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Old 17th February 2020, 07:22 PM   #3041
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
As much as I enjoy the visual comparison, it would be dishonest to forget that, at the Nuremberg rallies, the people were there explicitly to see Hitler. At Daytona, they were there to see the race. I doubt few, if any, came just because Trump was going to be there.

Actually, a lot of people are talking. They're saying, "Sir, we didn't even realize there was a race scheduled in Daytona today; we just want to see Trump!"
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Old 17th February 2020, 08:17 PM   #3042
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
A lot of people watch NASCAR secretly hoping to see a wreck.
They got their wish.

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Old 17th February 2020, 08:27 PM   #3043
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Asked by reporters, "How will he unite the country," Donnie answered:
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"You know what's going to unify the country...All you have to do is look at our crowds and look at our support...what unifies it is our great success."
Then he dropped the mic walked to the helicopter.

I think he means his supporters are the country. The rest of us can drop dead.
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Old 17th February 2020, 08:52 PM   #3044
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
As far as Trump outrages go, this incident barely moves my “outrage needle”. Had it been another President doing exactly the same thing, I don’t think we’d be obsessing over it in quite the same way.
Conversely, if we had a normal president and this was one of the few boneheaded stunts he'd pulled, maybe we'd be all over it. Fox would, for sure.
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
Asked by reporters, "How will he unite the country," Donnie answered:


Then he dropped the mic walked to the helicopter.

I think he means his supporters are the country. The rest of us can drop dead.
I often find myself hoping that the opposite happens.
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Old 18th February 2020, 01:41 AM   #3046
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
Asked by reporters, "How will he unite the country," Donnie answered:
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Quote:
"You know what's going to unify the country...All you have to do is look at our crowds and look at our support...what unifies it is our great success."
Then he dropped the mic walked to the helicopter.

I think he means his supporters are the country. The rest of us can drop dead.
The 'stable genius' has failed to realize that his election divided the country in 2016 and his presidency has divided it even more. He lives in his own little reality bubble surrounded by yes men, sycophants and MAGAheads.
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Old 18th February 2020, 02:09 AM   #3047
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
The 'stable genius' has failed to realize that his election divided the country in 2016 and his presidency has divided it even more. He lives in his own little reality bubble surrounded by yes men, sycophants and MAGAheads.
I'm not so sure about that first part. I think he's well aware that there's a sizeable proportion of people who are vehemently opposed to him but he casts them as traitors which both supports his ego and motivates his base.

IMO he knows the electoral mathematics and that's part of why he spends so much time whipping up his base (the rest being that he loves the adulation of a baying mob). If he can get them to turn our then he knows he can comfortably secure reelection.
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Old 18th February 2020, 04:23 AM   #3048
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Did you hear the latest con job? President Obama is now trying to take credit for the Economic Boom taking place under the Trump Administration. He had the WEAKEST recovery since the Great Depression, despite Zero Fed Rate & MASSIVE quantitative easing. NOW, best jobs numbers....

....ever. Had to rebuild our military, which was totally depleted. Fed Rate UP, taxes and regulations WAY DOWN. If Dems won in 2016, the USA would be in big economic (Depression?) & military trouble right now. THE BEST IS YET TO COME. KEEP AMERICA GREAT!
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Old 18th February 2020, 04:29 AM   #3049
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Remember when Obama got impeached? How about when he paid off a porn star?
Remember when paid millions out of court for running a fake university? or remember when Obama he had to shutter his crooked foundation and pay a 2 million fine for stealing from it?
Remember when his ego was so fragile he had to attack his predecessor on Presidents Day?
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Old 18th February 2020, 04:36 AM   #3050
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Remember when Obama got impeached? How about when he paid off a porn star?
Remember when paid millions out of court for running a fake university? or remember when Obama he had to shutter his crooked foundation and pay a 2 million fine for stealing from it?
Remember when his ego was so fragile he had to attack his predecessor on Presidents Day?
I see this doesn’t have the “Trump Tweets” header, but in my head, I read this as a completely plausible Trump Tweet.
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Old 18th February 2020, 05:24 AM   #3051
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
Yeah, why not?

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Damn, even the stone is coloured orange!
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Old 18th February 2020, 05:43 AM   #3052
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Conversely, if we had a normal president and this was one of the few boneheaded stunts he'd pulled, maybe we'd be all over it. Fox would, for sure.
Maybe.

It appears that GWB made an appearance there in 2004. I don’t recall it being controversial.
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Old 18th February 2020, 06:19 AM   #3053
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

Did you hear the latest con job? President Obama is now trying to take credit for the Economic Boom taking place under the Trump Administration. He had the WEAKEST recovery since the Great Depression...
Did we hear the latest con job? I just can't get used to seeing a president of the United States expressing himself this way. And as usual, he's lying through his teeth. But you'll never get Trump to address the actual facts.

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Old 18th February 2020, 06:29 AM   #3054
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Maybe.
It appears that GWB made an appearance there in 2004. I don’t recall it being controversial.
It was apparently during GWB's re-election bid. Seems a normal thing to do, although back then probably not quite for the same reasons Dan Bongino imagines.

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Did we hear the latest con job? I just can't get used to seeing a president of the United States expressing himself this way. And as usual, he's lying through his teeth. But you'll never get Trump to address the actual facts.
I looked at some graphs about 2 weeks ago about GDP, unemployment and household income trends but didn't post. The conservative argument I heard this morning was that Obama inherited such a depressed economy that there was nowhere to go but upward.

Unemployment rate:


GDP per quarter:


Real Median household income:
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Originally Posted by TofuFighter View Post
It was apparently during GWB's re-election bid. Seems a normal thing to do, although back then probably not quite for the same reasons Dan Bongino imagines.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ictureid=12363
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Old 18th February 2020, 07:14 AM   #3057
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I looked at some graphs about 2 weeks ago about GDP, unemployment and household income trends but didn't post. The conservative argument I heard this morning was that Obama inherited such a depressed economy that there was nowhere to go but upward...
Very interesting and very informative. But we're at a point now where facts don't seem to matter to a broad swath of the population. Remember Conway's, "Alternate facts." Giuliani's, "Truth isn't truth." Trump's defenders, even on this forum, will ignore the economic indicators unless they can figure a way to pick them a part.

I was reading in one of the Trump books, at the very first meeting Trump had with Congressional leaders, he opened the meeting by stating he'd actually won the popular vote. That Hillary Clinton had received something like 3 million to 5 million illegal votes. Speaker Nancy Pelosi told the president, "If we're going to work together we are going to have to agree on a certain set of facts."

You know how that worked out, right?
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A real man's man, I'm sure.
I suspect that half the time they're just trying to get a trump-bump for themselves because they know that fawning messages will often be retweeted.

Considering the kind of vetting *ahem* that often appears to be applied to retweets, I'm surprised more people don't try and sneak coded messages into tweets to try and get trump to retweet them.
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I suspect that half the time they're just trying to get a trump-bump for themselves because they know that fawning messages will often be retweeted.
Ohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygod he retweeted me!!! Ooooohh! <faints>
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Old 18th February 2020, 07:55 AM   #3060
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Very interesting and very informative. But we're at a point now where facts don't seem to matter to a broad swath of the population. Remember Conway's, "Alternate facts." Giuliani's, "Truth isn't truth." Trump's defenders, even on this forum, will ignore the economic indicators unless they can figure a way to pick them a part.

I was reading in one of the Trump books, at the very first meeting Trump had with Congressional leaders, he opened the meeting by stating he'd actually won the popular vote. That Hillary Clinton had received something like 3 million to 5 million illegal votes. Speaker Nancy Pelosi told the president, "If we're going to work together we are going to have to agree on a certain set of facts."

You know how that worked out, right?
Well, for one thing, pictures work better.

trump's whole schtick is branding. Before becoming president he did the same thing with his development projects, tacking his name on them and declaring endlessly to be 'luxury, super luxury, world class'. The best of the best. Even for [/url="https://features.propublica.org/trump-inc-podcast/trump-family-business-panama-city-khafif/"]multiple projects[/url] in which he lied about sales or his personal investment in them in order to generate the impression of success. None of this is news to anyone who is paying attention and, I'm sure, to anyone who has lived in New York city for any length of time. He's done the same thing with the presidency, creating an image of success with his continuous exaggeration and lies. Eventually it just seeps into the consciousness of people who are not really examining the detail.

Bloomberg seems to be doing a pretty good job of saturating the airwaves with information contradicting trump's message. Bernie shouldn't complain too much about him just yet. Tom Steyer is also focused on debunking the trump economy myth. That might help keep Democratic or Independent voters informed, but as you rightly say, there's a pretty big part of the electorate who just refuse to hear it or accept it in any way.
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“Judge Jackson now has a request for a new trial based on the unambiguous & self outed bias of the foreperson of the jury, whose also a lawyer, by the way. ‘Madam foreperson, your a lawyer, you have a duty, an affirmative obligation, to reveal to us when we selected you the.....

.....existence of these tweets in which you were so harshly negative about the President & the people who support him. Don’t you think we wanted to know that before we put you on this jury.’ Pretty obvious he should (get a new trial). I think almost any judge in the Country.....

.....would order a new trial, I’m not so sure about Judge Jackson, I don’t know.”
@Judgenap (Andrew Napolitano) @foxandfriends

(He tweeted this twice 3 hours apart)

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These were Mueller prosecutors, and the whole Mueller investigation was illegally set up based on a phony and now fully discredited Fake Dossier, lying and forging documents to the FISA Court, and many other things. Everything having to do with this fraudulent investigation is...

....badly tainted and, in my opinion, should be thrown out. Even Mueller’s statement to Congress that he did not see me to become the FBI Director (again), has been proven false. The whole deal was a total SCAM. If I wasn’t President, I’d be suing everyone all over the place...

....BUT MAYBE I STILL WILL. WITCH HUNT!
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The Crooked DNC is working overtime to take the Democrat Nomination away from Bernie, AGAIN! Watch what happens to the Super Delegates in Round Two. A Rigged Convention!

The United States cannot, & will not, become such a difficult place to deal with in terms of foreign countries buying our product, including for the always used National Security excuse, that our companies will be forced to leave in order to remain competitive. We want to sell...

....product and goods to China and other countries. That’s what trade is all about. We don’t want to make it impossible to do business with us. That will only mean that orders will go to someplace else. As an example, I want China to buy our jet engines, the best in the World....

....I have seen some of the regulations being circulated, including those being contemplated by Congress, and they are ridiculous. I want to make it EASY to do business with the United States, not difficult. Everyone in my Administration is being so instructed, with no excuses...

....THE UNITED STATES IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS!

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Ohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygod he retweeted me!!! Ooooohh! <faints>
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President Trump pardons former San Francisco 49ers Owner Eddie DeBartolo Jr, who plead guilty in 1998 to failure to report a felony in a long running bribery case which lead to former Louisiana Governor Edwin E. Edwards being sent to Federal Prison.

DeBartolo did not serve jail time but paid 1 million dollars in fines and relinquished ownership of the football team.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/18/polit...ump/index.html
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Originally Posted by TofuFighter View Post
I looked at some graphs about 2 weeks ago about GDP, unemployment and household income trends but didn't post. The conservative argument I heard this morning was that Obama inherited such a depressed economy that there was nowhere to go but upward.

Unemployment rate:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ictureid=12366

GDP per quarter:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ictureid=12364

Real Median household income:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ictureid=12365
I don't know how safe it would be but I'd love to stick those graphs on a few billboards as a tease, with a prominent link to a quiz or something. Believe it or not freshman algebra students really like graphs! They get engaged talking about what graphs are showing and when given multiple-choice answers will discuss it among themselves. It could be a way to counter Trump's narrative without calling anyone wrong. His supporters could still say, "Well, stay the course!" while detractors could worry about a bubble. It would be a public service, IMO. Educate people a little.

Puts things in perspective for me; the 2008 crash had a big effect on my life but can also be seen as a predictable correction that has evened out over time.

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They got their wish.

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I don't think spectators secretly wish for NASCAR crashes; I think it's fairly explicit. I don't think they're hoping for *deaths*, but there's some satisfaction watching drivers emerge unscathed. For me, anyway. It's like magic - how to they do that? With science!

But then you do have the fatalities. In the stands, even.
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President Trump pardons former San Francisco 49ers Owner Eddie DeBartolo Jr, who plead guilty in 1998 to failure to report a felony in a long running bribery case which lead to former Louisiana Governor Edwin E. Edwards being sent to Federal Prison.

DeBartolo did not serve jail time but paid 1 million dollars in fines and relinquished ownership of the football team.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/18/polit...ump/index.html
If Trump could make it law to give him his old team back, he probably would.
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I thought Jeff Sessions was a horrible choice as AG, but leave it to Trump to replace him with an even worse choice.

More than 1100 former DOJ employees have signed a petition calling for the resignation of AG Barr.
The number nearly doubled over the course of the day and is now over 2,000.

In addition, the Federal Judges Association, representing over 1,000 federal jurists, has now called an "emergency meeting" ahead of its scheduled gathering in the Spring.
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Trump has commuted the sentence of former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

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Trump has commuted the sentence of former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/18/polit...nce/index.html
Even GOP lawmakers bitched about that one. Again, it's going to be really, really hard for Trump to sell the "I'm the law and order POTUS" when he keeps doing **** like this.
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Trump has pardoned former New York Police Commissioner Bernie Kerik, who is currently serving three years for tax fraud.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/18/polit...don/index.html
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Old 18th February 2020, 12:15 PM   #3073
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Trump has commuted the sentence of former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/18/polit...nce/index.html
Clearly, Trump learned his lesson about corruption.
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Old 18th February 2020, 12:17 PM   #3074
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Even GOP lawmakers bitched about that one. Again, it's going to be really, really hard for Trump to sell the "I'm the law and order POTUS" when he keeps doing **** like this.


Yeah, this one legitimately shocks me. Wasn't this guy the Republican Poster Boy for how Corrupt&Evil the Democrats are?

I guess Trump is so keen to normalize political corruption that he'll even let the Democrats get away with it, now.
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Old 18th February 2020, 12:20 PM   #3075
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He probably just wants a token "See? See? I let one of the crooked Demmiecrats off!" to point at.

It fits into his whole "Everything I'm doing is okay because the whole system is corrupt" defense.
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Old 18th February 2020, 12:20 PM   #3076
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And here's another one:

Trump pardons Michael Milken, face of 1980s insider financial scandals


He's really pulling out some classic scumbags this week.
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Old 18th February 2020, 12:23 PM   #3077
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
Yeah, this one legitimately shocks me. Wasn't this guy the Republican Poster Boy for how Corrupt&Evil the Democrats are?

I guess Trump is so keen to normalize political corruption that he'll even let the Democrats get away with it, now.
They're old reality TV buddies.
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Old 18th February 2020, 12:25 PM   #3078
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
It fits into his whole "Everything I'm doing is okay because the whole system is corrupt" defense.


He certainly seems to be hitting a theme with some of these. In the Miliken case:


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Grisham said in that statement that “the charges filed against Mr. Milken were truly novel.”

“In fact, one of the lead prosecutors later admitted that Mr. Milken had been charged with numerous technical offenses and regulatory violations that had never before been charged as crimes,” Grisham said.

How about that folks? If you invent a new type of crime to commit, you should be allowed to get away with it!

I should start a thread on this....
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And here's another one:

Trump pardons Michael Milken, face of 1980s insider financial scandals


He's really pulling out some classic scumbags this week.
But why is he pardoning any of them?
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Old 18th February 2020, 12:31 PM   #3080
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Maybe.

It appears that GWB made an appearance there in 2004. I don’t recall it being controversial.
Nothing wrong with appearing there or enjoying it (despite Limbaugh's conniption about the Obamas doing so). That lap was in terrible taste, though, further compounded by Trump leaving before the race even started.
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