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Old 15th November 2019, 03:35 PM   #1081
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Hmmmm. Time to update my "Trump Orbit" diagram, methinks

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mgxreuuhhb...bit3.png?raw=1

If things keep up at this rate, I will have to consider a redesign to add more circles
I getting more and more convinced that Trump is going to say enough of the Witch hunt and pardon Stone, Flynn and maybe Manafort. He'll say these people really did nothing wrong. Certainly no more than Pelosi, Schift and Hillary Clinton and they don't belong in jail.
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Old 15th November 2019, 03:51 PM   #1082
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
I getting more and more convinced that Trump is going to say enough of the Witch hunt and pardon Stone, Flynn and maybe Manafort. He'll say these people really did nothing wrong. Certainly no more than Pelosi, Schift and Hillary Clinton and they don't belong in jail.
It'll be called the 'Saturday Night Resurrection', and mark the instant the GOP turns against Trump.
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Old 15th November 2019, 04:03 PM   #1083
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Originally Posted by The Greater Fool View Post
It'll be called the 'Saturday Night Resurrection', and mark the instant the GOP turns against Trump.
There's a high probability the Greed Over People party wouldn't turn against him, but the belief there's still a non-trivial chance means Trump (likely) won't do it just yet.
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Old 15th November 2019, 04:40 PM   #1084
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I don't think Trump will pardon those people. They aren't a threat while in prison.
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Old 15th November 2019, 04:49 PM   #1085
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Trump pardons war criminals:

Quote:
President Trump cleared three members of the armed services on Friday who have been accused or convicted of war crimes, overruling military leaders who had sought to punish them. All three have been championed by conservative lawmakers and commentators, who have portrayed them as war heroes unfairly prosecuted for actions taken in the heat and confusion of battle.

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The moves signaled that as commander in chief, Mr. Trump intends to use his power as the ultimate arbiter of military justice in ways unlike any other president in modern times.
Linky.
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Old 15th November 2019, 04:53 PM   #1086
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Originally Posted by Monza View Post
It seems there is an asterisks next to it. Several of the sales were bulk purchases, some of which was made by the RNC.
Er, cite?

The list I found online (at the Times) doesn't make any mention of this.
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Old 15th November 2019, 05:03 PM   #1087
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Originally Posted by autumn1971 View Post
Connecticut and Yale are in Texas?
Neither birth nor university are significant parts of growing up.

Though checking the WP article, I am reminded he was at Phillips Academy in Andover MA for high school. But by that time, I wouldn't be at all surprised if his twang was fairly well developed. Or maybe not, I don't know.
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Old 15th November 2019, 05:13 PM   #1088
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Neither birth nor university are significant parts of growing up.

Though checking the WP article, I am reminded he was at Phillips Academy in Andover MA for high school. But by that time, I wouldn't be at all surprised if his twang was fairly well developed. Or maybe not, I don't know.
George W Bush's accent came from imitating what he heard while going to school in Midland and Houston (which are pretty far apart---it isn't hard for Texans to distinguish a native Midland accent from the more southern-sounding Houston accent) and what he heard from his parents after he went home after school. To many Texans' ears, Bush's accent still sounds a bit funny, albeit nowhere near so hilarious as a New York or Boston accent.

Dubya continued to work on his Texas accent, coming up with a passable approximation by the time he ran for governor. Considering he went to high school and university in the northeast, the credibility of his Texas accent shows he really can accomplish something when he decides to work at it.
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Old 15th November 2019, 05:16 PM   #1089
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
I don't think Trump will pardon those people. They aren't a threat while in prison.
Why aren't they a threat? Trump might Epstein them?
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Old 15th November 2019, 05:20 PM   #1090
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Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha View Post
Trump pardons war criminals:



Linky.
Muslims aren't really humans anyway...….
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Old 15th November 2019, 05:28 PM   #1091
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Er, cite?

The list I found online (at the Times) doesn't make any mention of this.
Monza may be referring to something like this, which is a twitter post showing an email solicitation where the RNC is giving copies of the book for donations of $50 or more. So they probably are part of the bulk purchases that put it on the best sellers list.
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Old 15th November 2019, 06:56 PM   #1092
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I just watched a clip of Congressman Adam Schiff questioning former ambassador Marie Yovanovitch today about Trump attempting to intimidate her. Yovanovitch was in Somalia. How did that turn out? "Some things are going to happen to her." The mindlessness, the total lack of any sense of fairness or respect.

Trump really hasn't changed. It reminded me of a hearing Trump attended in Connecticut about twenty-five years ago, when the Pequot nation was seeking a gaming license. Because of competing 'drive time' from the New York City area, this was going to be competition for Trump's Atlantic City casinos and he went to the hearing to try and get their license denied. He used the same shameless, dishonest tactics.

First he claimed the Pequot's shouldn't be licensed because the reservation was not a suitable locale. Trump charged there was a huge crime problem on their reservation. (The local FBI office -- the reservation is federal land -- testified that they had no knowledge of what Trump was referring to. Imagine how he'd respond to that today!) Then Trump implied the gaming operation was a scam. That the organizers were actually non-Native Americans. Trump testified, "They don't look like Indians to me."

One of the Connecticut legislators termed Trump's testimony, "The worst I've ever heard." The governor of Connecticut was moved to call Trump "a dirtbag."

The Pequots got the license and then Trump shamelessly was one of the bidders for the casino's operating contract. He didn't get it.

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Old 15th November 2019, 06:58 PM   #1093
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Hmmmm. Time to update my "Trump Orbit" diagram, methinks

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mgxreuuhhb...bit3.png?raw=1

If things keep up at this rate, I will have to consider a redesign to add more circles
It is easy to put away the "best" people with a simple witch hunt.
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Old 15th November 2019, 07:04 PM   #1094
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Originally Posted by TalosMarr View Post
Monza may be referring to something like this, which is a twitter post showing an email solicitation where the RNC is giving copies of the book for donations of $50 or more. So they probably are part of the bulk purchases that put it on the best sellers list.
Perhaps, but I don't have any idea whether such purchases are a substantial part of the book's sales.

I don't find it implausible at all that the book tops the list of non-fiction currently. The current #2 is Finding Chika, "Lessons learned by the Alboms when they bring a Haitian orphan with a life-threatening illness into their family." I've never heard of it. Number 3 is a history book by Brian Kilmeade (!) about the Battle of the Alamo.

Who the **** wants to learn about history from a Fox & Friends cohost?

I've heard of six of the top fifteen (including Jr.'s literary contribution). I happened to see Elton John's autobiography for sale at Costco this week, pushing my total up a bit.

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Old 15th November 2019, 07:54 PM   #1095
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So? The question is why do they hate Trump? The National Review is one of the MOST conservative publications on the planet. Founded in the 1950s, it's an editorial magazine promoting conservatism.

It has endorsed Republican candidates 80 percent of the time and never a Democrat.

Could it be that they hate Trump because he's a bully and a lying POS? A man totally disinterested in promoting democracy abroad or at home. A man idotally devoid of character. Someone not to be trusted. A man who puts himself above everyone and everything.

There is NOTHING The National Review wants more than a Republican President, but Trump has gone too far.
Because they know he is a shyster who probably steals their best lines. I bet George Will is rolling in his grave at the thought of Trump right now. Actually I used to think National Review was hilarious back in high school. Of course I was reading the Workers Weekly too back then. My favorite article from the Review. "Why Homosexuals like to drink Drip Coffee". I could go on and on. Not sure what they are working on now as I doubt the local library still covers them.
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If memory serves the "bestseller list" counts bookstores stocking books, not customers buying them.
here is how to get onto them.

NY Best Sellers Lists doesn't mean a lot really.
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Because they know he is a shyster who probably steals their best lines. I bet George Will is rolling in his grave at the thought of Trump right now. Actually I used to think National Review was hilarious back in high school. Of course I was reading the Workers Weekly too back then. My favorite article from the Review. "Why Homosexuals like to drink Drip Coffee". I could go on and on. Not sure what they are working on now as I doubt the local library still covers them.
George Will is still alive.
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George Will is still alive.
That's not what people who've met him say.
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Trump pardons war criminals:



Linky.
I saw a number of articles about this in my Facebook feed. The odd part is that a pretty large number of comments are defending this and calling Dems hypocrites for opposing it. They justify this by citing the lack of outrage from when Obama pardoned Bowe Bergdahl - the soldier who deserted and was captured by the Taliban.

Lots and lots of comments about Obama's pardon of Bergdahl.

Which never happened. Bowe Bergdahl was not pardoned.

My guess is that some component of the right-wing outrage machine is just gunning with some flat out lie again. Or, am I missing something here?
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Independent Rep. Justin Amash quoted this Tweet, while responding
"Expect witness tampering to be an article of impeachment"


Schiff also referred to the Tweet as witness intimidation.
And, of course, because Fox doesn't even remotely uphold standards -

Fox News: Schiff is the real witness intimidator because he told Yovanovitch about Trump's tweet
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It seems there is an asterisks dagger next to it. Several of the sales were bulk purchases, some of which was made by the RNC.
Apparently that's how the NYT denotes bulk sales.
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... I bet George Will is rolling in his grave ...
More likely George Will is rolling in his office chair at the notion that someone thinks he is rolling in his grave.
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Six close advisers to the President found guilty -
how is it possible that Trump has any supporters left?
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Six close advisers to the President found guilty -
how is it possible that Trump has any supporters left?
Entrapment! Process crimes! Everyone does it! Clinton emails!
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Entrapment! Process crimes! Everyone does it! Clinton emails!
if you believe that, your only hope would be to emigrate.
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Six close advisers to the President found guilty -
how is it possible that Trump has any supporters left?
Trump has been going to run out of Toadies/supporters "any day now" for over two years.
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It's become clear to me that if Trump really wanted to lock Hillary up, he should have hired her.
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It's become clear to me that if Trump really wanted to lock Hillary up, he should have hired her.
I am so nominating this!
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George Will is still alive.
So? Perhaps he has a grave and likes to lay down in it 'til he satisfies his soul.
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Six close advisers to the President found guilty -
how is it possible that Trump has any supporters left?
And none of them have been Pardoned. That should be food for thought for the remaining Trumpers who are at risk.
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And none of them have been Pardoned.
Yet. An orgy of pardons right at the end of Trump’s term would certainly be in character.
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Hmmmm. Time to update my "Trump Orbit" diagram, methinks

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mgxreuuhhb...bit3.png?raw=1

If things keep up at this rate, I will have to consider a redesign to add more circles
You know what you call a group of seven convicted felons and two people under investigation? A bunch of criminals.
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Good morning Louisiana! Polls are open at 7AM. Get out and VOTE for @EddieRispone to be your next Gov! He will get your taxes and auto insurance (highest in Country!) way down. Loves our Military & Vets. Will protect your 2A.

Dow hits 28,000 - FIRST TIME EVER, HIGHEST EVER! Gee, Pelosi & Schitt have a good idea, “lets Impeach the President.” If something like that ever happened, it would lead to the biggest FALL in Market History. It’s called a Depression, not a Recession! So much for 401-K’s & Jobs!

“My support for Donald Trump has never been greater than it is right now. It is paramountly obvious watching this, these people have to go. You elected Donald Trump to drain the Swamp, well, dismissing people like Yovanovitch is what that looks like. Dismissing people like Kent..

....and Taylor, dismissing everybody involved from the Obama holdover days trying to undermine Trump, getting rid of those people, dismissing them, this is what it looks like. It was never going to be claen, they were never going to sit by idly and just let Trump do this!” Rush L
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“Triggered,” a great book by my son, Don. Now number one on @NYTIMES LIST. Keep it there for a while!
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https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...rispone-071035

This headline made my morning. I feel a little bad for Baron but other than that, I just have to smile when Trump says his family is suffering.
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George Will is still alive.
He did stop being a republican when Trump was elected. I was thinking of William F Buckley actually. George Will never wrote for the National Review that I know of.
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Old 16th November 2019, 11:21 AM   #1118
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Barr's bizarre mirror universe theory of conservatism, in a speech to the "non-partisan" Federalist Society:

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So let me turn now to how the Executive is presently faring in these interbranch battles. I am concerned that the deck has become stacked against the Executive. Since the mid-60s, there has been a steady grinding down of the Executive branch’s authority, that accelerated after Watergate. More and more, the President’s ability to act in areas in which he has discretion has become smothered by the encroachments of the other branches.

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Immediately after President Trump won election, opponents inaugurated what they called “The Resistance,” and they rallied around an explicit strategy of using every tool and maneuver available to sabotage the functioning of his Administration. Now, “resistance” is the language used to describe insurgency against rule imposed by an occupying military power. It obviously connotes that the government is not legitimate. This is a very dangerous – indeed incendiary – notion to import into the politics of a democratic republic. What it means is that, instead of viewing themselves as the “loyal opposition,” as opposing parties have done in the past, they essentially see themselves as engaged in a war to cripple, by any means necessary, a duly elected government.

A prime example of this is the Senate’s unprecedented abuse of the advice-and-consent process. The Senate is free to exercise that power to reject unqualified nominees, but that power was never intended to allow the Senate to systematically oppose and draw out the approval process for every appointee so as to prevent the President from building a functional government.

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One of the ironies of today is that those who oppose this President constantly accuse this Administration of “shredding” constitutional norms and waging a war on the rule of law. When I ask my friends on the other side, what exactly are you referring to? I get vacuous stares, followed by sputtering about the Travel Ban or some such thing. While the President has certainly thrown out the traditional Beltway playbook, he was upfront about that beforehand, and the people voted for him. What I am talking about today are fundamental constitutional precepts. The fact is that this Administration’s policy initiatives and proposed rules, including the Travel Ban, have transgressed neither constitutional, nor traditional, norms, and have been amply supported by the law and patiently litigated through the Court system to vindication.

Indeed, measures undertaken by this Administration seem a bit tame when compared to some of the unprecedented steps taken by the Obama Administration’s aggressive exercises of Executive power – such as, under its DACA program, refusing to enforce broad swathes of immigration law.

The fact of the matter is that, in waging a scorched earth, no-holds-barred war of “Resistance” against this Administration, it is the Left that is engaged in the systematic shredding of norms and the undermining of the rule of law. This highlights a basic disadvantage that conservatives have always had in contesting the political issues of the day. It was adverted to by the old, curmudgeonly Federalist, Fisher Ames, in an essay during the early years of the Republic.

In any age, the so-called progressives treat politics as their religion. Their holy mission is to use the coercive power of the State to remake man and society in their own image, according to an abstract ideal of perfection. Whatever means they use are therefore justified because, by definition, they are a virtuous people pursing a deific end. They are willing to use any means necessary to gain momentary advantage in achieving their end, regardless of collateral consequences and the systemic implications. They never ask whether the actions they take could be justified as a general rule of conduct, equally applicable to all sides.

Conservatives, on the other hand, do not seek an earthly paradise. We are interested in preserving over the long run the proper balance of freedom and order necessary for healthy development of natural civil society and individual human flourishing. This means that we naturally test the propriety and wisdom of action under a “rule of law” standard. The essence of this standard is to ask what the overall impact on society over the long run if the action we are taking, or principle we are applying, in a given circumstance was universalized – that is, would it be good for society over the long haul if this was done in all like circumstances?

For these reasons, conservatives tend to have more scruple over their political tactics and rarely feel that the ends justify the means. And this is as it should be, but there is no getting around the fact that this puts conservatives at a disadvantage when facing progressive holy far, especially when doing so under the weight of a hyper-partisan media.

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In this partisan age, we should take special care not to allow the passions of the moment to cause us to permanently disfigure the genius of our Constitutional structure. As we look back over the sweep of American history, it has been the American Presidency that has best fulfilled the vision of the Founders. It has brought to our Republic a dynamism and effectiveness that other democracies have lacked.
Linky.

This is the same man who made a speech about the evils of secularism is now saying the "other side" (what a great viewpoint for our Justice Department) are the religious extremists. And in his imaginings, the executive branch has actually been getting weaker and Democrats invented obstruction just for Trump.
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Old 16th November 2019, 11:58 AM   #1119
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Trump Tweets

“I mean, come on. The Democrats are doing focus groups to try and figure out what words to use to move the needle. The Democrats know this is political and they’re just trying to drag Trump’s name into the mud!” Lisa Booth @foxandfriends
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Fact: Pelosi’s inquiry is officially the first presidential impeachment inquiry in modern history authorized by members of only one party.
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
One of the Connecticut legislators termed Trump's testimony, "The worst I've ever heard." The governor of Connecticut was moved to call Trump "a dirtbag."
They sound like NeverTrumpers to me.

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The Pequots got the license and then Trump shamelessly was one of the bidders for the casino's operating contract. He didn't get it.
And them. Why else would they turn him down? Look what a great job Trump did in operating his own casinos, after all.
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