Proud Boys proudly run like wussies from Portland PD - Page 2

GodMark2 · 10th January 2021, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

"Back the Blue" from the fascists is very much a transactional position. They like the cops when either the cops beat up their political enemies, or, more likely, look the other way while fascists engage in extralegal violence themselves.

It's routine to see these overt fascists or MAGA CHUDs having a freakout whenever they are the subject of even the lowest level of crowd control policing. It's quite clear that they believe the violence of the state should only apply to their enemies.

Plenty of examples of police tacitly acknowledging this arrangement, and the disparity in police response when it comes to right wing vs left wing demonstrations is undeniable. The few examples of this arrangement failing does not mean that the police are not broadly sympathetic to the fascist ideology.

The very reason for the existence of this group of rioters was a freakout from being the subject of the lowest level of crowd control policing. They were "protesting" the state's "please work from home if able" request.

Babbylonian · 10th January 2021, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

I now have a vision of them doing that . . . in their clown cars. Damn you!

Don't insult clowns. Clown cars contain many clowns; their record on carpooling is unsurpassed. Shriners drive cars that barely fit one Shriner.

Horatius · 10th January 2021, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Thermal

Not clear on this OP. The video shows the proud bitches being openly confrontational with police, and retreating when being clubbed and shot with paintball guns amidst a cloud of gas (pepper?). People generally do back off when being shot and hit with batons, yeah. Not sure if that makes them wussies. Their ideology and tactics already did that.

Well, yeah, that's the point. They like to talk tough about how they're looking for fights and won't back down, but they only ever fight when they have a significant advantage, and run when confronted by someone who can actually fight back. They're not looking to fight, they're looking to commit assault.

Thermal · 10th January 2021, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Well, yeah, that's the point. They like to talk tough about how they're looking for fights and won't back down, but they only ever fight when they have a significant advantage, and run when confronted by someone who can actually fight back. They're not looking to fight, they're looking to commit assault.

I guess that's what threw me. Providing a link to pbs being cowardly is like linking to data claiming water is wet.

dudalb · 10th January 2021, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Well, yeah, that's the point. They like to talk tough about how they're looking for fights and won't back down, but they only ever fight when they have a significant advantage, and run when confronted by someone who can actually fight back. They're not looking to fight, they're looking to commit assault.

The term is Poltroon. Someone how is a coward under a great show of fake bravado.

dudalb · 10th January 2021, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Which of course means none of these idiots would do it, right?

I hoop you are not insinutating I am a Trump supporter. Them's fighting words...

Horatius · 11th January 2021, 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I hoop you are not insinutating I am a Trump supporter. Them's fighting words...

You'd said "Not a big Antifa fan at all, but blaming them for this is idiotic." I was indirectly pointing out that the Trumpistas are, in fact, idiots, and did, in fact, try to blame Antifa.

That anyone might have been surprised by this "tactic" of theirs is what's really surprising. "Antifa did it!" has been one of the constant themes they've used to deflect responsibility for their own actions.

Horatius · 11th January 2021, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by Thermal

I guess that's what threw me. Providing a link to pbs being cowardly is like linking to data claiming water is wet.

The fish who swim in the ocean of White Supremacist water probably do need such a link.

10th January 2021, 12:13 PM	#41
GodMark2 Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 2,185	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey "Back the Blue" from the fascists is very much a transactional position. They like the cops when either the cops beat up their political enemies, or, more likely, look the other way while fascists engage in extralegal violence themselves. It's routine to see these overt fascists or MAGA CHUDs having a freakout whenever they are the subject of even the lowest level of crowd control policing. It's quite clear that they believe the violence of the state should only apply to their enemies. Plenty of examples of police tacitly acknowledging this arrangement, and the disparity in police response when it comes to right wing vs left wing demonstrations is undeniable. The few examples of this arrangement failing does not mean that the police are not broadly sympathetic to the fascist ideology. The very reason for the existence of this group of rioters was a freakout from being the subject of the lowest level of crowd control policing. They were "protesting" the state's "please work from home if able" request.
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10th January 2021, 01:32 PM	#43
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,002	Originally Posted by Thermal Not clear on this OP. The video shows the proud bitches being openly confrontational with police, and retreating when being clubbed and shot with paintball guns amidst a cloud of gas (pepper?). People generally do back off when being shot and hit with batons, yeah. Not sure if that makes them wussies. Their ideology and tactics already did that. Well, yeah, that's the point. They like to talk tough about how they're looking for fights and won't back down, but they only ever fight when they have a significant advantage, and run when confronted by someone who can actually fight back. They're not looking to fight, they're looking to commit assault.
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10th January 2021, 01:46 PM	#44
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 13,421	Originally Posted by Horatius Well, yeah, that's the point. They like to talk tough about how they're looking for fights and won't back down, but they only ever fight when they have a significant advantage, and run when confronted by someone who can actually fight back. They're not looking to fight, they're looking to commit assault. I guess that's what threw me. Providing a link to pbs being cowardly is like linking to data claiming water is wet.
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10th January 2021, 09:25 PM	#45
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,306	Originally Posted by Horatius Well, yeah, that's the point. They like to talk tough about how they're looking for fights and won't back down, but they only ever fight when they have a significant advantage, and run when confronted by someone who can actually fight back. They're not looking to fight, they're looking to commit assault. The term is Poltroon. Someone how is a coward under a great show of fake bravado.
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10th January 2021, 09:26 PM	#46
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,306	Originally Posted by Horatius Which of course means none of these idiots would do it, right? I hoop you are not insinutating I am a Trump supporter. Them's fighting words...
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10th January 2021, 01:23 PM	#42
Babbylonian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,475	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto I now have a vision of them doing that . . . in their clown cars. Damn you! Don't insult clowns. Clown cars contain many clowns; their record on carpooling is unsurpassed. Shriners drive cars that barely fit one Shriner.

11th January 2021, 05:39 AM	#47
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,002	Originally Posted by dudalb I hoop you are not insinutating I am a Trump supporter. Them's fighting words... You'd said "Not a big Antifa fan at all, but blaming them for this is idiotic." I was indirectly pointing out that the Trumpistas are, in fact, idiots, and did, in fact, try to blame Antifa. That anyone might have been surprised by this "tactic" of theirs is what's really surprising. "Antifa did it!" has been one of the constant themes they've used to deflect responsibility for their own actions.
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11th January 2021, 05:41 AM	#48
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,002	Originally Posted by Thermal I guess that's what threw me. Providing a link to pbs being cowardly is like linking to data claiming water is wet. The fish who swim in the ocean of White Supremacist water probably do need such a link.
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