White Supremacists Are Top Terror Threat

Ranb · 5th September 2020, 02:37 PM

White Supremacists Are Top Terror Threat In DHS Draft Assessments

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white...e957e7WAO9PcXI

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The Department of Homeland Security has prepared three draft reports warning that white supremacists are currently the most significant terror threat in the U.S., Politico reported Friday.

All three drafts reviewed by Politico warn that white supremacists represent an even greater threat than violence from foreign terrorist groups.

None of the drafts reviewed by Politico mentioned any threat from antifa, the anti-fascist movement that President Donald Trump has repeatedly characterized as a pressing danger.

But Trump will continue to pander to the white supremacist voter base that helped put him in the White House.

Quote:

The drafts note that 2019 was the deadliest year for domestic violent extremists since the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.

John Cohen, the department’s counterterrorism coordinator from 2011 to 2014, told Politico that the DHS conclusion isn’t surprising.

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cullennz · 5th September 2020, 03:54 PM

As much as I think Trump is an idiot, it is pushing to say his voter base is white supremacists.

This is not to deny most white supremacists probably vote for the orange one.

But if it makes you feel better thinking otherwise, all good though.

Edit: should add what you are saying is all staunch Republican voters are white supremacists, which is (without insult) a bit dim.

Safe-Keeper · 5th September 2020, 04:25 PM

Quote:

John Cohen, the department’s counterterrorism coordinator from 2011 to 2014, told Politico that the DHS conclusion isn’t surprising.

I concur.

Roger Ramjets · 5th September 2020, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by cullennz

As much as I think Trump is an idiot, it is pushing to say his voter base is white supremacists.

Actually, it isn't.

Who Are Trump’s Supporters?

Quote:

William Galston of the Brookings Institution analyzed the data and wrote that “Trump is the staunchest champion of the white working class that American politics has seen in decades.” Combine their class with their self-declared conservatism and you have the people Lipset described.

According to Lipset, “authoritarian predispositions and ethnic prejudice flow more naturally from the situation of the lower classes than from that of middle and upper classes.” These were the people who formed the base of the Nazi labor unions (Lipset was writing in 1959), the White Citizen’s Councils in the segregated American south, and race rioters in England. Lipset continued, “working-class groups have proved to be the most nationalistic and jingoistic sector of the population. In a number of nations, they have clearly been in the forefront of the struggle against equal rights for minority groups, and have sought to limit immigration or to impose racial standards in countries with open immigration.” This, of course, describes a Donald Trump rally almost perfectly.

cullennz · 5th September 2020, 04:47 PM

All good. If you can just post a peer reviewed link showing the 63 million people who voted for Trump including all the black voters are white supremacists I'll take your point on board.

Minoosh · 5th September 2020, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Ranb

But Trump will continue to pander to the white supremacist voter base that helped put him in the White House.

Originally Posted by cullennz

All good. If you can just post a peer reviewed link showing the 63 million people who voted for Trump including all the black voters are white supremacists I'll take your point on board.

An alternative reading: There is a base of white supremacists who overwhelmingly support Trump.

This base helped put Trump in the White House.

Along with other members of Trump's base, who are not white supremacists.

Jim_MDP · 5th September 2020, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by cullennz

All good. If you can just post a peer reviewed link showing the 63 million people who voted for Trump including all the black voters are white supremacists I'll take your point on board.

Except it's you who conflated "his WS voter base" with "Trump's total voter base". The former is not the totality of the latter, though the latter includes the vast majority of the former.
I think I see the loose sentence that led you there... though you had to want it.

Boudicca90 · 5th September 2020, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by cullennz

All good. If you can just post a peer reviewed link showing the 63 million people who voted for Trump including all the black voters are white supremacists I'll take your point on board.

Not all those 63 million, but a substantial portion of them.

And all the rest might not be racist themselves, but they don't have a problem with Trump's racism, which makes them almost as bad.

Ranb · 5th September 2020, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by cullennz

....it is pushing to say his voter base is white supremacists.

Edit: should add what you are saying is all staunch Republican voters are white supremacists, which is (without insult) a bit dim.

When I said "the white supremacist voter base", it meant a portion of the people who voted for him are white supremacist. There is more than one voter base.

ETA; What Minoosh said. I fairly certain that with the choice Biden made for a running mate, Trump is going to have a lock on the racists whites that make it to the polls.

He will also have the idiot gun nut vote. The single-issue rational gun nuts will be torn between the proven gun grabber (Trump) running on the pro-gun platform and the failed gun grabber (Biden) running on the gun grabbing platform.

casebro · 5th September 2020, 08:46 PM

Back to the OP. I'd say Antifa and BLM are the "Top Terror Threats". Unless they mean they are not threats if they are actually doing terror?

The Great Zaganza · 5th September 2020, 08:52 PM

Not all Trump voters are white supremacists, but all white supremacists are Trump voters.
That should give the rest of the Trump voters pause for thought.

smartcooky · 5th September 2020, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Boudicca90

Not all those 63 million, but a substantial portion of them.

And all the rest might not be racist themselves, but they don't have a problem with Trump's racism, which makes them almost as bad.

This.

If you are a white supremacist Trump supporter, you are a racist, and part of the problem

If you are a white nationalist Trump supporter, you are a racist, and are part of the problem

If you are neither of the above, but you don't care that people in your country, of a race on other than your own, are racially discriminated against, then you are still a racist, and part of the problem

If you don't think of yourself as a racist but you vote for Trump because the alternative is "damned Librulz" then you might not be a racist, but you are still part of the problem

cullennz · 5th September 2020, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

This.

If you are a white supremacist Trump supporter, you are a racist, and part of the problem

If you are a white nationalist Trump supporter, you are a racist, and are part of the problem

If you are neither of the above, but you don't care that people in your country, of a race on other than your own, are racially discriminated against, then you are still a racist, and part of the problem

If you don't think of yourself as a racist but you vote for Trump because the alternative is "damned Librulz" then you might not be a racist, but you are still part of the problem

This isn't true though. Is it?

They would only be part of the problem for US voters who don't want the Republicans in power.

angrysoba · 6th September 2020, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by cullennz

This isn't true though. Is it?

They would only be part of the problem for US voters who don't want the Republicans in power.

I think smartcooky already covered that. If you are not bothered about racists being in power then you are either extremely ignorant or racist.

bluesjnr · 6th September 2020, 12:36 AM

Rolls eyes, sighs and thinks, "here we go again".

If Trump gets in again, will that mean that the Dems didn't do enough to stop it happening and are therefore part of the problem, ergo racists?

cullennz · 6th September 2020, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

I think smartcooky already covered that. If you are not bothered about racists being in power then you are either extremely ignorant or racist.

My point was just because Trump is a racist, misogynistic prick. This doesn't mean everyone who happens to vote Republican in the US is.

But then this doesn't seem to fit what you want to think.

smartcooky · 6th September 2020, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by cullennz

My point was just because Trump is a racist, misogynistic prick. This doesn't mean everyone who happens to vote Republican in the US is.

But then this doesn't seem to fit what you want to think.

Number four.

cullennz · 6th September 2020, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Number four.

A) I am not American

B) If I was I wouldn't vote for either as they have both shown racist sexist histories.

C) I don't care who the US prez is (see A))

D) You seem a tad into identity politics

angrysoba · 6th September 2020, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by bluesjnr

Rolls eyes, sighs and thinks, "here we go again".

If Trump gets in again, will that mean that the Dems didn't do enough to stop it happening and are therefore part of the problem, ergo racists?

Nope. That is completely illogical.

cullennz · 6th September 2020, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Nope. That is completely illogical.

No it isn't.

If not enough dem voters rock up to turf him, this shows a lack of caring a racist might get back in.

This is a sure sign of subconscious racism and probably misogynistic tendencies on the part of dem supporters who dont turn out.

bluesjnr · 6th September 2020, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Nope. That is completely illogical.

I was applying smartcookys rules of logic. Do they only work if it's Republicans?

cullennz · 6th September 2020, 12:59 AM

Actually probably the party as a whole for not bothering to work hard enough to win.

smartcooky · 6th September 2020, 01:05 AM

This is all really off-topic for this thread, so I have answered in another thread
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...2#post13214002

Given the events of March 15, 2019, as a Kiwi, you should understand what a grave terrorist threat White Supremacism is to the whole world.

cullennz · 6th September 2020, 02:33 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

This is all really off-topic for this thread, so I have answered in another thread

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...2#post13214002

Given the events of March 15, 2019, as a Kiwi, you should understand what a grave terrorist threat White Supremacism is to the whole world.

As a Kiwi after ChCh I am more worried about cops giving random Foreign nutters rights to come over and have gun licences without proper checks.

Given we don't have a particularly bad white supremacy issue.

Safe-Keeper · 6th September 2020, 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by casebro

Back to the OP. I'd say Antifa and BLM are the "Top Terror Threats".

Care to tell us why?

varwoche · 6th September 2020, 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by bluesjnr

Rolls eyes, sighs and thinks, "here we go again".

If Trump gets in again, will that mean that the Dems didn't do enough to stop it happening and are therefore part of the problem, ergo racists?

What a steaming load of vapid posturing. When you roll your eyes, it's a good thing not to follow it with something that causes readers to injure their eye sockets.

When someone supports a racist, they are supporting racism. When someone opposes a racist, even if unsuccessful, they are not supporting racism.

The only "here we go again" is you playing the race card card.

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angrysoba · 6th September 2020, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by bluesjnr

I was applying smartcookys rules of logic. Do they only work if it's Republicans?

Pretty much yeah, unless you are talking about Democrats who are voting Trump.

SMMFH

uke2se · 6th September 2020, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Care to tell us why?

It's quite obvious why. Unfortunately for him, BLM and Antifa don't have a history of terrorist attacks, while white supremacists do.

bluesjnr · 6th September 2020, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by varwoche

What a steaming load of vapid posturing. When you roll your eyes, it's a good thing not to follow it with something that causes readers to injure their eye sockets.

When someone supports a racist, they are supporting racism. When someone opposes a racist, even if unsuccessful, they are not supporting racism.

The only "here we go again" is you playing the race card card.

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Oh the irony, the ******* irony!

Wolrab · 6th September 2020, 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by uke2se

It's quite obvious why. Unfortunately for him, BLM and Antifa don't have a history of terrorist attacks, while white supremacists do.

Awww...How cute. Did you paint your blinders rose colored?

Thermal · 6th September 2020, 06:19 AM

Re: OP. It's a sad state of affairs when the biggest threat to your nation is associated with the ruling party.

Can't we be like the other countries that have external arch enemies?

casebro · 6th September 2020, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by uke2se

It's quite obvious why. Unfortunately for him, BLM and Antifa don't have a history of terrorist attacks, while white supremacists do.

You don't consider rioting and looting terrorist acts?

Ranb · 6th September 2020, 10:37 AM

Back on topic.

From 2002. https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/ne...-united-states

Quote:

During the past decade we have witnessed dramatic changes in the nature of the terrorist threat. In the 1990s, right-wing extremism overtook left-wing terrorism as the most dangerous domestic terrorist threat to the country.

Makes for interesting reading.

Ryokan · 6th September 2020, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by casebro

You don't consider rioting and looting terrorist acts?

What's your definition of terrorism?

Were the American revolutionairies terrorists?

Were looters after Katrina terrorists?

ETA: Do you believe the Department of Homeland Security is simply unaware of Antifa and BLM?

Thermal · 6th September 2020, 10:52 AM

Never quite going to understand white supremacists. The skinheads from my youth didn't seem to specifically hate black people; they kind of hated everybody, including each other. Just vile creatures across the board

Thermal · 6th September 2020, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

What's your definition of terrorism?

Were the American revolutionairies terrorists?

Were looters after Katrina terrorists?

ETA: Do you believe the Department of Homeland Security is simply unaware of Antifa and BLM?

I understand terrorism as trying to strike fear of random extreme violence into the populace (very broadly). Rioting is a given segment of the population letting TPTB know you've had it with them and don't plan to take it anymore. Looting is opportunistic scale-balancing.

Ryokan · 6th September 2020, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by Thermal

I understand terrorism as trying to strike fear of random extreme violence into the populace (very broadly). Rioting is a given segment of the population letting TPTB know you've had it with them and don't plan to take it anymore. Looting is opportunistic scale-balancing.

I would mostly agree with that, but most definitions of terrorism add that it's in pursuit of a political goal. So there's a difference between a mass murderer and a terrorist - the latter is doing it to achieve some political goal.

Thermal · 6th September 2020, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

I would mostly agree with that, but most definitions of terrorism add that it's in pursuit of a political goal. So there's a difference between a mass murderer and a terrorist - the latter is doing it to achieve some political goal.

Agreed. Was trying to leave the door open for strongly social objectives as well, but they are ultimately political. I suppose terrorism should include specific damage targets too, not just instilling fear of the random. But rioters and looters don't fit in that category. They are more transient, and are done when the riot is over. Terrorists have a more ongoing agenda, I think

smartcooky · 6th September 2020, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Thermal

Re: OP. It's a sad state of affairs when the biggest threat to your nation is associated with the ruling party.

Can't we be like the other countries that have external arch enemies?

Like Putin's Russia perhaps?

rockysmith76 · 6th September 2020, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by varwoche

What a steaming load of vapid posturing. When you roll your eyes, it's a good thing not to follow it with something that causes readers to injure their eye sockets.

When someone supports a racist, they are supporting racism. When someone opposes a racist, even if unsuccessful, they are not supporting racism.

The only "here we go again" is you playing the race card card.

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Not everyone who disagrees with the Chinese commie infiltration of US politics is a racist.

5th September 2020, 02:37 PM	#1
Ranb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA USA Posts: 10,756	White Supremacists Are Top Terror Threat White Supremacists Are Top Terror Threat In DHS Draft Assessments https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white...e957e7WAO9PcXI Quote: The Department of Homeland Security has prepared three draft reports warning that white supremacists are currently the most significant terror threat in the U.S., Politico reported Friday. All three drafts reviewed by Politico warn that white supremacists represent an even greater threat than violence from foreign terrorist groups. None of the drafts reviewed by Politico mentioned any threat from antifa, the anti-fascist movement that President Donald Trump has repeatedly characterized as a pressing danger. But Trump will continue to pander to the white supremacist voter base that helped put him in the White House. Quote: The drafts note that 2019 was the deadliest year for domestic violent extremists since the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995. John Cohen, the department’s counterterrorism coordinator from 2011 to 2014, told Politico that the DHS conclusion isn’t surprising. Ranb

5th September 2020, 03:54 PM	#2
cullennz Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NZ Posts: 21,318	As much as I think Trump is an idiot, it is pushing to say his voter base is white supremacists. This is not to deny most white supremacists probably vote for the orange one. But if it makes you feel better thinking otherwise, all good though. Edit: should add what you are saying is all staunch Republican voters are white supremacists, which is (without insult) a bit dim.
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5th September 2020, 04:25 PM	#3
Safe-Keeper Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 10,415	Quote: John Cohen, the department’s counterterrorism coordinator from 2011 to 2014, told Politico that the DHS conclusion isn’t surprising. I concur.
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5th September 2020, 04:37 PM	#4
Roger Ramjets Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 6,649	Originally Posted by cullennz As much as I think Trump is an idiot, it is pushing to say his voter base is white supremacists. Actually, it isn't. Who Are Trump’s Supporters? Quote: William Galston of the Brookings Institution analyzed the data and wrote that “Trump is the staunchest champion of the white working class that American politics has seen in decades.” Combine their class with their self-declared conservatism and you have the people Lipset described. According to Lipset, “authoritarian predispositions and ethnic prejudice flow more naturally from the situation of the lower classes than from that of middle and upper classes.” These were the people who formed the base of the Nazi labor unions (Lipset was writing in 1959), the White Citizen’s Councils in the segregated American south, and race rioters in England. Lipset continued, “working-class groups have proved to be the most nationalistic and jingoistic sector of the population. In a number of nations, they have clearly been in the forefront of the struggle against equal rights for minority groups, and have sought to limit immigration or to impose racial standards in countries with open immigration.” This, of course, describes a Donald Trump rally almost perfectly.
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5th September 2020, 05:04 PM	#7
Jim_MDP Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: N.Cal/S.Or Posts: 9,474	Originally Posted by cullennz All good. If you can just post a peer reviewed link showing the 63 million people who voted for Trump including all the black voters are white supremacists I'll take your point on board. Except it's you who conflated "his WS voter base" with "Trump's total voter base". The former is not the totality of the latter, though the latter includes the vast majority of the former. I think I see the loose sentence that led you there... though you had to want it.
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5th September 2020, 04:47 PM	#5
cullennz Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NZ Posts: 21,318	All good. If you can just post a peer reviewed link showing the 63 million people who voted for Trump including all the black voters are white supremacists I'll take your point on board.

5th September 2020, 04:55 PM	#6
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 12,496	Originally Posted by Ranb But Trump will continue to pander to the white supremacist voter base that helped put him in the White House. Originally Posted by cullennz All good. If you can just post a peer reviewed link showing the 63 million people who voted for Trump including all the black voters are white supremacists I'll take your point on board. An alternative reading: There is a base of white supremacists who overwhelmingly support Trump. This base helped put Trump in the White House. Along with other members of Trump's base, who are not white supremacists.

5th September 2020, 05:22 PM	#8
Boudicca90 Muse Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Murrieta, CA Posts: 728	Originally Posted by cullennz All good. If you can just post a peer reviewed link showing the 63 million people who voted for Trump including all the black voters are white supremacists I'll take your point on board. Not all those 63 million, but a substantial portion of them. And all the rest might not be racist themselves, but they don't have a problem with Trump's racism, which makes them almost as bad.

5th September 2020, 07:56 PM	#9
Ranb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA USA Posts: 10,756	Originally Posted by cullennz ....it is pushing to say his voter base is white supremacists. Edit: should add what you are saying is all staunch Republican voters are white supremacists, which is (without insult) a bit dim. When I said "the white supremacist voter base", it meant a portion of the people who voted for him are white supremacist. There is more than one voter base. ETA; What Minoosh said. I fairly certain that with the choice Biden made for a running mate, Trump is going to have a lock on the racists whites that make it to the polls. He will also have the idiot gun nut vote. The single-issue rational gun nuts will be torn between the proven gun grabber (Trump) running on the pro-gun platform and the failed gun grabber (Biden) running on the gun grabbing platform.
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5th September 2020, 08:46 PM	#10
casebro Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 19,784	Back to the OP. I'd say Antifa and BLM are the "Top Terror Threats". Unless they mean they are not threats if they are actually doing terror?
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5th September 2020, 08:52 PM	#11
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5th September 2020, 09:21 PM	#12
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 24,533	Originally Posted by Boudicca90 Not all those 63 million, but a substantial portion of them. And all the rest might not be racist themselves, but they don't have a problem with Trump's racism, which makes them almost as bad. This. If you are a white supremacist Trump supporter, you are a racist, and part of the problem If you are a white nationalist Trump supporter, you are a racist, and are part of the problem If you are neither of the above, but you don't care that people in your country, of a race on other than your own, are racially discriminated against, then you are still a racist, and part of the problem If you don't think of yourself as a racist but you vote for Trump because the alternative is "damned Librulz" then you might not be a racist, but you are still part of the problem
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5th September 2020, 11:07 PM	#13
cullennz Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NZ Posts: 21,318	Originally Posted by smartcooky This. If you are a white supremacist Trump supporter, you are a racist, and part of the problem If you are a white nationalist Trump supporter, you are a racist, and are part of the problem If you are neither of the above, but you don't care that people in your country, of a race on other than your own, are racially discriminated against, then you are still a racist, and part of the problem If you don't think of yourself as a racist but you vote for Trump because the alternative is "damned Librulz" then you might not be a racist, but you are still part of the problem This isn't true though. Is it? They would only be part of the problem for US voters who don't want the Republicans in power.

6th September 2020, 12:14 AM	#14
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 34,954	Originally Posted by cullennz This isn't true though. Is it? They would only be part of the problem for US voters who don't want the Republicans in power. I think smartcooky already covered that. If you are not bothered about racists being in power then you are either extremely ignorant or racist.
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6th September 2020, 12:36 AM	#15
bluesjnr Professional Nemesis for Hire Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Home. Posts: 11,542	Rolls eyes, sighs and thinks, "here we go again". If Trump gets in again, will that mean that the Dems didn't do enough to stop it happening and are therefore part of the problem, ergo racists?
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6th September 2020, 12:36 AM	#16
cullennz Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NZ Posts: 21,318	Originally Posted by angrysoba I think smartcooky already covered that. If you are not bothered about racists being in power then you are either extremely ignorant or racist. My point was just because Trump is a racist, misogynistic prick. This doesn't mean everyone who happens to vote Republican in the US is. But then this doesn't seem to fit what you want to think.

6th September 2020, 12:41 AM	#17
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 24,533	Originally Posted by cullennz My point was just because Trump is a racist, misogynistic prick. This doesn't mean everyone who happens to vote Republican in the US is. But then this doesn't seem to fit what you want to think. Number four.
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6th September 2020, 12:46 AM	#18
cullennz Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NZ Posts: 21,318	Originally Posted by smartcooky Number four. A) I am not American B) If I was I wouldn't vote for either as they have both shown racist sexist histories. C) I don't care who the US prez is (see A)) D) You seem a tad into identity politics

6th September 2020, 12:51 AM	#19
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 34,954	Originally Posted by bluesjnr Rolls eyes, sighs and thinks, "here we go again". If Trump gets in again, will that mean that the Dems didn't do enough to stop it happening and are therefore part of the problem, ergo racists? Nope. That is completely illogical.
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6th September 2020, 12:58 AM	#20
cullennz Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NZ Posts: 21,318	Originally Posted by angrysoba Nope. That is completely illogical. No it isn't. If not enough dem voters rock up to turf him, this shows a lack of caring a racist might get back in. This is a sure sign of subconscious racism and probably misogynistic tendencies on the part of dem supporters who dont turn out.

6th September 2020, 12:59 AM	#21
bluesjnr Professional Nemesis for Hire Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Home. Posts: 11,542	Originally Posted by angrysoba Nope. That is completely illogical. I was applying smartcookys rules of logic. Do they only work if it's Republicans?
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6th September 2020, 01:05 AM	#23
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 24,533	This is all really off-topic for this thread, so I have answered in another thread http://www.internationalskeptics.com...2#post13214002 Given the events of March 15, 2019, as a Kiwi, you should understand what a grave terrorist threat White Supremacism is to the whole world.
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6th September 2020, 02:33 AM	#24
cullennz Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NZ Posts: 21,318	Originally Posted by smartcooky This is all really off-topic for this thread, so I have answered in another thread http://www.internationalskeptics.com...2#post13214002 Given the events of March 15, 2019, as a Kiwi, you should understand what a grave terrorist threat White Supremacism is to the whole world. As a Kiwi after ChCh I am more worried about cops giving random Foreign nutters rights to come over and have gun licences without proper checks. Given we don't have a particularly bad white supremacy issue.
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6th September 2020, 04:01 AM	#25
Safe-Keeper Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 10,415	Originally Posted by casebro Back to the OP. I'd say Antifa and BLM are the "Top Terror Threats". Care to tell us why?
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6th September 2020, 05:03 AM	#26
varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 16,995	Originally Posted by bluesjnr Rolls eyes, sighs and thinks, "here we go again". If Trump gets in again, will that mean that the Dems didn't do enough to stop it happening and are therefore part of the problem, ergo racists? What a steaming load of vapid posturing. When you roll your eyes, it's a good thing not to follow it with something that causes readers to injure their eye sockets. When someone supports a racist, they are supporting racism. When someone opposes a racist, even if unsuccessful, they are not supporting racism. The only "here we go again" is you playing the race card card. .
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6th September 2020, 05:53 AM	#27
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 34,954	Originally Posted by bluesjnr I was applying smartcookys rules of logic. Do they only work if it's Republicans? Pretty much yeah, unless you are talking about Democrats who are voting Trump. SMMFH
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6th September 2020, 05:59 AM	#28
uke2se Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 14,401	Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper Care to tell us why? It's quite obvious why. Unfortunately for him, BLM and Antifa don't have a history of terrorist attacks, while white supremacists do.
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6th September 2020, 06:04 AM	#29
bluesjnr Professional Nemesis for Hire Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Home. Posts: 11,542	Originally Posted by varwoche What a steaming load of vapid posturing. When you roll your eyes, it's a good thing not to follow it with something that causes readers to injure their eye sockets. When someone supports a racist, they are supporting racism. When someone opposes a racist, even if unsuccessful, they are not supporting racism. The only "here we go again" is you playing the race card card. . Oh the irony, the ******* irony!
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6th September 2020, 06:06 AM	#30
Wolrab Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,832	Originally Posted by uke2se It's quite obvious why. Unfortunately for him, BLM and Antifa don't have a history of terrorist attacks, while white supremacists do. Awww...How cute. Did you paint your blinders rose colored?
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6th September 2020, 06:19 AM	#31
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 24,140	Re: OP. It's a sad state of affairs when the biggest threat to your nation is associated with the ruling party. Can't we be like the other countries that have external arch enemies?
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6th September 2020, 06:52 AM	#32
casebro Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 19,784	Originally Posted by uke2se It's quite obvious why. Unfortunately for him, BLM and Antifa don't have a history of terrorist attacks, while white supremacists do. You don't consider rioting and looting terrorist acts?
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6th September 2020, 10:37 AM	#33
Ranb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA USA Posts: 10,756	Back on topic. From 2002. https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/ne...-united-states Quote: During the past decade we have witnessed dramatic changes in the nature of the terrorist threat. In the 1990s, right-wing extremism overtook left-wing terrorism as the most dangerous domestic terrorist threat to the country. Makes for interesting reading.

6th September 2020, 10:45 AM	#34
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 10,805	Originally Posted by casebro You don't consider rioting and looting terrorist acts? What's your definition of terrorism? Were the American revolutionairies terrorists? Were looters after Katrina terrorists? ETA: Do you believe the Department of Homeland Security is simply unaware of Antifa and BLM?
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6th September 2020, 10:52 AM	#35
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 24,140	Never quite going to understand white supremacists. The skinheads from my youth didn't seem to specifically hate black people; they kind of hated everybody, including each other. Just vile creatures across the board
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6th September 2020, 10:57 AM	#36
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 24,140	Originally Posted by Ryokan What's your definition of terrorism? Were the American revolutionairies terrorists? Were looters after Katrina terrorists? ETA: Do you believe the Department of Homeland Security is simply unaware of Antifa and BLM? I understand terrorism as trying to strike fear of random extreme violence into the populace (very broadly). Rioting is a given segment of the population letting TPTB know you've had it with them and don't plan to take it anymore. Looting is opportunistic scale-balancing.
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