Merged A Thread for Planned (But Not Executed) School Shootings etc.

I would have to look at statistics, but it seems there is a rise in cases of violent teenagers. Teenagers who murder/attempt to murder others. Each case is tragic.

In this case, there is a great lack of information in the article, and I would be interested in learning about the history, priors, mental health of the teens before.

The attack was serious. Allegedly the plan was to murder, and that seems clear.
It was interesting that the teens original plan was to commit suicide after the murders, at least the girl, but then decided to escape to Canada.
 
But they didnt murder anyone, so how do you know they intended to? Sure they stabbed and hit someone with a hammer, but that ain't murder, and it could have been self defense. They also allegedly had a "kill" list, but that could just have been youthful artistic expression in a story they were playing and/or harmlessly acting out. Accidents happen you know. Why destroy two young lives over meer over baked allegations? Psychic policing in a nanny state much?



I guess "...the couple drew up a 'kill list'" sort of implies that, doesn't it?
 
Well that changes everything!!! This one case means all the other ones were justified!!! Right?
 
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16-year-old Canada boy mass murder school plan

Police say no threat to public safety after online threat against Holy Cross High School, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada

Saskatoon StarPhoenix said:
Saskatoon police say they are confident the investigation into a chilling diagram seen on social media outlining a potential attack on a local high school is complete and that there is no threat to public safety.

Staff Sgt. Grant Obst sought to reassure parents, staff and students at a news conference Wednesday afternoon. “There is a working theory that this would be an extremely misguided, misjudged joke.”

Obst said police first became aware late Tuesday night of a social media post showing what appeared to be a floor plan of Holy Cross High School, annotated with detailed plans to commit a mass shooting, with Dec. 17 identified as the date for the purported attack.

“(Patrol officers) were on it right away. They worked it right away,” Obst said, adding that they tracked down the source of the post within about three and a half hours, then arrested a 16-year-old boy at his home. The boy is charged with uttering threats. He was released on conditions including that he not be at Holy Cross.

While the alleged threat proposed multiple attackers using firearms, Obst said police were confident no other suspects were involved. He said the arresting officers did find what could loosely be classified as replica firearms, but “they certainly wouldn’t be anything that would be capable of doing what was outlined on the diagram; in fact, a search of the home recovered nothing that would be anything that we would be worrying about with respect to that type of an attack.”...

:shocked:“For God’s sakes, give your head a shake.”:shocked:....

https://thestarphoenix.com/news/crime/teen-arrested-following-threats-to-saskatoon-high-school
 
He said the arresting officers did find what could loosely be classified as replica firearms, but “they certainly wouldn’t be anything that would be capable of doing what was outlined on the diagram

What? You mean having no access to high rate of fire semi-automatic weapons with large magazines makes mass shootings much more difficult? That's unpossible!!! People kill people!!! Bear arms!!!
 
What? You mean having no access to high rate of fire semi-automatic weapons with large magazines makes mass shootings much more difficult? That's unpossible!!! People kill people!!! Bear arms!!!

Once more, for the people in the back!
 
Maybe he was just imagining a hypothetical terrorist attack against the school, so that the school administration would look over their routines in case such a fateful day should arrive.
 
12-year-old girl arrested for school mass murder plan

12-year-old Florida girl arrested for posting death list on Snapchat, sheriff's office says

CNN said:
A 12-year-old girl has been arrested after she threatened to kill students at her middle school in Florida, authorities said.

The student was arrested Friday evening. She faces two counts of a written threat to kill and false reporting concerning a firearm, the Broward County Sheriff's Office said.

The sheriff's office says the girl attends Falcon Cove Middle School in Weston, a community about 20 miles west of Fort Lauderdale.
Around 7 p.m. on Friday, a Falcon Cove Middle School student and her parent alerted sheriff's office deputies in Weston about a threat posted on Snapchat that included a death list with students' names, authorities said.

Another threat was posted to Snapchat later on Friday that "indicated the students were not safe and that they would be killed on Monday," the sheriff's office said...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/08/us/florida-middle-school-student-false-threat/index.html
 
I wonder what 'false reporting concerning a firearm' means.


Florida Statutes

It is unlawful for any person to make a false report, with intent to deceive, mislead, or otherwise misinform any person, concerning the placing or planting of any bomb, dynamite, other deadly explosive, or weapon of mass destruction as defined in s. 790.166, or concerning the use of firearms in a violent manner against a person or persons.


I guess it's like the penalty for a false fire alarm. It would presumably also apply to things like swatting, though it's interesting that she both "reported" the threat and was the source of the threat.
 
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I wonder what 'false reporting concerning a firearm' means.

Maybe it's an extra crime to deter people from trying to amplify police response by falsely claiming someone has a gun. "There's a crazy lady screaming and throwing cats at people in my trailer park" might not get an immediate response so perhaps there's a temptation to add "and she's got a gun" to hasten things along.
 
It would presumably also apply to things like swatting, though it's interesting that she both "reported" the threat and was the source of the threat.
The article says that there were two online threats made on Friday. The second one specified the date of the attack.

Maybe there will be more details. Maybe she did a "sockpuppet" thing for the second threat. I don't know anything about Snapchat.
 
I guess it's like the penalty for a false fire alarm. It would presumably also apply to things like swatting, though it's interesting that she both "reported" the threat and was the source of the threat.


My big concern is that they did this for something posted on Snapchat. Should we just assume that anything so posted is now considered to have been reported to the police?
 
Maybe it's an extra crime to deter people from trying to amplify police response by falsely claiming someone has a gun. "There's a crazy lady screaming and throwing cats at people in my trailer park" might not get an immediate response so perhaps there's a temptation to add "and she's got a gun" to hasten things along.


Makes sense.

So if the 12-year-old girl can show that she really did intend to obtain a gun and go on a shooting rampage, that should be a positive defense against the "false reporting concerning a firearm" charge.
 
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This one is different than many (most?) others.

This girl shared her death list with the students. She also posted the threat of mass murder that would happen on Monday (today).

Typically we see kids who have their covert plan discovered rather than posting their own plan for the targeted students to see.
 
It’s Florida, if she’s white it will be a bit of probation.

If she’s not, my Republican friends are always excited about the trees that have historically solved this problem.
 
I have seen this thread floating around and no matter how many times I read it, I still wonder why they didn't get social services to pick her up and get her under supervision and having a chat with child psychiatrists, and decided to go for arrest by cops.
 
I have seen this thread floating around and no matter how many times I read it, I still wonder why they didn't get social services to pick her up and get her under supervision and having a chat with child psychiatrists, and decided to go for arrest by cops.

Who's "they"?

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Around 7 p.m. on Friday, a Falcon Cove Middle School student and her parent alerted sheriff's office deputies in Weston about a threat posted on Snapchat that included a death list with students' names, authorities said.

Apparently a middle school student and her parent saw the threat on social media and they chose to alert the police rather than social services.
 
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Apparently a middle school student and her parent saw the threat on social media and they chose to alert the police rather than social services.

I think it's a reasonable reaction by a parent to call the police. Their child was being threatened. I'd expect the cops to have a broader view and refer the case to the appropriate authorities.
 
Indiana teen arrested for mass school shooting threat

Police: Munster, Indiana teen arrested after social media threat against high school

Chicago Tribune said:
Police arrested a teen Monday after learning of a threatening post against Munster High School, they said.

The post had a picture of a gun with a caption, “Don’t go to school tomorrow,” according to a release.

The teen was taken to the station for questioning and now faces an intimidation charge, pending a review from the Lake County Prosecutor’s Office...

https://www.chicagotribune.com/subu...0191209-6g33gnaupzd7vka4on5hvjszrq-story.html
 
At least the last couple of threads have been about threats rather than accomplished spree killings. Progress?
 
Can we get these into a single thread like with the school shootings one? I had no issues at first, but these are getting a little spammy at this point. It's pretty much an every day thing.
 
Next we'll get threads about teens thinking about it, then threads about teens reading about it.

I dare say that the post is not quite the same; rather difficult to see how no action can be taken. Arresting the teen is not the same as charging them with a crime. They can then find out more about what was really going on and the level of any threat. The post may represent no real threat in practice, although it indicates the teen does at minimum have issues that should be addressed. I would certainly want the authorities to step in and learn more if I had a child in the school.
 

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