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Old 17th January 2021, 05:23 PM   #1201
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This has been poked at before, but...

Historians having to tape together records that Trump tore up

Implications for public record and legal proceedings after administration seized or destroyed papers, notes and other information


There's serious concern when it comes to how compliant the Trump Administration actually was in following the Presidential Records Act.

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Around Trump’s first impeachment and on other sensitive issues, some normal workflow practices were bypassed, a person familiar with the process said. Apparently worried about leaks, higher-ups and White House lawyers became more involved in deciding which materials were catalogued and scanned into White House computer networks.

Trump’s staff also engaged in questionable practices by using private emails and messaging apps. Former White House counsel Don McGahn in February 2017 sent a memo that instructed employees not to use non-official text messaging apps or private email accounts. If they did, he said, they had to take screenshots of the material and copy it into official email accounts, which are preserved. He sent the memo back out in September 2017.

In the Trump White House “not only has record-keeping not been a priority, but we have multiple examples of it seeking to conceal or destroy that record”, said Richard Immerman, from the Society for Historians of American Foreign Relations.
Consequences for that?

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Even with requests by lawmakers and lawsuits by government transparency groups, there is an acknowledgment that noncompliance with the Presidential Records Act carries little consequence for Trump. In tossing out one suit last year, US circuit judge David Tatel wrote that courts cannot “micromanage the president’s day-to-day compliance”.

The act states that a president cannot destroy records until he seeks the advice of the national archivist and notifies Congress. But the law does not require him to heed the archivist’s advice. It does not prevent the president from going ahead and destroying records.

Most presidential records today are electronic. Records experts estimate that automatic backup computer systems capture a vast majority of the records, but cannot capture records that a White House chooses not to create or log into those systems.
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Old 17th January 2021, 07:26 PM   #1202
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Trump to issue "around 100" pardons on Tuesday. Few details, but not expected to include himself or any of the rioters.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/polit...ted/index.html
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Old 17th January 2021, 07:32 PM   #1203
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Old 17th January 2021, 07:43 PM   #1204
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No per se, but the recipient of a quid-pro-quo pardon would be liable for bribery charges.
Oh the irony.
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Old 17th January 2021, 08:03 PM   #1205
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
No per se, but the recipient of a quid-pro-quo pardon would be liable for bribery charges.
Then he can pardon them first for whatever they're buying the pardon for, then a second pardon for buying the first pardon. The king can do what he likes, that's the takeaway.
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Old 17th January 2021, 08:09 PM   #1206
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Then he can pardon them first for whatever they're buying the pardon for, then a second pardon for buying the first pardon. The king can do what he likes, that's the takeaway.
Nixon made that very argument in his famous post resignation David Frost interview.

He said and I quote, "if the President does it, it is not illegal".
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Old 17th January 2021, 08:25 PM   #1207
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Trump to issue "around 100" pardons on Tuesday. Few details, but not expected to include himself or any of the rioters.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/polit...ted/index.html
And only reason he is not pardoning the rioters is because he knows that would make his conviction the impeachment trial a 99% certainity.
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Old 17th January 2021, 08:34 PM   #1208
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Apparently its $2 million for a Trump pardon: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...u-trump-pardon

Quite cheap.

I presume there is no actual rule that says he can’t sell pardons?
Just one more instance of Trump not acting like a real billionaire.
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Old 17th January 2021, 08:42 PM   #1209
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
Just one more instance of Trump not acting like a real billionaire.
On Jan 21st, those whom Trump owes hundreds of milliosns of dollars from failed business ventures are going to come around demanding their money....

Getting away from his creditors is given by many as a major reason Trump seeked the White House.
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Old 17th January 2021, 08:43 PM   #1210
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
And only reason he is not pardoning the rioters is because he knows that would make his conviction the impeachment trial a 99% certainity.
You may be giving Trump too much credit for being able to construct if-then conclusions.

I think he is too self-absorbed to even be aware that they want pardons. Perhaps too self-absorbed to even be aware that they are facing criminal charges.
After all, peons have one purpose: to give applause. Why would he give even a momentís thought to what they need?
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Old 17th January 2021, 08:52 PM   #1211
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trumps legacy is a tax cut for the oligarchs that backed him, socialization of failing industries, and policies to hurt people he didnít like.

let me know when conservatives start having ideas again
Let me emphasize this. The GOP didn't even have a party platform for the 2020 election. They had *no* ideas for the betterment of the nation; they had *no* ideas to offer as a reason to vote for them. It was ALL just Trump, Trump, Trump who, of course, having not one planning bone in his corpulent body, meant his campaign was based on fear of minorities, socialism and loss of the social wars.
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Old 17th January 2021, 08:58 PM   #1212
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Originally Posted by SezMe View Post
Let me emphasize this. The GOP didn't even have a party platform for the 2020 election. They had *no* ideas for the betterment of the nation; they had *no* ideas to offer as a reason to vote for them. It was ALL just Trump, Trump, Trump who, of course, having not one planning bone in his corpulent body, meant his campaign was based on fear of minorities, socialism and loss of the social wars.
The will of the Fuehrer..excuse me, Trump..is the highest law.
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Old 17th January 2021, 08:59 PM   #1213
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Originally Posted by SezMe View Post
Let me emphasize this. The GOP didn't even have a party platform for the 2020 election. They had *no* ideas for the betterment of the nation; they had *no* ideas to offer as a reason to vote for them. It was ALL just Trump, Trump, Trump who, of course, having not one planning bone in his corpulent body, meant his campaign was based on fear of minorities, socialism and loss of the social wars.
And yet, The Chosen One still came close to winning the election.
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Old 17th January 2021, 09:00 PM   #1214
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He wants a big send off ?
Can he be catapulted off an aircraft carrier?
Hey, we've got Trebuchet right here. Plus he's practiced throwing pumpkins. Let's enlist him for one final fling - so to speak.
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Old 17th January 2021, 09:03 PM   #1215
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Let me emphasize this. The GOP didn't even have a party platform for the 2020 election. They had *no* ideas for the betterment of the nation; they had *no* ideas to offer as a reason to vote for them. It was ALL just Trump, Trump, Trump who, of course, having not one planning bone in his corpulent body, meant his campaign was based on fear of minorities, socialism and loss of the social wars.
Thats not entirely true.
You know, T's healthcare revolution was coming in just a couple of weeks.
Sad now he'll just keep it to himself.

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Old 17th January 2021, 09:47 PM   #1216
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Someone from the FBI should try to buy a Pardon and get Trump and his gang to implicate themselves.
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Old 17th January 2021, 09:51 PM   #1217
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
This has been poked at before, but...

Historians having to tape together records that Trump tore up

Implications for public record and legal proceedings after administration seized or destroyed papers, notes and other information


There's serious concern when it comes to how compliant the Trump Administration actually was in following the Presidential Records Act.

The baby blimp is being preserved though.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...don-collection
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Old 17th January 2021, 09:56 PM   #1218
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Trump to issue "around 100" pardons on Tuesday. Few details, but not expected to include himself or any of the rioters.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/polit...ted/index.html
He will get bored after the first fifty and head off to play golf.
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Old 17th January 2021, 10:58 PM   #1219
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NPR has a short audio interview with former FBI Director James Comey in which he makes a case for the DoJ not to prosecute Trump after he leaves office...
"INTERVIEWER: You do make the case at the end of your book that the Justice Department should not spend its time trying to prosecute Donald Trump after he leaves office for the sake of rebuilding national unity and moving on. But let me ask you, do you still believe that, given last week's events, that Donald Trump should not be prosecuted?

COMEY: Yeah, that was a very close call when I wrote about it and finished the book back in the fall. It's even closer now. But I think it's still the best thing for the country not to have Donald Trump on our television screens every day for the next three or four years as part of United States v. Trump in the District of Columbia. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are going to try to heal a country. And I just think Donald Trump's craving for attention is something we don't want to accommodate now. We don't want him center of our lives. I'd rather him in his bathrobe yelling at cars on the lawn at Mar-a-Lago with the camera lights off. I think that's the best thing for the country now. But look. I'm not sure that I'm right."
You can listen to the whole 8min of the interview, or read the transcript here

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/12/95614...-leaves-office
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Old 17th January 2021, 11:17 PM   #1220
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I understand the sentiment, but it is wrong.

This is NOT about Trump - it's about everyone who profited from him and everyone who thinks they will profit from following in his footsteps.
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Old 17th January 2021, 11:22 PM   #1221
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james comey doesnít always have the best judgment
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Old 17th January 2021, 11:27 PM   #1222
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
And only reason he is not pardoning the rioters is because he knows that would make his conviction the impeachment trial a 99% certainity.
Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
You may be giving Trump too much credit for being able to construct if-then conclusions.

I think he is too self-absorbed to even be aware that they want pardons. Perhaps too self-absorbed to even be aware that they are facing criminal charges.
After all, peons have one purpose: to give applause. Why would he give even a momentís thought to what they need?
Not to mention too much credit to Republican Senators. They may cringe at the obviousness of Trump's pardons but then they will dust off the old "heal the nation" rhetoric and start up with their oh-so-reasonable, "Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who..."
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james comey doesnít always have the best judgment
Understatement. But maybe he knew exactly what he was doing with the Hillary laptop?
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Old 18th January 2021, 07:39 AM   #1224
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In a move that is both surprising and totally not surprising, Trump is talking about his presidential library...

From: Business Insider
President Donald Trump is relaying to supporters and GOP donors that he wants to raise $2 billion for a presidential library and museum...No official announcements have been made, but the presidential library is "likely" to be in Florida...The president is reportedly convinced that he can raise the necessary funds through small-dollar donations from his political base.

First of all, $2 billion is roughly 4 times the amount of money that is being spent on the Obama library. So the idea that he would spend 4 times the amount is quite... egotistical.

Secondly... where exactly does he think those donations will come from? Supposedly he wants small-dollar donations, the company that was processing his donations dropped him after the riots. Not to mention that without Twitter, he'll have a hard time rallying his supporters to donate. He could try getting some larger donors, but I suspect they will avoid him like the plague, as supporting Trump would damage their reputation.

Lastly.... even if they did raise the money... given Trump's track record of grift and incompetence, I suspect much of the library money will find its way into Trump's pockets, and whatever is built will be incredibly tacky/gaudy and poorly constructed.
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
In a move that is both surprising and totally not surprising, Trump is talking about his presidential library...

From: Business Insider
President Donald Trump is relaying to supporters and GOP donors that he wants to raise $2 billion for a presidential library and museum...No official announcements have been made, but the presidential library is "likely" to be in Florida...The president is reportedly convinced that he can raise the necessary funds through small-dollar donations from his political base.

First of all, $2 billion is roughly 4 times the amount of money that is being spent on the Obama library. So the idea that he would spend 4 times the amount is quite... egotistical.

Secondly... where exactly does he think those donations will come from? Supposedly he wants small-dollar donations, the company that was processing his donations dropped him after the riots. Not to mention that without Twitter, he'll have a hard time rallying his supporters to donate. He could try getting some larger donors, but I suspect they will avoid him like the plague, as supporting Trump would damage their reputation.

Lastly.... even if they did raise the money... given Trump's track record of grift and incompetence, I suspect much of the library money will find its way into Trump's pockets, and whatever is built will be incredibly tacky/gaudy and poorly constructed.
President Trump will likely pocket the vast majority of donations - how else will he pay his creditors ?
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
In a move that is both surprising and totally not surprising, Trump is talking about his presidential library...

From: Business Insider
President Donald Trump is relaying to supporters and GOP donors that he wants to raise $2 billion for a presidential library and museum...No official announcements have been made, but the presidential library is "likely" to be in Florida...The president is reportedly convinced that he can raise the necessary funds through small-dollar donations from his political base.

First of all, $2 billion is roughly 4 times the amount of money that is being spent on the Obama library. So the idea that he would spend 4 times the amount is quite... egotistical.

Secondly... where exactly does he think those donations will come from? Supposedly he wants small-dollar donations, the company that was processing his donations dropped him after the riots. Not to mention that without Twitter, he'll have a hard time rallying his supporters to donate. He could try getting some larger donors, but I suspect they will avoid him like the plague, as supporting Trump would damage their reputation.

Lastly.... even if they did raise the money... given Trump's track record of grift and incompetence, I suspect much of the library money will find its way into Trump's pockets, and whatever is built will be incredibly tacky/gaudy and poorly constructed.
Prediction: First presidential library to go bankrupt.
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Prediction: First presidential library to go bankrupt.
And/or to be charged with fraud.
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Lastly.... even if they did raise the money... given Trump's track record of grift and incompetence, I suspect much of the library money will find its way into Trump's pockets, and whatever is built will be incredibly tacky/gaudy and poorly constructed.


Well, clearly a book signed by Trump is worth far more than a book not signed by Trump, so it's only fair that we pay him the added value created by him scrawling on each book with a Sharpie.

The only real question is how much a mark-up he'll insist on. 1000%? 10000%?
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Old 18th January 2021, 07:49 AM   #1229
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Prediction: First presidential library to go bankrupt.
Well, yeah.... got to have some way to avoid paying workers.

Assuming he raised at least some money, I wonder how many contractors would be willing to work on a Trump library. Given his history of stiffing people in the past, I would hope most of them would either avoid the project altogether, or demand payment up front.
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Well, yeah.... got to have some way to avoid paying workers.

Assuming he raised at least some money, I wonder how many contractors would be willing to work on a Trump library. Given his history of stiffing people in the past, I would hope most of them would either avoid the project altogether, or demand payment up front.
President Trump has a very long history of not paying people who work for him and yet there never appears to be a shortage of people who appear to be willing to do so.

Is it a case of hope springing eternal ? Is it a way for his supporters to show how much they love him ? Is it simply for the cachet of working for the President ?
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//Slight Hijack//

I've actually looked into getting books signed by all the (recent) Presidents to add to my book collection. Politics aside that would be a nice feature for a home library.

Richard Nixon - Several copies of first editions in fair or better shape of "Six Crises" signed by Nixon are available on eBay for 60-120 bucks.

Gerald Ford - Several copies of first editions in fair or better shape of "Time to Heal" signed by Ford are available on eBay for 100-150 bucks.

Jimmy Carter - Carter wrote a lot of books after his Presidency and they are widely available signed for as little as 30 dollars.

Ronald Reagan - huge price jump here. "Reagonabilia" seems to be more of thing then it is for other Presidents. 500-700 dollars seems to be the range here, with only a few lower quality copies dropping into the 300-500 dollar range. Nothing belong 250 (and that one listing looked a little shady.)

George H.W. Bush - There was a big printing run of "All the Best" from Easton Press back in 1999 and a lot of copies of it look to be available signed for around 200-300 bucks.

Bill Clinton - As little as 150 will get you a signed copy of either "My Life" his autobiography or his more recent "Giving" or "Back to Work."

George W. Bush - As low as 125 bucks.

Barack Obama - Cheapest I could find was 400 bucks.

Donald J. Trump - 250 bucks or so. Anything he signed as "President" is a lot more expensive.
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Old 18th January 2021, 08:13 AM   #1232
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Mike Lindell is on the A team.
Oddly, as one of the very few people able to get a meeting with Trump, this isn't far from the truth. I shudder to think what the B team looks like!

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Old 18th January 2021, 08:17 AM   #1233
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President Trump has a very long history of not paying people who work for him and yet there never appears to be a shortage of people who appear to be willing to do so.
Yeah, I wonder what went through the minds of those people.

Maybe it was a case of contractors simply not doing any sort of background check. (After all, before he became president, his habit of not paying workers wouldn't have been as well publicized.)
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MyPillow is Motel 6 quality by the way.
They are literally like you took a generic Walmart level of quality foam pillow, pulled it apart into little pieces by hand until you had a bunch of randomly sized and shaped memory foam chunks, and then put them into a cheap 200 thread count pillow case.

I've literally gotten 1.50, ONE DOLLAR, FIFTY CENTS, pillows from Ikea that are better.
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Mike Lindell is on the A team.
Oddly, as one of the very few people able to get a meeting with Trump, this isn't far from the truth. I shudder to think what the B team looks like!
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Hey! Lindell is a great american patriot responsible for creating American Jobs!

Well, sort of.

There was the time he laid off over 100 workers, right after praising the republican tax cut plans.

See: Huffington Post
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They are literally like you took a generic Walmart level of quality foam pillow, pulled it apart into little pieces by hand until you had a bunch of randomly sized and shaped memory foam chunks, and then put them into a cheap 200 thread count pillow case.

I've literally gotten 1.50, ONE DOLLAR, FIFTY CENTS, pillows from Ikea that are better.
If he's able to sell them for £120 (the UK r.r.p) or any significant fraction of that then more fool the consumer.
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I would like to write up a comprehensive de-programming guide for Trump cultists. I intend a simple presentation of facts, no snark, no hyperbole, organized into chapters.

If anyone out there wishes to participate, I'll start a thread and make it a community exercise.
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President Trump has a very long history of not paying people who work for him and yet there never appears to be a shortage of people who appear to be willing to do so.

Is it a case of hope springing eternal ? Is it a way for his supporters to show how much they love him ? Is it simply for the cachet of working for the President ?

I think it's more a case of desperate small companies stuck for work, who decide that anything is better than nothing. You know you likely won't make a profit because Trump will screw you out of everything he can, but you hope you can at least keep your employees paid and the lights on while you look for better work.

And of course this business plan is going to be even more effective after the damage Trump's "pandemic plan" has done to the economy. I suspect he'll have more than one contractor willing to bite the bullet and work for him, out of desperation.

Which of course means Trump will be able to screw them even harder. He probably considers that a win-win.
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Trump planning mass pardons:
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NPR has a short audio interview with former FBI Director James Comey in which he makes a case for the DoJ not to prosecute Trump after he leaves office...
"INTERVIEWER: You do make the case at the end of your book that the Justice Department should not spend its time trying to prosecute Donald Trump after he leaves office for the sake of rebuilding national unity and moving on. But let me ask you, do you still believe that, given last week's events, that Donald Trump should not be prosecuted?

COMEY: Yeah, that was a very close call when I wrote about it and finished the book back in the fall. It's even closer now. But I think it's still the best thing for the country not to have Donald Trump on our television screens every day for the next three or four years as part of United States v. Trump in the District of Columbia. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are going to try to heal a country. And I just think Donald Trump's craving for attention is something we don't want to accommodate now. We don't want him center of our lives. I'd rather him in his bathrobe yelling at cars on the lawn at Mar-a-Lago with the camera lights off. I think that's the best thing for the country now. But look. I'm not sure that I'm right."
You can listen to the whole 8min of the interview, or read the transcript here

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/12/95614...-leaves-office
He's just peddling his book. He has never fully admitted he played a roll getting the bastard elected, now he's written a book no doubt rationalizing his decision. If he thought the NY office was going to leak the Wiener laptop story he should have tried to intervene, not release the story first so the FBI would have clean hands or whatever **** he thought.

It's like Newt Gingrich, why should we listen to the opinions of any of these has-beens?

And sure, I can see why he wants Trump out of the public eye, never to return, (like that's possible). Comey doesn't want a daily reminder that he played a role in Trump's election. Before any of you start another string of other reasons Clinton lost, I did not say Comey was the sole factor, he wasn't.
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