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Old 9th January 2021, 09:55 PM   #1
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Trump has been banned from at least twelve social media sites

at last count. I'd dance, if I could wallk...
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Old 9th January 2021, 10:05 PM   #2
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I would be a critic of this if social media were not in the business of curating content but that is what they do: they curate content. They are not an ISP, a web forum, or an email server that is content-neutral, they are active curators and as such, need to take responsibility for the content that they choose to curate.
I read it was the employees of Twitter that made this possible. Now there is great pressure on Amazon, from both internal and external, to not provide hosting services to Parlor. Good. Parlor of course, is doomed from the start. What good is it to be a NAZI if there is nobody out there to trigger?
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Old 9th January 2021, 11:56 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by portlandatheist View Post
I would be a critic of this if social media were not in the business of curating content but that is what they do: they curate content. They are not an ISP, a web forum, or an email server that is content-neutral, they are active curators and as such, need to take responsibility for the content that they choose to curate.
I read it was the employees of Twitter that made this possible. Now there is great pressure on Amazon, from both internal and external, to not provide hosting services to Parlor. Good. Parlor of course, is doomed from the start. What good is it to be a NAZI if there is nobody out there to trigger?
Amazon has apparently already decided to boot Parler within the next 24 hours.
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Trump has been banned from at least twelve social media sites
I am trying to think of what those sites might be. Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat, and Instagram are obvious. Probably TicToc and Youtube too (if Trump or the administration had an account on either.) What other social media sites are there?

(I know he's been taken off Shopify, but I'm not sure that counts as a social media site.)
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I am trying to think of what those sites might be. Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat, and Instagram are obvious. Probably TicToc and Youtube too (if Trump or the administration had an account on either.) What other social media sites are there?

(I know he's been taken off Shopify, but I'm not sure that counts as a social media site.)
Reddit & Tiktok

Google and Apple have banned the Parler app from their play-stores

Pinterest has prevented users from sharing baseless claims Trump has made about election fraud.
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I am trying to think of what those sites might be.

Social media platforms banning or restricting Donald Trump in wake of US Capitol violence (ABC.net.au, Jan. 10, 2021)
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So, he still has Pornhub access then?
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Perhaps Trump can establish an account on ISF and bring his millions of followers here! Wouldn't that be wonderful?
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Perhaps Trump can establish an account on ISF and bring his millions of followers here! Wouldn't that be wonderful?
How do we know he's not already here?

Has anyone tracked any of our resident Trump supporters and the time of their postings to see if they correspond with Trump's on-line activity?

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He's not here because if he was, he would have made it public knowledge and brought millions of his idiot followers with him. He also certainly would have gotten himself banned quickly.
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Social media banning should be measured on the Loomer Scale.

Laura Loomer notably cannot even get takeout from Uber Eats because she's managed to get herself banned from pretty much every mainstream outlet. Truly impressive commitment to being vile.

Trump is getting himself up there, but I think he can probably still get a sandwich delivered.
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Trump is getting himself up there, but I think he can probably still get a sandwich delivered.
Only if he pays in advance...
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Yes I am fully aware simply by watching every Trump supporter and every pedantic apologist completely pretend they don't know what Censorship or the First Amendment is.
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He's not here because if he was, he would have made it public knowledge and brought millions of his idiot followers with him. He also certainly would have gotten himself banned quickly.
I imagine with quiet amusement how much work for the admins that would be.
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Social media banning should be measured on the Loomer Scale.

Laura Loomer notably cannot even get takeout from Uber Eats because she's managed to get herself banned from pretty much every mainstream outlet. Truly impressive commitment to being vile.
Is that true? I mean, I'd like to think it is.
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Is that true? I mean, I'd like to think it is.
It's true. She was banned from Uber because she complained that she didn't want rides from Muslim drivers.
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It's true. She was banned from Uber because she complained that she didn't want rides from Muslim drivers.
I don't know how I missed that one.
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I don't know how I missed that one.
I'm low-key depressed because I know about it.
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Reddit & Tiktok

Google and Apple have banned the Parler app from their play-stores

Pinterest has prevented users from sharing baseless claims Trump has made about election fraud.
reddit is a cesspool anyway.
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reddit is a cesspool anyway.
Reddit is a broad platform used in a lot of different ways.

r/homeimprovement is hands down the most useful resources for problem solving house issues on the web.

A lot of specialized subreddits are very unique, useful, friendly places
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Irony is that Trump still has a huge megaphone..he is POTUS and can command a huge audience by just having a press conference of making an address to the nation...but he has no idea how to effecitvely do that. He is so adicted to twitter that he has sort of forgotten how to use any other means of mass communication effectively.
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reddit is a cesspool anyway.
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The good thing about reddit though is there are sub-reddits that are great and full of interesting people... r/spacex for example - is strictly moderated; moon hoaxers, flat earthers, space deniers get banned in minutes and their posts removed.

On r/spacex we've had several engineers from SpaceX in question and answer sessions, including Hans Koenigsmann, Kate Tice, Lauren Lyons, and Elon himself, as well as Gwynne Shotwell and principal integration engineer John Insprucker, NASA's Jim Bridenstine and astronauts Bob Behnken and Doug Hurley.
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Irony is that Trump still has a huge megaphone..he is POTUS and can command a huge audience by just having a press conference of making an address to the nation...but he has no idea how to effecitvely do that. He is so adicted to twitter that he has sort of forgotten how to use any other means of mass communication effectively.
No Tweets, no Sunday Morning talk shows. No updates period. (Well, from VP Pence, either.) I highly doubt he (or even his flunky) is going to have any more press conferences or even address the gaggle of press when going to the helicopter until his term is up.
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I imagine with quiet amusement how much work for the admins that would be.
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He's not here because if he was, he would have made it public knowledge and brought millions of his idiot followers with him. He also certainly would have gotten himself banned quickly.
So what rules would he violate here given his behaviour elsewhere? His call for violence is one. He would be able to say the election was unfair or other problems with it without breaching the rules. Though if he does decide to go to a forum I think there would be better forums for him than this one. Maybe a CT one?

I would agree whatever forum he does go to it would attract many followers.
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So what rules would he violate here given his behaviour elsewhere? His call for violence is one. He would be able to say the election was unfair or other problems with it without breaching the rules.

He'd threaten to sue the forum the moment someone contradicted him, and that would be that.
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at last count. I'd dance, if I could wallk...

He's on track to beat his recent courtroom record.
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So what rules would he violate here given his behaviour elsewhere? His call for violence is one. He would be able to say the election was unfair or other problems with it without breaching the rules. Though if he does decide to go to a forum I think there would be better forums for him than this one. Maybe a CT one?

I would agree whatever forum he does go to it would attract many followers.
Something tells me that Trump would fall afoul of addressing the arguer rather than the argument in virtually every post he makes. I don't think that's a rule he could comprehend at all.

As opposed to every other rule he has comprehended...uh, bigly?

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With commercial value about to plummet they make this decision.

Not comfortable with even the perception of technology giants as speech gatekeepers.
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With commercial value about to plummet they make this decision.

Not comfortable with even the perception of technology giants as speech gatekeepers.
Of course, they are not "speech gatekeepers", nor do they pretend or attempt to be. They are private, for-profit companies, protecting their own interests and those of their shareholders and advertisers - that is something they are perfectly entitled to do. They are also exercising their free speech rights not to be associated with purveyors of lies and misinformation.

My only concern with the banning of Trump is that it is too little, too late. Trump should have been banned from these platforms right about the time he started with the birther conspiracy.

As for the claims that Trump is being muzzled by big tech, that is just a big fat lie. Trump is the president (at least for the next few days) - he has his own bully pulpit, he can call a press conference and tell anyone in the world anything he wants.
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Of course, they are not "speech gatekeepers", nor do they pretend or attempt to be. They are private, for-profit companies, protecting their own interests and those of their shareholders and advertisers - that is something they are perfectly entitled to do. They are also exercising their free speech rights not to be associated with purveyors of lies and misinformation.

My only concern with the banning of Trump is that it is too little, too late. Trump should have been banned from these platforms right about the time he started with the birther conspiracy.

As for the claims that Trump is being muzzled by big tech, that is just a big fat lie. Trump is the president (at least for the next few days) - he has his own bully pulpit, he can call a press conference and tell anyone in the world anything he wants.
I used the term perception with purpose.

You underplayed the monopoly they build for themselves as public speech platforms.
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No Tweets, no Sunday Morning talk shows. No updates period. (Well, from VP Pence, either.) I highly doubt he (or even his flunky) is going to have any more press conferences or even address the gaggle of press when going to the helicopter until his term is up.
Trump is screaming loudly about being silenced, when there are plenty of means at his disposal , even without twitter, to for him to get his message out.
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I used the term perception with purpose.

You underplayed the monopoly they build for themselves as public speech platforms.
But you would be OK with the government having a monopoly on sppech platforms
Point is that they can be challegned by new companies and new technologies.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Trump is screaming loudly about being silenced, when there are plenty of means at his disposal , even without twitter, to for him to get his message out.
He could get Capt. Swoop on the phone!
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Old 10th January 2021, 09:14 PM   #39
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
But you would be OK with the government having a monopoly on sppech platforms
Point is that they can be challegned by new companies and new technologies.
Not sure where your first bit comes from or is going.

Parler are a new company being squeezed out by the giants, Google, Apple and Amazon. We should be concerned how the power of such giants is used now and in the future.
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Not sure where your first bit comes from or is going.

Parler are a new company being squeezed out by the giants, Google, Apple and Amazon. We should be concerned how the power of such giants is used now and in the future.
Yeah, let's ignore Parlor refusing to police themselves while hosting people planning violence and pretend it's someone else's fault! /s
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