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Old 19th January 2020, 10:57 AM   #1281
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Either this journal does not publish novel theories or they will understand it very quickly.
I like how this precludes the option that you are just plain wrong.
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Old 19th January 2020, 11:00 AM   #1282
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I predict they will understand very quickly that it's worthless rubbish.
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Old 19th January 2020, 11:21 AM   #1283
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Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser View Post
I like how this precludes the option that you are just plain wrong.


See by yourself if you can...
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Old 19th January 2020, 12:46 PM   #1284
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Originally Posted by philippeb8 View Post
Either this journal does not publish novel theories or they will understand it very quickly.
Making up some stuff, misapplying other stuff and just packing it all with fudge, ain't a novel theory. Often about 2 or 3 active threads here, where someone is doing exactly that, at any given time.
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Old 19th January 2020, 01:41 PM   #1285
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Making up some stuff, misapplying other stuff and just packing it all with fudge, ain't a novel theory. Often about 2 or 3 active threads here, where someone is doing exactly that, at any given time.


Those who rather go back to General Relativity and spend the rest of their lives wondering about wormholes are welcome to. The Earth won’t stop rotating!
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Old 19th January 2020, 03:53 PM   #1286
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Those who rather go back to General Relativity and spend the rest of their lives wondering about wormholes are welcome to. The Earth won’t stop rotating!
No one need "go back" to something still in use. While you are free to fudge up anything you want you shouldn't welcome it. The issue's not wormholes, the Earth stopping rotation, general relativity or people spending "the rest of their lives wondering". It is your apparent inability to just think critically about your own notions as well your own perceptions of other notions. It is incumbent on you primarily to be the most critical and thus least welcoming of your own notions and perceptions.
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Old 19th January 2020, 04:28 PM   #1287
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No one need "go back" to something still in use. While you are free to fudge up anything you want you shouldn't welcome it. The issue's not wormholes, the Earth stopping rotation, general relativity or people spending "the rest of their lives wondering". It is your apparent inability to just think critically about your own notions as well your own perceptions of other notions. It is incumbent on you primarily to be the most critical and thus least welcoming of your own notions and perceptions.


I hear a lot about how things should be done. In computer science it’s not about how you do things it’s about getting something that works, period.

I’ve done all the hard work which appears to be easy but nobody else has done it yet nonetheless. If you cannot digest the fudge factor and admit GR is the biggest hoax humankind ever experienced then my advice is to change your mind and fast if you want to survive in this jungle.
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Originally Posted by philippeb8 View Post
I hear a lot about how things should be done. In computer science it’s not about how you do things it’s about getting something that works, period.

I’ve done all the hard work which appears to be easy but nobody else has done it yet nonetheless. If you cannot digest the fudge factor and admit GR is the biggest hoax humankind ever experienced then my advice is to change your mind and fast if you want to survive in this jungle.
There is a very mundane reason why nobody has done the “work” that you have done. It has been explained to you numerous times.
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Originally Posted by philippeb8 View Post
I hear a lot about how things should be done. In computer science it’s not about how you do things it’s about getting something that works, period.
Then actually "getting something that works" is "how you do things". The latter only reinforces the need to "hear a lot about how things should be done" ("getting something that works") in that context. How do you know it's "something that works" unless you test it and try diligently to find its flaws?

Originally Posted by philippeb8 View Post
I’ve done all the hard work which appears to be easy but nobody else has done it yet nonetheless. If you cannot digest the fudge factor and admit GR is the biggest hoax humankind ever experienced then my advice is to change your mind and fast if you want to survive in this jungle.
Again that's the wrong "hard work", you need to be the stanchest opponent of your own notions first. Otherwise you're just going easy on yourself. You need to do the due diligence. It is incumbent on no one to digest your fudge for you.
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Old 19th January 2020, 05:07 PM   #1290
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There is a very mundane reason why nobody has done the “work” that you have done. It has been explained to you numerous times.


Deadlocked conversation here.
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Old 19th January 2020, 05:19 PM   #1291
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Then actually "getting something that works" is "how you do things". The latter only reinforces the need to "hear a lot about how things should be done" ("getting something that works") in that context. How do you know it's "something that works" unless you test it and try diligently to find its flaws?
I did find a flaw in the gravitational redshift and I corrected everything else, remember?

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Again that's the wrong "hard work", you need to be the stanchest opponent of your own notions first. Otherwise you're just going easy on yourself. You need to do the due diligence. It is incumbent on no one to digest your fudge for you.

There are things that remain unsolved like the quantification of the lateral acceleration but we’re entering quantum physics. And a 21 pages manuscript is good enough for a start.
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I did find a flaw in the gravitational redshift and I corrected everything else, remember?
You used a relation for gravitational potential outside of a body or collection of bodies for what you call a 'gravitational potential' inside the universe (your fudged factor), "remember". You can't even agree with your own assertions and applications, in just fudging.



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There are things that remain unsolved like the quantification of the lateral acceleration but we’re entering quantum physics. And a 21 pages manuscript is good enough for a start.
The balderdash of your fudge factor has already been resolved, as a result you've simply entered the realm of quantified bull crap.
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Old 19th January 2020, 06:30 PM   #1293
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You used a relation for gravitational potential outside of a body or collection of bodies for what you call a 'gravitational potential' inside the universe (your fudged factor), "remember". You can't even agree with your own assertions and applications, in just fudging.











The balderdash of your fudge factor has already been resolved, as a result you've simply entered the realm of quantified bull crap.


Deadlocked conversation again...

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Old 20th January 2020, 10:05 AM   #1294
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I'd like to give some kudos to phillippeb8 for actually writing and submitting the paper. That's a step beyond what most proponents of alternative theories do. I rather doubt the paper will make much of an impact on physics overall, but it's exactly one more paper than I've ever submitted to a journal.
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Old 20th January 2020, 11:46 AM   #1295
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... it would be interesting to read the reviewers full comments (perhaps you could post them here, philippeb8?).
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You used a relation for gravitational potential outside of a body or collection of bodies for what you call a 'gravitational potential' inside the universe (your fudged factor), "remember". You can't even agree with your own assertions and applications, in just fudging.



The balderdash of your fudge factor has already been resolved, as a result you've simply entered the realm of quantified bull crap.


Deadlocked conversation again...
Wait, so when advised of a fault with your 'fudge factor' and related claims, you simply assert "Deadlocked conversation again...?"

Is that how you went about "getting something that works, period" "In computer science"? If not then "how you do things for your" FT ain't how your were doing things "In computer science" ("getting something that works, period").
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...Enjoy this historical milestone!
21 January 2020 philippeb8: A "historical milestone" with repeated ignorant garbage and maybe additions.
You use classical kinetic energy which is experimentally wrong. !
The idiocy that replacing constants in GR's gravitational redshift with a h fudge factor = a new theory.
"Kinematical time dilation" insanity when you know the measurements of time dilation matching SR (that includes the experiments showing kinetic energy is not classical!) not your equation.
A "Explanation of the perihelion shift" from FT lie. Newtonian gravity is not FT. General relativity is not FT. The idiocy of replacing constants in GR's explanation for the perihelion shift with a h fudge factor !

Additions?
Some "gravitons pulling the body in the opposite direction of their velocity" gibberish.
"1.3.1 Inverse square law" gibberish.
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21 January 2020 philippeb8: A "historical milestone" with repeated ignorant garbage and maybe additions.
You use classical kinetic energy which is experimentally wrong. !
The idiocy that replacing constants in GR's gravitational redshift with a h fudge factor = a new theory.
"Kinematical time dilation" insanity when you know the measurements of time dilation matching SR (that includes the experiments showing kinetic energy is not classical!) not your equation.
A "Explanation of the perihelion shift" from FT lie. Newtonian gravity is not FT. General relativity is not FT. The idiocy of replacing constants in GR's explanation for the perihelion shift with a h fudge factor !

Additions?
Some "gravitons pulling the body in the opposite direction of their velocity" gibberish.
"1.3.1 Inverse square law" gibberish.
So he will not be published then?
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Conventional fudge: rots your teeth, expands your waistline, contains calories.

FT fudge: rots your brain, expands your ego, contains no calories.
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21 January 2020 philippeb8: A "historical milestone" with repeated ignorant garbage and maybe additions.
You use classical kinetic energy which is experimentally wrong. !
The idiocy that replacing constants in GR's gravitational redshift with a h fudge factor = a new theory.
"Kinematical time dilation" insanity when you know the measurements of time dilation matching SR (that includes the experiments showing kinetic energy is not classical!) not your equation.
A "Explanation of the perihelion shift" from FT lie. Newtonian gravity is not FT. General relativity is not FT. The idiocy of replacing constants in GR's explanation for the perihelion shift with a h fudge factor !

Additions?
Some "gravitons pulling the body in the opposite direction of their velocity" gibberish.
"1.3.1 Inverse square law" gibberish.
Because Reality Check doesn't like fudge factors is enough to disprove FT. Case closed after 10 years, I give up! (sarcasm)
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Because Reality Check doesn't like fudge factors is enough to disprove FT. Case closed after 10 years, I give up! (sarcasm)
That your "fudge factor" doesn't represent anything and specifically not what you have claimed it to represent, is enough to disprove FT. Again, no sarcasm.
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Old 20th January 2020, 04:33 PM   #1302
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Because Reality Check doesn't like fudge factors is enough to disprove FT.
21 January 2020 philippeb8: A lie about my post where what disproves FT is empirical evidence with the idiocy of a fudge factor just emphasizing how bad it is.

21 January 2020 philippeb8: A "historical milestone" with repeated ignorant garbage and maybe additions.
  • Classical kinetic energy at relativistic speeds has been shown to be wrong by empirical evidence.
  • The empirical evidence is that time dilation matches SR.
Thus FT's including classical kinetic energy and invalid time dilation equation makes it ignorant garbage because it does not match empirical evidence.

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So he will not be published then?
It is highly unlikely. The match of relativistic kinetic energy and time dilation with empirical data is undergraduate physics. A peer reviewer would know that and should reject the paper because the theory is obviously invalid.

But it may not even be in peer review! Astrophysics and Space Science surprisingly publishes papers on astrophysics and space science.
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Papers in mathematical physics or in general relativity which do not establish clear astrophysical applications will no longer be considered
Ignore the clear errors and he has a paper mostly on mathematical physics/general relativity with no astrophysical applications. On the other hand the current issue has a general relativity paper with no apparent astrophysical application and a cosmology review.

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According to philippeb8, the "h" fudge factor is suppose to be proportional to some gravitational potential. It's only "proportional", a asserted, because the G is left out of the equation GM/r for a gravitational potential outside of mass M at distance r from the center of M. Leaving out that this is an outside of mass M relation, as noted before, used for, well, inside the universe. Let's just see what it would be. The 'emulated' "h" is given as c2/2G. Which works out to 6.73 x 1026 kg/Meter. If we then put the G back into the gravitational potential equation we get 4.49 x 1016 Joule/Meter as the purported gravitational potential "h" is 'proportional' to. The Earth with a radius of 6.38 x 106 Meters at the equator and a mass of 5.97 x 1024 kg. Gives the gravitational potential at the surface of the Earth (ETA) as 9.80 Joule/Meter. So philippeb8's "h" 'gravitational potential' (supposedly at the 'solar system scale') is 4.59 x 1015, or 4.59 quadrillion, times greater than the gravitational potential at the surface of the Earth. That's a heck of a lot of fudge. So much so that not only would we be ripped off the surface of the Earth, the whole solar system would be ripped apart.
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Deadlocked conversation again...
Nope. That is merely your excuse for having no meaningful reply. Why you think nobody sees that crapfest is anyone's guess.
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According to philippeb8, the "h" fudge factor is suppose to be proportional to some gravitational potential. It's only "proportional", a asserted, because the G is left out of the equation GM/r for a gravitational potential outside of mass M at distance r from the center of M. Leaving out that this is an outside of mass M relation, as noted before, used for, well, inside the universe. Let's just see what it would be. The 'emulated' "h" is given as c2/2G.


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Which works out to 6.73 x 1026 kg/Meter. If we then put the G back into the gravitational potential equation we get 4.49 x 1016 Joule/Meter as the purported gravitational potential "h" is 'proportional' to. The Earth with a radius of 6.38 x 106 Meters at the equator and a mass of 5.97 x 1024 kg. Gives the gravitational potential at the surface of the Earth as 6.25 x 107 Joule/Meter. So philippeb8's "h" 'gravitational potential' (supposedly at the 'solar system scale') is 7.19 x 108, or over half a billion, times greater than the gravitational potential at the surface of the Earth. That's a heck of a lot of fudge. So much so that not only would we be ripped off the surface of the Earth, the whole solar system would be ripped apart.

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OK, so that just makes it twice as bad or over 9 quadrillion times the gravitational potential at the surface of the Earth. Any other parts of your claims you would like to make twice as bad?

Also I misidentified the units of gravitational potential, it should be Joule/kg not Joule/Meter. None of the numerical values change as this was simply a misidentification of the units for those values.

ETA: As I noted some pages ago philippeb8's "h" gravitational potential is just the Planck energy over the Planck mass which reduces to simply the speed of light squared.
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OK, so that just makes it twice as bad or over 9 quadrillion times the gravitational potential at the surface of the Earth. Any other parts of your claims you would like to make twice as bad?

Also I misidentified the units of gravitational potential, it should be Joule/kg not Joule/Meter. None of the numerical values change as this was simply a misidentification of the units for those values.

ETA: As I noted some pages ago philippeb8's "h" gravitational potential is just the Planck energy over the Planck mass which reduces to simply the speed of light squared.
Didn't some other guy already use that in a formula? I don't think he called it "h".
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Enjoy this historical milestone!
Please do get over yourself.
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Why?

If it's just c (squared) over G, why should it vary, anywhere in the universe?

What, for example, is hRefsdal?

Where "Refsdal" refers to the planetary system that existed around SN Refsdal (WP) before it went supernova. The galaxy in which this star existed has a redshift of 1.49.

So perhaps "h" is universal fudge?
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Why?



If it's just c (squared) over G, why should it vary, anywhere in the universe?



What, for example, is hRefsdal?



Where "Refsdal" refers to the planetary system that existed around SN Refsdal (WP) before it went supernova. The galaxy in which this star existed has a redshift of 1.49.



So perhaps "h" is universal fudge?


Please read the “mass of the invisible universe” in the manuscript and you will see how useful this notion is...!
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Please read the “mass of the invisible universe” in the manuscript and you will see how useful this notion is...!
You seem to have a lot of difficulty explaining your "theory" in simple and clear terms here, even after multiple weeks of probings by many posters, so I doubt your actual theory is any better.
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You seem to have a lot of difficulty explaining your "theory" in simple and clear terms here, even after multiple weeks of probings by many posters, so I doubt your actual theory is any better.


We’re talking simple algebra and undergraduate calculus here so it is extremely simple to understand.
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Old 21st January 2020, 12:11 PM   #1315
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Originally Posted by philippeb8 View Post
We’re talking simple algebra and undergraduate calculus here so it is extremely simple to understand.
Marvelous. Then I'm sure you can explain it here.
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Please read the “mass of the invisible universe” in the manuscript and you will see how useful this notion is...!
Emphasizes: 21 January 2020 philippeb8: A "historical milestone" with repeated ignorant garbage and maybe additions.
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Originally Posted by philippeb8 View Post
We’re talking simple algebra and undergraduate calculus here so it is extremely simple to understand.
Emphasizes: 21 January 2020 philippeb8: A "historical milestone" with repeated ignorant garbage and maybe additions.

The idiocy that "algebra and undergraduate calculus" is a scientific theory which Belz... was writing about. His crack paper starts with deep ignorance about reference frames being defined by gravitation and gets worse from there.
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Old 21st January 2020, 05:11 PM   #1318
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Originally Posted by philippeb8 View Post
Please read the “mass of the invisible universe” in the manuscript and you will see how useful this notion is...!

Everyone here already knows how useful you think just making up crap is, anyone can do it. As I noted before we generally have about three or four active threads here of people doing exactly that at any given time.
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Everyone here already knows how useful you think just making up crap is, anyone can do it. As I noted before we generally have about three or four active threads here of people doing exactly that at any given time.
Then why don't they try to publish their manuscript?
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Marvelous. Then I'm sure you can explain it here.
That's what I've been doing for the last 40 days here on IS + former 90 days of CQ...
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