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Old 19th January 2021, 07:45 AM   #1281
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
President Trump only does things that are to President Trump's benefit. I can see why he might pardon close associates and big names but I don't see how he gains personally from pardoning insurrectionists - they adore him already.
The MAGAchud might adore him now, but there is no guarantee that they will keep loving him. (After all, we've seen them turn on other politicians/sympathizers, when it is determined that they are not "keeping the faith".)

So, Trump could (in theory) pardon the terrorists because he wants to keep his fans loyal, and for them to keep fighting. ("Hey, keep this up and when I'm back in office you'll all be pardoned".)

I don't think he'd do so, but its not out of the realm of possibility.
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Old 19th January 2021, 07:45 AM   #1282
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Today's "Over the Hedge", which was written last month, has the characters talking about Trump issuing an executive order banning the letter "P". He had contacted his generals and demanded the forces he needed for a "coo", and they gave him exactly what he asked for. The final panel shows Trump walking into a helicopter with a pigeon sitting on his head.
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Old 19th January 2021, 07:47 AM   #1283
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But the important thing to realize is that, according to people like Lady Lindsey, Trump is trying to "heal the nation".
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Old 19th January 2021, 07:47 AM   #1284
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
To be fair, Clinton did pardon his brother.

Although, to be equally far, what Roger Clinton did was not some mystery, nor was he pardon for anything related to the President.

Fun fact Roger Clinton's Secret Service codename was "Headache" which... I can't imagine is a good sign.
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Old 19th January 2021, 07:48 AM   #1285
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Or like... and guys I'm being like 10% serious here... what if pardoned Hillary? Like what if he made a big show of a pardon that was just a passive aggressive accusation?
I'd like to see him go surreal and pardon Andy Kaufman. And then issue an executive order for the arrest of the MC5.

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Old 19th January 2021, 07:58 AM   #1286
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
To be fair, Clinton did pardon his brother.

Although, to be equally far, what Roger Clinton did was not some mystery, nor was he pardon for anything related to the President.

Fun fact Roger Clinton's Secret Service codename was "Headache" which... I can't imagine is a good sign.
It should also be noted that the pardon of Clinton's brother took place years after he had already spent time in jail, so it was not necessarily done to avoid prison. (Just "give him a clean record".)

Compare that to Trump's potential pardon of his hell-spawn... If he issues a pardon to them they will end up avoiding all punishment.
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Old 19th January 2021, 08:00 AM   #1287
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
President Trump only does things that are to President Trump's benefit. I can see why he might pardon close associates and big names but I don't see how he gains personally from pardoning insurrectionists - they adore him already.
From accounts he thinks they made him look bad because they were “low class”, there is no way he will pardon them.
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Old 19th January 2021, 08:03 AM   #1288
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Compare that to Trump's potential pardon of his hell-spawn... If he issues a pardon to them they will end up avoiding all punishment.
Well, not all - they’re all implicated in all sorts of state criminal and civil crimes, so hopefully there will still be some form of comeuppance.
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Old 19th January 2021, 08:09 AM   #1289
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
It should also be noted that the pardon of Clinton's brother took place years after he had already spent time in jail, so it was not necessarily done to avoid prison. (Just "give him a clean record".)

Compare that to Trump's potential pardon of his hell-spawn... If he issues a pardon to them they will end up avoiding all punishment.
Yeah, and pardoning your screw-up brother for something totally unrelated to you is very different from pardoning your kids for running your dodgy business and your shady political errands.
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
Nice catch! Your memory is better than mine.
According to this, Kamala Harris's is Pioneer, which is apt. Biden's is Celtic. Huh?

Mind you, Karenna Gore's - Smurfette?
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Old 19th January 2021, 08:15 AM   #1292
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
It should also be noted that the pardon of Clinton's brother took place years after he had already spent time in jail, so it was not necessarily done to avoid prison. (Just "give him a clean record".)

Compare that to Trump's potential pardon of his hell-spawn... If he issues a pardon to them they will end up avoiding all punishment.
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Yeah, and pardoning your screw-up brother for something totally unrelated to you is very different from pardoning your kids for running your dodgy business and your shady political errands.
To be clear I was only providing some context for a specific reference point, I was not attempting an equivocation.
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Old 19th January 2021, 08:18 AM   #1293
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Originally Posted by SteveAitch View Post
According to this, Kamala Harris's is Pioneer, which is apt. Biden's is Celtic. Huh?

Mind you, Karenna Gore's - Smurfette?
What's the point of having code names that everyone knows?
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Old 19th January 2021, 08:25 AM   #1294
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
The MAGAchud might adore him now, but there is no guarantee that they will keep loving him. (After all, we've seen them turn on other politicians/sympathizers, when it is determined that they are not "keeping the faith".)

So, Trump could (in theory) pardon the terrorists because he wants to keep his fans loyal, and for them to keep fighting. ("Hey, keep this up and when I'm back in office you'll all be pardoned".)

I don't think he'd do so, but its not out of the realm of possibility.
I'm sure T**** (or his advisors) is not blind to the little problem that many of those terrorists have claimed as excuse that he asked them to do what they did.

So, pardoning them may not look good during the impeachment procedure (or in later court cases).

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Old 19th January 2021, 08:34 AM   #1295
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//Slight hijack//

Is censoring the word "Trump" some joke or meme? I've been seeing it pop up in random places.
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Old 19th January 2021, 08:36 AM   #1296
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//Slight hijack//

Is censoring the word "Trump" some joke or meme? I've been seeing it pop up in random places.
I saw a critical commenter do it and thought it would be a good idea. So, meme I quess.

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I saw a critical commenter do it and thought it would be a good idea. So, meme I quess.

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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy View Post
What's the point of having code names that everyone knows?
I did wonder that myself...
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Old 19th January 2021, 08:49 AM   #1299
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The MAGAchud might adore him now, but there is no guarantee that they will keep loving him.
So, Trump could (in theory) pardon the terrorists because he wants to keep his fans loyal, and for them to keep fighting.
I don't think he'd do so, but its not out of the realm of possibility.
I'm sure T**** (or his advisors) is not blind to the little problem that many of those terrorists have claimed as excuse that he asked them to do what they did.

So, pardoning them may not look good during the impeachment procedure (or in later court cases).
Yeah but Trump has had the republicans willing to defend him for the past 4 years. They were quite willing to look the other way when he tried to blackmail a foreign country into interfering with the election. I am sure that lesson isn't lost on Trump.
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Yeah but Trump has had the republicans willing to defend him for the past 4 years. They were quite willing to look the other way when he tried to blackmail a foreign country into interfering with the election. I am sure that lesson isn't lost on Trump.
Yes. Funny thing. One should think he could recognize his own behavior in others, but I suppose that is not as easy as it seems. How many of them will support him once he is no longer of any use to them?

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Trump is reputedly furious over the fact that a-list celebrities are going to be at Biden's inauguration
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Old 19th January 2021, 09:18 AM   #1302
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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy View Post
What's the point of having code names that everyone knows?
Presumable so there can be no confusion is times of hectic communications. “Biden down” could mean Mr or Mrs Biden and so on.

Personally I think it’s something that makes the secret service folk all tingly and James Bondie.
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Yeah but Trump has had the republicans willing to defend him for the past 4 years. They were quite willing to look the other way when he tried to blackmail a foreign country into interfering with the election. I am sure that lesson isn't lost on Trump.
Yes. Funny thing. One should think he could recognize his own behavior in others, but I suppose that is not as easy as it seems. How many of them will support him once he is no longer of any use to them?
Well, he's no longer of any use now, yet the majority of Republican house members voted against impeachment. The senate might be a little different (longer terms/less beholden to public opinion/a bit more professional), but that doesn't mean republican senators won't react the same as republicans in the house.

Trump himself might not have direct political influence, but they still need to keep the MAGAchud happy. Plus, voting in favor of impeachment now would mean explaining why they supported Trump in the past when his criminality has been long established..

We know Lady Lindsey, Hawley and Cruz will likely vote pro-Trump. You also have a bunch of senators in deep-red states who tried to pull the "we need an election audit" scam (Hagerty/Lummis/Marshall/Tuberville/Blackburn/Braun/Kennedy/Daines). They are likely to vote against impeachment too, regardless of what Trump does. Then there is also Johnson (who has backed voter fraud claims in the past) and Tom Cotton (who has been a strong Trump ally, even if he didn't support overturning the election). So there are at least a dozen Republican senators who are likely going to vote against convicting Trump. And that's at a minimum.
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What's he complaining about? Trump had the Rockettes perform.
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Colbert? That's the other place I remember seeing it.
Yeah, I saw it first on Colbert.
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//Slight hijack//

Is censoring the word "Trump" some joke or meme? I've been seeing it pop up in random places.
I think joke is that they treat "Trump" as offensive word that should be censored like, say, n-word.
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Whew!

It hard to believe, but there is only 24 hour more of the Trump presidency.
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Whew!

It hard to believe, but there is only 24 hour more of the Trump presidency.
If I wasn't at work I'd be blaring the Ramones full blast.
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Whew!

It hard to believe, but there is only 24 hour more of the Trump presidency.
Yeah, but who’s counting?



That looks like it’s counting down to the 20th, not noon on Inauguration Day.

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Link to the Inauguration countdown timer:

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdow...eaves%20office
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I assume this is the "Stephen Miller's Diatribe on Racist White Supremacy" that he has wanted to publish for the past many years and could never find a publisher and went the route of the vanity publisher of the Federal Government. No?
Well, it does spend time discussing the Nazi's military strength, is highly plagiarized, cites no sources at all, and makes a number of ridiculous claims (my favorite is that MLK Jr. hated Affirmative Action programs, despite his explicit written endorsement of programs meant to favor black Americans in particular, due of course to the centuries of the US doing the exact opposite for literally centuries).

On the other hand, it lacks Miller's more usual Triumph of the Will tones, 14 words references and white nationalist steam whistle politics.
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To be clear I was only providing some context for a specific reference point, I was not attempting an equivocation.
Yup, and I never meant to potray facts differently. I was just making the point that even if Bill Clinton's pardon of Roger Clinton had made an immediate tangible difference in RC's life (such as getting out of prison or avoiding an imminent jail sentence), it still would have been very, very different from pardoning your kids for being your go-betweens in your own shady deals
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Or like... and guys I'm being like 10% serious here... what if pardoned Hillary? Like what if he made a big show of a pardon that was just a passive aggressive accusation?
That occurred to me as well!
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Or like... and guys I'm being like 10% serious here... what if pardoned Hillary? Like what if he made a big show of a pardon that was just a passive aggressive accusation?


It's be hilarious if he did, because:


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A person may decide not to accept a pardon, in which case it does not take effect;[2] according to a Supreme Court majority opinion a pardon "carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it".

It would have to blow at least a few "Lock her up!" chanter's minds when she publicly refuses his pardon on the basis that she's done nothing wrong.
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Whew!

It hard to believe, but there is only 24 hour more of the Trump presidency.
I don't think I've ever followed a countdown more closely, except for the time I went to see a solar eclipse.
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It's on CNN's live feed, so it may not be visible for long, but it's being reported that Mike Pence will be skipping Trump's farewell ceremony to attend Presdient Biden's inauguration.


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Vice President Mike Pence is not expected to attend President Trump's departure ceremony at Joint Base Andrews, according to two Pence sources.

Logistically, the sources said it would be difficult for Pence to be at Joint Base Andrews for Trump's sendoff and attend President-elect Joe Biden's inaugural, as the outgoing vice president is expected to do.

One last effort to make the little baby feel good about himself by pumping up the crowd size.

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Invitations have gone out to Trump's friends, allies and former administration officials saying it will begin at 8 a.m. ET. Each invitee is allowed five guests; organizers hope to secure a large crowd because Trump has complained about the size of his gatherings in the past.

In a sign the guest list may not have been carefully curated, Trump's former communications director turned critic, Anthony Scaramucci, was invited to the departure. He told CNN he did not plan to attend, but saw his invitation as a sign the White House was eager to bulk up the guest list.
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Old 19th January 2021, 12:19 PM   #1317
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In a sign the guest list may not have been carefully curated, Trump's former communications director turned critic, Anthony Scaramucci, was invited to the departure. He told CNN he did not plan to attend, but saw his invitation as a sign the White House was eager to bulk up the guest list.
In their talk last night, Don Lemon said he'd be willing to go along as one of the guests. I think that would be great! He might finally get an interview with The PDJT.
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Old 19th January 2021, 12:30 PM   #1318
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Oh, I feel SO sorry for him ...

For being like that.

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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Well, he's no longer of any use now, yet the majority of Republican house members voted against impeachment. The senate might be a little different (longer terms/less beholden to public opinion/a bit more professional), but that doesn't mean republican senators won't react the same as republicans in the house.

Trump himself might not have direct political influence, but they still need to keep the MAGAchud happy. Plus, voting in favor of impeachment now would mean explaining why they supported Trump in the past when his criminality has been long established..

We know Lady Lindsey, Hawley and Cruz will likely vote pro-Trump. You also have a bunch of senators in deep-red states who tried to pull the "we need an election audit" scam (Hagerty/Lummis/Marshall/Tuberville/Blackburn/Braun/Kennedy/Daines). They are likely to vote against impeachment too, regardless of what Trump does. Then there is also Johnson (who has backed voter fraud claims in the past) and Tom Cotton (who has been a strong Trump ally, even if he didn't support overturning the election). So there are at least a dozen Republican senators who are likely going to vote against convicting Trump. And that's at a minimum.
Well, but what is it that they admire? His looks? His intellect? His masculine charm? His integrity? His competencies? ... His ability to attract votes? .... Yes!

Once that vanes, and it already does, I bet most of them will suddenly remember why they have always despised him.

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
That occurred to me as well!
Much too subtle for T****.

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