles are misguided. I don't think her self-interest plays the larger part in everything she does.
 
I heard a snippet of an interview with her on NPR this morning. "Principled" is not what I'd call her; "opportunistic" would be more accurate IMO. She's clearly all-in with Trump, and announced that she will be campaigning for him in 2020, and will not be seeking office herself. We'll see how that plays out.
 
luchog said:
I heard a snippet of an interview with her on NPR this morning. "Principled" is not what I'd call her; "opportunistic" would be more accurate IMO. She's clearly all-in with Trump, and announced that she will be campaigning for him in 2020, and will not be seeking office herself. We'll see how that plays out.
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A trump supporter having principles, please, the idea is an obscenity.
 
Donal said:
I don't get why she went all in with him. She's young enough that she would be a presidential hopeful for at least another 20 years. She can do TV appearances, probably get the SC Senate seat that Tim Scott is retiring from. She could have held down a cabinet spot in another republican's administration, even be VP. There is no need for her to have to hitch her wagon to Stupid to stay in the picture.
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If she was a Democrat Trump would be questioning her citizenship.
 
Craig4 said:
Sounds like they were real Americans and Haley threw her lot in with Trump and the traitors to their nation around her.
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They were pieces of **** as well. Make no mistake. Even in "undermining" him in secret they were propping him up.

We have solutions for an incompetent President. The 25th, impeachment and the ballot box. By rallying under the illusion that it was at all acceptable to have Trump in the white house, every republican who knew better was propping up the rest of the GOP.

The sheer ego to say "Damn the constitution and communicating this problem clearly to the voters, we'll use tricks to undermine the legal order of power because we know what's truly best for the country".

The whole idea that the country would be well served to pretend the emperor was wearing clothes and keep us safe from the inside is just ridiculous. If all of the GOP who actually know that Trump is incompetent and has been breaking the law had been the public voice of reason in their party instead of their clandestine efforts, we could've avoided confirming Barr and had an impeachment over obstruction a long time ago.

This blood is on their hands, even moreso than the idiot republicans who actually think Trump is great.
 
Cavemonster said:
They were pieces of **** as well. Make no mistake. Even in "undermining" him in secret they were propping him up.

We have solutions for an incompetent President. The 25th, impeachment and the ballot box. By rallying under the illusion that it was at all acceptable to have Trump in the white house, every republican who knew better was propping up the rest of the GOP.

The sheer ego to say "Damn the constitution and communicating this problem clearly to the voters, we'll use tricks to undermine the legal order of power because we know what's truly best for the country".

The whole idea that the country would be well served to pretend the emperor was wearing clothes and keep us safe from the inside is just ridiculous. If all of the GOP who actually know that Trump is incompetent and has been breaking the law had been the public voice of reason in their party instead of their clandestine efforts, we could've avoided confirming Barr and had an impeachment over obstruction a long time ago.

This blood is on their hands, even moreso than the idiot republicans who actually think Trump is great.
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All true. However, the 25th Amendment wasn't on the table then or now. Tillerson and Kelly did what was in the realm of the possible at the time.
 
Being on Trump's good side will always be an asset in future elections, but there is no need whatsoever to risk your reputation now by supporting him: Trump will always say nice things about you when you say nice things about him.
Haley could have started praising Trump one day before announcing her Candidacy, and she would have gotten his full support.
Going all-in now is not going to help her with anything.
 
Craig4 said:
What this stupid Magascum bitch fails to grasp is that undermining Trump is patriotism. She acting like the best thing you can do for your country right now is somehow wrong.
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There are no honorable people in the Trump administration. Slow-walking his worst orders is probably a net good thing, but the right thing to do would be to resign in protest and publicly discuss why.

These people trying to keep a grip on power while simultaneously manage Trump are still complicit.
 
Stacyhs said:
Haley wasn't at all concerned that the C of Staff and the Sec. of State were so worried about Trump's behavior that they came to her with their concerns that he'd end up destroying the country? Sorry, Nikki, but that does not reflect well on YOU, as far as I'm concerned.
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I wonder if she told anybody about this at the time, or just saved it for a book deal.

If she thought it was treason, she should have done something about it.
 
I think it's telling that Haley uses the word "undermining". I seriously doubt either Kelly or Tillerson invited her to "undermine" Trump. IMO, it's much more likely that they shared their concerns about his impulsive, uninformed, 'my way or the highway, I know best' behavior and their attempts to rein him in. Which he completely needed/needs.

I agree that this is her sowing the field for a possible 2020 VP ticket or 2014 POTUS run.
 
Ziggurat said:
FTFY.
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Doood. If you were FTFY'ing in response to something silly, like people objecting to Ivanka being a member of the official staff, sure.

But it was this:

Haley wasn't at all concerned that the C of Staff and the Sec. of State were so worried about Trump's behavior that they came to her with their concerns that he'd end up destroying the country?
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You are behaving like someone in actual psychological denial. Either that, or you're skimming the news (understandable if so, after literal years of Russiagate hysteria and nonsense. I guess) and are kinda ignorant about stuff like even John Bolton jumping ship and telling Fiona Hill “I am not part of whatever drug deal Sondland and Mulvaney are cooking up.”

And the overt, blatant, quite literally undeniable Federal Election Campaign Act and obstruction of justice violations.
 
Donal said:
I don't get why she went all in with him. She's young enough that she would be a presidential hopeful for at least another 20 years. She can do TV appearances, probably get the SC Senate seat that Tim Scott is retiring from. She could have held down a cabinet spot in another republican's administration, even be VP. There is no need for her to have to hitch her wagon to Stupid to stay in the picture.
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Maybe she's making a slightly risky, but potentially high-payoff calculated gamble based on an excellent understanding of the average Republican voter.

Maybe Trump himself could rot and die in jail, but Trumpism as the new GOP is here to stay for the foreseeable future - because it came from AM radio, which has been amplifying America's darkest political tendencies and worst natures for 30 years, and now it's extremely online.

Maybe a lot of republican strategists see what Bannon and Trump did, making Trump's political persona the avatar of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, the callers, the angry, status-robbed, pension-robbed, sneering spectators of the ESPN-ified political arena...and maybe those strategists know that anyone with some fame and flair can "be Trump".

If I were them (assuming they're as terrible as they might be) I'd guess I could manufacture a much better version of Trump. Someone not suffering from cognitive decline with an addiction to flaunting actual lawlessness. You'd ideally just pretend to be above the law, and then quietly follow the letter of the law in every single word and deed after election with a team of the actual best lawyers on earth triple checking your every move for legality. The voters would know you were more fraud than genuine lunatic, but that's okay. As long as you're entertaining and constantly piss off liberals really really badly, they'll vote for you and tell themselves you're close enough to the real deal, or as good as this country can do.
 
timhau said:
Sounds like Trump has been acting according to the finest traditions of crappy leadership - if you have competent underlings, get rid of them because they may be a threat to your ego.
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Trump illustrates how to break one of "Rumsfeld's Rules" -

A's hire A's; B's hire C's.
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Good leaders hire people smarter than themselves. In Trump's case, it would almost be impossible not to, but he's trying.
 
Haley was asked on the Today Show interview if she found Trump 'truthful' and she responded "Yes. In every instance that I dealt with him he was truthful..." Notice how she limited it to when she dealt with him. That was a very calculated response on her part.

However, during the campaign when she supported Marco Rubio, she lambasted Trump's truthfulness by saying "Trump is everything I taught my children not to do in kindergarten. I taught my two little ones you don't lie and make things up. I taught my two little ones that you don't push people around and just tell them what you think should happen. And I told my two little ones to do exactly what Marco Rubio did in the last debate; when a bully hits you, you hit right back."

Haley is no better than Lindsey Graham. She's definitely hitching her lying wagon to Trump for her own political ambitions.
 
kellyb said:
Doood. If you were FTFY'ing in response to something silly, like people objecting to Ivanka being a member of the official staff, sure.

But it was this:



You are behaving like someone in actual psychological denial. Either that, or you're skimming the news (understandable if so, after literal years of Russiagate hysteria and nonsense. I guess) and are kinda ignorant about stuff like even John Bolton jumping ship and telling Fiona Hill “I am not part of whatever drug deal Sondland and Mulvaney are cooking up.”

And the overt, blatant, quite literally undeniable Federal Election Campaign Act and obstruction of justice violations.
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You are confused. Tillerson and Kelly objected to Trump’s policy decisions, and tried to undermine him on those policies. And these were policy issues where Trump was completely within the law, like moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. That is indeed undemocratic. Trump was elected to make policy, not them. Haley has the right of it. You don’t.
 
She sold her soul in hopes of getting the Veep nod from Trump.
There was buzz a few weeks ago that Trump was considering dumping Pence in favor of a woman;thining was the Trump needed Pence to get the Evangelical vote in 2016 but now they are so wired into Trump that Pence has become expendable.
And Haley has joined the Richard Rich club . You know, the guy in a Man For All Seasons who sold his soul for Wales.
 
Ziggurat said:
You are confused. Tillerson and Kelly objected to Trump’s policy decisions, and tried to undermine him on those policies. And these were policy issues where Trump was completely within the law, like moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. That is indeed undemocratic. Trump was elected to make policy, not them. Haley has the right of it. You don’t.
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"Undermine" is Haley's word, not necessarily what either Tillerson or Kelly actually said or even meant. This could well be Haley's spin in order to boost her own political aspirations and book sales. To accept her claim based only upon what she's said is naive.
 
Stacyhs said:
"Undermine" is Haley's word, not necessarily what either Tillerson or Kelly actually said or even meant. This could well be Haley's spin in order to boost her own political aspirations and book sales. To accept her claim based only upon what she's said is naive.
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And even then it makes them look good and her look bad. I hope she's making a lot of money on this book because she's probably tossed away her political career.
No, actually I don't.
 
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