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Old 15th October 2020, 10:45 AM   #401
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
Parsimony.
Since you are probably not saying that one hypothesis is cheaper than the other, I imagine that you are attempting to apply Occam's Razor (no gods is the simpler explanation).

Even if that applies, it has nothing to do with what made-up theory is more valid than the other.
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Old 15th October 2020, 02:44 PM   #402
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
So why is one more valid than the other?
One is vastly more probable than the other.
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Old 15th October 2020, 04:27 PM   #403
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
You are aware that here Facebook posts aren't part of the Bible ???
But it has its own FB page!?

Practically all of the content would violate FB’s fact checking policies?
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Old 15th October 2020, 06:42 PM   #404
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Originally Posted by RolandRat View Post
One is vastly more probable than the other.
That has nothing to do with "parsimony" and you have no idea about the probabilities.
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Old 16th October 2020, 12:44 AM   #405
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
This is the first time you have used the word "claim" in our exchange. What claim is that? What exactly do you want me to prove?
What I asked you.
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Old 16th October 2020, 01:02 AM   #406
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Even if that applies, it has nothing to do with what made-up theory is more valid than the other.
Since you introduced the concept of validity to this discussion, please define what you personally mean by it, so that we know we're addressing the same issue.

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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
What I asked you.
I think I will wait until you stop talking in circles.
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Old 16th October 2020, 01:33 AM   #408
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
I think I will wait until you stop talking in circles.
If you have forgotten what you posted perhaps reread your posts?
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
If you have forgotten what you posted perhaps reread your posts?
Your strange request was originally in response to an unrelated post. Maybe you need to reread the posts.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Your strange request was originally in response to an unrelated post. Maybe you need to reread the posts.
Just did and yep you still haven’t provided the evidence for your claim so I shall assume you made it up.
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Old 16th October 2020, 12:38 PM   #411
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Just did and yep you still haven’t provided the evidence for your claim so I shall assume you made it up.
I didn't make a claim.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
I didn't make a claim.
Sure you did. This is a claim....
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...it is quoting the bible that has effectively been outlawed.

... so is this...
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She wasn't sacked for simply being a Christian but because she criticized a government educational policy.

... and this...
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This has gone well beyond practising discrimination. It is now becoming unlawful to express biblical views if they are politically incorrect.
You have made these claims, you have failed to back them up with sources or evidence
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You have made these claims, you have failed to back them up with sources or evidence
Which one of these claims is Darat referring to and what do "scripture quotes that mention trans people" have to do with them.
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Which one of these claims is Darat referring to and what do "scripture quotes that mention trans people" have to do with them.
Another dodge.

Just substantiate your claims.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
I'm guessing that you don't regard a tribunal ruling as part of case law.
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Can you cite one that has ruled that anybody who quotes the bible, paraphrases the bible, makes statements consistent with the bible or indicates concurrence with what is written is the bible is to be labeled "homophobic" and punished?

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Another dodge.

Just substantiate your claims.
I am not interested in your derail. If you don't know what Darat is on about then butt out.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
I am not interested in your derail.
Its not a derail. You said you have not made a claim - I proved that you did

The fact that you know the quotes I posted are not related to what Darat was asking show that you know exactly what he was asking

Time for you to stop dodging and playing childish games..

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....butt out.
No!
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I am not interested in your derail. If you don't know what Darat is on about then butt out.
If this is the best her defenders can do it's no wonder she lost her tribunal.
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If this is the best her defenders can do it's no wonder she lost her tribunal.
The right to criticize the government - even on religious grounds - is not something that should need defending.
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The right to criticize the government - even on religious grounds - is not something that should need defending.
And has no relevance to this story.
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Anybody who quotes the bible, paraphrases the bible, makes statements consistent with the bible or indicates concurrence with what is written is the bible is to be labeled "homophobic" and punished.
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Can you cite any authority for that?
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Count the number of posters in this thread who haven't said that just the facebook posts alone prove that the woman in question is "homophobic" and her sacking is justified (it won't take long).

I realize that she wasn't dismissed because she is homophobic. Instead, it was decided that a facebook post pointing out the incompatibility of the relations program and biblically based teaching was an act of "gross misconduct".
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The opinions of posters in this thread are not legal precedents. You need to cite legislation or case law.
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I'm guessing that you don't regard a tribunal ruling as part of case law.
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Can you cite one that has ruled that anybody who quotes the bible, paraphrases the bible, makes statements consistent with the bible or indicates concurrence with what is written is the bible is to be labeled "homophobic" and punished?

Well?
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... As for other forms of transgenderism, they weren't an issue in those times but if they were then a reasonable person would suppose that they are off the cards too.
Isn't that a bit like assuming any foodstuff not mentioned is non-kosher? Why would you think it reasonable to assume a prohibition on any behaviour that wasn't considered worth mentioning?

When you say "they weren't an issue in those times" are you saying that humans have changed in a couple of thousand years? Also of course, there are other places as well as times. The OT is the law book of one culture in one area of the Middle East. Other world cultures have had different attitudes to sexuality and gender issues over the centuries. It's not as if there was a straight Golden Age with few transgressors and now suddenly the world has gone crazy. People have always just been people (unless you have some insight suggesting otherwise).
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The right to criticize the government - even on religious grounds - is not something that should need defending.
Of course, that isn't what she was fired for... but you already knew that didn't you.
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And has no relevance to this story.
Is it your argument that whether she had made the facebook posts or not she would still have been accused of gross misconduct and sacked?
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Isn't that a bit like assuming any foodstuff not mentioned is non-kosher? Why would you think it reasonable to assume a prohibition on any behaviour that wasn't considered worth mentioning?

When you say "they weren't an issue in those times" are you saying that humans have changed in a couple of thousand years? Also of course, there are other places as well as times. The OT is the law book of one culture in one area of the Middle East. Other world cultures have had different attitudes to sexuality and gender issues over the centuries. It's not as if there was a straight Golden Age with few transgressors and now suddenly the world has gone crazy. People have always just been people (unless you have some insight suggesting otherwise).
Are you really arguing that the bible left out sex change operations from the list of sins because they believed that it was ok and not because they had no idea that such a thing was possible?
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Are you really arguing that the bible left out sex change operations from the list of sins because they believed that it was ok and not because they had no idea that such a thing was possible?
Do you eat shellfish? Or wear mixed fibre clothing? Because those sure seemed important enough to include in the commandments.

Or are you saying that your god never knew that transgender would be a thing at some point in the future?

Or are you saying that the magic book is wrong? Surely dog would have known in advance.

How about slavery? Are you all good with slavery?

How about human sacrifice? Because the magic book is all good with that too.

And the list goes on. Drunken rape? Genocide? War? All OK by you?
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Are you really arguing that the bible left out sex change operations from the list of sins because they believed that it was ok and not because they had no idea that such a thing was possible?
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Is it your argument that whether she had made the facebook posts or not she would still have been accused of gross misconduct and sacked?
Back-to-back strawmen.... you must have an endless supply of straw!
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Do you eat shellfish? Or wear mixed fibre clothing? Because those sure seemed important enough to include in the commandments.

Or are you saying that your god never knew that transgender would be a thing at some point in the future?

Or are you saying that the magic book is wrong? Surely dog would have known in advance.

How about slavery? Are you all good with slavery?

How about human sacrifice? Because the magic book is all good with that too.

And the list goes on. Drunken rape? Genocide? War? All OK by you?
It's bad enough that this thread has devolved into whether sex change operations are biblically lawful without all of the other cherry picked commandments thrown in as well.

"Judge not lest ye be judged" seems to cover most of it but YMMV.
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Back-to-back strawmen air tight rebuttals....
ftfy.
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Back-to-back strawmen.... you must have an endless supply of straw!
Exodus 5:11

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ftfy.
Nope, though one of the words in your FTFY does include the place where you pulled your arguments from!
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Nope, though one of the words in your FTFY does include the place where you pulled your arguments from!
Yep. Contrary to your belief, mere denial or contradiction does not rebut an argument.

Of course, you have nothing else which is why you focus on the arguer in your posts.
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I'm guessing that you don't regard a tribunal ruling as part of case law.

Found one yet?
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It's bad enough that this thread has devolved into whether sex change operations are biblically lawful without all of the other cherry picked commandments thrown in as well.

If you don’t want to discuss that, why not focus on supporting your claim that there is a tribunal ruling that supports your position?
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Old 18th October 2020, 01:30 AM   #435
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If you don’t want to discuss that, why not focus on supporting your claim that there is a tribunal ruling that supports your position?
This whole thread (aside from the derails) is about a tribunal ruling that her sacking on the grounds of "gross misconduct" was justified.
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This whole thread (aside from the derails) is about a tribunal ruling that her sacking on the grounds of "gross misconduct" was justified.

Yes, but you claim that there is a tribunal ruling that supports this:
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Anybody who quotes the bible, paraphrases the bible, makes statements consistent with the bible or indicates concurrence with what is written is the bible is to be labeled "homophobic" and punished.

The one this thread is about doesn’t. Try again.
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Yes, but you claim that there is a tribunal ruling that supports this:

The one this thread is about doesn’t. Try again.
You can believe that it is pure coincidence that her postings were on religious grounds if you wish.
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You can believe that it is pure coincidence that her postings were on religious grounds if you wish.

The ruling doesn’t support your claim. You need to find one (or some legislation if you prefer) that does, or withdraw the claim.
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The ruling doesn’t support your claim. You need to find one (or some legislation if you prefer) that does, or withdraw the claim.
If you believe that it is a pure coincidence then that is a reasonable conclusion.

If you were looking for a ruling that said "her sacking was justified on religious grounds" then you won't find anything so blatant.
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If you believe that it is a pure coincidence then that is a reasonable conclusion.

If you were looking for a ruling that said "her sacking was justified on religious grounds" then you won't find anything so blatant.

Please, read the ruling. It doesn’t say what you claim it does.
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