The Trump Presidency: Part 18

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Skeptic Ginger said:
Why does Trump get out of it?

What do they teach in such a class: Common sense or how to have a conscience?

I can't imagine there is much to teach.

Maybe it's like detention in school when you mess up.
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Agreed. You can teach ethics until you're blue in the face but you can't teach people to give a damn.
 
Stacyhs said:
There are some religious nuts who would actually support that. You know, good Christians like Theodore Shoebat who said on his website:



Several Muslim countries, including Saudi Arabia, Nigeria and Pakistan, actually do punish atheism with death.
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Nigeria is not a Muslim country (some states in Nigeria may be predominantly Islamic). Pakistan does not have the death penalty for atheism. The main issue in Pakistan is being accused of blasphemy (in which atheism might be included). In general in Islamic countries being an atheist is not an issue, promoting it may be. The main issue is apostasy, giving up being a muslim; not becoming an atheist, the penalties would be the same if you still believed in God but in the Christian God, or The All Father, or Krishna. It is the unbelief in Allah that is the issue.
 
Here's a couple of paragraphs written by Max Boot at WaPo about the consequences of Trump's defaming people:

We are so used to the venomous way Trump tweets and talks that we have forgotten how unprecedented, appalling and unhinged this actually is. No president has ever reviled so many individual Americans by name. President Dwight D. Eisenhower was more respectful in discussing convicted atomic spies Julius and Ethel Rosenberg than Trump has been in referring to dedicated law enforcement professionals who have served our country for decades.

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In essence, these law enforcers [Barr, et. al.] have little choice but to stoically suffer continuing character assassination from a lawless president and his shameless lackeys. This is far from the worst abuse of this horror show of a presidency, but it is bad enough that it deserves to be remembered among Trump’s most despicable acts.
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President Trump will sign an executive order defining Judaism as a nationality, not just a religion, thus bolstering the Education Department's efforts to stamp out "Boycott Israel" movements on college campuses
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Will Jews who live in America no longer be American?
Or will they have dual citizenship?
 
Stacyhs said:
I honestly cannot understand how any self-respecting woman could support this jerk. If he were a Democrat, I still could never support him and maintain any respect for myself.
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I don't understand how any self respecting human being could support him.
 
Planigale said:
Nigeria is not a Muslim country (some states in Nigeria may be predominantly Islamic). Pakistan does not have the death penalty for atheism. The main issue in Pakistan is being accused of blasphemy (in which atheism might be included). In general in Islamic countries being an atheist is not an issue, promoting it may be. The main issue is apostasy, giving up being a muslim; not becoming an atheist, the penalties would be the same if you still believed in God but in the Christian God, or The All Father, or Krishna. It is the unbelief in Allah that is the issue.
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Nigeria is about 50% Muslim with the northern states being predominantly Muslim.

Overall statistics indicate that about 50% of the population are Muslim,with a majority practicing the Sunni branch of the faith. About 40% areChristian and about 10% practice traditional African religions or no religion at all.
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Read more: https://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Africa/Nigeria-RELIGIONS.html#ixzz67ppqaOfE

I think you're splitting hairs by saying atheism isn't the problem, it's blasphemy. While technically true, saying there is no God is blasphemy and that is punishable by death. Ayaz Nizami, the Vice President of Atheist & Agnostic Alliance pakistan, is being held on charges of blasphemy which has the death penalty.

Atheism in many Islamic countries is not tolerated even if a person is not 'promoting' it.
Such is the case of Ali, a young Tunisian ex-Muslim who was outed in his community, in a public way, as an apostate from Islam. He didn’t deny it and continued to try to live a secular life but was persistently harassed and unable to find work—declined because of his atheism. Like most atheists in Muslim-majority countries, early threats came from family: he was threatened with expulsion from his family home due to his beliefs and the local Muslim community’s pressure on the family, and his father subsequently stopped paying for his university fees and cut him off from interaction with the family.

Ali was subjected to threats of death and injury and was nearly ambushed in the street by would-be assailants who made threatening comments about him being an infidel; his dog was poisoned and killed; later, another poisoning attempt was made on his new dog. His computer was vandalized at school, and other students began shunning and making threatening comments about infidels in class, so he spent a lot of time in isolation feeling fear and anger.
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Stacyhs said:
Nigeria is about 50% Muslim with the northern states being predominantly Muslim.



Read more: https://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Africa/Nigeria-RELIGIONS.html#ixzz67ppqaOfE

I think you're splitting hairs by saying atheism isn't the problem, it's blasphemy. While technically true, saying there is no God is blasphemy and that is punishable by death. Ayaz Nizami, the Vice President of Atheist & Agnostic Alliance pakistan, is being held on charges of blasphemy which has the death penalty.

Atheism in many Islamic countries is not tolerated even if a person is not 'promoting' it.

https://centerforinquiry.org/news/t...d-as-an-atheist-in-a-muslim-majority-country/
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I make the point because this is special pleading by Atheists. The real issue is religious freedom, the freedom to believe in whichever God or not. The crime is apostasy (as mentioned in your quote above) not atheism. Atheism is just evidence of apostasy, as would be believing in the wrong God.
 
Stacyhs said:
Nigeria is about 50% Muslim with the northern states being predominantly Muslim.



Read more: https://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Africa/Nigeria-RELIGIONS.html#ixzz67ppqaOfE

I think you're splitting hairs by saying atheism isn't the problem, it's blasphemy. While technically true, saying there is no God is blasphemy and that is punishable by death. Ayaz Nizami, the Vice President of Atheist & Agnostic Alliance pakistan, is being held on charges of blasphemy which has the death penalty.

Atheism in many Islamic countries is not tolerated even if a person is not 'promoting' it.

https://centerforinquiry.org/news/t...d-as-an-atheist-in-a-muslim-majority-country/
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I admit I am really annoyed by how some..by no means all...on the left wing of the political spectrum seem to become de facto apologists for Islamic Fundematalist regimes. Only reason I can see is they view them as some kind of slightly misguided Anti Imperialists".
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

The News Media in our Country is FAKE and in many cases, totally CORRUPT!

Ronna McDaniel
@GOPChairwoman
CNN aired everything Schiff & Nadler had to say. Why aren’t they showing @LindseyGrahamSC? Is it because the facts of how the FBI mistreated @realDonaldTrump contradict their coverage over the last 3 years?
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My wife had CNN on this morning. They were showing Shifty Lindsey asking questions of the IG then interrupting before he could open his mouth.
 
Planigale said:
I make the point because this is special pleading by Atheists. The real issue is religious freedom, the freedom to believe in whichever God or not. The crime is apostasy (as mentioned in your quote above) not atheism. Atheism is just evidence of apostasy, as would be believing in the wrong God.
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This is not special pleading. If you go back to the originating post on this, the topic was atheism. That is the topic my posts were concerning and had nothing to do with Islam or any other religion/group specifically. I was making no special pleading for atheism.

As for 'atheism is just evidence of apostasy", I would disagree. Atheism is a form of apostasy in many countries. Atheism renounces religion which is the very definition of apostasy.
"the abandonment or renunciation of a religious or political belief."

I still assert that you are splitting hairs. But, we'll have to agree to disagree about this as we are in danger of derailing the thread. :D
 
Trebuchet said:
My wife had CNN on this morning. They were showing Shifty Lindsey asking questions of the IG then interrupting before he could open his mouth.
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My nickname for Lindsay is "Richard Rich" after the character in "A Man For All Seasons" who will sell his soul and betray anybody for political advantage and to get on the good side of Henry the VIII.
 
SezMe said:
Here's a couple of paragraphs written by Max Boot at WaPo about the consequences of Trump's defaming people:
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Very interesting. I also read a recent interview with Linda Page, the former FBI lawyer. She has been bashed repeatedly by Trump. When he read text messages between Page and Peter Strzok at a rally in Minneapolis, and pretended to have an orgasm, Page said, that was "the straw that broke the camel’s back,” and she decided to finally speak out.

It was fascinating to read, especially what it's like for a private citizen to be called out in personal terms on social media by someone who happens to be president of the United States. She said it's horrible. That almost all of what he has said and written about her was, at best misleading, and at worst, deliberate falsehoods. But!

When you're lying in bed at 1 am thinking it all over -- because you can't get to sleep -- you have to wonder: he IS the president of the United States and he obviously despises me. What can he do to get back at me? What might he do? Would it involve my family? How concerned should I be? How far might he take this?

The other thing is, she cringes when people seem to recognize her on the street. Always fearing they might be some crazy Trump supporter who might do something...crazy. :(

Trump is really garbage.

If it was his buddy in Moscow, sometime in the next couple of years we'd be expecting to read about Linda Page's mysterious death. But Trump is too much of a punk to do something like that as much as he probably would like to.
 
newyorkguy said:
Very interesting. I also read a recent interview with Linda Page, the former FBI lawyer. She has been bashed repeatedly by Trump. When he read text messages between Page and Peter Strzok at a rally in Minneapolis, and pretended to have an orgasm, Page said, that was "the straw that broke the camel’s back,” and she decided to finally speak out.

It was fascinating to read, especially what it's like for a private citizen to be called out in personal terms on social media by someone who happens to be president of the United States. She said it's horrible. That almost all of what he has said and written about her was, at best misleading, and at worst, deliberate falsehoods. But!

When you're lying in bed at 1 am thinking it all over -- because you can't get to sleep -- you have to wonder: he IS the president of the United States and he obviously despises me. What can he do to get back at me? What might he do? Would it involve my family? How concerned should I be? How far might he take this?

The other thing is, she cringes when people seem to recognize her on the street. Always fearing they might be some crazy Trump supporter who might do something...crazy. :(

Trump is really garbage.

If it was his buddy in Moscow, sometime in the next couple of years we'd be expecting to read about Linda Page's mysterious death. But Trump is too much of a punk to do something like that as much as he probably would like to.
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No. Then he'd lose her as a punching bag for his 12-year old style of playground bullying. He gets far too much enjoyment out of that. Jerk.
 
dudalb said:
My nickname for Lindsay is "Richard Rich" after the character in "A Man For All Seasons" who will sell his soul and betray anybody for political advantage and to get on the good side of Henry the VIII.
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John Hurt is good with those kind of characters.
 
Planigale said:
I make the point because this is special pleading by Atheists. The real issue is religious freedom, the freedom to believe in whichever God or not. The crime is apostasy (as mentioned in your quote above) not atheism. Atheism is just evidence of apostasy, as would be believing in the wrong God.
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I went to a cathedral once in Iran. One of the tour guides bought a crucifix there - and wore it. If I hadn't known better, I would have sworn he was Mexican.

As the young man at Vank Cathedral told us, he was discriminated against in subtle ways. He couldn't get a government job. Christians also aren't allowed to use certain "Muslim" names. But Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians are officially tolerated. There was even a restaurant run by Hare Krishnas. I never figured that one out.
 
newyorkguy said:
Very interesting. I also read a recent interview with Linda Page, the former FBI lawyer. She has been bashed repeatedly by Trump. When he read text messages between Page and Peter Strzok at a rally in Minneapolis, and pretended to have an orgasm, Page said, that was "the straw that broke the camel’s back,” and she decided to finally speak out.

It was fascinating to read, especially what it's like for a private citizen to be called out in personal terms on social media by someone who happens to be president of the United States. She said it's horrible. That almost all of what he has said and written about her was, at best misleading, and at worst, deliberate falsehoods. But!

When you're lying in bed at 1 am thinking it all over -- because you can't get to sleep -- you have to wonder: he IS the president of the United States and he obviously despises me. What can he do to get back at me? What might he do? Would it involve my family? How concerned should I be? How far might he take this?

The other thing is, she cringes when people seem to recognize her on the street. Always fearing they might be some crazy Trump supporter who might do something...crazy. :(

Trump is really garbage.

If it was his buddy in Moscow, sometime in the next couple of years we'd be expecting to read about Linda Page's mysterious death. But Trump is too much of a punk to do something like that as much as he probably would like to.
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No.

The evidence shows that Trump knows that his Brownshirts are likely to target her for violence.

Trump is a terrorist

And he should be dealt with as one
 
newyorkguy said:
Not that it really matters, but I doubt very much that is a photo-shopped image.
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Yeah, it didn't really matter in a substantive way. It's just that the way that the faces looked in the picture seemed... to not match the rest of the picture properly? It might be the result of something like resizing? No objection to the contents, though.

To poke elsewhere...

Giuliani associate Parnas attempted to hide $1 million payment from Russia, allege prosecutors

Anyone surprised?

Trump criticizes own security staff for not roughing up a woman protesting his Pennsylvania rally

At least it was a little less explicit than previous calls for violence that he's made.

Louie Gohmert tries to sneak the whistleblower's name into the Congressional record

A person he thinks is the whistleblower, at least. Either way, the continued focus on the whistleblower is beyond absurd - unless one thinks of it as nothing more than a cynical ploy to seek vengeance for outing wrongs of Dear Leader.
 
dudalb said:
You need to find some more sources;she got huge coverage in most news media.
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I'm sorry, but just because she got huge coverage in your bubble doesn't make my bubble defective. Assuming that I should've heard of her more is pretentious.

ETA: My point wasn't that she didn't deserve it, it was that I was surprised that she had a much greater impact than I had anticipated based on what I heard.
 
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Aridas said:
A person he thinks is the whistleblower, at least. Either way, the continued focus on the whistleblower is beyond absurd - unless one thinks of it as nothing more than a cynical ploy to seek vengeance for outing wrongs of Dear Leader.
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Correction and addition a bit late. Intimidating other potential whistleblowers is also reason.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Donald Trump Jr. Tweeted
Time leaves out the Hong Kong Protesters fighting for their lives and freedoms to push a teen being used as a marketing gimmick. How dare you?
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For a moment I thought, “that guy has balls,” then I realized that he has no idea what those words mean. He hears people say that about members of the Trump family and knows they are insulting, but he doesn’t fully understand them. Remember, this is the guy who drove through Arlington and was reminded of the sacrifices that his family made.
 
Ladewig said:
For a moment I thought, “that guy has balls,” then I realized that he has no idea what those words mean. He hears people say that about members of the Trump family and knows they are insulting, but he doesn’t fully understand them. Remember, this is the guy who drove through Arlington and was reminded of the sacrifices that his family made.
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This is Jnr's disingenuous play on Thunberg's "How dare you" speech at the UN climate change event.
 
Trump Tweets

I will be there in two weeks, The Southern White House!

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Aridas said:
...Trump criticizes own security staff for not roughing up a woman protesting his Pennsylvania rally

At least it was a little less explicit than previous calls for violence that he's made...
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To go into this little more. Trump drew the crowd's attention to the lone protester by yelling,
“Get her out,” he demanded, gesturing the “out” signal with his thumb. Footage showed a guard holding his arms above the woman and trying to guide her to the exit of the pen, but not touching her as she waved her sign and gave the finger to Trump:
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Trump then disparaged the security person:
Trump was still out for blood, so he went after the security guard. “I’ll tell you, law enforcement’s so great. That particular guy wanted to be so politically correct.” Trump waved his arms and punctuated his barbs with what Mazza describes as “moaning.”
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The reality is, given his experience on The Apprentice, where they did micro polling of the audience. Trump learned to be successful, he has to play up to what the audience wants. His audience, at any rate.
The packed stadium crowd roared its approval as Trump mocked the security guard’s cautious treatment of the protester. “We don’t want to be politically correct,” he said. “I don’t know who he was. He didn’t do the greatest job.”
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Who knows what Trump really thinks. This is about playing to his audience. And it's very dangerous. Not that Trump would care; I'm certain he doesn't.

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They were just upset that I demanded they pay their fair share for NATO. Their countries are delinquent. I raised $530 Billion more from NATO countries! Thank you Charles.

Charles V Payne
@cvpayne
So, let me get this straight. Canada lost 71,000 jobs last month (equvilent to US losing 500,000) and Paris is shutdown from massive strike over awful economy and governance. But Trudeau & Macron found time to snicker at Trump?
Really?
 
Trump Tweets

So ridiculous. Greta must work on her Anger Management problem, then go to a good old fashioned movie with a friend! Chill Greta, Chill!
 
newyorkguy said:
...When he read text messages between Page and Peter Strzok at a rally in Minneapolis, and pretended to have an orgasm...
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The president of the United States, in front of a packed rally, pretending to have an orgasm? The crowd cheering him on? How can this be? Even here it passes by without comment.

The president of the United States, in front of a packed rally, pretending to have an orgasm? Remember the outrage when Obama wore a tan suit? People saying it was demeaning to the office of the presidency?

What has happened?
 
newyorkguy said:
To go into this little more. Trump drew the crowd's attention to the lone protester by yelling,





Trump then disparaged the security person:





The reality is, given his experience on The Apprentice, where they did micro polling of the audience. Trump learned to be successful, he has to play up to what the audience wants. His audience, at any rate.





Who knows what Trump really thinks. This is about playing to his audience. And it's very dangerous. Not that Trump would care; I'm certain he doesn't.



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I think the classic example of this is when he got to the point of saying Obama founded ISIS, if you watch that clip you can see that all he does is react to the crowd.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
They were just upset that I demanded they pay their fair share for NATO. Their countries are delinquent. I raised $530 Billion more from NATO countries! Thank you Charles.

Charles V Payne
@cvpayne
So, let me get this straight. Canada lost 71,000 jobs last month (equvilent to US losing 500,000) and Paris is shutdown from massive strike over awful economy and governance. But Trudeau & Macron found time to snicker at Trump?
Really?
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Thing is, I think Trump is generally right about wanting other countries to meet their NATO obligations. As usual, however, he finds a dickhead way of saying it and acting on it.
 
Belz... said:
Thing is, I think Trump is generally right about wanting other countries to meet their NATO obligations. As usual, however, he finds a dickhead way of saying it and acting on it.
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He also takes credit for the increase that was agreed to in the Obama administration.
 
Belz... said:
Thing is, I think Trump is generally right about wanting other countries to meet their NATO obligations. As usual, however, he finds a dickhead way of saying it and acting on it.
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The whole point of NATO is to counter Russia. With the American president a faithful stooge of Russia, and Russia unopposed in conquering neighboring territory, NATO seems toothless regardless of how it's funded.
 
alfaniner said:
Apparently it did.

What a prick.
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Greta has changed her Twitter bio to

A teenager working on her anger management problem. Currently chilling and watching a good old fashioned movie with a friend.
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https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Mockery really seems to piss off Trump, it's probably the best response to his petty jabs. Trump's whole thing is grievance politics and uninhibited viciousness. Laughing at him is the best counter.
 
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