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Old 15th July 2020, 06:10 AM   #641
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
And who one plans to vote for is definitely not personal information.
Got it.
As usual you do not, actually, have it.
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Old 15th July 2020, 06:21 AM   #642
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As usual you do not, actually, have it.
Okay.
Are ones' intentions to vote for one candidate or another personal, or not?

If they are, do pollsters ask for them?, or not?
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Old 15th July 2020, 06:22 AM   #643
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Okay.
Are ones' intentions to vote for one candidate or another personal, or not?

If they are, do pollsters ask for them?, or not?
Can they be linked to a name? Is that name recorded?
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Old 15th July 2020, 06:26 AM   #644
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Can they be linked to a name? Is that name recorded?
A phone number can be linked to a name, quite easily.
If it is an old land line, it can be linked to an address as well- also quite easily.
It is also possible to link them in revers order- a name can be linked to a phone number, an address to a name, etc...

WRT the questions. Are ones' political intentions personal?, or not?
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Old 15th July 2020, 06:27 AM   #645
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
A phone number can be linked to a name, quite easily.
You dodged my question there.

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WRT the questions. Are ones' political intentions personal?, or not?
Any opinion or intention can be declared "personal" if you're using a broad enough definition.
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Old 15th July 2020, 06:29 AM   #646
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You dodged my question there.



Any opinion or intention can be declared "personal" if you're using a broad enough definition.
Your question was, can a phone number be linked to a name.
The answer is- yes. easily.
where is the dodge?

Is political intent personal?, or not?
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Personal information and personally identifying information aren't the same thing. Is the assumption that the issue is concern over the data governance of the polling organization? I had assumed it was more about people giving answers to pollsters that they thought would be socially acceptable to the pollsters, plus a bit of distrust in the news media ecosystem that pollsters are a part of... so why take part in the poll?
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Originally Posted by shuttlt View Post
so why take part in the poll?
Because Distracted1 for some reason* really, really needs a lot of people lying to pollsters instead of just hanging up.

* I can think about only one reason - to explain away polls unfavorable to his Fuhrer. Silent majority and all of that drivel.
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Old 15th July 2020, 06:43 AM   #649
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Originally Posted by Mader Levap View Post
Because Distracted1 for some reason* really, really needs a lot of people lying to pollsters instead of just hanging up.

* I can think about only one reason - to explain away polls unfavorable to his Fuhrer. Silent majority and all of that drivel.
Your psychic powers continue to disappoint.
Keep trying though, Miss Cleo.
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Old 15th July 2020, 06:45 AM   #650
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
Your question was, can a phone number be linked to a name.
Re-read the post.
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Old 15th July 2020, 06:47 AM   #651
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My point was that trolling the polls, not lying exactly, is something I can imagine... enough Trump supporters (no I can't put some "This account for exactly X percent of the motivation of Y percent of Trump supporters as outlined in this chart here..." number on it.) doing so it might make a difference.

One of the biggest problems is dealing with Trump has always been how many of supporters are supporting him in some.... err sideways fashion I guess you could call it. There's like no single term for it but if you account for people doing it ironically, doing it for effect, doing to troll the libs, doing to prove some nihilistic point about nothing mattering, people doing to to make "The government doesn't work" a self fulfilling prophecy, doing it as a joke, people who think Trump is a joke but they are in on the joke, people who think Trump is a joke but they are above the joke, and all that related frippery you've got a fairly substantial number. Probably nearly as big or bigger than whatever we could call Trump's "honest" support base.

With mainstream candidates the distinction their supporters and their voters is usually pretty much non existent. With Trump.. I'm not sure. I think, and everyone has to respect that the language will have to be a little sloppy here, people are going to vote for Trump who don't support him (in the traditional political sense) in meaningful numbers is more likely with Trump then it is for most any other politician.

For instance any poll worded in such a way as to ask "Is Trump making X better" is immediately suspect in my mind since "We didn't elect him to make things better" is such an open secret among his base. He's a troll. Making things better isn't his job.

Again nothing would make that part of Trump's base happier than Trump winning after the Liberals had again talked themselves into him having no chance. That's probably their favorite possible narrative so I'm... just wary of it. That's all.
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Old 15th July 2020, 06:56 AM   #652
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Can they be linked to a name? Is that name recorded?
Can what be linked to a name?
The expressed opinion of someone asked an opinion over the telephone?

If that is what your question means. The answer is still yes.
If that is not what it means, please clarify, and i will too.
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Can what be linked to a name?
Amazing. You've already lost track of the discussion. When I ask you to re-read the post, you might want to read what it was responding to as well.
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Amazing. You've already lost track of the discussion. When I ask you to re-read the post, you might want to read what it was responding to as well.
Just dense I guess.

We are discussing answering the questions of someone claiming to be a political pollster over the telephone, and why someone might lie to that person about something as personal as who they are planning to vote for.

Your question was "can they be linked to a name?"
well, since the responses are given over the telephone, they certainly can.

If you meant something else, please clarify.
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Just dense I guess.

We are discussing answering the questions of someone claiming to be a political pollster over the telephone, and why someone might lie to that person about something as personal as who they are planning to vote for.

Your question was "can they be linked to a name?"
My other question was "Is that name recorded?", but I guess you're going to go back to not understanding what "they" refers to now.
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I'm still very unclear as to the point trying to be made.

Is the argument being made that there are enough people who think that pollsters who called them are trying to scam them AND will lie to to pollster to prevent the scam rather than just hang up AND such people are heavily weighted towards one candidate that it would make a significant error in polling?
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My other question was "Is that name recorded?", but I guess you're going to go back to not understanding what "they" refers to now.
Is that name recorded?
Recorded by whom? The person asking the questions over the phone, I guess?
Certainly, the name can be written down, stored in a database, etc.. cross referenced with the answers to the questions asked.
That truly seems self-evident, which is why I am having a hard time groking your question.
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I'm still very unclear as to the point trying to be made.

Is the argument being made that there are enough people who think that pollsters who called them are trying to scam them AND will lie to to pollster to prevent the scam rather than just hang up AND such people are heavily weighted towards one candidate that it would make a significant error in polling?
That's the way that I interpret it, that Trump supporters won't hang up, but will lie whereas Democrats wouldn't lie or hang up.
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Is that name recorded?
Recorded by whom?
Ok now you're clearly playing games.

Have fun with that.
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Ok now you're clearly playing games.

Have fun with that.
I truly do not understand what you are asking me.

If it is not: Can the expressed political opinions of someone answering questions over the telephone be linked to a name, and that name be recorded?.
I do not know what it is.

I have asked for clarification in good faith.
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I truly do not understand what you are asking me.

If it is not: Can the expressed political opinions of someone answering questions over the telephone be linked to a name, and that name be recorded?.
I do not know what it is.

I have asked for clarification in good faith.
And I've clarified it in good faith numerous times.

I don't believe you.
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That's the way that I interpret it, that Trump supporters won't hang up, but will lie whereas Democrats wouldn't lie or hang up.
...and there's enough of them to make a real impact on the results.

If that's the position, I find it highly questionable.
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And I've clarified it in good faith numerous times.

I don't believe you.
What post clarified it?
I will read it again.
and ignore that it was initially answering a question with a question.
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What post clarified it?
I will read it again.
No you won't. I've already tried that. I won't fall for it again.
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No you won't. I've already tried that. I won't fall for it again.
Then I must consider those questions answered.

Perhaps now you will answer these: (asked before yours, BTW)

Are ones' intentions to vote for one candidate or another personal, or not?

If they are, do pollsters ask for them?, or not?
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You don't even know what the question was but you consider it answered? Sure. That makes sense.

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If they are, do pollsters ask for them?, or not?
Them who?
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You don't even know what the question was but you consider it answered? Sure. That makes sense.



Them who?
Indeed. the answers are "yes" and "yes". We can proceed from there if you like.


The intentions to vote for one candidate or another. (clearly stated in the previous sentence)
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The intentions to vote for one candidate or another. (clearly stated in the previous sentence)
Sorry, what about these intentions?
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Sorry, what about these intentions?
Ahh, the entire thing was a dodge to avoid answering.
Explains why you would not clarify.
Okay.
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Ahh, the entire thing was a dodge to avoid answering.
Explains why you would not clarify.
Okay.
I truly do not understand what you are asking me.

I have asked for clarification in good faith.
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I truly do not understand what you are asking me.

I have asked for clarification in good faith.
That's okay. Answer the question you think is being asked then.
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That's okay. Answer the question you think is being asked then.
Ok: Spinach. It's definitely spinach.
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Can they be linked to a name? Is that name recorded?
The voting intentions can be linked to a name, and recorded. (answered)
The respondents can be linked to a name, and recorded. (answered)

what else! are you referring to!?!?

The pollster!?? Can the pollster be linked to a name, and recorded- I really don't think you mean that yet there is nothing else there that is evident.
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The voting intentions can be linked to a name, and recorded. (answered)
The respondents can be linked to a name, and recorded. (answered)

what else! are you referring to!?!?
Vegetables, at this point.
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Vegetables, at this point.
Just dodging, then.
Going a long way to not have to own up to your false statement that "pollsters do not ask for personal information"
Kudos, for going so far to avoid admitting you were wrong.
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Just dodging, then.
I'm using performance art to explain my feelings of frustration by subjecting you to same.

But you knew that already.

Since I've already told you that I don't believe you, you can stop pretending to really wanting to discuss this with me.

Quote:
Going a long way to not have to own up to your false statement that "pollsters do not ask for personal information"
They don't.
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I'm using performance art to explain my feelings of frustration by subjecting you to same.

But you knew that already.

Since I've already told you that I don't believe you, you can stop pretending to really wanting to discuss this with me.



They don't.
Because who one intends to vote for is not personal?

or Because pollsters don't ask that?
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Because who one intends to vote for is not personal?
I've already answred that: using that logic, any opinion is personal information, but that's playing with words.
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I've already answred that: using that logic, any opinion is personal information, but that's playing with words.
Not automatically.
Voting is typically done by secret ballot, because it is considered more personal than other information.

We call our orders for big macs' right into the little speaker in the drive-thru, because our order at a fast food restaurant is not personal.

In general conversation, our sexual preferences, income, and voting habits are considered rude to be asked about unless specific permission is given in advance.

What movie we saw last night, or what we had for breakfast, not so much.
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Old 15th July 2020, 08:51 AM   #680
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
Not automatically.
Voting is typically done by secret ballot, because it is considered more personal than other information.

We call our orders for big macs' right into the little speaker in the drive-thru, because our order at a fast food restaurant is not personal.

In general conversation, our sexual preferences, income, and voting habits are considered rude to be asked about unless specific permission is given in advance.

What movie we saw last night, or what we had for breakfast, not so much.
As I said: you're using the term very broadly. Polling isn't supposed to record that information. If they do, or if you suspect that they do, then don't answer them. Better yet, don't have a phone or the internet.
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