House Impeachment Inquiry

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Trump has also misspelled the name of one of his favorite and most loyal sycophants, Devin Nunes:
"A great new book just out, 'The Plot Against the President. The True Story Of How Congressman Devin Nunez Uncovered the Biggest Political Scandal In U.S. History,'" Trump tweeted, butchering Nunes' last name. "Shows very bad and corrupt people on the other side. Check it out!"
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Trump tweet Oct. 29, 2019

Then there's Mark "Esperanto, Secretary of Defense", whom Trump praised:
He also advanced U.S. national security in government and in private sector, most recently as Secretary of the Army, where he played a critical role training and equipping our armed forces. That’s where I got to know Mark.
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Only his name is Esper, not Esperanto.
 
Bogative said:
This isn't just an ordinary, seldom seen proper noun. It's the name of the US Representative of the 4th District of Texas at the center of the impeachment hearings. To think you have not seen the printed name Ratcliffe dozens of times by today is unrealistic. That you still can't spell it correctly is just plain weird. And rather concerning.
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Really? That's all you got, a typo or failure to double check a spelling? :rolleyes:
 
I've rethought my comment Trump was bribing Zelensky. It could easily be seen the other way around. Trump was insisting on a bribe, Zelensky must announce investigations, in order to get favors from Trump.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Doesn't matter. They have smeared Biden successfully.
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But have they?

Biden's poll numbers are up, his support among blacks is well up and growing, he was spoken of by one of Trump's pointmen (Kurt Volker) in glowing terms, during his testimony.

"I don't find it plausible or credible that Joe Biden would have been influenced in his duties."

"It is not credible to me that former Vice President Biden would have been influenced in any way by financial or personal motives in carrying out his duties as Vice President."

"The accusation that Vice President Biden acted inappropriately did not seem at all credible to me."

"The allegations against Vice President Biden are self-serving and not credible."

"Mayor Giuliani raised, and I rejected, the conspiracy theory that Vice President Biden would have been influenced in his duties as Vice President by money paid to his son. As I testified previously, I have known Vice President Biden for 24 years. He is an honorable man and I hold him in the highest regard."​

I need no evidence at all to be absolutely certain Trump will have been fuming when to saw Volker vouch so vociferously for Joe Biden in such a public way in front of a TV audience of millions.
 
Interesting discussion on Amanpour and Company tonight explaining why what Clinton did was not a high crime. A high crime is not just breaking a law or one's oath of office, a high crime involves something where the POTUS abuses his office. Clearly Trump deserves to be impeached.
 
smartcooky said:
But have they?

Biden's poll numbers are up, his support among blacks is well up and growing, he was spoken of by one of Trump's pointmen (Kurt Volker) in glowing terms, during his testimony.

"I don't find it plausible or credible that Joe Biden would have been influenced in his duties."

"It is not credible to me that former Vice President Biden would have been influenced in any way by financial or personal motives in carrying out his duties as Vice President."

"The accusation that Vice President Biden acted inappropriately did not seem at all credible to me."

"The allegations against Vice President Biden are self-serving and not credible."

"Mayor Giuliani raised, and I rejected, the conspiracy theory that Vice President Biden would have been influenced in his duties as Vice President by money paid to his son. As I testified previously, I have known Vice President Biden for 24 years. He is an honorable man and I hold him in the highest regard."​

I need no evidence at all to be absolutely certain Trump will have been fuming when to saw Volker vouch so vociferously for Joe Biden in such a public way in front of a TV audience of millions.
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Sounds all well and good. Sad fact is, we aren't talking about rational thinking voters. I wish we were.
 
Stacyhs said:
I agree that if this were a prizefight, they'd stop it. Jordan, Radcliffe, Nunes et al. are getting hammered!
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Bogative said:
This isn't just an ordinary, seldom seen proper noun. It's the name of the US Representative of the 4th District of Texas at the center of the impeachment hearings. To think you have not seen the printed name Ratcliffe dozens of times by today is unrealistic. That you still can't spell it correctly is just plain weird. And rather concerning.
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Yeah Stacy, get it right girl!

Next time, you make sure you don't forget to put the "Rat" in Ratcliffe!
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Interesting discussion on Amanpour and Company tonight explaining why what Clinton did was not a high crime. A high crime is not just breaking a law or one's oath of office, a high crime involves something where the POTUS abuses his office. Clearly Trump deserves to be impeached.
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I agree that Trump abused the power of his office for his personal gain. I want to scream every time I hear someone say it was ill advised but "it's not an impeachable offense". Like hell it isn't.
 
This is The End said:
I hope that this was already covered here, I don't have time to read. (I'm involved in a thread on another forum that has 8,000 posts just from today...)

This soundbite that all of the Republican congressmen and Republican bubble news organizations are concentrating on. The "I WANT NOTHING! I WANT NO QUID PRO QUO" soundbite.

That is from a phone call weeks after the crime. It's even weeks after Trump knew he was was caught!

They are literally trying to get people to believe that the COVERUP INSTRUCTIONS phone call was the original phone call. It is INSANE spin.



July 25th: The crime. (The extortion phone call to the Ukraine for help setting up Biden.)

Aug 12th: The whistle-blower complaint.

Aug 28th: News breaks about the extortion phone call and aid being withheld.

Sept 9th (Day): Investigations Begin

Sept 9th (Night): Trump finds out about the investigation and then makes the "I WANT NOTHING. I WANT NOTHING. NO QUID PRO QUO!" coverup phone call.

Sept 24rd (Morning): Impeachment inquiry leaked.

Sept 24rd (Afternoon): Trump phone call to Pelosi asking if she and he can "work something out" to "do something about this whole whistle-blower thing". He even tells her that he is prepared to put gun control on the table in exchange. (Her response to him was only that "He and his people should start obeying the law.")

Sept 24td (Evening): Impeachment inquiry is announced.




Again. Make note that the NO QUID PRO QUO phone call is WAY after the crime. It is during the coverup. Not during the crime as the Republicans tonight are trying to spin it tonight.
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Thanks. I didn't have time to check that out, but I did think it unlikely that Trump knew the phrase "quid pro quo" without first having heard it used in reference to himself.
 
If the Impeachment doesn't go through, I can't see Trump doing at all well in the first debate with whoever wins the Democratic Party nomination. I think it will be the first time he goes one-on-one with an opponent in a public venue with a bipartisan audience since his election. Note: Putin was not an opponent for him.

Considering the size of the font he needs, his notes will be a stack like the one he claimed were all his submitted tax documents way back when.
 
alfaniner said:
If the Impeachment doesn't go through, I can't see Trump doing at all well in the first debate with whoever wins the Democratic Party nomination. I think it will be the first time he goes one-on-one with an opponent in a public venue with a bipartisan audience since his election. Note: Putin was not an opponent for him.

Considering the size of the font he needs, his notes will be a stack like the one he claimed were all his submitted tax documents way back when.
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It won't matter, he'll shout a few catch phrases and give his opponent a nickname. 40-45% of the US electorate will go away with the impression that he has won the debate :(
 
acbytesla said:
...."the witch hunt must end" said the witch right before they caught her.
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We can still hope that, after she gets caught, she'll say "it's a fair cop".

a_unique_person said:
Well done. According to Trump that statement, related by sondland to the enquiry exonerates him. Is it possible Trump can only play one dimensional chess?
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With a single pawn.

Captain_Swoop said:
“All four of Gordon Sondland’s lawyers are Democrat Donors.” @TuckerCarlson
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A sad commentary on the partisan nature of politics today: you can't even be associated with the other party if you want your facts to be accepted.
 
Bogative said:
This isn't just an ordinary, seldom seen proper noun. It's the name of the US Representative of the 4th District of Texas at the center of the impeachment hearings. To think you have not seen the printed name Ratcliffe dozens of times by today is unrealistic. That you still can't spell it correctly is just plain weird. And rather concerning.
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I'm glad you stepped in to make this crucial point, and ignored the distracting facts in the process.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Sounds similar to the forecast before his first debate with Hillary.

Not saying he did well in those debates, but many of his supporters managed to see his performances as winning.
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And the reason for that is that "winning" for them was acting like a jerk. Then the sunk cost kicked in. And that's for those who aren't deplorables to begin with.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Sounds similar to the forecast before his first debate with Hillary.

Not saying he did well in those debates, but many of his supporters managed to see his performances as winning.
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Right, but now there is hard data about all his mistakes while in office. (Although, if the Access Hollywood tape didn't have much effect, I concede that those aggrievances may not matter either.)
 
a_unique_person said:
Well done. According to Trump that statement, related by sondland to the enquiry exonerates him. Is it possible Trump can only play one dimensional chess?
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No, I think Trump was right when he said he played 4D chess.

See, playing chess by the actual rules is essentially 2D. Trump, though, adds in a height and time dimension to his games: you never know when he's going to walk in, toss the chess board into the air, and walk off declaring victory.
 
Listening to Nunes accuse the Dems of foisting CTs reminds me of when Scientology acquired an anti-cult website. It's just so painfully wrong.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
If you want your lawyer to defend you and not Trump, you better not pick a Republican - a lesson Flynn is learning the painful way.
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I think that's an uncharitable post hoc. I presume that attorneys act in the best interests of their clients unless there's clear evidence otherwise and an undesired outcome isn't clear evidence.
 
PhantomWolf said:
A forum member misspelling the name of a Republican Member of Congress = Concerning
A President calling members of Congress Names = Perfectly fine
A President trying to get a foreign Government to investigate his political rivals = I see nothing.
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More to the point, spelling Ratcliffe as Radcliffe is concerning, but spelling Schiff as Schitt is not worth a mention.
 
I'm rather concerned about things. Important things. The reason I'm concerned about these important things is because they are rather concerning.

One of the important things that most concerns me is an anonymous person on the internet misspelled the name of a congress person from Texas. I'm concerned enough about this perplexing and egregious gaffe to raise this rather concerning issue on a discussion forum for skeptics.
 
Trump Tweeted

The Republican Party, and me, had a GREAT day yesterday with respect to the phony Impeachment Hoax, & yet, when I got home to the White House & checked out the news coverage on much of television, you would have no idea they were reporting on the same event. FAKE & CORRUPT NEWS!

I never in my wildest dreams thought my name would in any way be associated with the ugly word, Impeachment! The calls (Transcripts) were PERFECT, there was NOTHING said that was wrong. No pressure on Ukraine. Great corruption & dishonesty by Schiff on the other side!

Corrupt politician Adam Schiff’s lies are growing by the day. Keep fighting tough, Republicans, you are dealing with human scum who have taken Due Process and all of the Republican Party’s rights away from us during the most unfair hearings in American History.
But we are winning big, and they will soon be on our turf.

“The new House Resolution gives Adam Schiff (the most dishonest man in politics) the power unilaterally to release edited transcripts. Rule 10 gives Chairman Schiff absolutely no jurisdiction. Subpoenas issued as part of Dems’ Impeachment inquiry are illegal.” Sam Dewey @FoxNews

....”Nothing gives Schiff jurisdiction over Impeachment.”
 
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Holmes testifying re the lunch when he overheard Trump talking to Sondland, paraphrasing from 5 minute old memory...

Holmes said:
The lunch started out casual. We discussed the marketing plans for Sondland's hotels.
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<laughing dogs>
 
The poor Rebuplicans have to have new huge, tripped-out countup signs printed every day, denoting how many days since Schiff knew about or talked to the whistleblower (and another one with three big "NO xxxx" lines - I can guess what the smaller print says). They're placed somewhere behind Gym Jordan but I don't know if they will show up on his solo shot.
 
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Remember when Republicans were up in arms because Obama wore a tan suit and thereby was engaging in unpresidential behaviour? Happy times!
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweeted

The Republican Party, and me, had a GREAT day yesterday with respect to the phony Impeachment Hoax, & yet, when I got home to the White House & checked out the news coverage on much of television, you would have no idea they were reporting on the same event. FAKE & CORRUPT NEWS!

I never in my wildest dreams thought my name would in any way be associated with the ugly word, Impeachment! The calls (Transcripts) were PERFECT, there was NOTHING said that was wrong. No pressure on Ukraine. Great corruption & dishonesty by Schiff on the other side!

Corrupt politician Adam Schiff’s lies are growing by the day. Keep fighting tough, Republicans, you are dealing with human scum who have taken Due Process and all of the Republican Party’s rights away from us during the most unfair hearings in American History.
But we are winning big, and they will soon be on our turf.

“The new House Resolution gives Adam Schiff (the most dishonest man in politics) the power unilaterally to release edited transcripts. Rule 10 gives Chairman Schiff absolutely no jurisdiction. Subpoenas issued as part of Dems’ Impeachment inquiry are illegal.” Sam Dewey @FoxNews

....”Nothing gives Schiff jurisdiction over Impeachment.”
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Okay, the Republicans must know he's crazy and they still won't do anything about it. It makes me sick how they know they are actively hurting their country by supporting Trump and they keep doing it.
 
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Ken Starr, Former Independent Counsel: “Does this reach the level of treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors? My assessment of the evidence so far, NO WHERE CLOSE. The evidence is conflicting & ambiguous. Ambassador Sondland’s testimony stated that....

.....President Trump said the Ukraine President should just do the right thing (No Quid Pro Quo). You shouldn’t charge, but you cannot convict, a sitting president on the basis of conflicting and ambiguous evidence, and destabilize the American Government.” Thank you Ken!
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweeted

Ken Starr, Former Independent Counsel: “Does this reach the level of treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors? My assessment of the evidence so far, NO WHERE CLOSE. The evidence is conflicting & ambiguous. Ambassador Sondland’s testimony stated that....

.....President Trump said the Ukraine President should just do the right thing (No Quid Pro Quo). You shouldn’t charge, but you cannot convict, a sitting president on the basis of conflicting and ambiguous evidence, and destabilize the American Government.” Thank you Ken!
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Does this rise to the level of lying about getting a BJ? NO WHERE CLOSE.

Starr, of course, had to resign as a college president after actively covering up a series of rapes by college athletes.
 
Extorting a foreign power to dig up dirt on a political opponent? No big deal.

Lie about extramarital affair? Impeach!
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweeted

Ken Starr, Former Independent Counsel: “Does this reach the level of treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors? My assessment of the evidence so far, NO WHERE CLOSE. The evidence is conflicting & ambiguous. Ambassador Sondland’s testimony stated that....

.....President Trump said the Ukraine President should just do the right thing (No Quid Pro Quo). You shouldn’t charge, but you cannot convict, a sitting president on the basis of conflicting and ambiguous evidence, and destabilize the American Government.” Thank you Ken!
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https://theweek.com/speedreads/879707/ken-starr-sondland-testimony-over

Ken Starr on Fox News: "It doesn't look good for the president, substantively."
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Mr. Starr was a little more expansive after yesterday.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Thanks. I didn't have time to check that out, but I did think it unlikely that Trump knew the phrase "quid pro quo" without first having heard it used in reference to himself.
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If there is any Latin phrase which Trump would have had occasion to learn in his career, that would be the one.

ETA: "Caveat Emptor" would probably be right up there, too.
 
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Upchurch said:
Sondland says his family, businesses receiving threats over role in Trump impeachment inquiry

Man, I bet our anti-"Cancel Culture" posters will be so mad about this. Attacking a billionaire job creator, no less!
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Why protest someone who is hurting Trump? He clearly compromised himself by following Trump's orders but in the end, he did the right thing (albeit after seeing what happened to Roger Stone). I'm going to go out on a limb here and say he's not Trumptrash anymore.
 
Stacyhs said:
I think he is a poor reader with reading comprehension problems.
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Indeed. He's not a fluent reader because he spends very little of his time reading, and always has. He watches TV and gets told stuff, most of which goes in one ear and out the other. Only the voices in his head leave much impression.
 
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