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Old 25th March 2020, 09:57 PM   #1681
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
You would think that they would be smart enough to recognize the problems with the economy caused by an uncontrolled virus... but markets have also gone up when Trump first took over, and although he did cut taxes and regulations, those would have provided at best a temporary boost (and made later recessions much worse).

If stock traders were smart, they would recognize how inept Trump was the moment he won the election, and the markets would have started to drop right away.
I don’t understand your reasoning. Why should the markets have immediately gone down? They knew he was inept, but an inept president doesn’t necessarily mean the market should go down. The stock market rewards short-term thinking and President Trump does nothing but that.
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Old 25th March 2020, 10:19 PM   #1682
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post
Someone on Twitter:

"Coronavirus is proving Trump right.
He is killing people on Fifth Avenue and getting away with it."
It would work out a LOT better if one of the people he killed on Fifth Avenue was himself. He could definitely get away with that.
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Old 25th March 2020, 10:19 PM   #1683
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Originally Posted by turingtest View Post
Yep. Remember when the candidate promised (among other things) "great health care [coverage], at a fraction of the cost"; and, for people who couldn't afford the coverage at all, that "the government is going to pay for it"? I'll bet a lot of people who believed those promises and voted accordingly are wishing now the President would have been dong more than just mouthing words; and I'd bet there are lot of insurance companies who are smirking now because they knew all along that mouthing words is all it ever was.
You might not win that bet. A fair number will simply blame the liberals for preventing President Trump from implementing a health care plan as perfect as the phone call.

It’s hard to undrink the Kool-Aid.
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Old 25th March 2020, 10:35 PM   #1684
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Originally Posted by Mader Levap View Post
Whine whine whine. Some Fuhrer he is. Was Hitler that whiny too? We will never know, since Twitter didn't yet exist in 1932.

Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Those around Hitler where just as scared to contradict him as the toadies surrounding Trump.
And really, yeah, Hitler actually did act a lot like Trump in that regard. He constantly denigrated and disdained the media (while suddenly becoming happy when there was a positive article published). He had no tolerance at all for being the butt of a joke and constantly mocked others in much the same fashions that Trump does.

If Hitler had access to Twitter, it would be no surprise for him to be practically a mirror of Trump. As it is, there are archived newspapers that could be gone through that covered much of this behavior.

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I'll have to find out what the details of that are but honestly, these guys think people won't want to go back to work? How many people could that possibly effect? They can't get out of their habits believing all poor people would be lazy leeches if given a chance.
Motivated logic. That poor people are poor because they're lazy stereotype has long been weaponized by the rich as an excuse/justification to make themselves feel better. If only all those poor people would just get a tiny million dollar loan from daddy and become a successful businessman like a certain someone has demonstrated for us all, they wouldn't be poor, after all.

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Lazy leeching rich people, of course, don't exist.
Honestly, if one thinks about it in terms of projection, that might explain things remarkably well.


To poke elsewhere...

Cease & Desist: We're not allowed to quote Trump.

Trump's lawyers are going after an ad that just plays relevant soundbites of his. On what basis?

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Their specific objection is to the inclusion of Trump saying “this is their new hoax.” The lawyer’s argument is that though Trump said “hoax,” Trump meant “politicization,” and that since Trump meant a totally different word than the one he used, that we’re not allowed to quote him.
Mmm. Honestly, if the complain was actually valid, I'd support it, albeit with a heavy reminder that they should be more concerned about the log in their eye than the speck of dust in the other person's eye.

It's not valid, though, of course.

Matt Gaetz wrongfully decided to attack money going to a COVID-19 treatment facility in the relief bill. The other kicker? That treatment facility is about 2 miles away from his office.

Oh, and lest you think that the other bad stuff the Trump Administration is doing has been preempted, well...

Walmart Was Almost Charged Criminally Over Opioids. Trump Appointees Killed the Indictment.

Even as company pharmacists protested, Walmart kept filling suspicious prescriptions, stoking the country’s opioid epidemic. A Republican U.S. Attorney in Texas thought the evidence was damning. Trump’s political appointees? Not so much.
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Old 25th March 2020, 10:51 PM   #1685
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
...To poke elsewhere...

Cease & Desist: We're not allowed to quote Trump.

Trump's lawyers are going after an ad that just plays relevant soundbites of his. On what basis?
On SLAPP (strategic lawsuit against public participation) basis of course. Who needs an actual basis?

Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
..Mmm. Honestly, if the complain was actually valid, I'd support it, albeit with a heavy reminder that they should be more concerned about the log in their eye than the speck of dust in the other person's eye.

It's not valid, though, of course.

Matt Gaetz wrongfully decided to attack money going to a COVID-19 treatment facility in the relief bill. The other kicker? That treatment facility is about 2 miles away from his office.

Oh, and lest you think that the other bad stuff the Trump Administration is doing has been preempted, well...

Walmart Was Almost Charged Criminally Over Opioids. Trump Appointees Killed the Indictment.

Even as company pharmacists protested, Walmart kept filling suspicious prescriptions, stoking the country’s opioid epidemic. A Republican U.S. Attorney in Texas thought the evidence was damning. Trump’s political appointees? Not so much.
Anyone that greases his palm I suspect.
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Old 25th March 2020, 11:02 PM   #1686
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
>snip<

Trump's lawyers are going after an ad that just plays relevant soundbites of his. On what basis?

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Their specific objection is to the inclusion of Trump saying “this is their new hoax.” The lawyer’s argument is that though Trump said “hoax,” Trump meant “politicization,” and that since Trump meant a totally different word than the one he used, that we’re not allowed to quote him.
Mmm. Honestly, if the complain was actually valid, I'd support it, albeit with a heavy reminder that they should be more concerned about the log in their eye than the speck of dust in the other person's eye
What a pile of crap. Trump said 'hoax' and he meant 'hoax'.
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Old 26th March 2020, 02:05 AM   #1687
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Originally Posted by Mader Levap View Post
Whine whine whine. Some Fuhrer he is. Was Hitler that whiny too? We will never know, since Twitter didn't yet exist in 1932.
Actually he was.
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Old 26th March 2020, 02:19 AM   #1688
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
What a pile of crap. Trump said 'hoax' and he meant 'hoax'.
To be fair, trump just says stuff and half the time it doesn't even make sense.

"Mr. President, do you think calling it the 'China-Virus' may cause a stigma"
"No, I think China saying it was us who caused the virus causes a stigma"


It should get him into more trouble than it does, but no one can really keep up with the sheer volume of his bull ****
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Old 26th March 2020, 03:01 AM   #1689
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
I don’t understand your reasoning. Why should the markets have immediately gone down? They knew he was inept, but an inept president doesn’t necessarily mean the market should go down. The stock market rewards short-term thinking and President Trump does nothing but that.
The stock market actually rewards long-term thinking, but it attracts a huge amount of people (both professional and amateur, smart and dumb as rocks) who think they can beat it on the short term.
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Old 26th March 2020, 05:08 AM   #1690
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What a pile of crap. Trump said 'hoax' and he meant 'hoax'.

Ever notice how the same people who say they voted for Trump because he says what he means, have spent the last 3 years explaining that he didn't mean what he said?
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Old 26th March 2020, 05:16 AM   #1691
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It would work out a LOT better if one of the people he killed on Fifth Avenue was himself. He could definitely get away with that.


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Old 26th March 2020, 06:54 AM   #1692
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I always wonder about Trump. What's he really think? He talks about going by his "gut." What would his gut be telling him now?

That being president is working out the same way as the football league, the airline, the casinos? Good start, many people praising him, everything seems great and then...everything goes down the tubes. Isn't that the story of his life? Wouldn't his gut being telling him that? That's what my gut is telling me.
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Old 26th March 2020, 07:14 AM   #1693
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Originally Posted by AnonyMoose View Post
Ever notice how the same people who say they voted for Trump because he says what he means, have spent the last 3 years explaining that he didn't mean what he said?
Either he was "taken out of context" or he was "joking" or I've even heard "we all know he lies so why even take him serious"......all from his supporters, including the last one about lies.
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Old 26th March 2020, 07:16 AM   #1694
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Ever notice how the same people who say they voted for Trump because he says what he means, have spent the last 3 years explaining that he didn't mean what he said?
Never had a long discussion with a religious person have you?

Everything their God says is an immutable fact except the stuff that obviously isn't because that has to be "interpreted" and which things are which can and will change constantly with no rhyme and reason.
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Old 26th March 2020, 07:22 AM   #1695
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Trump campaign attempting to suppress this negative ad about his Covid-19 response. They have issued a cease and desist order, which I can't imagine being successful.

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/...74655293435907
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Old 26th March 2020, 07:27 AM   #1696
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I've been engaged in a FB discussion this week with an acquaintance from grade school who has assured me no one could be handling this crisis any better than Donald Trump has, and that he's made good on every promise on which he campaigned.
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Old 26th March 2020, 07:28 AM   #1697
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
President Trump is as popular as he's ever been right now



CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/25/polit...ing/index.html
You guys are on your own.
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Old 26th March 2020, 07:36 AM   #1698
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Originally Posted by The Shrike View Post
I've been engaged in a FB discussion this week with an acquaintance from grade school who has assured me no one could be handling this crisis any better than Donald Trump has, and that he's made good on every promise on which he campaigned.
That's the kind of nonsense grade-schoolers would think is true.
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Old 26th March 2020, 07:41 AM   #1699
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I've been engaged in a FB discussion this week with an acquaintance from grade school who has assured me no one could be handling this crisis any better than Donald Trump has, and that he's made good on every promise on which he campaigned.
Did you ask him why we’re paying for the “wall” instead of Mexico?

Or why Trump has spent nearly a third of his presidency golfing, at his own properties at our expense? After saying he’d be “too busy” to golf?

Or why North Korea has acquired a robust nuclear launch capability on his watch?

Or… Oh, never mind. Just tell him he’s an idiot and be done with it.
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Old 26th March 2020, 07:43 AM   #1700
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Trump campaign attempting to suppress this negative ad about his Covid-19 response. They have issued a cease and desist order, which I can't imagine being successful.

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/...74655293435907
They won't win, but do you think their claim is correct?
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They won't win, but do you think their claim is correct?
What claim?
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What claim?
The ad is incorrectly implying that his use of the word hoax applies to the virus when multiple, legitimate fact checkers said it clearly referred to democrat accusations.
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The ad is incorrectly implying that his use of the word hoax applies to the virus when multiple, legitimate fact checkers said it clearly referred to democrat accusations.
The democrat accusation that the virus is not a hoax?

Anyway, the claim is definitely beyond legal recourse, since it is not unreasonable to get the message from what Trump has said that the danger of the virus is a hoax: he has repeatedly claimed that it is no danger and that he has everything under control.

But by all means, let's have some Discovery!
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Old 26th March 2020, 08:22 AM   #1704
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The democrat accusation that the virus is not a hoax?
From snopes

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During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.

What's False
Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.
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Did you ask him why we’re paying for the “wall” instead of Mexico?
They are, indirectly. "He never said they would write a check." (actually, he did say they would write a check)

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Or why Trump has spent nearly a third of his presidency golfing, at his own properties at our expense? After saying he’d be “too busy” to golf?
Fake news. He hasn't actually golfed as much as Obama. And when he is golfing, he is actually working so it doesn't count.

(I'm not making this up, these are apologetics I have heard)


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Or… Oh, never mind. Just tell him he’s an idiot and be done with it.
Trumpets have a very different reality. How do you communicate with people who insist that white christian men are the most discriminated against group in the US? (and they said it at a time when the administration was trying to ban muslims from entering the US)

Also ask: Hillary Clinton - locked up yet? Shoot, even AG Barr said there's nothing there.

Healthcare: everyone covered, and it's cheap?

Who knew it could be so complicated, right?
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Old 26th March 2020, 08:44 AM   #1706
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From snopes
It's rather clear that Trump believes the Coronavirus is a real thing. It's also rather clear that Trump's critics recognize that Trump believes it can infect people and make them ill. The "hoax" is that the Coronavirus is a meaningful threat.

If it only killed two people outside of China, and made a dozen Americans mildly ill, then Trump's claim that it's a "hoax" would be vindicated. As it stands, he was mistaken.
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Old 26th March 2020, 08:51 AM   #1707
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It's rather clear that Trump believes the Coronavirus is a real thing. It's also rather clear that Trump's critics recognize that Trump believes it can infect people and make them ill. The "hoax" is that the Coronavirus is a meaningful threat.

If it only killed two people outside of China, and made a dozen Americans mildly ill, then Trump's claim that it's a "hoax" would be vindicated. As it stands, he was mistaken.
Snopes, and multiple fact checkers disagree with your claim here

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Snopes, and multiple fact checkers disagree with your claim here
And yet: "During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu."

Instead of just invoking fact-checkers try to, you know, bring actual evidence to bear. If you can. Here are Trump's remarks:

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One of my people came up to me and said, ‘Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia. That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything, they tried it over and over, they’ve been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning, they lost, it’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax. But you know, we did something that’s been pretty amazing. We’re 15 people [cases of coronavirus infection] in this massive country. And because of the fact that we went early, we went early, we could have had a lot more than that.
Let's take for example the "impeachment hoax." It wasn't a hoax; it actually happened. Democrats didn't merely threaten to impeach him -- they DID impeach him. If pressed, Trump would have to acknowledge that, yes, he was impeached. What he's saying is that the impeachment was based on non-credible grounds. Now that we have our stupid-to-English translators out, it's perfectly reasonable to infer that Trump here means that the Coronavirus is all blown out of proportion -- just like the "perfect" phone call was blown all out of proportion. He later says the press is in "hysteria mode," but Coronavirus nothing to worry about because he has it under control and is doing such a good job.

Separately worth noting: All of this occurred well before Coronavirus mutated into the Chinese virus.
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Old 26th March 2020, 09:15 AM   #1709
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From Snopes:

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During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.

What's False
Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.


So it's a mixture. He called it the Democrats' new hoax to downplay the severity of it and thus, justify his pathetic "response" to it.
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Old 26th March 2020, 09:22 AM   #1711
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And yet: "During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu."

Instead of just invoking fact-checkers try to, you know, bring actual evidence to bear. If you can. Here are Trump's remarks:



Let's take for example the "impeachment hoax." It wasn't a hoax; it actually happened. Democrats didn't merely threaten to impeach him -- they DID impeach him. If pressed, Trump would have to acknowledge that, yes, he was impeached. What he's saying is that the impeachment was based on non-credible grounds. Now that we have our stupid-to-English translators out, it's perfectly reasonable to infer that Trump here means that the Coronavirus is all blown out of proportion -- just like the "perfect" phone call was blown all out of proportion. He later says the press is in "hysteria mode," but Coronavirus nothing to worry about because he has it under control and is doing such a good job.

Separately worth noting: All of this occurred well before Coronavirus mutated into the Chinese virus.
Is the ad implying that the quote reflects a general downplaying as you argued, or is the ad implying that he called the existence of the virus a hoax?

I don't disagree with your argument about what he said and implied. But the question is what does the ad say about what he said.
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Old 26th March 2020, 09:26 AM   #1712
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From snopes
The main real issue is that Trump was, and generally still is (though less so now), downplaying things immensely all around, in part to justify why he's taken very little actually decisive action, especially during the time when COVID-19's spread likely could have been contained (or technically, had its spread immensely restricted) in the US. The "hoax" comment is just one part out of many when it comes to that and fits perfectly well in that context. No need to claim that he said that COVID-19 was a hoax - he didn't, after all, and that ad didn't claim that he did.

To quote the originators -

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Trump refused to take the threat of the coronavirus seriously, now he won’t take responsibility as his administration has been totally unprepared for this crisis.
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Old 26th March 2020, 09:32 AM   #1713
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The main real issue is that Trump was, and generally still is (though less so now), downplaying things immensely all around, in part to justify why he's taken very little actually decisive action, especially during the time when COVID-19's spread likely could have been contained in the US.
That is the main issue about life in general, but the issue presented by the cease and desist letter is narrow.
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Trump campaign attempting to suppress this negative ad about his Covid-19 response. They have issued a cease and desist order, which I can't imagine being successful.

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/...74655293435907
Cease and desist orders, according to my sister who ia practicing attorney, are something of a joke in the legal profession. Just sending one has no real force of law;you have to get a court order. And judges are notoriously skeptical to give such an order.
This one is particualry usless;would be thrown out of court immedietely as a clear violation of the First Amendment.
BTW all through his career Trump has used cease and desists and threats of legal action to bully people.
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Old 26th March 2020, 09:42 AM   #1715
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That is the main issue about life in general, but the issue presented by the cease and desist letter is narrow.
Narrow, yes, and misses the mark. It's little more than the usual nonsensical BS that Trump and his lawyers make up to try to kill things that Trump thinks are not good for him.
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I think Trump's gut feeling is that his current standing inthe polls will vanish the longer the crisis lasts, and he is scared it might be beyond his control.
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Old 26th March 2020, 09:45 AM   #1717
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Narrow, yes, and misses the mark. It's little more than the usual nonsensical BS that Trump and his lawyers make up to try to kill things that Trump thinks are not good for him.
Which is why I asked a narrow question. I didn't ask the obvious how much the themes with the piece fits into Trump's oeuvre.
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Old 26th March 2020, 09:48 AM   #1718
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The ad is incorrectly implying that his use of the word hoax applies to the virus when multiple, legitimate fact checkers said it clearly referred to democrat accusations.
The accusations are registered with a political party?

I did not realize that was possible.
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Old 26th March 2020, 09:50 AM   #1719
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The accusations are registered with a political party?

I did not realize that was possible.
Of course not. However wrong Trump's accusation was, it is separate from the question if the ad misrepresented it.
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Of course not. However wrong Trump's accusation was, it is separate from the question if the ad misrepresented it.
In news somewhat relevant to the validity of what the ad actually implied...

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Here’s one of the worst sentences I have read even during this terrible time for our nation: “At the Department of Veterans Affairs, workers are scrambling to order medical supplies on Amazon after its leaders, lacking experience in disaster responses, failed to prepare for the onslaught of patients at its medical centers.”

They were unprepared for a pandemic even with months of warnings, so they’re trying to shop on Amazon, which is swamped with orders and notoriously running low on key supplies for the pandemic. And it’s the Department of Veterans Affairs, which runs its own major health care system. That right there tells you so much of what you need to know about this administration when it comes to basic competence and preparedness.
Incidentally, that's referring to the Times article found here.
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