Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

A Chinese official accused “anti-China forces” in the West of using Christianity to subvert the country’s political power and said worshippers must follow a Chinese form of religion.

China’s officially atheist government, which oversees religious groups through state-sponsored institutions, has tightened its grip on all faiths in recent years.
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Avid readers of this thread know that the atheist leadership is “at war with faith”, persecuting Muslim Uighurs, Tibetan Buddhists, Christians and Falungong practitioners.

This is not receding but expanding since this important thread was started.

We should all be alarmed.
 
The Big Dog said:
The US Fires back at the Unyielding Marxist Atheists' egregious human rights abuses in China:
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Adrian Zenz, an independent researcher who focuses on China’s ethnic policy, says China is interning ethnic minorities, separating families and sending children to state-run orphanages to maintain ideological control over them.

“All-in-all the Chinese State’s present attempt to eradicate independent and free expressions of distinct ethnic and religious identities in Xinjiang is nothing less than a systematic campaign of cultural genocide and should be treated as such,” said Zenz.
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Cultural and religious Genocide
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Ah, lucky that the current US administration was forced to back down from separating families, and that the president's suggestion to forbid muslims to enter the country was stopped by courts. Otherwise we would be having a bad case of whataboutism.

Hans :p
 
8enotto said:
Oh no! What is The Big Dog foundation for human rights in China going to DO to end this?

Besides post crap here?
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Well, if I should suggest something: Since they can do absolutely nothing to influence China, they might try to put some pressure on their own government to do something. The US government just might be able to apply some pressure on China.

Hans
 
The Big Dog said:
Really important piece about how the firm and unyielding Marxist atheists are using their clout to silence critics



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/world/asia/china-kazakh-activist-camps-xinjiang-muslims.html

Everyone, especially atheists should be alarmed at what China is doing.
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Uhm, I think we are all alarmed at human rights abuses, but why exactly should atheists be particularly alarmed? ... Because we are true humanists and not hypocrites perhaps?

Hans
 
The Big Dog said:
Excuse me but Stalin, Mao and Xi DID commit atrocities in the name of atheism. I have expertly covered this in this thread.

UNYIELDING.
MARXIST.
ATHEISTS.

deal with it
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Ah, yes. I suppose, having studied China and having visited the country many times during more than ten years, I'll have to yield to your "expertise of endless repetition".


Hans
 
Belz... said:
And why you're reading, folks, realise that this is exactly what TBD wants: poke and twist the discussion long enough that people will give up or attack him, and then claim victory to an imaginary audience.

Get help.
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Yes, that's the overt, immediate goal but the ultimate goal is to do his best to continue to hype up fear of some generally oppressed group in order to justify further violence and terror against them.




MRC_Hans said:
Uhm, I think we are all alarmed at human rights abuses, but why exactly should atheists be particularly alarmed? ... Because we are true humanists and not hypocrites perhaps?

Hans
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As I've pointed out above, this is why atheists should be particularly alarmed. Not because of what the Chinese government is doing or not doing, but simply trying to use whatever lever he thinks is available in order to smear his true targets: atheists and other minorities in the United States, just as has been done by his kind for the past sixty or more years.
 
8enotto said:
Oh no! What is The Big Dog foundation for human rights in China going to DO to end this?

Besides post crap here?
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This is what Big Dog's monstruous boss do:

2 NOVEMBER 2018, THE TABLET
Chinese Catholics ‘hopeful’ following Vatican deal with Beijing

This is the monstruous accord that the monstruous Catholic Church signed with monstruous Chinese atheist government. What a monstruous hoppes, Mr Big Dog!
 
The Big Dog said:
Avid readers of this thread know that the atheist leadership is “at war with faith”, persecuting Muslim Uighurs, Tibetan Buddhists, Christians and Falungong practitioners.

This is not receding but expanding since this important thread was started.

We should all be alarmed.
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The treatment of Tibet is awful, long term extinguishing of Tibetan culture and overwhelming the population with Han Chinese. This has been the precedent for the other areas with 'non-Chinese' cultures and peoples.
 
The Big Dog said:
Avid readers of this thread know that the atheist leadership is “at war with faith”, persecuting Muslim Uighurs, Tibetan Buddhists, Christians and Falungong practitioners.

This is not receding but expanding since this important thread was started.

We should all be alarmed.
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Nonsense.

Humanity has a long history of the dominant culture destroying the less powerful ones. E.g. the (Christian) colonial powers, irreversibly destroyed the Native American culture and that of the Australian Aborigine, and the Aztecs and Incas of Latin America and so many more. It’s not about atheism vs religion but about greed and domination.
 
Tassman said:
Nonsense.
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That's really the only word you need in a reply to pretty much anything TBD says. You're wasting your breath with the rest.

Tassman said:
Humanity has a long history of the dominant culture destroying the less powerful ones. E.g. the (Christian) colonial powers, irreversibly destroyed the Native American culture and that of the Australian Aborigine, and the Aztecs and Incas of Latin America and so many more. It’s not about atheism vs religion but about greed and domination.
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TBD will inevitably write "whataboutism", and then go back to his real purpose for starting this thread, which has nothing to do with helping oppressed minorities: it is actually about him winning a victory over atheists.
He basically admitted as much in his last post, which was yellow-carded and sent to AAH.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
That's really the only word you need in a reply to pretty much anything TBD says. You're wasting your breath with the rest.



TBD will inevitably write "whataboutism", and then go back to his real purpose for starting this thread, which has nothing to do with helping oppressed minorities: it is actually about him winning a victory over atheists.
He basically admitted as much in his last post, which was yellow-carded and sent to AAH.
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Yeah, apparently atheophobia is a real thing and is being expressed in nearly every post by the OP. It became apparent to me back in the day when TBD constantly conflated "anti-theist" with "a-theist" even after the conflation had been pointed out.

With this thread, he gets to point to a happenstance that the Chinese government is atheist only in order to demonize atheists everywhere such as in the United States where they, as a group, are a minority with no real power or influence in society. This is done only in order to suppress atheists and people who support secular and humanist values in the US and to justify potential use of force against those people.

Heck, force has been used against atheists in the US for decades already and only relatively recently have they been making any headway in social influence, hence the "need" for this thread.
 
Oh did this thread die? I was enjoying the samples & examples of trolling technique presented within.

Shame
 
Dancing David said:
It does appear that many groups attack the faithful and engage is repression, just not atheists
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Yeah there are many examples of theists killing large number of other theists because they were doing theism wrong.

Ah so the puppy jumped the fence and ran off huh? Oh well maybe we should move so when he comes back he won't find us again. lol
 
Thor 2 said:
Unfortunately the nutrient that kept it going - the prolific supply of dog droppings - has run out.
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Oh sorry I missed it.

Lets see was it death by a Mod that he tried to troll or was he just being his regular petulant self?
 
Hans said:
Oh sorry I missed it.

Lets see was it death by a Mod that he tried to troll or was he just being his regular petulant self?
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Basically the same martyr complex he always had. Couldn't fathom getting a scolding for ******** on the new carpet and finally gave up the ghost.
 
Hello from a Southerner. It is not the Catholics in the South you need to worry about but the fundamentalists or as I call them the Talibangelicals.

Right now residents are suing the state of MS for new license plate with "In God We Trust" on it, without offering a free alternative tag. How would these Christians like it if atheists or even progressive Christians made a tag with "In Planned Parenthood, Roe v Wade and access for poor women to abortion We Trust"?
Yeah, didn't think so.
 
MSBAYOU said:
Hello from a Southerner. It is not the Catholics in the South you need to worry about but the fundamentalists or as I call them the Talibangelicals.

Right now residents are suing the state of MS for new license plate with "In God We Trust" on it, without offering a free alternative tag. How would these Christians like it if atheists or even progressive Christians made a tag with "In Planned Parenthood, Roe v Wade and access for poor women to abortion We Trust"?
Yeah, didn't think so.
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You would need a big number plate.
 
“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”
--Steven Weinberg

Now, I don't actually believe this. But I do believe good people will do awful things in the name of a cause they believe in. Whether that be Jesus, Mohammed, Ganesh, Wotan, Communism, Capitalism, Democracy or Atheism.

But there is a huge difference between the first 4 and the last 4. A supernatural supposedly moral being is not giving horrible instructions.

Bombing churches is not a tenet of atheism. Its just some sick bastard. Because atheism isn't a world view. Its simply the disbelief of a single superstitious claim.

There is no book of atheism. No right or wrong way handed down from some phoney pastor or imam. No revelations that are

I've always been amused when Christians try and take the high ground on goodness and morality. Usually its because they haven't even read their "Good Book" which in fact is not good or moral. If you think is, you either haven't read it or you're one sick puppy.

Just some of the moral things the bible says
Killing one's wife if she's not a virgin on her wedding night.and depositing her corpse on her father's doorstep.
Stoning someone for working on the Sabbath.
Enslaving others.
Beating your slaves.
Killing witches
Killing homosexuals.
Having your unruly child stoned by the village.
Torturing someone for eternity because they are not gullible.

Here's my Easter message.

Favor

  • Evidence over epiphanies
  • Reason over revelations
  • Science over superstitions
  • Facts over Faith
  • Reality over Religion


Can I have an Amen?
 
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Wow this thread got really long and like many of TBDs threads got really boring so I skipped to the end. Then to find out he/she has shuffled off again.

One thing I was initially interested in however was the mention of the Atheist Bible. Was that issue ever sorted? Did I miss a meeting? After all, I need to make sure I'm following the holy scripture.
 
Lerxst said:
One thing I was initially interested in however was the mention of the Atheist Bible. Was that issue ever sorted? Did I miss a meeting? After all, I need to make sure I'm following the holy scripture.
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It's just the regular bible, with a sarcastic "Not!" penciled in at the end of every verse.
 
Lerxst said:
Wow this thread got really long and like many of TBDs threads got really boring so I skipped to the end. Then to find out he/she has shuffled off again.

One thing I was initially interested in however was the mention of the Atheist Bible. Was that issue ever sorted? Did I miss a meeting? After all, I need to make sure I'm following the holy scripture.
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I think he actually believed that the 'Atheist Bible', i.e. Das Kapital by Karl Marx, was all about atheism and burning down churches. Having read it a couple of times, I knew that he was as wrong as he could possibly be. (He had no idea what it is actually about. He has that in common with most of its critics.)
Since I have two versions of it on my Kindle (in German and English), I went through all references to Atheism, Christianity and churches and posted the relevant quotations:

dann said:
We established a very long time ago that you don't know what Marxism is, you don't know what Atheism is, and the so-called "Atheist Bible" says approximately the opposite of what you thought it said:
Post 239, Sep. 13, 2018.
Post 280, Sep. 13, 2018.
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I won't say that I managed to set him straight on Das Kapital, but I think that he was surprised to find out that it is not about Christianity at all. After all, it's a book about (capitalist) economy, not about religion. Marx had finished criticizing religion more than 20 years before he wrote the first volume of Das Kapital, in the introduction to A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right, Dec. 1843/Jan. 1844.
 
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