The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017 - Part III - Page 60

halleyscomet · 13th January 2020, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Gamolon

So what happened to the other two universities and the two (at least two) survey companies you asked to take readings?

I'm sure he has excuses for each one. For example:

Gamolon · 13th January 2020, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by halleyscomet

I'm sure he has excuses for each one. For example:

https://i.imgur.com/pqXQiRzl.png

https://i.imgur.com/2o71pyn.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8IzcfEP.gif

Reality Check · 13th January 2020, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Bjarne

TR is not capable to comprehend physic responsible for :...

14 January 2020 Bjarne: Usual ignorant delusions and lies about "TR" (theory of relativity)
The main delusion is that his RR, etc, delusions that comprehend nothing are supported by gaps in mainstream comprehension. Lot of lies about non-relativistic phenomena, e.g. the origins of oceans.

The debated dark flow is comprehended as an effect of gravity from mass outside of the visible universe.
GR explains dark energy (a positive cosmological constant).
Dark matter as non-baryonic particles is the realm of quantum mechanics.
Repeats an deluded lie that the Pioneer Anomalies are no comprehended as a thermal recoil effect.
'Oumuamua's non-gravitational acceleration is possibly solar radiation pressure.
The Allais Effect has been debunked.
"The planet X inclination pattern" gibberish.
There is no planet called X. There were proposed Planet X's to explain orbital irregularities that lead to the discovery of Pluto. There is suggestions of massive trans-Neptunian objects that are labeled "Planet X"'s.
"Spooky Alignment of Quasars Across Billions of Light-years" is not relativity.
"Mysterious Ring Galaxies" is not relativity.
A "Arp. Halton Controversy" lie.
Arp. Halton had invalid ideas about quasars, e.g. being ejected from galaxies because he basically imagined alignments. There was no controversy because his invalid ideas were ignored.
"Mysterious dance of dwarf galaxies" is not relativity.
A "Jupiter's Migration Miracle" lie and not relativity .
Models using Newtonian gravity show that the current Solar System results from a Jupiter migrating from closer to the Sun from the textbook physics of interaction with Saturn, etc.
A "Extrasolar Hot Jupiter: Planets That 'Shouldn’t Exist'" lie and not relativity .
Hot Jupiters were a surprising discovery with current explanations.
The origins of Earth's oceans is not relativity !
The history of Mercury is not relativity !
A deluded "what we have is noting as speculation" lie about the origin of the Moon and not relativity!
Origin of the Moon
"Mysterious Ultra-Red Galaxies" are not relativity.
A deluded "how did some galaxies without dark matter form" question and not relativity.
"More than 99,9999999999999999999 % of the universe, we dont understand" insanity.
We understand close to 100% of the universe - that is the Lambda-CDM cosmology model + the Standard Model.

halleyscomet · 14th January 2020, 08:59 AM

I'd like to ask everyone to lay off Bjarne for a bit. He just gave us a good hunk of content with the whole "Dark Flow proven by eclipse" storyline, but now that the eclipse has passed and there are no readings to discuss, trying to drag out that arc will just result in increasingly sad "excuses for the plot holes" posts like the one below:

Originally Posted by Bjarne

Yes but invoice for the repair was first pay last week, so the meter was send back too late

Let's all give Bjarne a rest so he can come up with some new content. I'm largely pleased with how the last arc played out, even though it ended with more of a whimper than anything else. If we keep harping on the lackluster conclusion it will only draw out efforts to either continue the storyline or worse yet, encourage Bjarne to try and use it as the basis for the next arc. There isn't enough meat on those bones for another arc. Anything else derived from it will be a thin broth indeed.

MRC_Hans · 14th January 2020, 01:19 PM

Agreed.

Hans

malbui · 14th January 2020, 02:08 PM

I'm happy for Bjarne to stay on as showrunner, but I reckon he needs to bring in a really top-notch script editor to keep things tight and avoid repetition, and also hire a good scientific advisor to make sure the pseudoscience at least sounds coherent and vaguely plausible.

Might also be worth planning a season of say 10 really chunky episodes rather than a full 23-episode run that risks getting flabby in the middle.

halleyscomet · 14th January 2020, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by malbui

I'm happy for Bjarne to stay on as showrunner, but I reckon he needs to bring in a really top-notch script editor to keep things tight and avoid repetition, and also hire a good scientific advisor to make sure the pseudoscience at least sounds coherent and vaguely plausible.

Might also be worth planning a season of say 10 really chunky episodes rather than a full 23-episode run that risks getting flabby in the middle.

I disagree on the need for a science advisor. Bjarne’s complete disconnect from real science is the core of the humor. It would be like having Archie from “Duffy’s Tavern” consult a dictionary before speaking or having Cliff Calvin fact check. Having Bjarne work with someone who actually understands science at a layman’s level or better would ruin the joke.

I agree with you on the need for tighter runs. This one, despite the flabby finish, was tight, fast, and stuck to the core until just before the end. We’ve had a LOT of flabby, haphazard episodes from Bjarne. I think the first 85% to 90% of this run should be Bjarne’s targeted quality level from here on out.

Mojo · 14th January 2020, 02:43 PM

The next eclipse isn’t until June, so Bjarne should have plenty of time to get everything ready.

Robin · 14th January 2020, 03:41 PM

As far as I know Bjarne is not doing this with any intention to troll.

The fact that he often makes insulting comments doesn't mean we have to be insulting in return.

No virtue signalling here, I have been joining in on pile-ons quite a lot in the past, I have often been one of the worst offenders.

halleyscomet · 14th January 2020, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Robin

As far as I know Bjarne is not doing this with any intention to troll.

The fact that he often makes insulting comments doesn't mean we have to be insulting in return.

No virtue signalling here, I have been joining in on pile-ons quite a lot in the past, I have often been one of the worst offenders.

I am convinced he is trolling. I do not believe for one second that he is sincere. I am playing along with what I consider to be an obvious piece of extended performance art. I am not trying to be insulting or mean. I am trying to offer sincere and constructive feedback to someone who is putting a lot of effort into a comedy routine.

Reality Check · 14th January 2020, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Bjarne

... DTU's CG 5 was in USA for calibration, and was not home 10 January .

He mentions the DTU which first appeared in this thread over a year ago: 6 June 2018 Bjarne: A "DFA is soon a indisputable fact" lie by linking to one of his PDFs on the internet.

What he has is a November 10, 2017 "Extension to the Cause of the Allais Effect Solved" paper in the dubious 'Frontiers of Astronomy, Astrophysics and Cosmology' journal. No reputable journal would accept a paper that does not give proper credit to the people who collected the data or even give the data! The uncited "DTU (Denmark)" did some gravimeter readings near the Scoresbysund airport from 7 August 21.50 UTC to 8 August at 09.08.

The lie is that he predicted "about 50 µGal" in his previous article when it was 35 μGal (±10 μGal). His prediction has a maximum force and so acceleration at the time of he eclipse. No measurements were done at the time of the eclipse! The measured peak is hours after the eclipse. Thus 7 June 2018 Bjarne: A "35 μGal (±10 μGal) significant anomaly at the time measurement was done" double lie.

DTU = Technical University of Denmark.

halleyscomet · 17th January 2020, 03:18 AM

While we’re waiting for Bjarne’s next installment, here’s an article about the aether, the inspiration and model for Bjarne’s mythical “Dark Flow.”

The Eternal Quest for Aether, the Cosmic Stuff That Never Was

Quote:

Aristotle called it the fifth element. Alchemists thought it was the key to the philosopher’s stone. Scientists believed it was the stuff light moved through. But it never existed at all.

One of the parts I find the most interesting is that the death of the aether theory lead to the theory of the universal speed of light. This in turn is what lead to Relativity. The death of the theory Bjarne’s character is championing in rebranded form lead to the theory he claims to be attacking.

MRC_Hans · 25th January 2020, 09:47 AM

AH, Bjarne seems to have taken a holiday from this forum, as he usually does when the going gets rough.

Hans

halleyscomet · 25th January 2020, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

AH, Bjarne seems to have taken a holiday from this forum, as he usually does when the going gets rough.

Hans

That or “Solon” is a sock puppet account of his and he’s just switching up the nonsense being peddled for humor value.

MRC_Hans · 25th January 2020, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by halleyscomet

That or “Solon” is a sock puppet account of his and he’s just switching up the nonsense being peddled for humor value.

No dice. Solon writes fine English, and has a totally different agenda.

Hans

halleyscomet · 25th January 2020, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

No dice. Solon writes fine English, and has a totally different agenda.

Solon could be his sober persona and Bjarne what he does when he falls off the wagon.

Pixel42 · 25th January 2020, 09:52 PM

Do you think any of these physics crackpots ever read each other's theories and think "what a crackpot"?

MRC_Hans · 26th January 2020, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Pixel42

Do you think any of these physics crackpots ever read each other's theories and think "what a crackpot"?

Well, if you notice, they mostly avoid discussing with each other. Which is a bit interesting: While they presumably view anybody who disagree with them as crackpots, they obviously strongly prefer to discuss with scientifically minded people.

Hans

MRC_Hans · 26th January 2020, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by halleyscomet

Solon could be his sober persona and Bjarne what he does when he falls off the wagon.

Well, I don't wanna discuss persons in this thread, but if those two are the same IRL, that person has some SERIOUS isues!

Hans

halleyscomet · 27th January 2020, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

Well, I don't wanna discuss persons in this thread, but if those two are the same IRL, that person has some SERIOUS isues!

Just imagine how much worse it would be for them if the mods found evidence of sock puppetry!

MRC_Hans · 27th January 2020, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by halleyscomet

Just imagine how much worse it would be for them if the mods found evidence of sock puppetry!

A drop in the ocean, IMHO.

Hans

halleyscomet · 26th February 2020, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by Bjarne

Yes but invoice for the repair was first pay last week, so the meter was send back too late

Bjarne,

Any fresh material?

We're currently having a bit of a drought of good anti-science crack-pottery. I'm having to get my "point and laugh" fix from a guy claiming the Sun only emits gamma rays and that the void of space has no light. He doesn't put a FRACTION of the effort into his act that you do.

I'll understand if you've decided to retire from your act. It must take a lot of time to put together the high quality BS levels you typically maintain. The current lackluster posers really highlight just how good your high points were.

MRC_Hans · 8th March 2020, 11:01 AM

Or, Bjarne could use his "holiday" to actually read up on some science (don't worry, Bjarne, we won't tell anybody). I suggest starting with the law of thermodynamics. Unlike e.g. the theory of relativity, it is pretty easy to understand, the mathematics is accessible without a college degree, and it has been verified daily for a couple of centuries.

In fact I recommend this for all who are trying to invent any kind of alternative cosmology: Learn thermodynamics and see if your thesis complies with it. If it doesn't, you have made some mistake.

Hans

Crossbow · 12th March 2020, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by Pixel42

Do you think any of these physics crackpots ever read each other's theories and think "what a crackpot"?

I have found that crackpot spouters usually avoid doing talking directly with other crackpot spouters since they get into disagreements as to which crackpot physics is actually the correct crackpot physics so things never get resolved.

MRC_Hans · 12th March 2020, 01:02 PM

Well, it seems they do recognize BS, as long as it isn't their own.

Hans

Bjarne · 14th March 2020, 08:13 AM

The lunar eclipse on 7 August 18.20 UTC 2017, - was predicted to be a possible event to test the consequences of the MTR

Several universities (on the northern hemisphere) was encouraged to measure Acceleration Due to Gravity on that day.
Unfortunately, only DTU (Denmark) promised to see what they could do as they had a gravity measurement project going on in Greenland anyway (measuring how fast the inland ice is melting).
At the time of contacting DTU, the measurement teams had already scheduled the 2017 summer measurement missions to Greenland as well as the time to arrive at and leave various measurement places.

Early in the morning on 7 August (the day of the Lunar Eclipse), the team had scheduled to fly (by helicopter) from an inland measurement station and to Scorebysund airport and then to continue measuring ADG near that airport - 12 hours before and after the lunar eclipse - starting in the morning of 7 August and until morning on the following day, 8 August.
However, bad weather delayed the flight to the airport, and the gravity measurement (the day of the eclipse) was not started until 21.50 UTC.
This was 3.5 hours after the culmination of the lunar eclipse. The measurement was competed 9.00 UTC a clock in the morning.
An CG5 relative and A10 gravimeter was used. The measurement result is shown by the 2 graphs below.

Uncorrected

Tidal and Earth Correction

The relative instrument revealed a 30μGal anomaly (sinus curve).
The absolute A10 gravimeter did not detect anything.

The explanation of what really was going on very early that morning is: that all kind of gravimeters can only measure (more or less) a vertical (addition) force vector.
The absolute A10 gravimeter do not allow much deviation from “absolute vertical”.
However, the CG5 relative gravimeter, allows (relative to the A10) much larger deviation.

From the CG5-data we can see that the anomaly lasted 4 hours.
The rotation speed of earth, at the surface of the Earth is at that position of the earth (Scorebysund) about 600 km/h.
Which mean that the CG5 could detect the anomaly from start to culmination, on a 1200 km path. (and after that also also fading out 2 hours / on a 1200 km path)

At the anomaly culmination point the additional force vector is pointing (more or less) straight into the earth.

The coordinates for Scorebysund are: Latitude: 70.483°N - Longitude: 21.95°W.
The rotation of the Earth brought the gravimeter (placed on Latitude: 70.483°N) to an almost perfect measurement position, - where a significant part of the unknown force that day could be measured. (However the perfect latitude is still not known, - but we are very close)

It will of course be time consuming to fintune / measure exactly which latitude is the perfect masureemnet position ( whether it is further north or south relative to Latitude: 70.483°N)

So soon this exact position if found it is expected that all kind of gravimeters is able to measure that unknown force.
The exact position cannot be many hundred kilometers away (north/south) from Scorebysund (Latitude: 70.483°N).
To confirm the theory further (and as fast as possible) measurement close to latitude: 70.483°N must have highest priority.

It is now easy to predict exactly what time this anomaly is possible to measure, hence also what time the anomaly will culminate (morning,evening, night etc.).
See the image above for reference

steenkh · 15th March 2020, 11:57 AM

Hi Bjarne, welcome back.

There is no source for your graphs, and the description of the axes are illegible. Surely, you must have got these graphs from the highly interesting research papers that the DTU team has published in the 2 1/2 years that passed since measurements. What does the DTU team suggest as an explanation for the supposed anomaly?

Bjarne · 15th March 2020, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by steenkh

Hi Bjarne, welcome back.
There is no source for your graphs,

Click at the images, its simple Excel based on data

Quote:

and the description of the axes are illegible.

I do not understand your question

Quote:

Surely, you must have got these graphs from the highly interesting research papers that the DTU team has published in the 2 1/2 years that passed since measurements. What does the DTU team suggest as an explanation for the supposed anomaly?

Irrelevant, no one can imagine how much of our paradigm really is "off". So there is only one option, - not to trust your instrument.

abaddon · 15th March 2020, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Bjarne

Click at the images, its simple Excel based on data

Then provide the underlying data.

Originally Posted by Bjarne

I do not understand your question

Your attachments have such crappy resolution that it is difficult to read them. What part of that is difficult for you to understand?

Originally Posted by Bjarne

Irrelevant, no one can imagine how much of our paradigm really is "off". So there is only one option, - not to trust your instrument.

Baloney.

Reality Check · 15th March 2020, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Bjarne

The lunar eclipse on 7 August 18.20 UTC 2017, - was predicted to be a possible event to test the consequences of the MTR

Bjarne repeats his insane lie about the lunar eclipse on 7 August 18.20 UTC 2017.
The DTU measured that there was a peak in their gravimeter measurements hours after the time of the eclipse which they did not manage to record. That is what would be expected for a delayed change in rock density caused by a change in temperature, for example a little thing called dawn!
Bjarne predicted a peak in their gravimeter measurements at the time of the eclipse which is not even in the data and Bjarne knows that

! Thus the insanity of his lie.

Bjarne's usual stupidity of unsourced graphs. A probable "30μGal anomaly" lie when in 2018 it was "35 μGal (±10 μGal)". Lots of ignorant gibberish.
Bjarne probably has a deluded "Tidal and Earth Correction" lie. Many years of abysmal ignorance of physics suggests that Bjarne is incapable of applying real physical corrections to data. The "corrected" graph looks like he just moved a set of data up which would be stupid given that tidal correction change with time.

6 June 2018 Bjarne: A "DFA is soon a indisputable fact" lie by linking to one of his PDFs on the internet.
7 June 2018 Bjarne: A "35 μGal (±10 μGal) significant anomaly at the time measurement was done" double lie.

Bjarne · 15th March 2020, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by abaddon

Then provide the underlying data.
Your attachments have such crappy resolution that it is difficult to read them. What part of that is difficult for you to understand?
aloney.

Bjarne · 15th March 2020, 09:48 PM

steenkh · 16th March 2020, 11:19 AM

Well, before we know that there is an anomaly, we need to know what were the expected values?
What factors would influence the meters? What is the resolution here? As Reality Check suggests, could temperature changes have this effect? Did it rain? Did a truck park nearby, etc. ?

As I asked before, what were comments of the research team?

MRC_Hans · 16th March 2020, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by steenkh

Well, before we know that there is an anomaly, we need to know what were the expected values?
What factors would influence the meters? What is the resolution here? As Reality Check suggests, could temperature changes have this effect? Did it rain? Did a truck park nearby, etc. ?

As I asked before, what were comments of the research team?

And, really most important of all, whatever the results are, how do you argue that they support your theory? ... Because your earlier explanation about how Earth is suddenly accelerated "upwards" is nonsense.

Hans

halleyscomet · 16th March 2020, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Bjarne

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...f05244f576.png

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...f06219f814.jpg

Thank you for coming back Bjarne. During these trying times of working from home when we'd rather not, bog paper shortages, and school closings, it's pleasant to have a bit of absurdist entertainment.

Reality Check · 16th March 2020, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Bjarne

Absolute...

A data list that ignores that Bjarne lied.
Bjarne repeats his insane lie about the lunar eclipse on 7 August 18.20 UTC 2017 as pointed out back in June 2018

!

Reality Check · 16th March 2020, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Bjarne

...

The images that show Bjarne lied.
Bjarne repeats his insane lie about the lunar eclipse on 7 August 18.20 UTC 2017 as pointed out back in June 2018

!

Reality Check · 16th March 2020, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

And, really most important of all, whatever the results are, how do you argue that they support your theory? ... Because your earlier explanation about how Earth is suddenly accelerated "upwards" is nonsense.

Hans

The main problem with his "Earth is suddenly accelerated "upwards"" gibberish is that is how he predicts a peak at the time of the eclipse. The data not including the time of the eclipse is what makes his assertion of a match a lie. He knows that the peak is hours after the eclipse so that makes his lie insane.
Even the images are manipulated to support his lie. Where is his prediction plotted against the measurements as any high school science student knows is how science is done? By merely stating that he has a peak, he conceals that the data debunks his delusions.

There is also a small lie by omission. Look at the list of data he gives. That is plotted in his first image. So where does the second "Tidal and Earth Correction" image come from? What corrections did he do?

A quote from his "Erratum to “The Cause of the Allais Effect Solved" PDF: "The disagreement between the 2 different kinds of gravimeters is expected to be around maximum 40 μGal". His statement of 30 μGal in his post does not match his prediction. But that "30 μGal" is a lie! Eyeballing his images hives a difference at the peak of 25+/-3 μGal.

halleyscomet · 17th March 2020, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by Reality Check

The main problem with his "Earth is suddenly accelerated "upwards"" gibberish is that is how he predicts a peak at the time of the eclipse. The data not including the time of the eclipse is what makes his assertion of a match a lie. He knows that the peak is hours after the eclipse so that makes his lie insane.
Even the images are manipulated to support his lie. Where is his prediction plotted against the measurements as any high school science student knows is how science is done? By merely stating that he has a peak, he conceals that the data debunks his delusions.

Bjarne has cooked the data so much Gordon Ramsay is comparing it to charcoal.

Bjarne · 17th March 2020, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by steenkh

Well, before we know that there is an anomaly, we need to know what were the expected values?

That day and time , expected is as the anomaly shows

Quote:

What factors would influence the meters? What is the resolution here? As Reality Check suggests, could temperature changes have this effect? Did it rain? Did a truck park nearby, etc. ?

Everyone can easy goods temp that day, - for Scorebysund
The temperature variation (during that day and night) was recorded to 8 °C. - 3
The night temperature variation therefore must have been much less than 8 °C.
Such insignificant temperature variation is far from enough to explain the cause of such a significant anomaly that was measured that da

Quote:

As I asked before, what were comments of the research team?

Irrelevant

13th January 2020, 01:04 PM	#2361
halleyscomet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 10,259	Originally Posted by Gamolon So what happened to the other two universities and the two (at least two) survey companies you asked to take readings? I'm sure he has excuses for each one. For example:
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13th January 2020, 01:07 PM	#2362
Gamolon Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,440	Originally Posted by halleyscomet I'm sure he has excuses for each one. For example: https://i.imgur.com/pqXQiRzl.png https://i.imgur.com/2o71pyn.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8IzcfEP.gif
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13th January 2020, 02:16 PM	#2363
Reality Check Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 27,668	Usual ignorant delusions and lies about "TR" (theory of relativity) Originally Posted by Bjarne TR is not capable to comprehend physic responsible for :... 14 January 2020 Bjarne: Usual ignorant delusions and lies about "TR" (theory of relativity) The main delusion is that his RR, etc, delusions that comprehend nothing are supported by gaps in mainstream comprehension. Lot of lies about non-relativistic phenomena, e.g. the origins of oceans. The debated dark flow is comprehended as an effect of gravity from mass outside of the visible universe. GR explains dark energy (a positive cosmological constant). Dark matter as non-baryonic particles is the realm of quantum mechanics. Repeats an deluded lie that the Pioneer Anomalies are no comprehended as a thermal recoil effect. 'Oumuamua's non-gravitational acceleration is possibly solar radiation pressure. The Allais Effect has been debunked. "The planet X inclination pattern" gibberish. There is no planet called X. There were proposed Planet X's to explain orbital irregularities that lead to the discovery of Pluto. There is suggestions of massive trans-Neptunian objects that are labeled "Planet X"'s. "Spooky Alignment of Quasars Across Billions of Light-years" is not relativity. "Mysterious Ring Galaxies" is not relativity. A "Arp. Halton Controversy" lie. Arp. Halton had invalid ideas about quasars, e.g. being ejected from galaxies because he basically imagined alignments. There was no controversy because his invalid ideas were ignored. "Mysterious dance of dwarf galaxies" is not relativity. A "Jupiter's Migration Miracle" lie and not relativity . Models using Newtonian gravity show that the current Solar System results from a Jupiter migrating from closer to the Sun from the textbook physics of interaction with Saturn, etc. A "Extrasolar Hot Jupiter: Planets That 'Shouldn’t Exist'" lie and not relativity . Hot Jupiters were a surprising discovery with current explanations. The origins of Earth's oceans is not relativity ! The history of Mercury is not relativity ! A deluded "what we have is noting as speculation" lie about the origin of the Moon and not relativity! Origin of the Moon "Mysterious Ultra-Red Galaxies" are not relativity. A deluded "how did some galaxies without dark matter form" question and not relativity. "More than 99,9999999999999999999 % of the universe, we dont understand" insanity. We understand close to 100% of the universe - that is the Lambda-CDM cosmology model + the Standard Model.
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14th January 2020, 08:59 AM	#2364
halleyscomet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 10,259	Breaking the Fourth Wall for a Moment I'd like to ask everyone to lay off Bjarne for a bit. He just gave us a good hunk of content with the whole "Dark Flow proven by eclipse" storyline, but now that the eclipse has passed and there are no readings to discuss, trying to drag out that arc will just result in increasingly sad "excuses for the plot holes" posts like the one below: Originally Posted by Bjarne Yes but invoice for the repair was first pay last week, so the meter was send back too late Let's all give Bjarne a rest so he can come up with some new content. I'm largely pleased with how the last arc played out, even though it ended with more of a whimper than anything else. If we keep harping on the lackluster conclusion it will only draw out efforts to either continue the storyline or worse yet, encourage Bjarne to try and use it as the basis for the next arc. There isn't enough meat on those bones for another arc. Anything else derived from it will be a thin broth indeed.
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14th January 2020, 01:19 PM	#2365
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 23,338	Agreed. Hans
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14th January 2020, 02:08 PM	#2366
malbui Beauf Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,754	I'm happy for Bjarne to stay on as showrunner, but I reckon he needs to bring in a really top-notch script editor to keep things tight and avoid repetition, and also hire a good scientific advisor to make sure the pseudoscience at least sounds coherent and vaguely plausible. Might also be worth planning a season of say 10 really chunky episodes rather than a full 23-episode run that risks getting flabby in the middle.
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14th January 2020, 02:30 PM	#2367
halleyscomet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 10,259	Originally Posted by malbui I'm happy for Bjarne to stay on as showrunner, but I reckon he needs to bring in a really top-notch script editor to keep things tight and avoid repetition, and also hire a good scientific advisor to make sure the pseudoscience at least sounds coherent and vaguely plausible. Might also be worth planning a season of say 10 really chunky episodes rather than a full 23-episode run that risks getting flabby in the middle. I disagree on the need for a science advisor. Bjarne’s complete disconnect from real science is the core of the humor. It would be like having Archie from “Duffy’s Tavern” consult a dictionary before speaking or having Cliff Calvin fact check. Having Bjarne work with someone who actually understands science at a layman’s level or better would ruin the joke. I agree with you on the need for tighter runs. This one, despite the flabby finish, was tight, fast, and stuck to the core until just before the end. We’ve had a LOT of flabby, haphazard episodes from Bjarne. I think the first 85% to 90% of this run should be Bjarne’s targeted quality level from here on out.
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14th January 2020, 02:43 PM	#2368
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 33,586	The next eclipse isn’t until June, so Bjarne should have plenty of time to get everything ready.
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14th January 2020, 03:41 PM	#2369
Robin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 12,881	As far as I know Bjarne is not doing this with any intention to troll. The fact that he often makes insulting comments doesn't mean we have to be insulting in return. No virtue signalling here, I have been joining in on pile-ons quite a lot in the past, I have often been one of the worst offenders.
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14th January 2020, 04:03 PM	#2370
halleyscomet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 10,259	Originally Posted by Robin As far as I know Bjarne is not doing this with any intention to troll. The fact that he often makes insulting comments doesn't mean we have to be insulting in return. No virtue signalling here, I have been joining in on pile-ons quite a lot in the past, I have often been one of the worst offenders. I am convinced he is trolling. I do not believe for one second that he is sincere. I am playing along with what I consider to be an obvious piece of extended performance art. I am not trying to be insulting or mean. I am trying to offer sincere and constructive feedback to someone who is putting a lot of effort into a comedy routine.
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14th January 2020, 08:15 PM	#2371
Reality Check Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 27,668	Originally Posted by Bjarne ... DTU's CG 5 was in USA for calibration, and was not home 10 January . He mentions the DTU which first appeared in this thread over a year ago: 6 June 2018 Bjarne: A "DFA is soon a indisputable fact" lie by linking to one of his PDFs on the internet. What he has is a November 10, 2017 "Extension to the Cause of the Allais Effect Solved" paper in the dubious 'Frontiers of Astronomy, Astrophysics and Cosmology' journal. No reputable journal would accept a paper that does not give proper credit to the people who collected the data or even give the data! The uncited "DTU (Denmark)" did some gravimeter readings near the Scoresbysund airport from 7 August 21.50 UTC to 8 August at 09.08. The lie is that he predicted "about 50 µGal" in his previous article when it was 35 μGal (±10 μGal). His prediction has a maximum force and so acceleration at the time of he eclipse. No measurements were done at the time of the eclipse! The measured peak is hours after the eclipse. Thus 7 June 2018 Bjarne: A "35 μGal (±10 μGal) significant anomaly at the time measurement was done" double lie. DTU = Technical University of Denmark.
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17th January 2020, 03:18 AM	#2372
halleyscomet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 10,259	While we’re waiting for Bjarne’s next installment, here’s an article about the aether, the inspiration and model for Bjarne’s mythical “Dark Flow.” The Eternal Quest for Aether, the Cosmic Stuff That Never Was Quote: Aristotle called it the fifth element. Alchemists thought it was the key to the philosopher’s stone. Scientists believed it was the stuff light moved through. But it never existed at all. One of the parts I find the most interesting is that the death of the aether theory lead to the theory of the universal speed of light. This in turn is what lead to Relativity. The death of the theory Bjarne’s character is championing in rebranded form lead to the theory he claims to be attacking.
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25th January 2020, 09:47 AM	#2373
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 23,338	AH, Bjarne seems to have taken a holiday from this forum, as he usually does when the going gets rough. Hans
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25th January 2020, 02:35 PM	#2374
halleyscomet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 10,259	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans AH, Bjarne seems to have taken a holiday from this forum, as he usually does when the going gets rough. Hans That or “Solon” is a sock puppet account of his and he’s just switching up the nonsense being peddled for humor value.
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25th January 2020, 04:30 PM	#2375
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 23,338	Originally Posted by halleyscomet That or “Solon” is a sock puppet account of his and he’s just switching up the nonsense being peddled for humor value. No dice. Solon writes fine English, and has a totally different agenda. Hans
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25th January 2020, 08:32 PM	#2376
halleyscomet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 10,259	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans No dice. Solon writes fine English, and has a totally different agenda. Solon could be his sober persona and Bjarne what he does when he falls off the wagon.
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25th January 2020, 09:52 PM	#2377
Pixel42 Schrödinger's cat Join Date: May 2004 Location: Malmesbury, UK Posts: 12,845	Do you think any of these physics crackpots ever read each other's theories and think "what a crackpot"?
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26th January 2020, 10:34 AM	#2378
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 23,338	Originally Posted by Pixel42 Do you think any of these physics crackpots ever read each other's theories and think "what a crackpot"? Well, if you notice, they mostly avoid discussing with each other. Which is a bit interesting: While they presumably view anybody who disagree with them as crackpots, they obviously strongly prefer to discuss with scientifically minded people. Hans
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26th January 2020, 10:35 AM	#2379
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 23,338	Originally Posted by halleyscomet Solon could be his sober persona and Bjarne what he does when he falls off the wagon. Well, I don't wanna discuss persons in this thread, but if those two are the same IRL, that person has some SERIOUS isues! Hans
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27th January 2020, 06:46 AM	#2380
halleyscomet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 10,259	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans Well, I don't wanna discuss persons in this thread, but if those two are the same IRL, that person has some SERIOUS isues! Just imagine how much worse it would be for them if the mods found evidence of sock puppetry!
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27th January 2020, 11:12 AM	#2381
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 23,338	Originally Posted by halleyscomet Just imagine how much worse it would be for them if the mods found evidence of sock puppetry! A drop in the ocean, IMHO. Hans
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26th February 2020, 07:21 AM	#2382
halleyscomet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 10,259	Originally Posted by Bjarne Yes but invoice for the repair was first pay last week, so the meter was send back too late Bjarne, Any fresh material? We're currently having a bit of a drought of good anti-science crack-pottery. I'm having to get my "point and laugh" fix from a guy claiming the Sun only emits gamma rays and that the void of space has no light. He doesn't put a FRACTION of the effort into his act that you do. I'll understand if you've decided to retire from your act. It must take a lot of time to put together the high quality BS levels you typically maintain. The current lackluster posers really highlight just how good your high points were.
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8th March 2020, 11:01 AM	#2383
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 23,338	Or, Bjarne could use his "holiday" to actually read up on some science (don't worry, Bjarne, we won't tell anybody). I suggest starting with the law of thermodynamics. Unlike e.g. the theory of relativity, it is pretty easy to understand, the mathematics is accessible without a college degree, and it has been verified daily for a couple of centuries. In fact I recommend this for all who are trying to invent any kind of alternative cosmology: Learn thermodynamics and see if your thesis complies with it. If it doesn't, you have made some mistake. Hans
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12th March 2020, 05:24 AM	#2384
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 13,241	Originally Posted by Pixel42 Do you think any of these physics crackpots ever read each other's theories and think "what a crackpot"? I have found that crackpot spouters usually avoid doing talking directly with other crackpot spouters since they get into disagreements as to which crackpot physics is actually the correct crackpot physics so things never get resolved.
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12th March 2020, 01:02 PM	#2385
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 23,338	Well, it seems they do recognize BS, as long as it isn't their own. Hans
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14th March 2020, 08:13 AM	#2386
Bjarne Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4,766	The lunar eclipse on 7 August 18.20 UTC 2017, - was predicted to be a possible event to test the consequences of the MTR Several universities (on the northern hemisphere) was encouraged to measure Acceleration Due to Gravity on that day. Unfortunately, only DTU (Denmark) promised to see what they could do as they had a gravity measurement project going on in Greenland anyway (measuring how fast the inland ice is melting). At the time of contacting DTU, the measurement teams had already scheduled the 2017 summer measurement missions to Greenland as well as the time to arrive at and leave various measurement places. Early in the morning on 7 August (the day of the Lunar Eclipse), the team had scheduled to fly (by helicopter) from an inland measurement station and to Scorebysund airport and then to continue measuring ADG near that airport - 12 hours before and after the lunar eclipse - starting in the morning of 7 August and until morning on the following day, 8 August. However, bad weather delayed the flight to the airport, and the gravity measurement (the day of the eclipse) was not started until 21.50 UTC. This was 3.5 hours after the culmination of the lunar eclipse. The measurement was competed 9.00 UTC a clock in the morning. An CG5 relative and A10 gravimeter was used. The measurement result is shown by the 2 graphs below. Uncorrected Tidal and Earth Correction The relative instrument revealed a 30μGal anomaly (sinus curve). The absolute A10 gravimeter did not detect anything. The explanation of what really was going on very early that morning is: that all kind of gravimeters can only measure (more or less) a vertical (addition) force vector. The absolute A10 gravimeter do not allow much deviation from “absolute vertical”. However, the CG5 relative gravimeter, allows (relative to the A10) much larger deviation. From the CG5-data we can see that the anomaly lasted 4 hours. The rotation speed of earth, at the surface of the Earth is at that position of the earth (Scorebysund) about 600 km/h. Which mean that the CG5 could detect the anomaly from start to culmination, on a 1200 km path. (and after that also also fading out 2 hours / on a 1200 km path) At the anomaly culmination point the additional force vector is pointing (more or less) straight into the earth. The coordinates for Scorebysund are: Latitude: 70.483°N - Longitude: 21.95°W. The rotation of the Earth brought the gravimeter (placed on Latitude: 70.483°N) to an almost perfect measurement position, - where a significant part of the unknown force that day could be measured. (However the perfect latitude is still not known, - but we are very close) It will of course be time consuming to fintune / measure exactly which latitude is the perfect masureemnet position ( whether it is further north or south relative to Latitude: 70.483°N) So soon this exact position if found it is expected that all kind of gravimeters is able to measure that unknown force. The exact position cannot be many hundred kilometers away (north/south) from Scorebysund (Latitude: 70.483°N). To confirm the theory further (and as fast as possible) measurement close to latitude: 70.483°N must have highest priority. It is now easy to predict exactly what time this anomaly is possible to measure, hence also what time the anomaly will culminate (morning,evening, night etc.). See the image above for reference
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15th March 2020, 11:57 AM	#2387
steenkh Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 6,105	Hi Bjarne, welcome back. There is no source for your graphs, and the description of the axes are illegible. Surely, you must have got these graphs from the highly interesting research papers that the DTU team has published in the 2 1/2 years that passed since measurements. What does the DTU team suggest as an explanation for the supposed anomaly?
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15th March 2020, 01:12 PM	#2388
Bjarne Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4,766	Originally Posted by steenkh Hi Bjarne, welcome back. There is no source for your graphs, Click at the images, its simple Excel based on data Quote: and the description of the axes are illegible. I do not understand your question Quote: Surely, you must have got these graphs from the highly interesting research papers that the DTU team has published in the 2 1/2 years that passed since measurements. What does the DTU team suggest as an explanation for the supposed anomaly? Irrelevant, no one can imagine how much of our paradigm really is "off". So there is only one option, - not to trust your instrument.
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15th March 2020, 02:18 PM	#2389
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 21,214	Originally Posted by Bjarne Click at the images, its simple Excel based on data Then provide the underlying data. Originally Posted by Bjarne I do not understand your question Your attachments have such crappy resolution that it is difficult to read them. What part of that is difficult for you to understand? Originally Posted by Bjarne Irrelevant, no one can imagine how much of our paradigm really is "off". So there is only one option, - not to trust your instrument. Baloney.
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15th March 2020, 03:39 PM	#2390
Reality Check Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 27,668	Bjarne repeats his insane lie about the lunar eclipse on 7 August 18.20 UTC 2017 Originally Posted by Bjarne The lunar eclipse on 7 August 18.20 UTC 2017, - was predicted to be a possible event to test the consequences of the MTR Bjarne repeats his insane lie about the lunar eclipse on 7 August 18.20 UTC 2017. The DTU measured that there was a peak in their gravimeter measurements hours after the time of the eclipse which they did not manage to record. That is what would be expected for a delayed change in rock density caused by a change in temperature, for example a little thing called dawn! Bjarne predicted a peak in their gravimeter measurements at the time of the eclipse which is not even in the data and Bjarne knows that ! Thus the insanity of his lie. Bjarne's usual stupidity of unsourced graphs. A probable "30μGal anomaly" lie when in 2018 it was "35 μGal (±10 μGal)". Lots of ignorant gibberish. Bjarne probably has a deluded "Tidal and Earth Correction" lie. Many years of abysmal ignorance of physics suggests that Bjarne is incapable of applying real physical corrections to data. The "corrected" graph looks like he just moved a set of data up which would be stupid given that tidal correction change with time. 6 June 2018 Bjarne: A "DFA is soon a indisputable fact" lie by linking to one of his PDFs on the internet. 7 June 2018 Bjarne: A "35 μGal (±10 μGal) significant anomaly at the time measurement was done" double lie.
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15th March 2020, 09:48 PM	#2392
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16th March 2020, 11:19 AM	#2393
steenkh Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 6,105	Well, before we know that there is an anomaly, we need to know what were the expected values? What factors would influence the meters? What is the resolution here? As Reality Check suggests, could temperature changes have this effect? Did it rain? Did a truck park nearby, etc. ? As I asked before, what were comments of the research team?
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16th March 2020, 11:51 AM	#2394
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 23,338	Originally Posted by steenkh Well, before we know that there is an anomaly, we need to know what were the expected values? What factors would influence the meters? What is the resolution here? As Reality Check suggests, could temperature changes have this effect? Did it rain? Did a truck park nearby, etc. ? As I asked before, what were comments of the research team? And, really most important of all, whatever the results are, how do you argue that they support your theory? ... Because your earlier explanation about how Earth is suddenly accelerated "upwards" is nonsense. Hans
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16th March 2020, 12:54 PM	#2395
halleyscomet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 10,259	Originally Posted by Bjarne http://www.internationalskeptics.com...f05244f576.png http://www.internationalskeptics.com...f06219f814.jpg Thank you for coming back Bjarne. During these trying times of working from home when we'd rather not, bog paper shortages, and school closings, it's pleasant to have a bit of absurdist entertainment.
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16th March 2020, 01:46 PM	#2396
Reality Check Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 27,668	Originally Posted by Bjarne Absolute... A data list that ignores that Bjarne lied. Bjarne repeats his insane lie about the lunar eclipse on 7 August 18.20 UTC 2017 as pointed out back in June 2018 !
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