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14 January 2020 Bjarne: Usual ignorant delusions and lies about "TR" (theory of relativity)
The main delusion is that his RR, etc, delusions that comprehend nothing are supported by gaps in mainstream comprehension. Lot of lies about non-relativistic phenomena, e.g. the origins of oceans.
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Breaking the Fourth Wall for a Moment
I'd like to ask everyone to lay off Bjarne for a bit. He just gave us a good hunk of content with the whole "Dark Flow proven by eclipse" storyline, but now that the eclipse has passed and there are no readings to discuss, trying to drag out that arc will just result in increasingly sad "excuses for the plot holes" posts like the one below:
Let's all give Bjarne a rest so he can come up with some new content. I'm largely pleased with how the last arc played out, even though it ended with more of a whimper than anything else. If we keep harping on the lackluster conclusion it will only draw out efforts to either continue the storyline or worse yet, encourage Bjarne to try and use it as the basis for the next arc. There isn't enough meat on those bones for another arc. Anything else derived from it will be a thin broth indeed. |
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Agreed.
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I'm happy for Bjarne to stay on as showrunner, but I reckon he needs to bring in a really top-notch script editor to keep things tight and avoid repetition, and also hire a good scientific advisor to make sure the pseudoscience at least sounds coherent and vaguely plausible.
Might also be worth planning a season of say 10 really chunky episodes rather than a full 23-episode run that risks getting flabby in the middle. |
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I disagree on the need for a science advisor. Bjarne’s complete disconnect from real science is the core of the humor. It would be like having Archie from “Duffy’s Tavern” consult a dictionary before speaking or having Cliff Calvin fact check. Having Bjarne work with someone who actually understands science at a layman’s level or better would ruin the joke. I agree with you on the need for tighter runs. This one, despite the flabby finish, was tight, fast, and stuck to the core until just before the end. We’ve had a LOT of flabby, haphazard episodes from Bjarne. I think the first 85% to 90% of this run should be Bjarne’s targeted quality level from here on out. |
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The next eclipse isn’t until June, so Bjarne should have plenty of time to get everything ready.
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As far as I know Bjarne is not doing this with any intention to troll.
The fact that he often makes insulting comments doesn't mean we have to be insulting in return. No virtue signalling here, I have been joining in on pile-ons quite a lot in the past, I have often been one of the worst offenders. |
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I am convinced he is trolling. I do not believe for one second that he is sincere. I am playing along with what I consider to be an obvious piece of extended performance art. I am not trying to be insulting or mean. I am trying to offer sincere and constructive feedback to someone who is putting a lot of effort into a comedy routine. |
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He mentions the DTU which first appeared in this thread over a year ago: 6 June 2018 Bjarne: A "DFA is soon a indisputable fact" lie by linking to one of his PDFs on the internet.
What he has is a November 10, 2017 "Extension to the Cause of the Allais Effect Solved" paper in the dubious 'Frontiers of Astronomy, Astrophysics and Cosmology' journal. No reputable journal would accept a paper that does not give proper credit to the people who collected the data or even give the data! The uncited "DTU (Denmark)" did some gravimeter readings near the Scoresbysund airport from 7 August 21.50 UTC to 8 August at 09.08. The lie is that he predicted "about 50 µGal" in his previous article when it was 35 μGal (±10 μGal). His prediction has a maximum force and so acceleration at the time of he eclipse. No measurements were done at the time of the eclipse! The measured peak is hours after the eclipse. Thus 7 June 2018 Bjarne: A "35 μGal (±10 μGal) significant anomaly at the time measurement was done" double lie. DTU = Technical University of Denmark. |
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While we’re waiting for Bjarne’s next installment, here’s an article about the aether, the inspiration and model for Bjarne’s mythical “Dark Flow.”
The Eternal Quest for Aether, the Cosmic Stuff That Never Was
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AH, Bjarne seems to have taken a holiday from this forum, as he usually does when the going gets rough.
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Do you think any of these physics crackpots ever read each other's theories and think "what a crackpot"?
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Bjarne,
Any fresh material? We're currently having a bit of a drought of good anti-science crack-pottery. I'm having to get my "point and laugh" fix from a guy claiming the Sun only emits gamma rays and that the void of space has no light. He doesn't put a FRACTION of the effort into his act that you do. I'll understand if you've decided to retire from your act. It must take a lot of time to put together the high quality BS levels you typically maintain. The current lackluster posers really highlight just how good your high points were. |
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Or, Bjarne could use his "holiday" to actually read up on some science (don't worry, Bjarne, we won't tell anybody). I suggest starting with the law of thermodynamics. Unlike e.g. the theory of relativity, it is pretty easy to understand, the mathematics is accessible without a college degree, and it has been verified daily for a couple of centuries.
In fact I recommend this for all who are trying to invent any kind of alternative cosmology: Learn thermodynamics and see if your thesis complies with it. If it doesn't, you have made some mistake. Hans |
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Well, it seems they do recognize BS, as long as it isn't their own.
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The lunar eclipse on 7 August 18.20 UTC 2017, - was predicted to be a possible event to test the consequences of the MTR
Several universities (on the northern hemisphere) was encouraged to measure Acceleration Due to Gravity on that day. Unfortunately, only DTU (Denmark) promised to see what they could do as they had a gravity measurement project going on in Greenland anyway (measuring how fast the inland ice is melting). At the time of contacting DTU, the measurement teams had already scheduled the 2017 summer measurement missions to Greenland as well as the time to arrive at and leave various measurement places. Early in the morning on 7 August (the day of the Lunar Eclipse), the team had scheduled to fly (by helicopter) from an inland measurement station and to Scorebysund airport and then to continue measuring ADG near that airport - 12 hours before and after the lunar eclipse - starting in the morning of 7 August and until morning on the following day, 8 August. However, bad weather delayed the flight to the airport, and the gravity measurement (the day of the eclipse) was not started until 21.50 UTC. This was 3.5 hours after the culmination of the lunar eclipse. The measurement was competed 9.00 UTC a clock in the morning. An CG5 relative and A10 gravimeter was used. The measurement result is shown by the 2 graphs below. ![]() Uncorrected ![]() Tidal and Earth Correction The relative instrument revealed a 30μGal anomaly (sinus curve). The absolute A10 gravimeter did not detect anything. The explanation of what really was going on very early that morning is: that all kind of gravimeters can only measure (more or less) a vertical (addition) force vector. The absolute A10 gravimeter do not allow much deviation from “absolute vertical”. However, the CG5 relative gravimeter, allows (relative to the A10) much larger deviation. From the CG5-data we can see that the anomaly lasted 4 hours. The rotation speed of earth, at the surface of the Earth is at that position of the earth (Scorebysund) about 600 km/h. Which mean that the CG5 could detect the anomaly from start to culmination, on a 1200 km path. (and after that also also fading out 2 hours / on a 1200 km path) At the anomaly culmination point the additional force vector is pointing (more or less) straight into the earth. The coordinates for Scorebysund are: Latitude: 70.483°N - Longitude: 21.95°W. The rotation of the Earth brought the gravimeter (placed on Latitude: 70.483°N) to an almost perfect measurement position, - where a significant part of the unknown force that day could be measured. (However the perfect latitude is still not known, - but we are very close) It will of course be time consuming to fintune / measure exactly which latitude is the perfect masureemnet position ( whether it is further north or south relative to Latitude: 70.483°N) So soon this exact position if found it is expected that all kind of gravimeters is able to measure that unknown force. The exact position cannot be many hundred kilometers away (north/south) from Scorebysund (Latitude: 70.483°N). To confirm the theory further (and as fast as possible) measurement close to latitude: 70.483°N must have highest priority. ![]() It is now easy to predict exactly what time this anomaly is possible to measure, hence also what time the anomaly will culminate (morning,evening, night etc.). See the image above for reference |
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Hi Bjarne, welcome back.
There is no source for your graphs, and the description of the axes are illegible. Surely, you must have got these graphs from the highly interesting research papers that the DTU team has published in the 2 1/2 years that passed since measurements. What does the DTU team suggest as an explanation for the supposed anomaly? |
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Bjarne repeats his insane lie about the lunar eclipse on 7 August 18.20 UTC 2017.
The DTU measured that there was a peak in their gravimeter measurements hours after the time of the eclipse which they did not manage to record. That is what would be expected for a delayed change in rock density caused by a change in temperature, for example a little thing called dawn! Bjarne predicted a peak in their gravimeter measurements at the time of the eclipse which is not even in the data and Bjarne knows that ![]() Bjarne's usual stupidity of unsourced graphs. A probable "30μGal anomaly" lie when in 2018 it was "35 μGal (±10 μGal)". Lots of ignorant gibberish. Bjarne probably has a deluded "Tidal and Earth Correction" lie. Many years of abysmal ignorance of physics suggests that Bjarne is incapable of applying real physical corrections to data. The "corrected" graph looks like he just moved a set of data up which would be stupid given that tidal correction change with time. 6 June 2018 Bjarne: A "DFA is soon a indisputable fact" lie by linking to one of his PDFs on the internet. 7 June 2018 Bjarne: A "35 μGal (±10 μGal) significant anomaly at the time measurement was done" double lie. |
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Well, before we know that there is an anomaly, we need to know what were the expected values?
What factors would influence the meters? What is the resolution here? As Reality Check suggests, could temperature changes have this effect? Did it rain? Did a truck park nearby, etc. ? As I asked before, what were comments of the research team? |
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A data list that ignores that Bjarne lied.
Bjarne repeats his insane lie about the lunar eclipse on 7 August 18.20 UTC 2017 as pointed out back in June 2018 ![]() |
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The images that show Bjarne lied.
Bjarne repeats his insane lie about the lunar eclipse on 7 August 18.20 UTC 2017 as pointed out back in June 2018 ![]() |
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The main problem with his "Earth is suddenly accelerated "upwards"" gibberish is that is how he predicts a peak at the time of the eclipse. The data not including the time of the eclipse is what makes his assertion of a match a lie. He knows that the peak is hours after the eclipse so that makes his lie insane.
Even the images are manipulated to support his lie. Where is his prediction plotted against the measurements as any high school science student knows is how science is done? By merely stating that he has a peak, he conceals that the data debunks his delusions. There is also a small lie by omission. Look at the list of data he gives. That is plotted in his first image. So where does the second "Tidal and Earth Correction" image come from? What corrections did he do? A quote from his "Erratum to “The Cause of the Allais Effect Solved" PDF: "The disagreement between the 2 different kinds of gravimeters is expected to be around maximum 40 μGal". His statement of 30 μGal in his post does not match his prediction. But that "30 μGal" is a lie! Eyeballing his images hives a difference at the peak of 25+/-3 μGal. |
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That day and time , expected is as the anomaly shows
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The temperature variation (during that day and night) was recorded to 8 °C. - 3 The night temperature variation therefore must have been much less than 8 °C. Such insignificant temperature variation is far from enough to explain the cause of such a significant anomaly that was measured that da
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