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Old 29th June 2020, 04:56 AM   #3521
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The fact that the outburst started when this area just emerged from shadow suggests that thermal stresses in the surface material may have triggered a landslide that exposed fresh water ice to direct solar illumination. The ice then immediately turned to gas, dragging surrounding dust with it to produce the debris cloud seen by OSIRIS.
These dry rocky like landslides of a consolidated Rocky type material???

Like I said
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Old 29th June 2020, 04:58 AM   #3522
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Old 29th June 2020, 05:22 AM   #3523
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Oh!

Sorry thought you were some sort of expert...

My bad.

Feel free to just fill them in on Birkeland Currents then (field aligned currents, FAC's)

Better to play it safe, ay!
If you want to play with the experts, then you need to use correct terminology, and not just juxtapose a potluck of terms that sound interesting.
So yes, you should blush from shame.
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Old 29th June 2020, 07:20 AM   #3524
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
These dry rocky like landslides of a consolidated Rocky type material???

Like I said
What are you lying about now? No rock ever seen at a comet, and where is the discharge? Stop making **** up, yes?
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Old 29th June 2020, 07:22 AM   #3525
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Dude, keep looking for your massive lightning bolts.


Tell us when you find ‘em...
No, your idiotic woo calls for discharges to the nucleus and EDM (lol). Where are they? Stop running away like a scared little girl, and answer the question.
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Old 29th June 2020, 07:27 AM   #3526
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Well, if you say so.

I kinda find you funny, in the head.

Can’t blame your indoctrination...

Must seem like majik for ignoramus’s
So you don't know the difference? Dear oh dear! And you think you can post on plasma physics whilst making such an horrendous error? Totally pathetic. And laughable. Give it up, and look for something that you might be able to understand. Try knitting, or stamp collecting, for instance.
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Old 29th June 2020, 08:05 AM   #3527
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("the solar plasma" ends at ~the photosphere????

Really??

Physics of the corona

Well, jean tate best you amend the wiki entry then...

Maybe you should stop the running and try little baby steps first?

Otherwise, I fear all is lost on your ignorance.
My bad.

So, taking this one piece at a time ... (a.k.a. little baby steps).

“Comets are objects in the solar plasma”

As you understand it, and per WP, “the solar plasma” includes the corona.

But very few comets have been observed closer to the Sun than the outer edge of the corona, have they? Certainly not 67P, right?
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Old 29th June 2020, 01:29 PM   #3528
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Exclamation Lies about solar plasma with a link on the corona and irrelevant highlighting.

Lies about solar plasma with a link on the corona and irrelevant highlighting.

The Sun is made of plasma. Thus "solar plasma" = the Sun, not the solar wind.
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Old 29th June 2020, 01:30 PM   #3529
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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
If you want to play with the experts, then you need to use correct terminology, and not just juxtapose a potluck of terms that sound interesting.
So yes, you should blush from shame.

Non linear equations, very scary for mathamagicians....

Force free field aligned currents. Double layers....


Scary stuff.

Still, looking forward to your post, tusenfem.

You should just stick to ideal plasmas if it make you feel safe.
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Exclamation Lies that a cometary outburst is his cult's delusion of electric discharges (plural)

Lies that a cometary outburst is his cult's delusion of electric discharges (plural)
His cult have an delusion that comet jets are electric discharges. A delusion because their fantasy violates what discharges do...

Rosetta captures comet outburst is about a single outburst that is not a jet. That outburst was traced to its probable source
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A steep slope that emerged from shadows into sunlight gives the possibility of a landslide exposing fresh water ice.

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Old 29th June 2020, 01:43 PM   #3531
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Thanks.


My bad.

So, taking this one piece at a time ... (a.k.a. little baby steps).

“Comets are objects in the solar plasma”

As you understand it, and per WP, “the solar plasma” includes the corona.

But very few comets have been observed closer to the Sun than the outer edge of the corona, have they? Certainly not 67P, right?

Baby steps champ, baby steps...

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How does the corona cause solar winds?

The corona extends far out into space. From it comes the solar wind that travels through our solar system. The corona's temperature causes its particles to move at very high speeds. These speeds are so high that the particles can escape the Sun's gravity.
https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/sun-corona/en/

Where does the corona end?

Not that I’m real happy to use the word corona nowadays...
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Exclamation Parrots his cult's obsession and lies about Birkeland currents

Parrots his cult's obsession and lies about Birkeland currents.

His cult has the ignorant fantasy that Birkeland currents appear everywhere that they imagine. They fantasize that filamentary structures in cosmic plasmas are Birkeland currents. In the real world, we know that Birkeland currents can exist when a plasma passes a planetary magnetic field (maybe with an ionosphere required?). We know that we have only detected them around Earth. We know that we had to put a spacecraft inside them to detect them.

It is a lie that there are Birkeland currents at comets because comets do not have any magnetic field and he knows that.

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Old 29th June 2020, 01:55 PM   #3533
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Baby steps champ, baby steps...

https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/sun-corona/en/

Where does the corona end?

Not that I’m real happy to use the word corona nowadays...
It's your party Sol88, so you can cry if you want to!

What, to you, is "the solar plasma"*?

*"Comets are rocky objects discharging in the solar plasma."
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Usual lies about posts and posters.
JeanTate stated the textbook fact that the body of the Sun is plasma thus solar plasma.
jonesdave116's highly conductive medium is the fact that the solar wind and interplanetary medium exist and that electric discharges are impossible in any highly conductive medium.
tusenfem the expert wrote basic electromagnetism: I doubt it, because there is no such thing as a "force free current" (field aligned or other). We have known for 150 years that moving charges produce an magnetic field and thus forces (Maxwell's equations).
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"Can’t blame your indoctrination" idiocy when this is his cult's physics !

We have been stating the textbook electromagnetism and plasma physics that make his electric comet and Sun into ignorant, debunked and dead dogma.
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Massive "Dude, keep looking for your massive lightning bolts." lie when this is his cult's delusion of massive lightning bolts. It is even basically in the name of his cult - Thunderbolts!

His cult have an delusion that comet jets are electric discharges. A delusion because their fantasy violates what discharges do...
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jonesdave116 wrote And more crap. Give up you poser. WHERE IS THE DISCHARGE?
Sol88 lied that an electric discharge has been detected at a comet when Rosetta captures comet outburst is about an outburst of gas and dust.
Sol88 lied abut his cult's debunked and dead dogma: His cult have an delusion that comet jets are electric discharges. A delusion because their fantasy violates what discharges do.... He cited a cometary outburst of gas and dust.

His dogma is also debunked by the fact that we have detected at least 1 outburst from a comet where his dogma says they cannot happen. From memory, an outburst from a comet outside of the orbit of Jupiter. We can explain it, e.g. an impact exposing water or CO2 ice.
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"What a cracker!" idiocy denying textbook physics and even what he should know !

People generally know what an avalanche is and that they tend to happen when the Sun heats up a steep slope of snow. A similar process is reasonable, physical and logical on comets. The loosely packed ice and dust on a steep slope may avalanche when the nucleus rotates to expose it to the Sun's heat.
What is worse is that for the past weeks he has been citing and lying about a mainstream ice and dust comet paper about landslides on 67P. Now he denies that he knows that 67P has landslides! Those landslides will expose fresh ice. Textbook physics says that ice will sublimate and there will be an outburst of gas and dust.
Rosetta captures comet outburst is an outburst of gas and dust that was traced back to a steep slope of ice and dust. The outburst of gas and dust happened as the slope came out of shadows to be heated by the Sun.

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"These dry rocky like landslides of a consolidated Rocky type material???" gibberish that debunks his cult's debunked and dead dogma yet again.

He cited a mainstream ice and dust comet paper that explicitly stated 67P has ice (volatiles): The Rocky-Like Behavior of Cometary Landslides on 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
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"Non linear equations, very scary for mathamagicians" lie and idiocy.

There are no non linear equations in tusenfem's post.
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If you want to play with the experts, then you need to use correct terminology, and not just juxtapose a potluck of terms that sound interesting.
So yes, you should blush from shame.
This is obviously about using the correct terminology.

Non linear equations are textbook mathematics taught to undergraduate math and physics students, usually in their third year. They are not the idiocy of "scary".

Sol88 is parroting his cult's abysmal fear of mathematics and even physics. A reason that all they have is ignorant fantasies is that they are so scared of math and physics that they will not apply them to their fantasies. How massive is the solar electric field that they need to tear apart rock? They do not know! What stops the Sun from collapsing to a white dwarf? They do not know!
There is the Thunderbolts mathamagician Don Scott who would be appalled at being so insulted by Sol88. Scott is obviously incompetent at physics (he is a retired electrical engineer) because he does not know the first year astronomy that stars need an internal heat source to be stable. But he is the only one of the cult prophets trying to do math and physics.
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Persists in his ignorant "Double layers" fantasy and that they are "scary".

Double layers are textbook, non-scary plasma physics. Sol88 and his Thunderbolts cult are certainly scared of math and physics. Physicists are not.

tusenfem is a plasma physicist researching comets and said double layers are impossible at comets due to turbulence of the coma. There is no published scientific literature on DLs in comet coma. This is something anyone who knows about the word layer will expect ! DLs will need stable conditions in order for layers of separated charge to form. Coma are electromagnetically turbulent. Random magnetic and electric fields will screw up charge separation into layers and make DLs impossible.

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"Not that I’m real happy to use the word corona nowadays." idiocy

Science uses standard terminology. For example, it would be idiotic to write solar "cheese" instead of solar corona! Sol88 and his cult cannot make up a fantasy name and expect it to be used.
Corona (Latin for crown) is an appropriate name for the Sun's 'crown' of hot plasma.
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Non linear equations, very scary for mathamagicians....

Force free field aligned currents. Double layers....


Scary stuff.

Still, looking forward to your post, tusenfem.

You should just stick to ideal plasmas if it make you feel safe.
And there you go again! Sheer idiocy. Force-free, field-aligned makes no sense. It is gibberish. I'll quote a plasma physicist on the matter;

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"force-free plasmas are field aligned" which physically makes no sense at all.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...t#post12200259

This is what happens when you regurgitate meaningless drivel from people who don't know what they are talking about. There is a reason that Scott wasn't a plasma physicist - he doesn't understand plasma physics. And neither do you. As proven.
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Usual lies about posts and posters.
JeanTate stated the textbook fact that the body of the Sun is plasma thus solar plasma.
jonesdave116's highly conductive medium is the fact that the solar wind and interplanetary medium exist and that electric discharges are impossible in any highly conductive medium.
tusenfem the expert wrote basic electromagnetism: I doubt it, because there is no such thing as a "force free current" (field aligned or other). We have known for 150 years that moving charges produce an magnetic field and thus forces (Maxwell's equations).
Whoo boy!
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Whoo boy!
Any chance of answering questions instead of making idiotic comments?
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Whoo boy!
What is the magnetic Reynolds number for the solar wind? Is it < 1? > 1? Or, perhaps, >> 1? And why would it matter to the conductivity? Basic plasma physics. So, you shouldn't have any problem answering. Assuming you understand basic plasma physics. A highly unlikely assumption, I know, but......carry on.
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Idiotic "Whoo boy!" and highlighting a debunking of his cult's debunked and dead dogma.
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Usual lies about posts and posters.
JeanTate stated the textbook fact that the body of the Sun is plasma thus solar plasma.
jonesdave116's highly conductive medium is the fact that the solar wind and interplanetary medium exist and that electric discharges are impossible in any highly conductive medium.
tusenfem the expert wrote basic electromagnetism: I doubt it, because there is no such thing as a "force free current" (field aligned or other). We have known for 150 years that moving charges produce an magnetic field and thus forces (Maxwell's equations).
Also see Those electric discharges in his [debunked for decades] dogma are scientifically impossible. or the beginning of this thread 11 years ago !

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The thousands of lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
The abysmal insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn and all astronomers by Sol88 linking them with Sol88's dogma, etc. (no astronomer believes comets are actual rock)
263 items of lies, insults, etc. from Sol88 since ~10 March 2020

P.S. The other very debunked cult dogma of an electric sun (SAFIRE) has not been mentioned in a while.
  1. "I’m agreeing with you, jonesdave116" lies.
  2. Persists with his "absolutely, totally agree" lying about posts, posters and science, and trolling.
  3. Persists with lies and insults about posts and posters ("Reality Check Doubles down and reinforces jonesdave116's ignorance").
  4. More trolling with his lie of "Again, I agree and you are correct, reality check! Impossible to get an electric discharge in a highly conductive medium..." where He is agreeing that his debunked dogma is scientific woo.
  5. A lying "Just a highly or a perfectly conducting medium, jonesdave116?" question when jonesdave116 stated a highly conducting medium.
  6. "In our dogma" truth! followed by usual lies, insults and trolling.
  7. Trolls with a lying "What’s your definition of electricity, LS?" question.
  8. A "I agree, no electric discharges in jonesdave116’s highly conductive medium." lie.
  9. More "Can’t happen in a highly conductive medium." etc. lies when he still blindly believes in his debunked cult dogma which requires what he writes is impossible.
  10. Lying "Not possible?" question
  11. A lying "Care to elaborate? Sounds like a big call" question when he was told this at the start of this thread 11 years ago.
  12. Repeats his "I agree" lie when he is agreeing that his debunked dogma is scientific woo.
  13. A lying "Any acceleration Of the solar plasma flow taking place" question and insults Lukraak_Sisser.
  14. A "if the plasma is assumed to be a perfect conductor" lie when this not done
  15. "Almost like it’s easier for the maths to assume your presumptions" lies to empathize his cult's debunked and dead dogma.
  16. Duplicated "Jonesdave116 is correct." lie when Sol88 still believes in his cult's debunked and dead dogma of the physically impossible electric discharges that jonesdave116 wrote make that dogma scientific woo.
  17. Emphasizes his "Jonesdave116 is correct." lie with "Comets are rocky objects discharging in the solar plasma." even with a .
  18. A lying "Can an electric current flow thru this highly conductive medium jonesdave116?" question.
  19. "comet rock" lies when no rock has been detected at comets and their measured density, composition and porosity says they are not rock.
  20. A lying "Why no discharging in a highly conductive medium, Jonesdave116?" question to derail from his cult's debunked and dead dogma.
  21. A "not in the voids between the pebbles, this is where the ice and dust are..." lie when the "pebbles" will be made of ice and dust because that is the measured composition of comets.
  22. Lies about solar plasma with a link on the corona and irrelevant highlighting.
  23. Lies that a cometary outburst is his cult's delusion of electric discharges (plural)
  24. Parrots his cult's obsession and lies about Birkeland currents.
  25. Usual lies about posts and posters.
  26. "Can’t blame your indoctrination" idiocy when this is his cult's physics !
  27. Massive "Dude, keep looking for your massive lightning bolts." lie when this is his cult's delusion of massive lightning bolts.
  28. Usual lies about posts and posters ("I fear you have no hope...").
  29. "What a cracker!" idiocy denying textbook physics and even what he should know !
  30. "These dry rocky like landslides of a consolidated Rocky type material???" gibberish that debunks his cult's debunked and dead dogma yet again
  31. "Non linear equations, very scary for mathamagicians" lie and idiocy.
  32. Persists in his ignorant "Double layers" fantasy and that they are "scary".
  33. Not that I’m real happy to use the word corona nowadays." idiocy
  34. Idiotic "Whoo boy!" and highlighting a debunking of his cult's debunked and dead dogma.
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Old 29th June 2020, 11:44 PM   #3549
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Non linear equations, very scary for mathamagicians....

Force free field aligned currents. Double layers....
Yes, mucho scary.
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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
Yes, mucho scary.

Plasma non linear behaviour is not real helpful for your mathamagics, is it!

So generalised assumptions will do.


Much like the beloved 1/R2.

Not reality is it but does make the math easier...

And as we all know maths is gospel in the religion of the big bangers.
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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
Yes, mucho scary.
Don’t be scared, embrace the challenge.




Still, if jd116 says no can happen in “highly conductive medium” it must be true.

Meantime, I see hostility towards D.Scott’s paper has trumped the ignorance of the mainstream.
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Don’t be scared, embrace the challenge.




Still, if jd116 says no can happen in “highly conductive medium” it must be true.

Meantime, I see hostility towards D.Scott’s paper has trumped the ignorance of the mainstream.
Scott's 'paper' is a ludicrous piece of garbage. Like I said - there is a reason he isn't a plasma physicist.
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Plasma non linear behaviour is not real helpful for your mathamagics, is it!

So generalised assumptions will do.


Much like the beloved 1/R2.

Not reality is it but does make the math easier...

And as we all know maths is gospel in the religion of the big bangers.
Aaaaannnnnd another dogma filled, science-free, idiotic comment. Got any science? Thought not.
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Still, if jd116 says no can happen in “highly conductive medium” it must be true.
Hey, woo boy? All you have to do is get the mag data and show us these discharges. How difficult can it be? So, unless and until you can do that, I would suggest shutting the hell up, because you haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Yes?
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These dry rocky like landslides of a consolidated Rocky type material???

Like I said
You mean the landslides that leave behind icy debris? And freshly exposed ice on the cliff face? Those ones? Perhaps you could tell us what sort of terrestrial rock mimics that. I won't hold my breath.
And perhaps you could also explain what the strength of that rock must be for it to collapse in the first place, given the minuscule gravity of 67P? I'm sure there will be a formula somewhere that you will not be able to understand, that can be used to calculate this.
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Let's talk about sex discharges baby

Merriam-Webster:
Discharge (Verb)
dis·charge | \ dis-ˈchärj , ˈdis-ˌchärj \
discharged; discharging; discharges
Definition of discharge (Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb
1.c. electrical engineering : to release electrical energy from (something, such as a battery or capacitor) by a discharge (see DISCHARGE entry 2 sense 9b) // discharging electricity from a battery
9.a. physics : the equalization of a difference of electric potential (see POTENTIAL entry 2 sense 2c) between two points
9.b. energy engineering : the conversion of the chemical energy of a battery into electrical energy

Technically, an object loosing charge is discharging, just as a battery is discharging when we put it into a flashlight and switch it on. After a certain time the charge difference between the + and – of the battery will be gone, and the battery is fully discharged. Often this kind of discharging is necessary, for example if you look at people working in electronics, you will often see that they are wearing a bracelet with a cable connected to a ground. This bracelet, in order not to damage the sensitive electronics by an uncontrolled discharge spark, will syphon off any static electrical charge that the person has built up. This all happens with a flow of charge, electrons in this case, and a net current given by the number of electrons that pass through a certain surface per second. One Ampère is one Coulomb per second, and one Coulomb is equal to around 6E18 electrons.

Now discharging does not need to be nice and gradual, like in the two examples above. Everybody has experience with “sudden” or “explosive” discharging. When the weather is nice and dry (i.e. very little humidity) then it is easy to get an electrostatic charge on your body. Touch someone (or something connected to ground) and a spark will jump over from your body to the other person, leaving you both “shocked” and with a painful reminder that electricity is a real thing.

Now, what is causing this painful spark? As we all know, air is, luckily, a very bad conductor as there are only very few charged particles (otherwise life would be living hell with all the above Earth electricity lines). This leads to the fair weather electric field, which reaches up to 100 V/m at the surface of the Earth. Usually there is a picoAmpère per square meter (pico = 1E-12) current flowing in the atmosphere, because of the low number of atmospheric ions in the air.

However, if differently charged objects come close together, then the electric field between them becomes very large (proportional to the charge and inversely proportional to the distance). When the field gets too large then something happens to the non-conducting material between the two bodies, it has an electrical or dielectric breakdown. The outer electrons of the insulating material are ripped out of their shell, because of the intense electric field, and suddenly the insulator becomes highly conductive. This leads to an explosive release of the excess charge from one object to the other (your and your best friend’s lips as an example). After the spark, the insulator returns to normality. To give an example, the dielectric strength of air is about 3 MV/m.

The most prominent of discharges are, of course, lightning bolts (from Thor or Zeus if you like), where thunder clouds get charged so much that they can break the insulating air over kilometers and then discharge with currents of tens of kiloAmpères, with a maxima up to over 100 kA.
These sparks or explosive discharges are painful, magnificent, and highly dependent on the presence of an insulator between the two differently charged objects.

But what now if there is no insulator between the two objects, but a well conducting material? Let’s take two metal balls connected by a metal wire. One ball we connect to a Vandergraaf generator and start to charge is. Naturally, the charge will also flow to the other ball, through the wire, and both balls will, in the end, have the same charge.
However, let us turn to the topic that is dealt with in this thread. What happens when we put an object in a plasma? The first step is easy; we put an extra charge in a warm neutral plasma. I will not go through the math, because it is basic, the positive and negative charges of the plasma re-arrange themselves in such a way that the electric influence of the extra charge is shielded off, and you get the well know Debye length/sphere:

[img]http://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?
\lambda_D = \sqrt{ \frac{\epsilon_0 k T}{n e^2} }
[/img]

So far, so good. But when a “foreign” body is entered into the plasma, things become more complicated. Let us take a dust particle in a warm, quasi-neutral, space plasma. The dust particle will be experiencing various interactions that will charge it. To take a nice sketch from my colleague Christoph, we can see what happens: 1) The solar radiation will ionize the surface of the dust particle; 2) the plasma electrons and ions will also interact with the dust particle. Thus, in the end the particle gets charged. To quote:

Originally Posted by Christoph
Dust in space gets immediatley charged by means of charging currents that are present in space plasmas. Different charging currents exists, the most important ones are due to the photoelectric effect and electron as well as ion currents. In dense plasmas, e.g. in the vicinity of cometary tails, the charging process is dominated by electron and ion collection, and dust is usually charged negatively. An additional effect is secondary electron emission, which is caused by highly energetic electron impacts on the dust grain. The effect causes the dust grain to charge even more negatively with time. In sunlit and less dense space plasmas the photoelectric effect continuously produces photelectrons that result in a positively charged dust grain due to the lack of negative charge carriers on the grain. The relative importance of these various currents strongly depends on the distance from the sun, the composition of the space plamas, as well as the chemical and physical properties of the dust grain. All these parameters are related by means of the current balance equation:
[img]http://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?
\frad{dq}{dt} = \Sum_{k=1}^{N} I_k
[/img]

Depending on the density and the temperature, the dust particle will get a certain charge. For those who would like to get all the gory details, I would advise to take a look at Goertz (1989) Dusty plasma in the solar system. However, in the end, in the “simple” view the currents balance out around a surface potential value of the dust particle of (Spitzer 1978):

[img]http://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?
\phi = -2.51 k T / e,
[/img]

and it is not surprising, of course, that this final value is basically dependent on the thermal energy of the plasma. The particle is then in equilibrium with its surroundings.

With a larger object, like a cometary nucleus, things are a bit more complicated. Because these things are non-conducting, any charge that is created on the surface “sticks” (unlike a conducting body in which the added charges try to move as far away as possible from each other, giving a homogenous charge density) and the sun facing side can be charged positively and the anti-sun facing side can become positive. Fortunately, there is a nice paper exactly about this by Tom Andre Norheim (2015) Surface charging and electrostatic dust acceleration at the nucleus of comet 67P during periods of low activity, that looked at what happens at a low activity comet at 3.5 AU. There we find that at the subsolar point a potential of ~+6 V is expected, whereas at the night side the potential can go up to -400 V in certain small regions but when moving towards the centre of the wake this quickly drops down and goes to a positive potential.

And that is enough for today.
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I think one of the problems is that the rest of the world does science with mathematics based upon observed results, whereas Sol88 does his science with emojis based upon the opposite of what is observed.

The fact that the rest of the world is able to produce workable results whereas he is not is just proof everyone is out to 'hide the truth'.
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Exclamation Irrelevant and lying "Plasma non linear behaviour ... " trolling

Irrelevant and lying "Plasma non linear behaviour ... " trolling emphasizes his cult's debunked and dead dogma yet again.

Someone who has remained abysmally ignorant about physics for 11 years here has no idea what plasma physics does. He emphasizes that his cult is totally incapable of doing any advanced physics.
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Exclamation Abysmal and irrelevant "maths is gospel in the religion of the big bangers" lie

Abysmal and irrelevant "maths is gospel in the religion of the big bangers" lie emphasizes his cult's debunked and dead dogma yet again.

Sol88 resorts to insults of his cult prophet Don Scott (the Thunderbolts "mathamagician ") !

All science is the modeling of the real world using math. This is one thing that makes his cult's electric comet and especially the electric sun dogma deluded - they have just about no math. The Big Bang is supported by an enormous body of physical evidence and is based on science that has passed all of its tests (tests of GR).

His cult is extremely in denial of the real world of physics and math. For example, Wal Thornhill has the delusion that gravity and nuclear forces are electromagnetic . This is a delusion because he has a degree in physics and should know that he is wrong. Gravity exists between neutral masses. Planets orbit the Sun with no significant charge. There are experiments that test Newton's law between masses down to millimeter scales. Nuclear forces do not depend on charge (they bind positive protons together, they bind neutral neutrons together, they bind charged quarks together, etc.) and are basically restricted to atomic nuclei. Does he support this fantasy by matching the real world with his physics and math? Of course not! He writes a fairy story spewing out ignorant electric universe fantasies e.g. supporting the Hollow Earth pseudoscience.

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Exclamation A " if jd116 says no can happen in “highly conductive medium” it must be true." lie

A "if jd116 says no can happen in “highly conductive medium” it must be true." lie.

Everyone in the world with a high school science education or capable of reading Wikipedia knows that electric discharges cannot occur in any highly conductive medium such as plasma by definition. An electric discharge is a sudden electric current appearing when an insulating medium breaks down and becomes ionized. Plasma is already ionized !
Thus: Those electric discharges in his [debunked for decades] dogma are scientifically impossible [as stated by several posters].

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