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Old 13th February 2020, 09:15 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy View Post
Yes. He can blow off all criticism for a month, then have Trump block his testimony the night before and tell Congress to go **** themselves all while "cooperating." You don't think he's actually sincere about testifying, do you?
Also, on that day, the Supreme Court might make a decision about Trump's tax returns. Barr wants to draw attention away from that.
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Old 13th February 2020, 09:25 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweeted

Now it looks like the fore person in the jury, in the Roger Stone case, had significant bias. Add that to everything else, and this is not looking good for the “Justice” Department. @foxandfriends @FoxNews
On the Alex Jones show when they were still selecting the jury for this trial, on the air Jones "identified" and named the foreperson of the jury as someone who worked under the Obama administration. That person ended up not even being on the jury at all, and they weren't in the same position that Jones identified. I wonder if this latest mess is related to that?



ETA - we now live in a world where the sitting President of the United States is using scare quotes around "Justice" Department.

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Old 13th February 2020, 10:08 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
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Now it looks like the fore person in the jury, in the Roger Stone case, had significant bias. Add that to everything else, and this is not looking good for the “Justice” Department. @foxandfriends @FoxNews
On the Alex Jones show when they were still selecting the jury for this trial, on the air Jones "identified" and named the foreperson of the jury as someone who worked under the Obama administration. That person ended up not even being on the jury at all, and they weren't in the same position that Jones identified. I wonder if this latest mess is related to that?
I don't listen to Alex Jones, so I'm not sure if this is the same case or not...

Supposedly, Stone's lawyers request a retrial because one of the jury members worked for the IRS on tax cases. However, the judge had determined that there was no reason to suspect bias (and the person would not have been working on any cases that would have involved Stone).

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/12/polit...ial/index.html
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Old 13th February 2020, 10:26 AM   #84
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Why can't a guy just leave well enough alone and wait for the wheels of justice to spin and then pardon him or whatever.

Doesn't he have a wall to build, I can send him a bag of hammers.

And some pesos.
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Old 13th February 2020, 10:41 AM   #85
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
I don't listen to Alex Jones, so I'm not sure if this is the same case or not...

Supposedly, Stone's lawyers request a retrial because one of the jury members worked for the IRS on tax cases. However, the judge had determined that there was no reason to suspect bias (and the person would not have been working on any cases that would have involved Stone).

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/12/polit...ial/index.html
Thanks. Different person, same type of objection. More than 10% of jobs in the DC area are with the federal government, and a jury has 12 members. Go figure.
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Old 13th February 2020, 10:53 AM   #86
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Supposedly, Stone's lawyers request a retrial because one of the jury members worked for the IRS on tax cases. However, the judge had determined that there was no reason to suspect bias (and the person would not have been working on any cases that would have involved Stone).

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/12/polit...ial/index.html
Here's a little bit more of the trial request and juror issue...

From: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/12/trum...on-pardon.html
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Stone had argued that the juror “should have been removed for bias” because the juror “is employed in a division of the Internal Revenue Service ‘that works hand-in-hand with the Department of Justice prosecuting criminal tax matters,’” and because they ”‘violated the Court’s order to avoid media coverage of the case,’” Jackson wrote. The judge noted that there was nothing in the juror’s questionnaire or their testimony to support Stone’s claim that they work on “on criminal matters or interacts with the Department of Justice at all....”... Jackson took a shot at Stone’s attorney for not researching the background of the juror, who, the judge wrote, works on ”’civil tax administration, mainly for large and international businesses, and they do not even refer matters to the” Justice Department.
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Cry me a river, the defendant stuck 54 jurors for cause and he didn't get this one?

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Old 13th February 2020, 12:38 PM   #88
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
I think Joe is right - trolling. And a distraction. Which makes me wonder what he's trying to distract us from.
He simply has no self control, he just reacted.
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He simply has no self control, he just reacted.
Yea it seems weird that people still think there is a sophisticated mind behind everything. There isn't this is pure lack of impulse control.
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DC isn't Trump country. Every jury ever assembled in that city is going to have people who are ambivalent, if not outright hostile, to Trump.

Trump assumes that every jury that isn't assembled from MAGA cultists is an unfair one.
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Old 13th February 2020, 03:24 PM   #91
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Barr has said that Trump's tweets make it impossible for him to do his job
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Old 13th February 2020, 03:25 PM   #92
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Yeah, paper protest from Barr. Nothing behind it or he'd have quit already.

Just trying to make a smokescreen while he shovels s*** for the boss.
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Old 13th February 2020, 03:30 PM   #93
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Yeah, paper protest from Barr. Nothing behind it or he'd have quit already.
Actually I think Barr is being honest here.

His job is to enable Trump's corruption. But Trump the tweets makes it harder for Barr to hide it.
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Actually I think Barr is being honest here.



His job is to enable Trump's corruption. But Trump the tweets makes it harder for Barr to hide it.
I think you hit the nail on the head there.
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Actually I think Barr is being honest here.

His job is to enable Trump's corruption. But Trump the tweets makes it harder for Barr to hide it.
This, I think Barr is genuinely angry at Trump''s stupidity. THe kind of thing Trump is trying to do you do in private, behind closed doors. You don't do it in front of God and everybody.
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Originally Posted by C_Felix View Post
Slightly OT:

I looked up sentencing guidelines....
RS was convicted on 5 counts of making false statements to Congress.

The guideline is:



7-9 years is not unreasonable.
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I think one of the other things that went into the sentencing recommendation is the fact that Stone 1) Broke a gag order while awaiting trial, and 2) did so by posting a picture of the judge with 'crosshairs' (which could be seen as inciting violence)
As meager as it is, 5 years for each count would still be 25 years. And it should be hard time, no parole or "good time" service reductions. Lying to Congress and obstructing justice should be dealt with harshly.
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There is no question of being allowed to do anything. Federal Judges are pretty much free to sentence as they like within the guidelines of the Law, regardless of the Prosecution's recommendation.
Every other norm of society has been crapped on. Why would an independent judiciary be any different?

All of our institutions have failed us. The US has no legitimate government.
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Then he should quit - what a crybaby.
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Actually I think Barr is being honest here.

His job is to enable Trump's corruption. But Trump the tweets makes it harder for Barr to hide it.
This. The "job" Barr is referring to is protecting the president. He's certainly not referring to his job as the chief law enforcement officer of the United States.
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When Barr's asked about Trump's corruption.

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This, I think Barr is genuinely angry at Trump''s stupidity. THe kind of thing Trump is trying to do you do in private, behind closed doors.
Indeed. Why didn't Trump have the good sense of Loretta Lynch?
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Indeed. Why didn't Trump have the good sense of Loretta Lynch?
Or Barr for that matter.
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As meager as it is, 5 years for each count would still be 25 years. And it should be hard time, no parole or "good time" service reductions. Lying to Congress and obstructing justice should be dealt with harshly.
This article argues that what Barr has done is to eliminate the recommendations connected to the threats of violence.

It's worth bearing in mind, though, that the author is not herself a lawyer.
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That's something I don't understand. AFAIK Barr was totally willing to blow off the House in impeachment hearings (actually I'm not really sure how much the House pursued him). But then Nadler says, "come over, we want to ask you some questions about what may be unethical behavior in the Stone case, " and he just days "sure" and it's penciled in for next month?

Does Barr think this will be good for the Trump administration?
Keep in mind, the last time Barr subjected himself to open questions, it resulted in in exchanges like this:
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“Has the president or anyone at the White House ever asked or suggested that you open an investigation of anyone? Yes or no, please, sir,” Harris, the former California attorney general, asked Barr.

“Seems you would remember something like that and be able to tell us,” Harris said.

Barr told Harris that he was trying to “grapple with the word ‘suggest.’” The White House, he said, had not asked him to open an investigation.

“Perhaps they have suggested?” Harris asked.

“I don’t know. I wouldn’t say ‘suggest,’” Barr said.

“Hinted?” Harris asked.

“I don’t know,” Barr said.
I'd bet a dollar or two this is going to more of the same.
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I'd bet a dollar or two this is going to more of the same.
Absolutely. There is, after all, no penalty for lying or being evasive in testimony.
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I don't read a lot of CNN but this got me to click:

Barr 's stunning Trump rebuke sparks debate over his true motives
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/14/polit...stice-loyalty/

What I wonder is, even if it were a fully vetted stunt, might Trump get offended anyway and start tweeting attacks on Barr?
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I don't read a lot of CNN but this got me to click:

Barr 's stunning Trump rebuke sparks debate over his true motives
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/14/polit...stice-loyalty/

What I wonder is, even if it were a fully vetted stunt, might Trump get offended anyway and start tweeting attacks on Barr?
I don't have the link to hand and I can't remember whether he tweeted it or said it in an interview, but Trump has already said that it's perfectly fine and Barr is still his bestie.

[Edit]Here you go: https://twitter.com/PaulaReidCBS/sta...90144932143104

Quote:
JUST IN: WH reax to Barr interview 👀
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
I don't have the link to hand and I can't remember whether he tweeted it or said it in an interview, but Trump has already said that it's perfectly fine and Barr is still his bestie.

[Edit]Here you go: https://twitter.com/PaulaReidCBS/sta...90144932143104



Quote embedded in tweet.
Yeah, I wonder though if Trump will still react reflexively. Just because he was publicly challenged. Though he's allowed Lindsey Graham to get away with a few things.
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I don't have the link to hand and I can't remember whether he tweeted it or said it in an interview, but Trump has already said that it's perfectly fine and Barr is still his bestie.


I'm calling it. Barr is out within a month. The one thing we know about Trump is that he's full of ****. If he says he's cool with Barr, Barr is doomed. We've see it before.
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Yeah, I wonder though if Trump will still react reflexively. Just because he was publicly challenged. Though he's allowed Lindsey Graham to get away with a few things.


He doesn't have the power to fire Graham. With Barr, he does.
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I'm calling it. Barr is out within a month. The one thing we know about Trump is that he's full of ****. If he says he's cool with Barr, Barr is doomed. We've see it before.
You got a bet.
Trump won't fire Barr unless he got someone even more gelded.
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Fox TV host Lou Dobbs wants Barr fired:
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Dobbs—a devout Trump supporter—suggested to One America News' Tom Fitton that Barr was allowing the "deep state" to overtake the Justice Department. Link
Dobbs also repeated, everyone at DOJ works for Trump. They're part of the Executive Branch. Dobbs went on to say there has been massive infiltration of the Department of Justice (and the FBI) by the Deep State and that DOJ was "rancid and corrupt." How come the Democrats who tried to take Trump down, Dobbs wonders, how come they're not being indicted?

Answer: 'cause of that doggone Deep State again, that's why!
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
You got a bet.
Trump won't fire Barr unless he got someone even more gelded.
Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
Fox TV host Lou Dobbs wants Barr fired:


If it's being said on Fox News, you know Trump is listening.

Sure, this whole dog&pony show was intended for the masses, but the other thing we know about Trump, besides the fact that he lies, is that he also starts believing his own lies almost immediately. Even if he directly coordinated this whole affair, he'll also completely believe that he and Barr are at odds with each other.
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I don't have the link to hand and I can't remember whether he tweeted it or said it in an interview, but Trump has already said that it's perfectly fine and Barr is still his bestie.

[Edit]Here you go: https://twitter.com/PaulaReidCBS/sta...90144932143104



Quote embedded in tweet.
That's not Trump saying it's okey dokey, it's Stephanie Grisham doing damage control. Trump is undoubtedly steaming. And claiming he has every right to interfere in criminal justice.
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Old 15th February 2020, 02:00 AM   #115
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So he's accusing him of obstruction of "Justice".
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https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/...665736193?s=20

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THREAD: What should we make of news that Barr has assigned a team of prosecutors to review “politically sensitive” cases, like Michael Flynn’s?
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Old 17th February 2020, 02:38 AM   #117
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https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/...885850624?s=20

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�� Barr personally tried to push SDNY away from indicting Turkish bank Halkbank but US Attorney Berman resisted, per CNN.

Same bank case NYT cited—via John Bolton book—as Trump wanting to do favor for Turkey’s Erdogan cabal for Trump’s personal interest.
More in subsequent tweets.

I wonder if Barr should have his own thread? It's hard to keep up with all the different interconnected and related malfeasance of this administration.
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Old 17th February 2020, 02:41 AM   #118
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/...885850624?s=20



More in subsequent tweets.

I wonder if Barr should have his own thread? It's hard to keep up with all the different interconnected and related malfeasance of this administration.
bets are Barr will be out before his Testimony.
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Yeah, I wonder though if Trump will still react reflexively. Just because he was publicly challenged. Though he's allowed Lindsey Graham to get away with a few things.
It depends, if someone says to Trump (I. e. a commentator on Fox news says it) "Trump looks ridiculous being told off by his DA, only a weak President would let that happen". Barr would be gone in a heartbeat.
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
Fox TV host Lou Dobbs wants Barr fired:





Dobbs also repeated, everyone at DOJ works for Trump. They're part of the Executive Branch. Dobbs went on to say there has been massive infiltration of the Department of Justice (and the FBI) by the Deep State and that DOJ was "rancid and corrupt." How come the Democrats who tried to take Trump down, Dobbs wonders, how come they're not being indicted?



Answer: 'cause of that doggone Deep State again, that's why!
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