Moderated Money/inequalities - Part 3 / Poll - willing to work for free?

Are you willing to work for free if the goods and services are free?

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 31.5%

  • No

    Votes: 35 47.9%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 15 20.5%
  • Total voters
    73
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Gaetan said:
It is not a cost it is a waste of time and resources that could be more useful
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How can it be a waste if it "is not a cost"?

So now allowing people to work as they want isn't "useful" in your fantasy?

How is where "time and resources that could be more useful" decided in your fantasy?
 
Gaetan said:
In a world of no money there won't be useless work to produce stupid cosmetic that cause cancer and decease, no food in groceries full of colorants, preservatives to maximise profits but cause cancer, food full of pesticides, useless product made to make money but not useful appliance. There won't be a dozen of mark of printers to make the same job but just the best one, dozen marks of cars that pollute the environment but the best one for such duties as town drive, campagne, hard duties, no object not reparable or for one use will be done, no bankers or peoples tracking money, we'll save a lot of useless work in a world of no money and have more time off for pleasure.
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The problems you're trying to solve aren't problems of money. Taking money away won't solve those problems. In fact, if you take money away, but don't solve those problems, money will just come right back. Money will come back for the same reason it came up in the first place.

The good news is that if you solve those other problems, you won't need to take away money. If you solve those other problems, money will occupy its rightful place in the service of human society.
 
theprestige said:
The problems you're trying to solve aren't problems of money. Taking money away won't solve those problems. In fact, if you take money away, but don't solve those problems, money will just come right back. Money will come back for the same reason it came up in the first place.

The good news is that if you solve those other problems, you won't need to take away money. If you solve those other problems, money will occupy its rightful place in the service of human society.
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For exemple, pesticides that gives cancer and others diseases, don't you think they are made to maximize profit of producers?
 
Gaetan said:
For exemple, pesticides that gives cancer and others diseases, don't you think they are made to maximize profit of producers?
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No, they are made to kill pests. The more effective they are at that tasks, the better they sell. The side effect aren't a concern.
 
BStrong said:
The great philosopher Ian Hunter said it best:

You're never alone with a schizophrenic.
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He should say that a schizophrenic is never alone. A lots of spirits and extraterrestrials with me.
 
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Gaetan said:
There are poor without shelter, food, and clothes, he should take that into his account.
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That's a platitude, which doesn't answer my point at all.

Do you or do you not understand that money spent into the system doesn't evaporate?

Yes, not only me says that but also JC
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Don't bother me with fiction. I've asked you a direct question.

Gaetan said:
You don't know how many zeros are 30 trillions
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Twelve.
 
Gaetan said:
You don't know how many zeros are 30 trillions
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Thirteen of them. Doesn't explain why I should trust a millionaire, who made his millions working "for the people" feeding at the public trough. He isn't an exception of what is a "good communist" he is the rule. This is what happens, the leaders get fat, the people starve.

By the way, when are you going to get back to explaining how one recycles time? Or if something is free, that is to say has no value, how can it be wasted?
 
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Leftus said:
Thirteen of them. QUOTE]

You cheated.
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Who are you to judge? Don't you know your book of myths?

“Do not judge, or you will be judged. 2For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ while there is still a beam in your own eye? 5You hypocrite! First take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
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Gaetan said:
You cheated.
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Beg your pardon? Perhaps you want to review the rules.

Also, could you actually address the part of the conversation you dishonestly cut and are avoiding?


Why should I trust a millionaire, who got his millions in public service no less, to have an agenda that helps anyone not named Bernie Sanders?

Rather than share his wealth, he cut hours of his employees to avoid paying them more. He keeps his workers poor. And is trying to get rich off them. You know, like a good communist.
 
Gaetan said:
For exemple, pesticides that gives cancer and others diseases, don't you think they are made to maximize profit of producers?
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Again, this isn't a money problem. It's a desire problem. Take away the money, and people will still desire crops. People will still desire to profit from the growing of crops. Take away the money, and people will just barter for the product of each other's labor. People will still desire to profit from those transactions. And right away, they'll bring back money, because money is a much more efficient mechanism than barter, for satisfying human desire.

You keep talking about getting rid of money. But the problems you're trying to solve aren't money problems. Getting rid of money won't solve them.
 
theprestige said:
You keep talking about getting rid of money. But the problems you're trying to solve aren't money problems. Getting rid of money won't solve them.
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The problem, as it were, solves itself. Without money, cancer researches will be unfettered and they will find a cure. So it doesn't matter what gives you cancer, because it's cured.

Hey, if he can generate a fantasy world, why can't I?
 
Belz... said:
I can't believe I wrote twelve when I thought thirteen.

What an idiot.
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I at first miscounted myself. But was within the edit time. Apparently, that is cheating despite there not being any rules whatsoever.
 
theprestige said:
Again, this isn't a money problem. It's a desire problem. Take away the money, and people will still desire crops. People will still desire to profit from the growing of crops. Take away the money, and people will just barter for the product of each other's labor. People will still desire to profit from those transactions. And right away, they'll bring back money, because money is a much more efficient mechanism than barter, for satisfying human desire.

You keep talking about getting rid of money. But the problems you're trying to solve aren't money problems. Getting rid of money won't solve them.
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When Bernie asked how he was going to pay for all of the "free" stuff he was giving away, he did not say "aren't you paying attention, I'm getting rid of money" but rather talked about taxing certain people richer than he is.
 
Leftus said:
When Bernie asked how he was going to pay for all of the "free" stuff he was giving away, he did not say "aren't you paying attention, I'm getting rid of money" but rather talked about taxing certain people richer than he is.
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Trump said he is responsible for the good performance of the market, bet he is.
 
BStrong said:
As much as I dislike the guy,
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Good fellow. Vote for Bernie Sanders, he is a good communist, he'll take care of your health, have your medication and doctor free of charge. He is like Robin Hood : He'll take the money from rich and give it to poor.
 
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Leftus said:
What does this have to do with your lie that Bernie is getting rid of money?
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It seems that the corona virus will get rid of your money. Did you already sell all your share and buy gold chicken?
 
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Gaetan said:
Good fellow. Vote for Bernie Sanders, he is a good communist, he'll take care of your health, have your medication and doctor free of charge. He is like Robin Hood : He'll take the money from rich and give it to poor.
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I see the jesus-man myth isn't the only myth you've fallen for.
 
The medias say that black people are supporting Biden, i don't see why, maybe it is because Obama name him as vice president but Obama is a white with a black shell. Biden is a white supremacist, he was denounced by a candidate during a debate to be a segregationist. If he is elected as president, but he won't be, he'll favor the richest in US. He is the candidat of the establishment of the democrat party. The establishment of the democrat party is for the richest, not the middle class or the poor that most of black people are.
 
Gaetan said:
The medias say that black people are supporting Biden, i don't see why, maybe it is because Obama name him as vice president but Obama is a white with a black shell. Biden is a white supremacist, he was denounced by a candidate during a debate to be a segregationist. If he is elected as president, but he won't be, he'll favor the richest in US. He is the candidat of the establishment of the democrat party. The establishment of the democrat party is for the richest, not the middle class or the poor that most of black people are.
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It's their country, their election, their president.

Why should I care?

Are they not free to elect whoever they wish? Is freedom to vote a bad thing?
 
Gaetan said:
It seems that the corona virus will get rid of your money. Did you already sell all your share and buy gold chicken?
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No gold chickens here. Or golden eggs. Are you jealous that the coronavirus will kill more people before you get the chance to? What does this have to do with your lies about Bernie?

Also, it's overblown. Even if it manages to infect everyone, it's not going to kill anyone who isn't already on the knifes edge. The sick and elderly. It's not going to take down anyone marginally healthy. So the vast majority of the world have absolutely nothing to fear.

The medias say that black people are supporting Biden, i don't see why …
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Yes, you do. And you give it in the same damn paragraph.

He is the candidate of the establishment of the democrat party. The establishment of the democrat party is for the richest, not the middle class or the poor that most of black people are.
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The problem is, your reality and the reality of people in reality, don't align. They know that the system works and any change must work within that system, ergo a establishment candidate. Your hatred of the rich is not shared by the vast majority of people. BTW, did you notice that Bernie Sanders stopped blaming millionaires? Funny that.
 
Leftus said:
No gold chickens here. Or golden eggs. Are you jealous that the coronavirus will kill more people before you get the chance to? What does this have to do with your lies about Bernie?
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The slaughter of innocents is built right in to Gaetan's magic book. He does not merely believe it, he wants it.

Leftus said:
Also, it's overblown. Even if it manages to infect everyone, it's not going to kill anyone who isn't already on the knifes edge. The sick and elderly. It's not going to take down anyone marginally healthy. So the vast majority of the world have absolutely nothing to fear.
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Ah. See Gaetan, like many, does not comprehend the law of large numbers. If covid manages to kill a bunch of people, while individually tragic, the simple fact is that the species will soldier on. As do all species.

Gaetan will, innevitably purloin this into "atheists don't care who lives or dies" which is also false. We all very much do. The difference is that while we can separate the personal from the global, Gaetan can only and exclusively do so as it pertains to him right this minute.

Leftus said:
Yes, you do. And you give it in the same damn paragraph.
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Your expectation of any consistency is most optomistic.


Leftus said:
The problem is, your reality and the reality of people in reality, don't align. They know that the system works and any change must work within that system, ergo a establishment candidate. Your hatred of the rich is not shared by the vast majority of people. BTW, did you notice that Bernie Sanders stopped blaming millionaires? Funny that.
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Funnier. Gaetan started of with the "Utopia" notion and as that got destroyed as a concept, has aimlessly drifted from concept to concept willy-nilly.

Were one to wander back to the OP, one would discover that the proposals cannot work and ARE NOT THE SAME FROM ONE DAY TO THE NEXT.

That is how incoherent the whole proposal is.
 
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Gaetan said:
No he doesn't but he can't say always the same thing every time he talks.
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Actually he can, he said "millionaires and billionaires" dozens of times. Every time. And then, <Gasp> he became a millionaire. Then all of a sudden that first word disappeared. And then it was billionaires and only billionaires. Funny that. All of a sudden, millionaires weren't bad people. Because he was one of them. Take a good look, his tax policies are designed to avoid wealthy people like himself. Trumpian, in it's own way.

What does this have to do with your lies about Bernie? He isn't looking to get rid of currency. He isn't looking to lower the amount he has.
 
Gaetan said:
I see that you are hangry because the corona virus had your shares go down by 50%. Put all your money in drug companies then!
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I own no shares in anything. Why are you so arrogantly ignorant? Next you will again claim that I am voting Bernie for president, despite the fact that I have repeatedly told you that I am not an american, don't live in america, have no vote in any american election whatsoever.

I have told you this over and over. But you keep ignoring it. Why?
 
Gaetan said:
Lies, lies, and lies there will be always something left
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So why won't you address your lies?

Bernies tax on millionaires used to be 100%. Then he became one. Now he doesn't address it. In fact, he hasn't said millionaires even ONCE in the 2020 campaign. Funny that.

Maybe that is why you like him, he is as dishonest as you.
 
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