Bill Barr and his October Surprise - Page 17

Armitage72 · 20th October 2020, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

I believe the repair guy said Biden was drunk when he came in.

Rudy Giuliani said Biden was drunk when he came in. The repair guy said he wasn't sure Biden ever came in because he can't see. I'm not sure how those two get reconciled without resorting to "bald faced lie".

shuttlt · 20th October 2020, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

That was not my information.

If any of the Bidens had seen the material, they certainly would have insisted that the Post refrain from publishing personal information like phone numbers.

So maybe the Post asked for comments, but I would need an actual quote that they showed what they had in advance.

Where were you getting your information that the post hadn't contacted the Bidens? The original article from the post says that they did and summarises the response from Hunter Biden's lawyer.

TahiniBinShawarma · 20th October 2020, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

Rudy Giuliani said Biden was drunk when he came in. The repair guy said he wasn't sure Biden ever came in because he can't see. I'm not sure how those two get reconciled without resorting to "bald faced lie".

Actually he said “can't be 100 percent sure” no where does it say the person who is assumed to be Biden that dropped the laptop off wasn't drunk. Try harder.

Giordano · 20th October 2020, 08:52 AM

Apparently there are some stories too questionable for even Fox News to publish. And some of those too questionable for even a writer at the NY Post to include their byline on.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-...003834391.html

Can you imagine what huge, career making stories these would represent... if true? How sleazy they must have appeared to the journalists who had read them in detail and had the most intimate knowledge of them, only to walk away or cut any visible ties to them?

TahiniBinShawarma · 20th October 2020, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

We've mentioned that Hunter has money and so would probably never enter some rando's repair shop, let alone leave his PC there and never come back for it. I don't think anyone's brought up that an Apple user would probably go straight to Apple. Their service is one of the good reasons for buying their PCs...

But, of course, Hunter's been a substance abuser and that makes one forget everything.

Again, someone trying to make sense of a crack and/or meth addicts actions.

Giordano · 20th October 2020, 08:53 AM

Apparently there are some stories too questionable for even Fox News to publish. And some of those too questionable for even a writer at the NY Post to include their byline on.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-...003834391.html

Can you imagine what huge, career making stories these would represent... if true? How sleazy they must have appeared to the journalists who had read them in detail and had the most intimate knowledge of them, only to walk away or cut any visible ties to them?

shuttlt · 20th October 2020, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Giordano

Apparently there are some stories too questionable for even Fox News to publish. And some of those too questionable for even a writer at the NY Post to include their byline on.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-...003834391.html

Can you imagine what huge, career making stories these would represent... if true? How sleazy they must have appeared to the journalists who had read them in detail and had the most intimate knowledge of them, only to walk away or cut any visible ties to them?

Fox are now reporting that they have confirmed the story though...?

The Great Zaganza · 20th October 2020, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by shuttlt

Where were you getting your information that the post hadn't contacted the Bidens? The original article from the post says that they did and summarises the response from Hunter Biden's lawyer.

I'm not disputing that, only saying that I didn't know that before, and that the article should not have been published the way it was, and curious why the Biden law team didn't do more to prevent publication.

My guess now is that they saw how much this would be an own-goal for Trump and the Post.

shuttlt · 20th October 2020, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

I'm not disputing that, only saying that the article should not have been published the way it was, and curious why the Biden law team didn't do more to prevent publication.

My guess now is that they saw how much this would be an own-goal for Trump and the Post.

That's possible. Maybe the FBI will come out and confirm it is fake.

I'm not clear what the grounds would be for Biden to prevent them publishing that wouldn't mean Trump could have stopped the tax story.

TahiniBinShawarma · 20th October 2020, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Giordano

Apparently there are some stories too questionable for even Fox News to publish. And some of those too questionable for even a writer at the NY Post to include their byline on.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-...003834391.html

Can you imagine what huge, career making stories these would represent... if true? How sleazy they must have appeared to the journalists who had read them in detail and had the most intimate knowledge of them, only to walk away or cut any visible ties to them?

That's funny because people at fox did check and have since found two people copied on some of the emails who verified their authenticity. Then they reported on it with that supporting testimony to back it up.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...ource-verifies

Giordano · 20th October 2020, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

That's funny because people at fox did check and have since found two people copied on some of the emails who verified their authenticity. Then they reported on it with that supporting testimony to back it up.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...ource-verifies

There was nothing illegal for Hunter to arrange a deal with investments in China. The bigger deal would be if Joe Biden expressly traded influence in exchange for cash and your citation makes it clear that there is innuendo but no evidence that “the Big Guy” was Joe. Not enough to convince FOX News.

In fact I think the Big H is McDonald’s Special hamburger sauce🙂

shuttlt · 20th October 2020, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by Giordano

There was nothing illegal for Hunter to arrange a deal with investments in China. The bigger deal would be if Joe Biden expressly traded influence in exchange for cash and your citation makes it clear that there is innuendo but no evidence that “the Big Guy” was Joe. Not enough to convince FOX News.

In fact I think the Big H is McDonald’s Special hamburger sauce🙂

Don't Fox claim to have at least one of the recipients saying that the Big Guy is Joe?

Firestone · 20th October 2020, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by shuttlt

Don't Fox claim to have at least one of the recipients saying that the Big Guy is Joe?

They claim to have "sources" saying that Big Guy is Joe.
They also claim that they spoke to one of the people who was copied on the email, who confirmed its authenticity.

However, they don't claim that the "sources" and the people copied on the email are the same.

"Sources" could be Giuliani or Bannon, for all we know.

Quote:

Fox News spoke to one of the people who was copied on the email, who confirmed its authenticity.

Sources told Fox News that "the big guy" is a reference to the former vice president.

Segnosaur · 20th October 2020, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

That's funny because people at fox did check and have since found two people copied on some of the emails who verified their authenticity. Then they reported on it with that supporting testimony to back it up.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...ource-verifies

First of all, that article mentions the emails were confirmed by "sources".... Hmmm... no names given . I thought that according to Trump, if your source didn't name names, then it was "fake news".

Secondly... the claim is that email about Biden's dealings with china were verified. But that does not mean that ALL the email was verified. Inserting the occasional 'fake' email in with real email would be a typical tactic in trying to spread disinformation.

Lastly, we do not know how exactly this email was verified.... Forensic analysis? Or did they just ask someone "Does this look legit?" "Yeah might have sent something like that".

shuttlt · 20th October 2020, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Lastly, we do not know how exactly this email was verified.... Forensic analysis? Or did they just ask someone "Does this look legit?" "Yeah might have sent something like that".

See Firestone's email. Fox claim to have been in touch with a recipient of one of the emails.

TahiniBinShawarma · 20th October 2020, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

First of all, that article mentions the emails were confirmed by "sources".... Hmmm... no names given . I thought that according to Trump, if your source didn't name names, then it was "fake news".

Secondly... the claim is that email about Biden's dealings with china were verified. But that does not mean that ALL the email was verified. Inserting the occasional 'fake' email in with real email would be a typical tactic in trying to spread disinformation.

Lastly, we do not know how exactly this email was verified.... Forensic analysis? Or did they just ask someone "Does this look legit?" "Yeah might have sent something like that".

They confirmed certain email chains with participants in the chains. And it may surprise people, but I don't like the drip drip aspect. They should release the emails so the metadata can be confirmed. There could be "fake" emails inserted. That would require a fake Biden dropping the hardware off, or the repair guy lying.

TahiniBinShawarma · 20th October 2020, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Firestone

"Sources" could be Giuliani or Bannon, for all we know.

And could be someone else.

shuttlt · 20th October 2020, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

They confirmed certain email chains with participants in the chains. And it may surprise people, but I don't like the drip drip aspect. They should release the emails so the metadata can be confirmed. There could be "fake" emails inserted. That would require a fake Biden dropping the hardware off, or the repair guy lying.

Seems like a big con for some nobody repair shop guy to pull off. If it's fake, I'd find the Russian's more plausible.

TahiniBinShawarma · 20th October 2020, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by shuttlt

Seems like a big con for some nobody repair shop guy to pull off. If it's fake, I'd find the Russian's more plausible.

Same here, if anything I don't think the repair shop guy has anything to do with any fabrication. Not 100% against the Russians, but there isn't any evidence of that at this point.

The Great Zaganza · 20th October 2020, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

And could be someone else.

Right.

It could also be someone sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds

TahiniBinShawarma · 20th October 2020, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Right.

It could also be someone sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds

Sure, sure.

Babbylonian · 20th October 2020, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

Again, someone trying to make sense of a crack and/or meth addicts actions.

Again, more slander pretending to be evidence.

TahiniBinShawarma · 20th October 2020, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

Again, more slander pretending to be evidence.

And you just showed you have no idea what slander is, or evidence.

Lurch · 20th October 2020, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

Same with those working very hard to convince everyone it's nothing.

Who's having to work harder? The few pushing this uphill, against the indifference of the many.

kookbreaker · 20th October 2020, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

I believe the repair guy said Biden was drunk when he came in. I'll check for a cite on that. To my amateur opinion, the first half looks like a match, second half seems different, but we don't go with amateur analysis. Hell, even in court I'm sure you'd get 2 experts to say the opposite of one another anyway.

This is a .pdf (of a 1965 study) that has at least one example of a drunken signature. The characteristics there are not what the receipt signature shows.

https://scholarlycommons.law.northwe...3&context=jclc

surrogate · 20th October 2020, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

Same here, if anything I don't think the repair shop guy has anything to do with any fabrication. Not 100% against the Russians, but there isn't any evidence of that at this point.

If he was smart, he would have sold the data to Rudy for a lot of money. Maybe he did, I don't know. He admitted to snooping through the emails, which I would think would torpedo his business. I've fixed a fair number of computers for friends and their relatives, and never deemed it necessary to read their emails. I'm actually quite surprised he has been able to stay in business for 10 years fixing only Macs when there is an Apple Store only 15 minutes away.

fishbob · 20th October 2020, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

Actually he said “can't be 100 percent sure” no where does it say the person who is assumed to be Biden that dropped the laptop off wasn't drunk. Try harder.

No where does it say the person wasn't a space alien reptoid either.

This means we need to be prepared to be invaded by the space alien reptoid fleet.

PS - any word on Barr's condition?
I mean Covid, not his transformation into a space alien reptoid.

TahiniBinShawarma · 20th October 2020, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by kookbreaker

This is a .pdf (of a 1965 study) that has at least one example of a drunken signature. The characteristics there are not what the receipt signature shows.

https://scholarlycommons.law.northwe...3&context=jclc

Well, that settles it I guess lol.

shuttlt · 20th October 2020, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by surrogate

If he was smart, he would have sold the data to Rudy for a lot of money. Maybe he did, I don't know. He admitted to snooping through the emails, which I would think would torpedo his business. I've fixed a fair number of computers for friends and their relatives, and never deemed it necessary to read their emails. I'm actually quite surprised he has been able to stay in business for 10 years fixing only Macs when there is an Apple Store only 15 minutes away.

There is a long running battle about Apple declining to fix their own products and actively trying to frustrate the efforts of third parties to fix their products.

If the story is true, he only looked at the content of the laptop after it had become his property, and at a point where he was concerned it might contain evidence relating to the President's impeachment on it. Perhaps there will be an impact to his business, but it does seem like quite a unique set of circumstances.

TahiniBinShawarma · 20th October 2020, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by fishbob

No where does it say the person wasn't a space alien reptoid either.

This means we need to be prepared to be invaded by the space alien reptoid fleet.

PS - any word on Barr's condition?
I mean Covid, not his transformation into a space alien reptoid.

Cute, but no.

kookbreaker · 20th October 2020, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

Well, that settles it I guess lol.

I never said it 'settles it'. Why are you says such a thing? I noted the characteristics are not the same as shown. Its another data point to consider.

xjx388 · 20th October 2020, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by shuttlt

There is a long running battle about Apple declining to fix their own products and actively trying to frustrate the efforts of third parties to fix their products.

The second part is true; they want all service providers to be authorized. But, the first part is only true in a limited sense. They won't service items more than seven years after they stop selling it. They will continue to service items until five years after they stop selling it or longer if they have the inventory and/or are required by laws to do so. So, in 2019, Apple would definitely service a 2017 MacBook.

Quote:

If the story is true, he only looked at the content of the laptop after it had become his property, and at a point where he was concerned it might contain evidence relating to the President's impeachment on it. Perhaps there will be an impact to his business, but it does seem like quite a unique set of circumstances.

OK, but even if it's true that the laptop became legally his after X time, it's still a gross violation of privacy. The standard procedure of any legitimate shop would be to completely erase such laptops before reselling them. If it's possible that this shop makes a practice of looking through a user's files before erasing them . . . well, it's a good thing people know this now.

Basically, this guy just showed everyone that your worst fears (having your privacy violated by an unscrupulous and independent shop owner) are very very possible. An Authorized Apple shop or Apple itself isn't going to do this because the risks are too high. Apple has been very clear that they aren't in the business of turning over their user's info to law enforcement.

Firestone · 20th October 2020, 10:43 AM

Never mind

shuttlt · 20th October 2020, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by xjx388

OK, but even if it's true that the laptop became legally his after X time, it's still a gross violation of privacy. The standard procedure of any legitimate shop would be to completely erase such laptops before reselling them. If it's possible that this shop makes a practice of looking through a user's files before erasing them . . . well, it's a good thing people know this now.

He didn't resell it. He doesn't say he was checking it before erasing it. He claims to have been checking it because he thought it could have evidence on it relating to the impeachment. I'm not sure whether it is more or less of a breach of trust than leaking Trump's tax records.

Originally Posted by xjx388

Basically, this guy just showed everyone that your worst fears (having your privacy violated by an unscrupulous and independent shop owner) are very very possible. An Authorized Apple shop or Apple itself isn't going to do this because the risks are too high. Apple has been very clear that they aren't in the business of turning over their user's info to law enforcement.

Apple may well not have done this, but it clearly happens. PC World in the UK finding child porn on Gary Glitters laptop is the obvious example. We are living in a world where Facebook and Twitter go through people's private messages. Personally, if I had evidence that could be used to undermine a candidate for the Presidency's election chances, I wouldn't trust Apple either. Are we 100% sure that if Trump Jnr took a laptop into an Apple store for data recovery, and it contained the fabled Trump pee photos, we wouldn't get to hear about it?

Skeptic Ginger · 20th October 2020, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Here’s the kicker: the provenance of the laptop is actually the least interesting part of all this. The real issue is the authenticity of the emails themselves.

And Hunter isn’t claiming they aren’t real. I wonder why.

Why the **** should he? I posted this before.

You deny it and the idiots who think this story has real credibility will just call you a liar.

Next they'll say, well if this [absurdly ludicrous] story is not true, provide some evidence....

And on and on and on.

The story is crap! Why are you buying it?

fishbob · 20th October 2020, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

Cute, but no.

Logic fail documented and response fail noted.

Giordano · 20th October 2020, 10:59 AM

I agree that it is very unlikely the computer tech initiated the scam. I think someone else, probably Russians seeking to disrupt the election, used the computer tech to implant the bogus hard drive by offering it to Rudi.

Skeptic Ginger · 20th October 2020, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey

Without Fox News bothering to verify the signature on the invoice, they are spreading mere hearsay. By linking to their hearsay, you are also spreading hearsay. Hearsay is worthless and not evidence.

Here's a clip of Maria B on Fox drawing a pizzeria-conclusion about Hunter Biden and pedophilia. This is the level these idiots operate on:

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Here's more for your entertainment is the unbelievable thing, "the unmasking".

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JoeMorgue · 20th October 2020, 11:15 AM

*Wheels the chalkboard into the room...*

Okay so.... the evil Jewish cabal... in associations with the NWO (both the evil global conspiracy and the 90s Wrestling Stable)... built the Denver Airport... as a place to hide Hillary's E-mail server... to cover up the fact the she killed Vince Foster... to prevent him from talking about her secret underground pizza parlor child sex dungeon... and the pieces that connect the dots where all on Hunter Biden's laptop.

TahiniBinShawarma · 20th October 2020, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Why the **** should he? I posted this before.

You deny it and the idiots who think this story has real credibility will just call you a liar.

Next they'll say, well if this [absurdly ludicrous] story is not true, provide some evidence....

And on and on and on.

The story is crap! Why are you buying it?

Alternatively, you dont deny it, because they are your emails.

20th October 2020, 08:50 AM	#643
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Originally Posted by Armitage72 Rudy Giuliani said Biden was drunk when he came in. The repair guy said he wasn't sure Biden ever came in because he can't see. I'm not sure how those two get reconciled without resorting to "bald faced lie". Actually he said “can't be 100 percent sure” no where does it say the person who is assumed to be Biden that dropped the laptop off wasn't drunk. Try harder.
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20th October 2020, 08:52 AM	#645
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Originally Posted by Babbylonian We've mentioned that Hunter has money and so would probably never enter some rando's repair shop, let alone leave his PC there and never come back for it. I don't think anyone's brought up that an Apple user would probably go straight to Apple. Their service is one of the good reasons for buying their PCs... But, of course, Hunter's been a substance abuser and that makes one forget everything. Again, someone trying to make sense of a crack and/or meth addicts actions.
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20th October 2020, 08:54 AM	#648
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 19,344	Originally Posted by shuttlt Where were you getting your information that the post hadn't contacted the Bidens? The original article from the post says that they did and summarises the response from Hunter Biden's lawyer. I'm not disputing that, only saying that I didn't know that before, and that the article should not have been published the way it was, and curious why the Biden law team didn't do more to prevent publication. My guess now is that they saw how much this would be an own-goal for Trump and the Post.
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20th October 2020, 08:55 AM	#649
shuttlt Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 10,094	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza I'm not disputing that, only saying that the article should not have been published the way it was, and curious why the Biden law team didn't do more to prevent publication. My guess now is that they saw how much this would be an own-goal for Trump and the Post. That's possible. Maybe the FBI will come out and confirm it is fake. I'm not clear what the grounds would be for Biden to prevent them publishing that wouldn't mean Trump could have stopped the tax story.
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20th October 2020, 08:55 AM	#650
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Originally Posted by Giordano Apparently there are some stories too questionable for even Fox News to publish. And some of those too questionable for even a writer at the NY Post to include their byline on. https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-...003834391.html Can you imagine what huge, career making stories these would represent... if true? How sleazy they must have appeared to the journalists who had read them in detail and had the most intimate knowledge of them, only to walk away or cut any visible ties to them? That's funny because people at fox did check and have since found two people copied on some of the emails who verified their authenticity. Then they reported on it with that supporting testimony to back it up. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...ource-verifies
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20th October 2020, 08:43 AM	#641
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 7,566	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma I believe the repair guy said Biden was drunk when he came in. Rudy Giuliani said Biden was drunk when he came in. The repair guy said he wasn't sure Biden ever came in because he can't see. I'm not sure how those two get reconciled without resorting to "bald faced lie".

20th October 2020, 08:46 AM	#642
shuttlt Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 10,094	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza That was not my information. If any of the Bidens had seen the material, they certainly would have insisted that the Post refrain from publishing personal information like phone numbers. So maybe the Post asked for comments, but I would need an actual quote that they showed what they had in advance. Where were you getting your information that the post hadn't contacted the Bidens? The original article from the post says that they did and summarises the response from Hunter Biden's lawyer.

20th October 2020, 08:52 AM	#644
Giordano Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 17,646	Apparently there are some stories too questionable for even Fox News to publish. And some of those too questionable for even a writer at the NY Post to include their byline on. https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-...003834391.html Can you imagine what huge, career making stories these would represent... if true? How sleazy they must have appeared to the journalists who had read them in detail and had the most intimate knowledge of them, only to walk away or cut any visible ties to them?

20th October 2020, 08:53 AM	#646
Giordano Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 17,646	Apparently there are some stories too questionable for even Fox News to publish. And some of those too questionable for even a writer at the NY Post to include their byline on. https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-...003834391.html Can you imagine what huge, career making stories these would represent... if true? How sleazy they must have appeared to the journalists who had read them in detail and had the most intimate knowledge of them, only to walk away or cut any visible ties to them?

20th October 2020, 08:53 AM	#647
shuttlt Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 10,094	Originally Posted by Giordano Apparently there are some stories too questionable for even Fox News to publish. And some of those too questionable for even a writer at the NY Post to include their byline on. https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-...003834391.html Can you imagine what huge, career making stories these would represent... if true? How sleazy they must have appeared to the journalists who had read them in detail and had the most intimate knowledge of them, only to walk away or cut any visible ties to them? Fox are now reporting that they have confirmed the story though...?

20th October 2020, 09:16 AM	#651
Giordano Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 17,646	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma That's funny because people at fox did check and have since found two people copied on some of the emails who verified their authenticity. Then they reported on it with that supporting testimony to back it up. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...ource-verifies There was nothing illegal for Hunter to arrange a deal with investments in China. The bigger deal would be if Joe Biden expressly traded influence in exchange for cash and your citation makes it clear that there is innuendo but no evidence that “the Big Guy” was Joe. Not enough to convince FOX News. In fact I think the Big H is McDonald’s Special hamburger sauce🙂

20th October 2020, 09:18 AM	#652
shuttlt Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 10,094	Originally Posted by Giordano There was nothing illegal for Hunter to arrange a deal with investments in China. The bigger deal would be if Joe Biden expressly traded influence in exchange for cash and your citation makes it clear that there is innuendo but no evidence that “the Big Guy” was Joe. Not enough to convince FOX News. In fact I think the Big H is McDonald’s Special hamburger sauce🙂 Don't Fox claim to have at least one of the recipients saying that the Big Guy is Joe?

20th October 2020, 09:25 AM	#653
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 3,017	Originally Posted by shuttlt Don't Fox claim to have at least one of the recipients saying that the Big Guy is Joe? They claim to have "sources" saying that Big Guy is Joe. They also claim that they spoke to one of the people who was copied on the email, who confirmed its authenticity. However, they don't claim that the "sources" and the people copied on the email are the same. "Sources" could be Giuliani or Bannon, for all we know. Quote: Fox News spoke to one of the people who was copied on the email, who confirmed its authenticity. Sources told Fox News that "the big guy" is a reference to the former vice president.
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20th October 2020, 09:26 AM	#654
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 19,527	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma That's funny because people at fox did check and have since found two people copied on some of the emails who verified their authenticity. Then they reported on it with that supporting testimony to back it up. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...ource-verifies First of all, that article mentions the emails were confirmed by "sources".... Hmmm... no names given . I thought that according to Trump, if your source didn't name names, then it was "fake news". Secondly... the claim is that email about Biden's dealings with china were verified. But that does not mean that ALL the email was verified. Inserting the occasional 'fake' email in with real email would be a typical tactic in trying to spread disinformation. Lastly, we do not know how exactly this email was verified.... Forensic analysis? Or did they just ask someone "Does this look legit?" "Yeah might have sent something like that".
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20th October 2020, 09:28 AM	#655
shuttlt Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 10,094	Originally Posted by Segnosaur Lastly, we do not know how exactly this email was verified.... Forensic analysis? Or did they just ask someone "Does this look legit?" "Yeah might have sent something like that". See Firestone's email. Fox claim to have been in touch with a recipient of one of the emails.

20th October 2020, 09:35 AM	#656
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Originally Posted by Segnosaur First of all, that article mentions the emails were confirmed by "sources".... Hmmm... no names given . I thought that according to Trump, if your source didn't name names, then it was "fake news". Secondly... the claim is that email about Biden's dealings with china were verified. But that does not mean that ALL the email was verified. Inserting the occasional 'fake' email in with real email would be a typical tactic in trying to spread disinformation. Lastly, we do not know how exactly this email was verified.... Forensic analysis? Or did they just ask someone "Does this look legit?" "Yeah might have sent something like that". They confirmed certain email chains with participants in the chains. And it may surprise people, but I don't like the drip drip aspect. They should release the emails so the metadata can be confirmed. There could be "fake" emails inserted. That would require a fake Biden dropping the hardware off, or the repair guy lying.
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20th October 2020, 09:37 AM	#657
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Originally Posted by Firestone "Sources" could be Giuliani or Bannon, for all we know. And could be someone else.
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20th October 2020, 09:38 AM	#658
shuttlt Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 10,094	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma They confirmed certain email chains with participants in the chains. And it may surprise people, but I don't like the drip drip aspect. They should release the emails so the metadata can be confirmed. There could be "fake" emails inserted. That would require a fake Biden dropping the hardware off, or the repair guy lying. Seems like a big con for some nobody repair shop guy to pull off. If it's fake, I'd find the Russian's more plausible.

20th October 2020, 09:40 AM	#659
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Originally Posted by shuttlt Seems like a big con for some nobody repair shop guy to pull off. If it's fake, I'd find the Russian's more plausible. Same here, if anything I don't think the repair shop guy has anything to do with any fabrication. Not 100% against the Russians, but there isn't any evidence of that at this point.
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20th October 2020, 09:40 AM	#660
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 19,344	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma And could be someone else. Right. It could also be someone sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds
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20th October 2020, 09:46 AM	#661
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Right. It could also be someone sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds Sure, sure.
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20th October 2020, 09:55 AM	#662
Babbylonian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,988	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma Again, someone trying to make sense of a crack and/or meth addicts actions. Again, more slander pretending to be evidence.

20th October 2020, 09:59 AM	#663
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Originally Posted by Babbylonian Again, more slander pretending to be evidence. And you just showed you have no idea what slander is, or evidence.
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20th October 2020, 10:02 AM	#664
Lurch Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Ottawa Posts: 2,319	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma Same with those working very hard to convince everyone it's nothing. Who's having to work harder? The few pushing this uphill, against the indifference of the many.

20th October 2020, 10:03 AM	#665
kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,332	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma I believe the repair guy said Biden was drunk when he came in. I'll check for a cite on that. To my amateur opinion, the first half looks like a match, second half seems different, but we don't go with amateur analysis. Hell, even in court I'm sure you'd get 2 experts to say the opposite of one another anyway. This is a .pdf (of a 1965 study) that has at least one example of a drunken signature. The characteristics there are not what the receipt signature shows. https://scholarlycommons.law.northwe...3&context=jclc
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20th October 2020, 10:06 AM	#666
surrogate Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Somewhere within the Orion Arm (aka NJ, USA) Posts: 492	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma Same here, if anything I don't think the repair shop guy has anything to do with any fabrication. Not 100% against the Russians, but there isn't any evidence of that at this point. If he was smart, he would have sold the data to Rudy for a lot of money. Maybe he did, I don't know. He admitted to snooping through the emails, which I would think would torpedo his business. I've fixed a fair number of computers for friends and their relatives, and never deemed it necessary to read their emails. I'm actually quite surprised he has been able to stay in business for 10 years fixing only Macs when there is an Apple Store only 15 minutes away.

20th October 2020, 10:07 AM	#667
fishbob Seasonally Disaffected Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chilly Undieville Posts: 7,312	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma Actually he said “can't be 100 percent sure” no where does it say the person who is assumed to be Biden that dropped the laptop off wasn't drunk. Try harder. No where does it say the person wasn't a space alien reptoid either. This means we need to be prepared to be invaded by the space alien reptoid fleet. PS - any word on Barr's condition? I mean Covid, not his transformation into a space alien reptoid.
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20th October 2020, 10:09 AM	#668
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Originally Posted by kookbreaker This is a .pdf (of a 1965 study) that has at least one example of a drunken signature. The characteristics there are not what the receipt signature shows. https://scholarlycommons.law.northwe...3&context=jclc Well, that settles it I guess lol.
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20th October 2020, 10:12 AM	#669
shuttlt Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 10,094	Originally Posted by surrogate If he was smart, he would have sold the data to Rudy for a lot of money. Maybe he did, I don't know. He admitted to snooping through the emails, which I would think would torpedo his business. I've fixed a fair number of computers for friends and their relatives, and never deemed it necessary to read their emails. I'm actually quite surprised he has been able to stay in business for 10 years fixing only Macs when there is an Apple Store only 15 minutes away. There is a long running battle about Apple declining to fix their own products and actively trying to frustrate the efforts of third parties to fix their products. If the story is true, he only looked at the content of the laptop after it had become his property, and at a point where he was concerned it might contain evidence relating to the President's impeachment on it. Perhaps there will be an impact to his business, but it does seem like quite a unique set of circumstances.

20th October 2020, 10:14 AM	#670
TahiniBinShawarma Muse Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 756	Originally Posted by fishbob No where does it say the person wasn't a space alien reptoid either. This means we need to be prepared to be invaded by the space alien reptoid fleet. PS - any word on Barr's condition? I mean Covid, not his transformation into a space alien reptoid. Cute, but no.
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20th October 2020, 10:15 AM	#671
kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,332	Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma Well, that settles it I guess lol. I never said it 'settles it'. Why are you says such a thing? I noted the characteristics are not the same as shown. Its another data point to consider.
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20th October 2020, 10:40 AM	#672
xjx388 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 11,312	Originally Posted by shuttlt There is a long running battle about Apple declining to fix their own products and actively trying to frustrate the efforts of third parties to fix their products. The second part is true; they want all service providers to be authorized. But, the first part is only true in a limited sense. They won't service items more than seven years after they stop selling it. They will continue to service items until five years after they stop selling it or longer if they have the inventory and/or are required by laws to do so. So, in 2019, Apple would definitely service a 2017 MacBook. Quote: If the story is true, he only looked at the content of the laptop after it had become his property, and at a point where he was concerned it might contain evidence relating to the President's impeachment on it. Perhaps there will be an impact to his business, but it does seem like quite a unique set of circumstances. OK, but even if it's true that the laptop became legally his after X time, it's still a gross violation of privacy. The standard procedure of any legitimate shop would be to completely erase such laptops before reselling them. If it's possible that this shop makes a practice of looking through a user's files before erasing them . . . well, it's a good thing people know this now. Basically, this guy just showed everyone that your worst fears (having your privacy violated by an unscrupulous and independent shop owner) are very very possible. An Authorized Apple shop or Apple itself isn't going to do this because the risks are too high. Apple has been very clear that they aren't in the business of turning over their user's info to law enforcement.
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20th October 2020, 10:43 AM	#673
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20th October 2020, 10:52 AM	#674
shuttlt Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 10,094	Originally Posted by xjx388 OK, but even if it's true that the laptop became legally his after X time, it's still a gross violation of privacy. The standard procedure of any legitimate shop would be to completely erase such laptops before reselling them. If it's possible that this shop makes a practice of looking through a user's files before erasing them . . . well, it's a good thing people know this now. He didn't resell it. He doesn't say he was checking it before erasing it. He claims to have been checking it because he thought it could have evidence on it relating to the impeachment. I'm not sure whether it is more or less of a breach of trust than leaking Trump's tax records. Originally Posted by xjx388 Basically, this guy just showed everyone that your worst fears (having your privacy violated by an unscrupulous and independent shop owner) are very very possible. An Authorized Apple shop or Apple itself isn't going to do this because the risks are too high. Apple has been very clear that they aren't in the business of turning over their user's info to law enforcement. Apple may well not have done this, but it clearly happens. PC World in the UK finding child porn on Gary Glitters laptop is the obvious example. We are living in a world where Facebook and Twitter go through people's private messages. Personally, if I had evidence that could be used to undermine a candidate for the Presidency's election chances, I wouldn't trust Apple either. Are we 100% sure that if Trump Jnr took a laptop into an Apple store for data recovery, and it contained the fabled Trump pee photos, we wouldn't get to hear about it?
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20th October 2020, 10:54 AM	#675
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 93,023	Originally Posted by Ziggurat Here’s the kicker: the provenance of the laptop is actually the least interesting part of all this. The real issue is the authenticity of the emails themselves. And Hunter isn’t claiming they aren’t real. I wonder why. Why the **** should he? I posted this before. You deny it and the idiots who think this story has real credibility will just call you a liar. Next they'll say, well if this [absurdly ludicrous] story is not true, provide some evidence.... And on and on and on. The story is crap! Why are you buying it?