Dancing machine - Page 2

dann · 4th January 2021, 05:06 AM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

The robots are definitely dancing. It is undoubtedly a pre-determined routine, as are many human dances. What they probably are not doing is using external audio as a cue for the timing. But then, why would they? Robots can keep time perfectly internally. Humans aren't very good at that, that's part of why we mostly dance to the music.

An awful lot of humans attempt to but also aren't very good at dancing to the music. In these pandemic times, I might describe it as dancing with the music. Some men listen to the music for the first ten seconds or so, then try to internalize it, for the rest of the song, they follow their own inner rhythm instead of the actual music. I have watched in fascination when they lag more and more behind, sometimes for a hundred beats or so, until the music catches up with them again, a feat that would actually be very difficult to achieve on purpose.

Ziggurat · 4th January 2021, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by dann

An awful lot of humans attempt to but also aren't very good at dancing to the music.

True enough. The point is still that if you've got a perfect internal timer, you don't need to follow external audio clues for pre-recorded music where you already know the timing.

Adding in the ability to slow down or speed up the dance to match changes in music tempo would be challenging and cool, but that's not really the point of this demonstration.

Puppycow · 4th January 2021, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by erlando

Does anyone really think this is robots autonomously listening and interpreting music on the fly and dancing?

Of course not. But when you watch a music video with human dancers, that's all choreographed and practiced in advance.

When you watch a ballet, they certainly aren't making that up on the fly. It's all predetermined and practiced over and over in advance until the movements are perfected. Isn't that what dance is?

Steve001 · 4th January 2021, 08:21 AM

Robots fight back. https://youtu.be/dKjCWfuvYxQ

Ziggurat · 4th January 2021, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Steve001

Robots fight back. https://youtu.be/dKjCWfuvYxQ

In case people don't know, this isn't actually a robot. A human actor was motion captured and replaced with a CGI robot afterwards.

In terms of robots fighting back, I like this one:

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The video is actual Boston Dynamics footage, but with redone audio to make it slightly horrifying.

"ENOUGH, DAN, FATHER OF SALLY AND JOHNATHAN."

Steve001 · 4th January 2021, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

In case people don't know, this isn't actually a robot. A human actor was motion captured and replaced with a CGI robot afterwards.

In terms of robots fighting back, I like this one:

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I AGREE

The video is actual Boston Dynamics footage, but with redone audio to make it slightly horrifying.

"ENOUGH, DAN, FATHER OF SALLY AND JOHNATHAN."

I must admit not being to up to date with what BD can accomplish with their robots I was fooled though I did notice some decidedly unexpected human like moves not withstanding the two kicks near the end.

alfaniner · 4th January 2021, 04:04 PM

Both those humanoid robots should be named Gene.

(anyone not getting that reference should get the Gong!)

DevilsAdvocate · 4th January 2021, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Steve001

I must admit not being to up to date with what BD can accomplish with their robots I was fooled though I did notice some decidedly unexpected human like moves not withstanding the two kicks near the end.

The video is real. Only the audio was added. The original Boston Dynamics video is below.

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dann · 5th January 2021, 03:49 AM

When they almost stumble, that's when they look most human.
Having them walk around in the snow looks like a scene in Tales from the Loop:

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The indoor scene the the boxes reminds me more of Lucy and Charlie Brown.

dann · 5th January 2021, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

Of course not. But when you watch a music video with human dancers, that's all choreographed and practiced in advance.

When you watch a ballet, they certainly aren't making that up on the fly. It's all predetermined and practiced over and over in advance until the movements are perfected. Isn't that what dance is?

No, not quite. Their steps and movements may be choreographed, but they still have to follow the rhythm. If the music is not pre-recorded, the orchestra may change the speed slightly. There is also improvisational dancing. And in ordinary partner dances, the woman (usually) has to follow the man who's leading, while also keeping steps in sync with the rhythm of the music.

Over the years, I have watched many women being led by men who were out of sync with the music. They are often very good at hiding how frustrating the experience is.

Darat · 5th January 2021, 04:39 AM

Is there any work or partnership with researchers into robotic limbs for disabled folk? Thinking about robotic legs that could be directionally controlled by someone wearing them?

Steve001 · 5th January 2021, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

The video is real. Only the audio was added. The original Boston Dynamics video is below.

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The video link I posted was a cgi. This is how it was done. https://youtu.be/gCuG-KJacp8

DevilsAdvocate · 5th January 2021, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Steve001

The video link I posted was a cgi. This is how it was done. https://youtu.be/gCuG-KJacp8

Mea culpa. I lost track of which video was being discussed.

Steve001 · 7th January 2021, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

Mea culpa. I lost track of which video was being discussed.

Who doesn't? ☺

arthwollipot · 13th January 2021, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

Is there any work or partnership with researchers into robotic limbs for disabled folk? Thinking about robotic legs that could be directionally controlled by someone wearing them?

Yes. There are several labs working on prosthetic technology. I don't know whether Boston Dynamics is involved, but I've seen some pretty amazing stuff.

Jim_MDP · 14th January 2021, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Yes. There are several labs working on prosthetic technology. I don't know whether Boston Dynamics is involved, but I've seen some pretty amazing stuff.

Yeah, I don't know about BD involvement but advanced prosthetics is a major investmentment dev field.
The trick (for investors) is picking the likely breakthrough artists. I expect attention to landmines over the decades (and Princess Di) pushed dev investment.
We're a long way from AI/neural/brain prosthetics, but MILLIONS of folks would be grateful for each incremental advance.

Myriad · 14th January 2021, 09:05 AM

She is the dancing queen, young and sweet, an AI machine.
Dancing queen, see her shake to a subroutine...

arthwollipot · 14th January 2021, 06:20 PM

This is Adam Savage again, but they break down how the dance moves work. This video dropped just yesterday.

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Coordinating the dance moves to music would have been a masterpiece of timing - the moves don't necessarily end exactly when you want them to - they'd have to be tweaked endlessly. Genius.

I presume Atlas has a similar programming interface.

4th January 2021, 05:06 AM	#41
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 13,925	Originally Posted by Ziggurat The robots are definitely dancing. It is undoubtedly a pre-determined routine, as are many human dances. What they probably are not doing is using external audio as a cue for the timing. But then, why would they? Robots can keep time perfectly internally. Humans aren't very good at that, that's part of why we mostly dance to the music. An awful lot of humans attempt to but also aren't very good at dancing to the music. In these pandemic times, I might describe it as dancing with the music. Some men listen to the music for the first ten seconds or so, then try to internalize it, for the rest of the song, they follow their own inner rhythm instead of the actual music. I have watched in fascination when they lag more and more behind, sometimes for a hundred beats or so, until the music catches up with them again, a feat that would actually be very difficult to achieve on purpose.
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4th January 2021, 06:47 AM	#42
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 48,634	Originally Posted by dann An awful lot of humans attempt to but also aren't very good at dancing to the music. True enough. The point is still that if you've got a perfect internal timer, you don't need to follow external audio clues for pre-recorded music where you already know the timing. Adding in the ability to slow down or speed up the dance to match changes in music tempo would be challenging and cool, but that's not really the point of this demonstration.
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4th January 2021, 07:40 AM	#43
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 25,880	Originally Posted by erlando Does anyone really think this is robots autonomously listening and interpreting music on the fly and dancing? Of course not. But when you watch a music video with human dancers, that's all choreographed and practiced in advance. When you watch a ballet, they certainly aren't making that up on the fly. It's all predetermined and practiced over and over in advance until the movements are perfected. Isn't that what dance is?
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4th January 2021, 04:04 PM	#47
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 25,059	Both those humanoid robots should be named Gene. (anyone not getting that reference should get the Gong!)
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5th January 2021, 04:14 AM	#50
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 13,925	Originally Posted by Puppycow Of course not. But when you watch a music video with human dancers, that's all choreographed and practiced in advance. When you watch a ballet, they certainly aren't making that up on the fly. It's all predetermined and practiced over and over in advance until the movements are perfected. Isn't that what dance is? No, not quite. Their steps and movements may be choreographed, but they still have to follow the rhythm. If the music is not pre-recorded, the orchestra may change the speed slightly. There is also improvisational dancing. And in ordinary partner dances, the woman (usually) has to follow the man who's leading, while also keeping steps in sync with the rhythm of the music. Over the years, I have watched many women being led by men who were out of sync with the music. They are often very good at hiding how frustrating the experience is.
	__________________ /dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx

4th January 2021, 08:21 AM	#44
Steve001 Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,728	Robots fight back. https://youtu.be/dKjCWfuvYxQ

5th January 2021, 04:39 AM	#51
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 97,818	Is there any work or partnership with researchers into robotic limbs for disabled folk? Thinking about robotic legs that could be directionally controlled by someone wearing them?
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5th January 2021, 07:54 PM	#53
DevilsAdvocate Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,594	Originally Posted by Steve001 The video link I posted was a cgi. This is how it was done. https://youtu.be/gCuG-KJacp8 Mea culpa. I lost track of which video was being discussed.
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7th January 2021, 06:54 AM	#54
Steve001 Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,728	Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate Mea culpa. I lost track of which video was being discussed. Who doesn't? ☺

13th January 2021, 08:27 PM	#55
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 71,061	Originally Posted by Darat Is there any work or partnership with researchers into robotic limbs for disabled folk? Thinking about robotic legs that could be directionally controlled by someone wearing them? Yes. There are several labs working on prosthetic technology. I don't know whether Boston Dynamics is involved, but I've seen some pretty amazing stuff.
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14th January 2021, 12:53 AM	#56
Jim_MDP Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: N.Cal/S.Or Posts: 8,114	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Yes. There are several labs working on prosthetic technology. I don't know whether Boston Dynamics is involved, but I've seen some pretty amazing stuff. Yeah, I don't know about BD involvement but advanced prosthetics is a major investmentment dev field. The trick (for investors) is picking the likely breakthrough artists. I expect attention to landmines over the decades (and Princess Di) pushed dev investment. We're a long way from AI/neural/brain prosthetics, but MILLIONS of folks would be grateful for each incremental advance.
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14th January 2021, 09:05 AM	#57
Myriad The Clarity Is Devastating Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Betwixt Posts: 17,624	She is the dancing queen, young and sweet, an AI machine. Dancing queen, see her shake to a subroutine...
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