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Old 13th January 2020, 09:13 PM   #201
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Alas, Akhenaten

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo View Post
joobz! Next thing you know, pharaoh will return.
But Akhenaten can never return. Have you forgotten? Years ago, DOC announced, more sorrowfully than angrily, that he had "blocked" the pharaoh. Yes, blocked his majesty! Although it was immediately explained to him that he had only blocked himself, DOC disdained to understand the functioning of the iggy button, and loftily refused to acknowledge Akhenaten's existence.

And it worked! Have you seen the pharaoh lately, here or in any other thread? Oh, beware the blockage of DOC!
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Old 13th January 2020, 10:04 PM   #202
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I remember the blocking fondly. .
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Old 14th January 2020, 12:27 AM   #203
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Originally Posted by ynot View Post
The worst hell of heaven would be eternally knowing that many loved ones are suffering eternal torture in hell.
No worries for me - all my friends & family are headed down under, with me.

Imagine heaven, full of self-righteous fundies and bloody Catholics.
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I think a psychoanalyst is a follower of Sigmund Freud and his theories, whereas a therapist could be something else.

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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
No worries for me - all my friends & family are headed down under, with me.

Imagine heaven, full of self-righteous fundies and bloody Catholics.
Divided by an unscaleable, soundproof wall, 'cause both groups think they're the only ones there.
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Old 14th January 2020, 06:50 AM   #206
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DOC hath shewn the Way

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Divided by an unscaleable, soundproof wall, 'cause both groups think they're the only ones there.
Heck, they just block each other. Prob solved.
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Old 14th January 2020, 06:55 AM   #207
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Heck, they just block each other. Prob solved.
There is no DOC-blocking in heaven.

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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Does Turtullian represent the current state of morality in modern theology?
Certainly seems to be in line with some Christians I've read about.

Have to remember that there isn't an official body that tells all.chrisitans what they have to believe. It's quite a pick 'n' mix religion.
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Have to remember that there isn't an official body that tells all.chrisitans what they have to believe. It's quite a pick 'n' mix religion.
"That's the great thing about Catholicism. It's so vague and no one really knows what it's about."

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Old 14th January 2020, 07:23 AM   #210
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What?!?

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There is no DOC-blocking in heaven.

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If DOC and I can't cup our ears and go neener neener neener in heaven, then we're not going!

But that's okay, I take Metamucil every day, and you couldn't block me if you tried.
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Old 14th January 2020, 07:53 AM   #211
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Originally Posted by welshdean View Post
Hah, this one.
Thanks. I hadn't seen this one before. Can anyone tell me what the presumably jewish guy in the lower right has in his hand? And why he seems to be wearing a pith helmet? Or is this another horrible stereotype altogether?



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Old 14th January 2020, 07:53 AM   #212
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Originally Posted by RoboTimbo View Post
joobz! Next thing you know, pharaoh will return.
Hi!
FZ told me DOC was back, so I figured I'd reply for old times sake.

DOC's ministry helped me on my path to atheism. He helped demonstrate to me just how bad the evidence is for religion. For that, I'll always be grateful.
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Old 14th January 2020, 07:56 AM   #213
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I don't believe you unless you can cite the exact posts that DOC "brought in" that made you unbelieve.
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
Thanks. I hadn't seen this one before. Can anyone tell me what the presumably jewish guy in the lower right has in his hand? And why he seems to be wearing a pith helmet? Or is this another horrible stereotype altogether?

https://i.imgur.com/M5W41rv.jpg

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An evil 'evolutionist', holding a bone. Looking like a Jewish caricature is just a nice extra dogwhistle. Chick has a lot of big nosed beady eyed stooped over bad guys for some reason.
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
No worries for me - all my friends & family are headed down under, with me.

Some of the venomous critters found in Australia do make for a proper hell don't they?
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Know what I think? DOC has blocked us all. We're in limbo.

Or in hades, maybe. Like the mouthless shades, we loiter by the farther bank of Lethe, endeavoring forever to remember something we've forgotten.

DOC, if you can read this -- aw what's the use? He's left us here, and will never return. Probably. Most likely. Dare we hope?

I mean, hope that he'll come back. Sorry, Mods.
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Old 14th January 2020, 10:19 AM   #217
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No worries for me - all my friends & family are headed down under, with me.

Imagine heaven, full of self-righteous fundies and bloody Catholics.
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company. - Mark Twain
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Old 14th January 2020, 11:18 AM   #218
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Some of the venomous critters found in Australia do make for a proper hell don't they?
The critters are no sweat, but most of the non-desert part of Aussie's has had a very good glimpse of Dantean Infernal Hell lately.
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Old 14th January 2020, 11:44 AM   #219
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Hi!
FZ told me DOC was back, so I figured I'd reply for old times sake.

DOC's ministry helped me on my path to atheism. He helped demonstrate to me just how bad the evidence is for religion. For that, I'll always be grateful.
Sorry this wasn't enough for you:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...65#post9829265

Now back to the topic.

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LOL. I'd never seen this before:

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404: Planet X Not Found
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Sorry this wasn't enough for you:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...65#post9829265

Now back to the topic.
It was more than enough.
It's why I no longer believe.
You've been extremely effective at creating atheists.
Keep up the good work!

You can start by telling us more about how lying is good.
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Certainly seems to be in line with some Christians I've read about.
Those would be the extreme ones like Westboro, which in no way are a representative sample.

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Have to remember that there isn't an official body that tells all.chrisitans what they have to believe. It's quite a pick 'n' mix religion.
Except of course for Catholicism, which literally has exactly such a body. Unlike Westboro, Catholicism does comprise a majority of Christians, and I'm pretty sure they don't still teach what Tertullian wrote.
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Doc says, "Now back to the topic."

Still convinced that you get to call the shots, huh Doc?

The topic is -- what? The chrrrristian rightness of lying to children? The virtue of filling their heads with ugly Iron Age fairy tales? Come on now, doc. State your own views. Don't try to rely on vaguely topical (in your own view) authoritative voices. Be a man.* Talk in your own voice.

*Okay, be a woman then. But knock off this humming monotone.
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You can start by telling us more about how lying is good.
Well this one time my son asked, "Daddy, what's your favorite thing to do with Mommy". In that case lying was good for everyone.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Those would be the extreme ones like Westboro, which in no way are a representative sample.



Except of course for Catholicism, which literally has exactly such a body. Unlike Westboro, Catholicism does comprise a majority of Christians, and I'm pretty sure they don't still teach what Tertullian wrote.
It only takes a single example to answer your question.

And even if you want to ignore all non catholic churches there is still no body that sets out what theology they are all meant to follow
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It only takes a single example to answer your question.
Right, but a single example is not necessarily representative.

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And even if you want to ignore all non catholic churches there is still no body that sets out what theology they are all meant to follow
Isn't there a body called the Office of the Doctrine of the Faith or something which is supposed to do that? I thought there was. I could be mistaken.
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But Akhenaten can never return. Have you forgotten? Years ago, DOC announced, more sorrowfully than angrily, that he had "blocked" the pharaoh. Yes, blocked his majesty! Although it was immediately explained to him that he had only blocked himself, DOC disdained to understand the functioning of the iggy button, and loftily refused to acknowledge Akhenaten's existence.

Are you sure it wasn’t Aberhaten that he blocked? I’ve certainly not see that guy lately.
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Isn't there a body called the Office of the Doctrine of the Faith or something which is supposed to do that? I thought there was. I could be mistaken.
Still exists in the Holy Roman church, but has no effect on other christian sects.
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Right, but a single example is not necessarily representative.



Isn't there a body called the Office of the Doctrine of the Faith or something which is supposed to do that? I thought there was. I could be mistaken.
That's just for the RCC.
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That's just for the RCC.

And often unexpected, especially in Spain.
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I didn't lie to my son when he asked about me not going to church or believing. He has to go because mom makes him but isn't a believer even at 9 years old.
It is just more stuff to do, illogical stuff.

I told him the classes end in june and he was thrilled. He has no concept of faith as a guiding force in life.
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Well this one time my son asked, "Daddy, what's your favorite thing to do with Mommy". In that case lying was good for everyone.
No need to lie, just honestly relate alternate facts.
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Well this one time my son asked, "Daddy, what's your favorite thing to do with Mommy". In that case lying was good for everyone.
With a young kid in the house, surely the honest answer would be "sleep"
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Except of course for Catholicism, which literally has exactly such a body. Unlike Westboro, Catholicism does comprise a majority of Christians, and I'm pretty sure they don't still teach what Tertullian wrote.

I don't know how you can be "pretty sure".

Tertullian is a respected father of the church although there is a cloud over him because of some heresy he may have been guilty of. He never got to be a saint as a result, but still may have made the grade and entered Heaven, after a stint in Purgatory I suppose. Probably getting his rocks off gazing down at the poor bastards writhing in agony in Hell now.

Saint Augustine did get the nod for sainthood, so I would suspect his views would be regarded as being without blemish. He had a similar optimistic view about the pleasures on offer in Heaven to Tertullian.
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I realize that the Greek and subsequent Roman gods of antiquity could be interesting to read about but the growth of Christianity pretty much put them on the ash heap of history.

One of the reasons why that happened can maybe be explained by what Thomas Jefferson said about this person (Christ) that Christians believe is God in the flesh.

Jefferson said this about the teachings of Christ:

"{they're} the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man."

So maybe it might be better to tell your kids about a possible God who offered humanity what Jefferson said were the most sublime and benevolent code of morals ever offered.

And yes I know Jefferson had the opinion that the miracles of Christ could not be supported by reason but then again I have a feeling Jefferson (who could read Greek French and Latin), didn't believe in the existence of the Greek gods either. So given the choice, why not go with a god that some say offered the most sublime and benevolent code of morals ever given humanity and also go with a god that is still relevant in our society today unlike the Greek gods.
This is amusing. I intentionally refused to pass on my atheism to my kids. Who am I to impose my position on them.

I was rather proud when they came to me with atheism. They reached that all of their lonesome. I can still recall their uncertaintity when they saw fit to reveal their lack of belief, and their relief when they found that we shared that position.

Weirdly enough, we now read the bible together. And laugh at it.
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Still exists in the Holy Roman church, but has no effect on other christian sects.
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That's just for the RCC.
Yes, I was indeed referring specifically to the Roman Catholic Church:

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Except of course for Catholicism, which literally has exactly such a body. Unlike Westboro, Catholicism does comprise a majority of Christians, and I'm pretty sure they don't still teach what Tertullian wrote.
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I don't know how you can be "pretty sure".

Tertullian is a respected father of the church although there is a cloud over him because of some heresy he may have been guilty of. He never got to be a saint as a result, but still may have made the grade and entered Heaven, after a stint in Purgatory I suppose. Probably getting his rocks off gazing down at the poor bastards writhing in agony in Hell now.

Saint Augustine did get the nod for sainthood, so I would suspect his views would be regarded as being without blemish. He had a similar optimistic view about the pleasures on offer in Heaven to Tertullian.
I didn't ask whether he was respected. I asked whether his writings were considered representative of the current doctrine of morality in the church.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Yes, I was indeed referring specifically to the Roman Catholic Church:
Which catholicism?
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
I didn't ask whether he was respected. I asked whether his writings were considered representative of the current doctrine of morality in the church.
And as was mentioned there are definitely still chrisitan denominations that share his theology, you even mentioned one yourself.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
I didn't ask whether he was respected. I asked whether his writings were considered representative of the current doctrine of morality in the church.

Yes it would be nice to have that "current doctrine of morality" clearly defined and nailed down. Perhaps you could have a go at it by drawing on your "pretty sure" instinct.
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