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Old 4th January 2021, 05:06 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
The robots are definitely dancing. It is undoubtedly a pre-determined routine, as are many human dances. What they probably are not doing is using external audio as a cue for the timing. But then, why would they? Robots can keep time perfectly internally. Humans aren't very good at that, that's part of why we mostly dance to the music.

An awful lot of humans attempt to but also aren't very good at dancing to the music. In these pandemic times, I might describe it as dancing with the music. Some men listen to the music for the first ten seconds or so, then try to internalize it, for the rest of the song, they follow their own inner rhythm instead of the actual music. I have watched in fascination when they lag more and more behind, sometimes for a hundred beats or so, until the music catches up with them again, a feat that would actually be very difficult to achieve on purpose.
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Old 4th January 2021, 06:47 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
An awful lot of humans attempt to but also aren't very good at dancing to the music.
True enough. The point is still that if you've got a perfect internal timer, you don't need to follow external audio clues for pre-recorded music where you already know the timing.

Adding in the ability to slow down or speed up the dance to match changes in music tempo would be challenging and cool, but that's not really the point of this demonstration.
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Old 4th January 2021, 07:40 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by erlando View Post
Does anyone really think this is robots autonomously listening and interpreting music on the fly and dancing?
Of course not. But when you watch a music video with human dancers, that's all choreographed and practiced in advance.

When you watch a ballet, they certainly aren't making that up on the fly. It's all predetermined and practiced over and over in advance until the movements are perfected. Isn't that what dance is?
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Old 4th January 2021, 08:21 AM   #44
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Robots fight back. https://youtu.be/dKjCWfuvYxQ
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Old 4th January 2021, 10:20 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by Steve001 View Post
Robots fight back. https://youtu.be/dKjCWfuvYxQ
In case people don't know, this isn't actually a robot. A human actor was motion captured and replaced with a CGI robot afterwards.

In terms of robots fighting back, I like this one:

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The video is actual Boston Dynamics footage, but with redone audio to make it slightly horrifying.

"ENOUGH, DAN, FATHER OF SALLY AND JOHNATHAN."
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Old 4th January 2021, 03:44 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
In case people don't know, this isn't actually a robot. A human actor was motion captured and replaced with a CGI robot afterwards.

In terms of robots fighting back, I like this one:

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The video is actual Boston Dynamics footage, but with redone audio to make it slightly horrifying.

"ENOUGH, DAN, FATHER OF SALLY AND JOHNATHAN."
I must admit not being to up to date with what BD can accomplish with their robots I was fooled though I did notice some decidedly unexpected human like moves not withstanding the two kicks near the end.
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Old 4th January 2021, 04:04 PM   #47
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Both those humanoid robots should be named Gene.

(anyone not getting that reference should get the Gong!)
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Old 4th January 2021, 04:11 PM   #48
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I must admit not being to up to date with what BD can accomplish with their robots I was fooled though I did notice some decidedly unexpected human like moves not withstanding the two kicks near the end.
The video is real. Only the audio was added. The original Boston Dynamics video is below.

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Old 5th January 2021, 03:49 AM   #49
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When they almost stumble, that's when they look most human.
Having them walk around in the snow looks like a scene in Tales from the Loop:
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The indoor scene the the boxes reminds me more of Lucy and Charlie Brown.
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Old 5th January 2021, 04:14 AM   #50
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Of course not. But when you watch a music video with human dancers, that's all choreographed and practiced in advance.

When you watch a ballet, they certainly aren't making that up on the fly. It's all predetermined and practiced over and over in advance until the movements are perfected. Isn't that what dance is?

No, not quite. Their steps and movements may be choreographed, but they still have to follow the rhythm. If the music is not pre-recorded, the orchestra may change the speed slightly. There is also improvisational dancing. And in ordinary partner dances, the woman (usually) has to follow the man who's leading, while also keeping steps in sync with the rhythm of the music.

Over the years, I have watched many women being led by men who were out of sync with the music. They are often very good at hiding how frustrating the experience is.
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Old 5th January 2021, 04:39 AM   #51
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Is there any work or partnership with researchers into robotic limbs for disabled folk? Thinking about robotic legs that could be directionally controlled by someone wearing them?
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Old 5th January 2021, 05:52 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
The video is real. Only the audio was added. The original Boston Dynamics video is below.

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The video link I posted was a cgi. This is how it was done. https://youtu.be/gCuG-KJacp8
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The video link I posted was a cgi. This is how it was done. https://youtu.be/gCuG-KJacp8
Mea culpa. I lost track of which video was being discussed.
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Old 7th January 2021, 06:54 AM   #54
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Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
Mea culpa. I lost track of which video was being discussed.
Who doesn't? ☺
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Old 13th January 2021, 08:27 PM   #55
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Is there any work or partnership with researchers into robotic limbs for disabled folk? Thinking about robotic legs that could be directionally controlled by someone wearing them?
Yes. There are several labs working on prosthetic technology. I don't know whether Boston Dynamics is involved, but I've seen some pretty amazing stuff.
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Old 14th January 2021, 12:53 AM   #56
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Yes. There are several labs working on prosthetic technology. I don't know whether Boston Dynamics is involved, but I've seen some pretty amazing stuff.
Yeah, I don't know about BD involvement but advanced prosthetics is a major investmentment dev field.
The trick (for investors) is picking the likely breakthrough artists. I expect attention to landmines over the decades (and Princess Di) pushed dev investment.
We're a long way from AI/neural/brain prosthetics, but MILLIONS of folks would be grateful for each incremental advance.
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She is the dancing queen, young and sweet, an AI machine.
Dancing queen, see her shake to a subroutine...
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This is Adam Savage again, but they break down how the dance moves work. This video dropped just yesterday.

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Coordinating the dance moves to music would have been a masterpiece of timing - the moves don't necessarily end exactly when you want them to - they'd have to be tweaked endlessly. Genius.

I presume Atlas has a similar programming interface.
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