New Ad Upsets Nazis - Page 4

Arcade22 · 13th February 2020, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

That's not what it said. It said that things like Rye Bread and Meatballs were created elsewhere and then came to Scandinavia where they were adopted and modified into a Scandinavia version that then became uniquely Scandinavian.

It was pointing out that Scandinavians have always been travelers who have gone out into the world and brought back ideas and then made those ideas Scandinavian.

Rolling ground beef into a ball doesn't sound like a very exceptional and noteworthy "invention" anyways. It's like proclaiming that you are the inventor of bread or something.

Vixen · 13th February 2020, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

Mission accomplished I guess.

They got people to share the ad and discuss it on social media.

Also, a textbook example of poisoning the well. Preemptively accuse anyone who might not like the ad of being a Nazi. Can't possibly be any legitimate basis for criticism, right? Like maybe the fact that it's an airline and airplanes contribute to global warming. Let's change the topic to something else, right? So we don't have to confront what we're doing to the planet.

^ This. Good adverts that stick in the mind are those that are provocative: they have an irritating jingle, noise or are amusing (like the giant poodle in the Flash advert backing to the Queen tune of the same name). The fact SAS marketing got an African-looking guy (who might well be Scandinavian) to say he had Viking ancestors.

So it worked, as everyone is talking about it Reminds me of the Benetton adverts or Dove.

applecorped · 13th February 2020, 09:50 AM

Whoever started this thread must have been pretty upset by this ad

Vixen · 13th February 2020, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Nothing is Skandanavian?

Okay, what about:

1. Lego?
2. dynamite?
3. Jean Sibelius?
4. Knut Hamsun?

Sibelius is Finnish.

Vixen · 13th February 2020, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Arcade22

One thing about the ad that's inaccurate is that the democracy found in ancient Greece has little to do with the development of democracy in the Scandinavian countries.

If anything the closest ancient parallel would be that found in Rome.

I always thought the word 'land' came from the Swedish and also trial by your fellow citizens (twelve is usually the number). People in a community would meet in a clearing and decide matters between them this way. When Danelaw came to the UK it was adopted there. So I'd dispute the Swedes 'copied the Greeks'.

ponderingturtle · 13th February 2020, 10:25 AM

Ah another thread that boils down to "how dare you call all white supremacists Nazis! You must recognize the diversity of hate with in these communities".

StillSleepy · 13th February 2020, 11:02 AM

Scandinavia gave us enormous Scandinavian women.

Baylor · 13th February 2020, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by dann

In your dreams, Baylor!

I never heard about the series Bella and the Bulldogs till now, but then I never watch Nickelodeon. Is it good, Baylor?!

It's very clear that went over your head.

Baylor · 13th February 2020, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by dann

It is an ad to make people choose to fly with the SAS.

When you're "anti-capitalist" but have the exact same politics as every multinational conglomerates.

Baylor · 13th February 2020, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Nothing is Skandanavian?

Okay, what about:

1. Lego?
2. dynamite?
3. Jean Sibelius?
4. Knut Hamsun?

Avicii. Though he was burdened with guilt from breathing oxygen that could've been breathed by a Somali so he topped himself.

He was a typical Scandinavian.

carlitos · 13th February 2020, 11:43 AM

Super edgy.

Baylor · 13th February 2020, 11:48 AM

I'm heartbroken

smartcooky · 13th February 2020, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

You forgot the Swedish Chef.

Well, the Swedish Chef sounds Norwegian to the Swedish, and he may have been based on an American chef....

https://slate.com/culture/2012/08/sw...norwegian.html

Furthermore, in the German dubbed version of The Muppets, he's a Dane!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedis...#International

PhantomWolf · 13th February 2020, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Vixen

Sibelius is Finnish.

Isn't Finland part of Scandinavia?

Trebuchet · 13th February 2020, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

Isn't Finland part of Scandinavia?

No, it's rightfully part of Russia, comradde!

Ya know what's as revealing as the reaction by certain people to the ad? The reaction of certain forum members to this thread!

Stout · 13th February 2020, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Ya know what's as revealing as the reaction by certain people to the ad? The reaction of certain forum members to this thread!

Do tell

dudalb · 13th February 2020, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Nothing is Skandanavian?

Okay, what about:

1. Lego?
2. dynamite?
3. Jean Sibelius?
4. Knut Hamsun?

5. Most of Minnesota?

dudalb · 13th February 2020, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

Isn't Finland part of Scandinavia?

It gets complicated.
Finland is geographically part of Scandanavia, but the Finns, ethnically, are totally different from the other Scandinavian nations. Language..except for a few borrowed words,is totally different from Norweigian, Swedish, Danish, etc.
And they have the world's prettiest Prime Minister.....

dudalb · 13th February 2020, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

You really have ZERO understanding of what Nazis are don't you.

The extermination of Jews is only a small part of Nazi ideology; it was a means to an end, not an end in itself. Nazism was based on Völkisch Nationalism. If you want to learn about it, you can read about it here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkisch_movement

I suggest you take the opportunity read it and learn something so that you stop embarrassing yourself and tarring the rest of us kiwis with your brush.

I think you are like me in that we both get frustrated at the level of ignorance of History we see nowdays.

dudalb · 13th February 2020, 06:37 PM

The ad is clever but from a advertising point of view it might be too clever; it does not connect all that well with the product it's supposed to be selling.

Hercules Rockefeller · 13th February 2020, 07:14 PM

The company that made the ad recieved a bomb thread earlier today.

angrysoba · 13th February 2020, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by dann

Couldn't you think of a Scandinavian writer who was not a Nazi?

That was deliberate. I was also going to choose the Finnish swastika as well, but thought it would be too obvious.

Trebuchet · 13th February 2020, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

The company that made the ad recieved a bomb thread earlier today.

A bomb thread? Was it this one?

Ok, sorry.

Arcade22 · 13th February 2020, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

Isn't Finland part of Scandinavia?

No, Finland is not a part of Scandinavia. Finland is a Nordic country, which is a broader notion.

Scandinavia is limited to Denmark, Sweden and Norway. The Nordic countries are those, plus the countries that have been heavily influenced and controlled by the Scandinavian ones. Finland was an integral part of Sweden for centuries, so it qualifies as a Nordic country.

angrysoba · 13th February 2020, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Arcade22

No, Finland is not a part of Scandinavia. Finland is a Nordic country, which is a broader notion.

Scandinavia is limited to Denmark, Sweden and Norway. The Nordic countries are those, plus the countries that have been heavily influenced and controlled by the Scandinavian ones. Finland was an integral part of Sweden for centuries, so it qualifies as a Nordic country.

Nah! It has one of those crosses on its flag so Finland and Iceland are Skandanavian.

arthwollipot · 13th February 2020, 09:56 PM

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smartcooky · 13th February 2020, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think you are like me in that we both get frustrated at the level of ignorance of History we see nowdays.

Yes, the ignorance of history sometimes displayed on this forum does frustrate me, but even worse, when those who are ignorant of history come on here and pontificate on it, and then have the cheek to argue against established historical fact when it is clear that they have no clue whatsoever, well that really pisses me off!

smartcooky · 13th February 2020, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

It gets complicated.
Finland is geographically part of Scandanavia, but the Finns, ethnically, are totally different from the other Scandinavian nations. Language..except for a few borrowed words,is totally different from Norweigian, Swedish, Danish, etc.
And they have the world's prettiest Prime Minister.....

Finns are ethnically more closely related to Estonians than they are to the Swedish.

Hercules Rockefeller · 14th February 2020, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

A bomb thread? Was it this one?

Ok, sorry.

dann · 14th February 2020, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by Arcade22

No, Finland is not a part of Scandinavia. Finland is a Nordic country, which is a broader notion.

Scandinavia is limited to Denmark, Sweden and Norway. The Nordic countries are those, plus the countries that have been heavily influenced and controlled by the Scandinavian ones. Finland was an integral part of Sweden for centuries, so it qualifies as a Nordic country.

Geographically, the Scandinavian peninsula consists of Norway, Sweden and a small part of Finland. Denmark is not a geographical part of Scandinavia.
Culturally, you could say that the Nordic Baltic Eight (Wikipedia) are a kind of sister nations. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were Danish for a couple of centuries in the Middle Ages, before they became Swedish and then Russian.
Iceland (Wikipedia) was liberated from the Danish hegemony in WW2.

dudalb · 14th February 2020, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Finns are ethnically more closely related to Estonians than they are to the Swedish.

And both Finns and Estonians seem to have split off from the Magyars (who became the Hungarians) at some point from simarliteis in the languages.

theprestige · 14th February 2020, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Giordano

Seems to me to me that the same group of posters who deny the existence of racism, no matter the evidence, in the "...while Black" threads have arrived here to deny any Nazis/Right Wingers were upset by the ad.

Apparently they are so convinced that such people and motivations do not exist that they apply levels of "skepticism" that would similarly deny that there is evidence of gravity. How could such folks exist? Inconceivable! to quote "The Princess Bride.

Mostly I just think dann's idea that only Nazis could not like this ad is full of crap.

That, and the usual "nazis" equivocation.

dann · 14th February 2020, 04:45 PM

Why Don’t Racists Want You to See This Airline’s Ad? (Fodor’s, Feb. 12, 2020)
Bomb Alert in Copenhagen over Controversial SAS Ad Campaign (Bloomberg, Feb.13, 2020)
’What is truly Scandinavia? Nothing’ – Airline clarifies ad after far-right criticism (The Guardian, Feb. 13, 2020)

dann · 14th February 2020, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Mostly I just think [hilitie]dann's idea that only Nazis could not like this ad is full of crap[/hilite].

That, and the usual "nazis" equivocation.

Welcome back to theprestige and his usual equivocation.
Now that it's become obvious to everybody that Nazis were behind the campaign against the SAS ad, he feels the need to come up with a new strawman in defense of his initial denial. I wish he would tell us where I claimed that only Nazis didn't like the ad unlike other racists and anti-immigration idiots who were fine with it.
At least he makes it pretty obvious whose ideas are full of it.

angrysoba · 14th February 2020, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

And both Finns and Estonians seem to have split off from the Magyars (who became the Hungarians) at some point from simarliteis in the languages.

No, the Magyars are the Hungarians. It’s the Hungarian word for the Hungarians.

The language family that includes Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian is the Uralic language family.

theprestige · 14th February 2020, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

The company that made the ad recieved a bomb thread earlier today.

Maybe they should stop advertising their commitment to change the global climate for the worse.

Arcade22 · 14th February 2020, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by dann

Geographically, the Scandinavian peninsula consists of Norway, Sweden and a small part of Finland. Denmark is not a geographical part of Scandinavia.

Lets see what wikipedia says:

Quote:

Scandinavia (/ˌskændɪˈneɪviə/ SKAN-dih-NAY-vee-ə) is a region in Northern Europe, with strong historical, cultural, and linguistic ties. The term Scandinavia in local usage covers the three kingdoms of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden. The majority national languages of these three belong to the Scandinavian dialect continuum, and are mutually intelligible North Germanic languages. In English usage, Scandinavia also sometimes refers more narrowly to the Scandinavian Peninsula, or more broadly so as to include Finland, the Faroe Islands, and Iceland.

The broader definition is similar to what are locally called the Nordic countries, which also include the remote Norwegian islands of Svalbard and Jan Mayen and Greenland, a constituent country within the Kingdom of Denmark.

I have never heard anyone exclude Denmark from Scandinavia in its common sense. Geographically speaking "The Scandinavian Peninsula" is a separate notion from Scandinavia, because it is geologically distinct from Denmark as well as physically separated from Sweden by Öresund.

StillSleepy · 14th February 2020, 05:24 PM

Meanwhile, in ~~the greatest Scandinavian advertising campaign of all time~~ Greenland...

bruto · 14th February 2020, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

I know these people - they march in the streets carrying cheap wicker tiki torches they bought at Walmart for $3.99, and chant things like "The Jews will not replace us."

But we dasn't call them Nazis! They're not actually signed up with the party after all.

dann · Yesterday, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Maybe they should stop advertising their commitment to change the global climate for the worse.

I guess it's logical to become concerned with global warming when an airline runs an ad that upsets the Nazis.
I guess that's why Nazis didn't like the ad in the first place: They worry so much about global warming that they'll be attacking all airline ads from now on.

13th February 2020, 09:40 AM	#121
Arcade22 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 5,982	Originally Posted by PhantomWolf That's not what it said. It said that things like Rye Bread and Meatballs were created elsewhere and then came to Scandinavia where they were adopted and modified into a Scandinavia version that then became uniquely Scandinavian. It was pointing out that Scandinavians have always been travelers who have gone out into the world and brought back ideas and then made those ideas Scandinavian. Rolling ground beef into a ball doesn't sound like a very exceptional and noteworthy "invention" anyways. It's like proclaiming that you are the inventor of bread or something.
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13th February 2020, 09:50 AM	#123
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13th February 2020, 10:25 AM	#126
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13th February 2020, 11:02 AM	#127
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13th February 2020, 11:17 AM	#128
Baylor Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,174	Originally Posted by dann In your dreams, Baylor! I never heard about the series Bella and the Bulldogs till now, but then I never watch Nickelodeon. Is it good, Baylor?! It's very clear that went over your head.
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13th February 2020, 09:44 AM	#122
Vixen Suspended Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Suomi Posts: 18,321	Originally Posted by Puppycow Mission accomplished I guess. They got people to share the ad and discuss it on social media. Also, a textbook example of poisoning the well. Preemptively accuse anyone who might not like the ad of being a Nazi. Can't possibly be any legitimate basis for criticism, right? Like maybe the fact that it's an airline and airplanes contribute to global warming. Let's change the topic to something else, right? So we don't have to confront what we're doing to the planet. ^ This. Good adverts that stick in the mind are those that are provocative: they have an irritating jingle, noise or are amusing (like the giant poodle in the Flash advert backing to the Queen tune of the same name). The fact SAS marketing got an African-looking guy (who might well be Scandinavian) to say he had Viking ancestors. So it worked, as everyone is talking about it Reminds me of the Benetton adverts or Dove.

13th February 2020, 10:07 AM	#124
Vixen Suspended Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Suomi Posts: 18,321	Originally Posted by angrysoba Nothing is Skandanavian? Okay, what about: 1. Lego? 2. dynamite? 3. Jean Sibelius? 4. Knut Hamsun? Sibelius is Finnish.

13th February 2020, 10:15 AM	#125
Vixen Suspended Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Suomi Posts: 18,321	Originally Posted by Arcade22 One thing about the ad that's inaccurate is that the democracy found in ancient Greece has little to do with the development of democracy in the Scandinavian countries. If anything the closest ancient parallel would be that found in Rome. I always thought the word 'land' came from the Swedish and also trial by your fellow citizens (twelve is usually the number). People in a community would meet in a clearing and decide matters between them this way. When Danelaw came to the UK it was adopted there. So I'd dispute the Swedes 'copied the Greeks'.

13th February 2020, 11:22 AM	#129
Baylor Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,174	Originally Posted by dann It is an ad to make people choose to fly with the SAS. When you're "anti-capitalist" but have the exact same politics as every multinational conglomerates.
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13th February 2020, 11:36 AM	#130
Baylor Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,174	Originally Posted by angrysoba Nothing is Skandanavian? Okay, what about: 1. Lego? 2. dynamite? 3. Jean Sibelius? 4. Knut Hamsun? Avicii. Though he was burdened with guilt from breathing oxygen that could've been breathed by a Somali so he topped himself. He was a typical Scandinavian.
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13th February 2020, 11:43 AM	#131
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 21,213	Super edgy.

13th February 2020, 11:48 AM	#132
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13th February 2020, 11:59 AM	#133
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 13,425	Originally Posted by Ziggurat You forgot the Swedish Chef. Well, the Swedish Chef sounds Norwegian to the Swedish, and he may have been based on an American chef.... https://slate.com/culture/2012/08/sw...norwegian.html Furthermore, in the German dubbed version of The Muppets, he's a Dane! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedis...#International
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13th February 2020, 03:41 PM	#134
PhantomWolf Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,346	Originally Posted by Vixen Sibelius is Finnish. Isn't Finland part of Scandinavia?
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13th February 2020, 05:03 PM	#135
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwet Posts: 25,006	Originally Posted by PhantomWolf Isn't Finland part of Scandinavia? No, it's rightfully part of Russia, comradde! Ya know what's as revealing as the reaction by certain people to the ad? The reaction of certain forum members to this thread!
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13th February 2020, 05:14 PM	#136
Stout Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 4,051	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Ya know what's as revealing as the reaction by certain people to the ad? The reaction of certain forum members to this thread! Do tell

13th February 2020, 06:29 PM	#137
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 46,960	Originally Posted by angrysoba Nothing is Skandanavian? Okay, what about: 1. Lego? 2. dynamite? 3. Jean Sibelius? 4. Knut Hamsun? 5. Most of Minnesota?
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13th February 2020, 06:33 PM	#138
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 46,960	Originally Posted by PhantomWolf Isn't Finland part of Scandinavia? It gets complicated. Finland is geographically part of Scandanavia, but the Finns, ethnically, are totally different from the other Scandinavian nations. Language..except for a few borrowed words,is totally different from Norweigian, Swedish, Danish, etc. And they have the world's prettiest Prime Minister.....
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13th February 2020, 06:36 PM	#139
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 46,960	Originally Posted by smartcooky You really have ZERO understanding of what Nazis are don't you. The extermination of Jews is only a small part of Nazi ideology; it was a means to an end, not an end in itself. Nazism was based on Völkisch Nationalism. If you want to learn about it, you can read about it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkisch_movement I suggest you take the opportunity read it and learn something so that you stop embarrassing yourself and tarring the rest of us kiwis with your brush. I think you are like me in that we both get frustrated at the level of ignorance of History we see nowdays.
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13th February 2020, 06:37 PM	#140
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 46,960	The ad is clever but from a advertising point of view it might be too clever; it does not connect all that well with the product it's supposed to be selling.
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13th February 2020, 07:14 PM	#141
Hercules Rockefeller Woof! Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 3,383	The company that made the ad recieved a bomb thread earlier today.
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13th February 2020, 07:22 PM	#142
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 26,411	Originally Posted by dann Couldn't you think of a Scandinavian writer who was not a Nazi? That was deliberate. I was also going to choose the Finnish swastika as well, but thought it would be too obvious.
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13th February 2020, 07:44 PM	#143
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwet Posts: 25,006	Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller The company that made the ad recieved a bomb thread earlier today. A bomb thread? Was it this one? Ok, sorry.
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13th February 2020, 08:10 PM	#144
Arcade22 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 5,982	Originally Posted by PhantomWolf Isn't Finland part of Scandinavia? No, Finland is not a part of Scandinavia. Finland is a Nordic country, which is a broader notion. Scandinavia is limited to Denmark, Sweden and Norway. The Nordic countries are those, plus the countries that have been heavily influenced and controlled by the Scandinavian ones. Finland was an integral part of Sweden for centuries, so it qualifies as a Nordic country.
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13th February 2020, 08:19 PM	#145
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 26,411	Originally Posted by Arcade22 No, Finland is not a part of Scandinavia. Finland is a Nordic country, which is a broader notion. Scandinavia is limited to Denmark, Sweden and Norway. The Nordic countries are those, plus the countries that have been heavily influenced and controlled by the Scandinavian ones. Finland was an integral part of Sweden for centuries, so it qualifies as a Nordic country. Nah! It has one of those crosses on its flag so Finland and Iceland are Skandanavian.
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13th February 2020, 11:00 PM	#147
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 13,425	Originally Posted by dudalb I think you are like me in that we both get frustrated at the level of ignorance of History we see nowdays. Yes, the ignorance of history sometimes displayed on this forum does frustrate me, but even worse, when those who are ignorant of history come on here and pontificate on it, and then have the cheek to argue against established historical fact when it is clear that they have no clue whatsoever, well that really pisses me off!
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13th February 2020, 11:05 PM	#148
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 13,425	Originally Posted by dudalb It gets complicated. Finland is geographically part of Scandanavia, but the Finns, ethnically, are totally different from the other Scandinavian nations. Language..except for a few borrowed words,is totally different from Norweigian, Swedish, Danish, etc. And they have the world's prettiest Prime Minister..... Finns are ethnically more closely related to Estonians than they are to the Swedish.
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14th February 2020, 01:28 AM	#149
Hercules Rockefeller Woof! Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 3,383	Originally Posted by Trebuchet A bomb thread? Was it this one? Ok, sorry.
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14th February 2020, 06:28 AM	#150
dann Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,317	Originally Posted by Arcade22 No, Finland is not a part of Scandinavia. Finland is a Nordic country, which is a broader notion. Scandinavia is limited to Denmark, Sweden and Norway. The Nordic countries are those, plus the countries that have been heavily influenced and controlled by the Scandinavian ones. Finland was an integral part of Sweden for centuries, so it qualifies as a Nordic country. Geographically, the Scandinavian peninsula consists of Norway, Sweden and a small part of Finland. Denmark is not a geographical part of Scandinavia. Culturally, you could say that the Nordic Baltic Eight (Wikipedia) are a kind of sister nations. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were Danish for a couple of centuries in the Middle Ages, before they became Swedish and then Russian. Iceland (Wikipedia) was liberated from the Danish hegemony in WW2.
dann Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,317	__________________ /dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx Last edited by dann; 14th February 2020 at 06:29 AM.

14th February 2020, 11:56 AM	#151
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 46,960	Originally Posted by smartcooky Finns are ethnically more closely related to Estonians than they are to the Swedish. And both Finns and Estonians seem to have split off from the Magyars (who became the Hungarians) at some point from simarliteis in the languages.
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14th February 2020, 11:58 AM	#152
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 41,772	Originally Posted by Giordano Seems to me to me that the same group of posters who deny the existence of racism, no matter the evidence, in the "...while Black" threads have arrived here to deny any Nazis/Right Wingers were upset by the ad. Apparently they are so convinced that such people and motivations do not exist that they apply levels of "skepticism" that would similarly deny that there is evidence of gravity. How could such folks exist? Inconceivable! to quote "The Princess Bride. Mostly I just think dann's idea that only Nazis could not like this ad is full of crap. That, and the usual "nazis" equivocation.

14th February 2020, 04:45 PM	#153
dann Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,317	Why Don’t Racists Want You to See This Airline’s Ad? (Fodor’s, Feb. 12, 2020) Bomb Alert in Copenhagen over Controversial SAS Ad Campaign (Bloomberg, Feb.13, 2020) ’What is truly Scandinavia? Nothing’ – Airline clarifies ad after far-right criticism (The Guardian, Feb. 13, 2020)
dann Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,317	__________________ /dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx

14th February 2020, 04:53 PM	#154
dann Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,317	Originally Posted by theprestige Mostly I just think [hilitie]dann's idea that only Nazis could not like this ad is full of crap[/hilite]. That, and the usual "nazis" equivocation. Welcome back to theprestige and his usual equivocation. Now that it's become obvious to everybody that Nazis were behind the campaign against the SAS ad, he feels the need to come up with a new strawman in defense of his initial denial. I wish he would tell us where I claimed that only Nazis didn't like the ad unlike other racists and anti-immigration idiots who were fine with it. At least he makes it pretty obvious whose ideas are full of it.
dann Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,317	__________________ /dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx

14th February 2020, 05:00 PM	#155
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 26,411	Originally Posted by dudalb And both Finns and Estonians seem to have split off from the Magyars (who became the Hungarians) at some point from simarliteis in the languages. No, the Magyars are the Hungarians. It’s the Hungarian word for the Hungarians. The language family that includes Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian is the Uralic language family.
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14th February 2020, 05:01 PM	#156
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 41,772	Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller The company that made the ad recieved a bomb thread earlier today. Maybe they should stop advertising their commitment to change the global climate for the worse.