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Old 6th January 2021, 09:56 AM   #2041
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I would imagine Venezuela would be nice place for the anti-money crowd, as there seems to be little of it going around, and that is, no doubt, why Venezuelans are so happy and fat and prosperous.

Plus, it's not all that far from the ancient Inca empire, which was famously free of money. The Inca managed to run a complex culture and economy without money, and a little study of how they did it should provide both a lesson in how to manage that economy, and an object lesson in why Gaetan's ideas fall short (Hint....the phrase "forced labor" seems to pop up with great regularity).
I doubt Gaetans fantasy has him as one of the people. He is clearly going to be part of the ruling class.
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Old 7th January 2021, 10:03 AM   #2042
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Hello friends,

Join the the party Libre Canada, with this party we will abolish the devil's tool, money.

As you see, in the world money does not flow and that is the problem we have when we use money. The rich keep the money and don't return it to the economy and that's the reason we have so many poor, there is no investment, there is no redistribution of the money from rich to poor, they do not have the opportunity to work, to create wealth for their country. So since money does not work, if it is only for 1% of the world's population, it must be abolished.

Money is the reward for crime, theft, murders, drug trafficking, mafia wars, corruption, slavery, wars, prostitution, dictators, ethnic discrimination, racism, mental manipulation, pettiness, injustices and social inequalities, pollution, squandering of natural resources and all kinds of other crimes, if you take away the reward, if there is no more reward, the goal of all this crime, you solve a lot of problem and disorder in society resulting from evil. Opportunity is the thief, money breeds crime and must therefore be abolished. As an example, if you increase the taxes and the price of spirits, you will have an increase in contraband, if you decrease them, you will have a decrease, if they were free, you would not have any.

Money and getting paid every time you work and paying every time you take a property is the devil's way of life. This way of life leads us straight to the end of the world, crime and the quest for profit will soon empty the earth of its resources and pollute it so much that nothing will be cultivable, we will not be able to live another 2000 years with money. Opportunity makes the thief. As an example, when you have a tool like a firearm whose purpose is to kill, you should not put it on the free and unrestricted sale at street corner stores because it is certain that many people go. to get killed. It is the same with money which produces crime, inequality and injustice. To live in a healthy society, society must be allowed to do so by giving it the appropriate tools that allow it to flourish, such as mutual aid, sharing and giving of oneself, this is how society can evolve. You must not institute an economy on money which causes misery for most people and allows a small group or rich countries to take advantage of others. You must institute a fair social system for all

Human beings must live in an environment conducive to mutual aid, to free giving of oneself as in a world without money so that society and the individual can evolve towards a better world. When you go to buy a good the goal of a reasonable, sane, and normal person is to pay as little as possible for the product. So if a product is offered in a store at such a price and that same product is offered in the store next door on promotion for free, the normal and reasonable person will take the good that is offered to him for free. So in all fairness as you do not want to pay anything for a product, for the work of your neighbor, you too must work for your neighbor for free, it is a simple matter of elementary justice. So all work or goods and services must be free. Any attempt to place any value on a job, good, or service is an illusion, a lie, and is satanic practice.

Human beings must live in an environment conducive to their development and their social and spiritual evolution where they find profit in helping each other as in a world without money, and not in an environment where they find profit in eating each other with the silver. As an example: the more civil servants pay, the more the income of the tax payer decreases, the less you pay for a good, so the lower the wages of others, the more you benefit from it. Money is the devil's tool, no doubt about that. It's the same with businesses, they don't give each other freebies. When they discover new products, they patent them to prevent others from benefiting from them and thus harm the community, the advancement. They swallow themselves up to limit competition and increase their prices, when they enter into alliances between them such as collusion, it is to rip off consumers. Competition prompts them to exploit workers and engage in slavery. In a world without money all this nonsense would be obsolete.

The reason for the underdevelopment of the countries is not that the people of these countries are too lazy to work, but it is because with a system that uses money one needs money to buy the resources for develop the country. People in these countries actually work a lot, but their work is not efficient. Like the child who walks 8 miles to fetch water for his family, in a world of free access to resources without money, they could build paths to go from village to village, bring machinery to build the well and the diesel or electricity to run the pump. A vehicle like money does not work, it is not a system which is of any use to humanity and hinders its development, it must be abolished.

It's nice to say that we have to put a stop to pollution but as long as there is a profit to pollute you will not put a brake on it, so aim right, aim for the abolition of what is causing the problem of humanity, money. So if money is not abolished it will be the end of the world in a few hundred years, it's nice to say that we have to fight against pollution but if you want to put a stop to it, you have to fight against what causes it. The problem must be contained at its source, profit and money.

Money is not a system that works on a small scale or on a large scale. You take a small tribe, to survive they have to share the food, you take the individual who kills a deer, he cannot say, I am the one who killed the animal, I keep the food for myself, he must to share because the day when the hunt for him will be bad others will not share with him. If you introduce the money into the tribe, and you give an equal amount to each member at the start, the money will end up being totally picked up by the most cunning and skillful hunter and the others will end up starving for foul. money to pay for food, then you see this system can't work on a small scale and it doesn't work on a larger scale because the money always finds its way to a small group of rich people and leaves the vast majority without resources. We could solve this problem by giving money back from the rich to the poor but to do that is to actually abolish it, so distribute what our hunter killed among the other members of the tribe and what good is it to play a game. which leads nowhere. So we just have to abolish a system that is not working.

One might think that with a system of free access to resources, people would hasten to squander them, except that poverty and the non-modernization of humanity does not allow systems to be put in place for the systematic recycling of resources. almost 100% which is necessary for the survival and well-being of the planet.

To begin with, you can abolish money in Canada, keep it only for international trade, but within the country everything is done without money, until all countries abolish it and exchange it for free.
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Old 7th January 2021, 11:10 AM   #2043
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How does one join this party? Requirements? Dues? Who is running it? Is it a federal party, or just a province? How many members?
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Old 7th January 2021, 03:27 PM   #2044
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How does one join this party? Requirements? Dues? Who is running it? Is it a federal party, or just a province? How many members?
No dues, at least not in the form of money of course. Instead you pay in 100% of your working effort and in return you get absolutely everything you want in the whole wide world (if it happens to be available).

In order to join, you have to stop being a human. Sorry, but human nature is not suited to admission. Humans have evolved to mostly behave altruistically only among a group the size of a band or small tribe; a group where you not only know everyone but are genetically related to almost everyone.

Outside those extended family groups, other evolved human behaviours come to the fore. Looking after your own. Special favours for friends. Cheating. Taking more than your fair share and concealing that fact. All perfectly natural behaviours, but not what Gaetan's project requires.

So sorry. Robots only.
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Old 7th January 2021, 04:39 PM   #2045
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The cia lost the election in Venezuela.
I don't remember the CIA having a candidate in any Venezuelan elections recently? I seem to recall all the candidates being Venezuelan.
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Oddly, the party website has a big Donate button, and I can find no mention anywhere of abolishing money.
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Old 8th January 2021, 11:04 PM   #2047
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
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Join the the party Libre Canada, with this party we will abolish the devil's tool, money.
The party doesn't have a site. Searching for "Libre Canada" gives me information about diabetes medications. And Jesus used money. Are you saying that you're better than Jesus?

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As you see, in the world money does not flow and that is the problem we have when we use money.
The term "liquid money" refers to how quickly you can convert the money.
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The rich keep the money and don't return it to the economy and that's the reason we have so many poor, there is no investment, there is no redistribution of the money from rich to poor, they do not have the opportunity to work, to create wealth for their country.
Once again you do not know anything about business. Look up the following terms: R&D, Marketing, and Venture Capitalist.

The rest of your post is full of other lies.
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Old 11th January 2021, 06:12 AM   #2048
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I don't remember the CIA having a candidate in any Venezuelan elections recently? I seem to recall all the candidates being Venezuelan.
People of Venezuela finally got rid of the dictator that Obama and Trudeau wanted to impose them for stealing them.
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Old 11th January 2021, 07:57 AM   #2049
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People of Venezuela finally got rid of the dictator that Obama and Trudeau wanted to impose them for stealing them.
And you've packed and are moving down there now? Why not?
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Old 11th January 2021, 12:16 PM   #2050
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People of Venezuela finally got rid of the dictator that Obama and Trudeau wanted to impose them for stealing them.
Let's add Wikipedia and calendars to things that Gaetan has problems with.

Your sentence does not make sense. "... to impose them for stealing them. [sic]"

There has not been a presidential election in Venezuela since 2018.

From Venezuelan presidential crisisWP:
"A crisis concerning the identity of the legitimate president of Venezuela has been underway since 10 January 2019, with the nation and the world divided in support for Nicolás Maduro or Juan Guaidó. The process and results of the 20 May 2018 presidential election were widely disputed.[1][2] "
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Let's add Wikipedia and calendars to things that Gaetan has problems with.

Your sentence does not make sense. "... to impose them for stealing them. [sic]"

There has not been a presidential election in Venezuela since 2018.

From Venezuelan presidential crisisWP:
"A crisis concerning the identity of the legitimate president of Venezuela has been underway since 10 January 2019, with the nation and the world divided in support for Nicolás Maduro or Juan Guaidó. The process and results of the 20 May 2018 presidential election were widely disputed.[1][2] "
I really don't know why Obama and/or Trudeau would give two ***** about Venezuela. It's really not that important. It's going miles out of your way to step on an ant.
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I really don't know why Obama and/or Trudeau would give two ***** about Venezuela. It's really not that important. It's going miles out of your way to step on an ant.
Oil.
Venezuela has the largest proven reserve estimate in the world, including Saudi Arabia.
The US was relying on these reserves as a stable source for their domestic consumption.
Venezuela also has large mineral reserves, including large gold reserves.

And of course political control.
A number of S.Am countries are forming an alliance that have anti-US policies and the US want to disassemble this alliance. Venezuela is seen as the leading voice in this alliance.
It is more complicated than this, but that’s the basics.
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Oil.
Venezuela has the largest proven reserve estimate in the world, including Saudi Arabia.
The US was relying on these reserves as a stable source for their domestic consumption.
Venezuela also has large mineral reserves, including large gold reserves.

And of course political control.
A number of S.Am countries are forming an alliance that have anti-US policies and the US want to disassemble this alliance. Venezuela is seen as the leading voice in this alliance.
It is more complicated than this, but that’s the basics.
Their hope was to steal them because Chavez or Maduro had rather to make business with US than China or Russian but Obama and Trudeau wanted thier resouces for their big oil and bulk companies and the consequences was a genocide and a crime against humanity, they should be judge for that by an international court but the world of money is a world of crimes and unjustice.
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Your inability to use English, provide proof of your claims, and your posts in general are a crime against humanity.
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Old 12th January 2021, 11:36 PM   #2055
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Your inability to use English, provide proof of your claims, and your posts in general are a crime against humanity.
The goal of the crime against the people of Venezuela was money profit, just that.
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We should ban numbers, not money.

Then we can carry on as now, but there's no incentive to grab all the money you can, because when you never count it, it doesn't matter how much you have. So instead of going into someone's shop and just stealing 6 of his apples as Gaetan suggests, you can take some apples and give him some money and then it's all fair. Right? And if Gaetan wants a Tesla then he gives the dealer some money and drives away in some Teslas too. It's completely foolproof.
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
We should ban numbers, not money.

Then we can carry on as now, but there's no incentive to grab all the money you can, because when you never count it, it doesn't matter how much you have. So instead of going into someone's shop and just stealing 6 of his apples as Gaetan suggests, you can take some apples and give him some money and then it's all fair. Right? And if Gaetan wants a Tesla then he gives the dealer some money and drives away in some Teslas too. It's completely foolproof.
Perfect until near the end. Gaetan' plans generally are short of proof.
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Dang! It was near perfect. If it wasn't for that unknown quantity of flaw.
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Their hope was to steal them because Chavez or Maduro had rather to make business with US than China or Russian but Obama and Trudeau wanted thier resouces for their big oil and bulk companies and the consequences was a genocide and a crime against humanity, they should be judge for that by an international court but the world of money is a world of crimes and unjustice.
That is not how commodities work. If Venezuela sold all of their oil to China or the Russian Federation, they would not be buying from other sources. Those sources would be available to the US. Because that is how supply works.

What really happened is that Chavez based all of his economic plans on oil at 80 bucks a barrel. All of his eggs in that one basket. The basket fell apart when the oil prices dropped and he couldn't provide what he promised as the cupboard was bare. Let's also not mention how he put all of his cronies in charge of the production of oil. Since they had no real knowledge of oil production, they ran into production problems. This is what will happen with your work center too. Wholely unqualified people trying to run something they don't know how to and will literally run it into the ground and into a state of disrepair that will take generations of honest effort to repair.
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If you want to fight viruses you have to eliminate the money first because you have a lot to do with poisoning the world like selling carbonated drinks full of sugars. As long as you swallow poison your body will have a hard time fighting off any virus. Money is the culprit of all evil.
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If you want to fight viruses you have to eliminate the money first because you have a lot to do with poisoning the world like selling carbonated drinks full of sugars. As long as you swallow poison your body will have a hard time fighting off any virus. Money is the culprit of all evil.
But Diet Dr. Pepper would be free.

Also, when are you moving to Venezuela? Is it because you know you wouldn't like it there, or is it because they won't let you run the damn place?
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But Diet Dr. Pepper would be free.

Also, when are you moving to Venezuela? Is it because you know you wouldn't like it there, or is it because they won't let you run the damn place?
What cause people death is not a flue virus, what cause people death is the use of money
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What cause people death is not a flue virus, what cause people death is the use of money
Why do you hate chimneys?
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The problem with flue viruses is the constant draft.
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What cause people death is not a flue virus, what cause people death is the use of money
No, at best, not having money might be a problem. Using money leads to longer lives. Richer countries live longer. BTW, this will hold true with or without currency. Resources, of which money is but one, will continue to be hoarded by countries, or people, with or without money.
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No, at best, not having money might be a problem. Using money leads to longer lives. Richer countries live longer. BTW, this will hold true with or without currency. Resources, of which money is but one, will continue to be hoarded by countries, or people, with or without money.
Ya but before mopping the floor you must shut off the water running over the bath. You must turn off what cause the problem, money.
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Ya but before mopping the floor you must shut off the water running over the bath. You must turn off what cause the problem, money.
You are blaming the ruler for something being too long or short.

When are you moving the Venezuela? Why is it taking you longer to move there than to answer the question?
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How about Gaetan learns how bathtubs work? Most bathtubs have a overflow drain built in so, unless you have an older bathtub, you'll never have "water running over the bath [sic]
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How about Gaetan learns how bathtubs work? Most bathtubs have a overflow drain built in so, unless you have an older bathtub, you'll never have "water running over the bath [sic]
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OK i replace the bath by toilet
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OK i replace the bath by toilet
Fail.

Toilets have built in overflows also.

Just because you don't know that does not mean they do not exist.
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If you want to fight viruses you have to eliminate the money first because you have a lot to do with poisoning the world like selling carbonated drinks full of sugars. As long as you swallow poison your body will have a hard time fighting off any virus. Money is the culprit of all evil.
You do understand your body runs on sugar, glucose, right?
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Even if it is true that various things cause bad health and greater susceptibility to the effects of a virus, it takes a really really (I mean really) stupid person to suggest that the first thing to do is not to eliminate the virus. Even if (as is not the case) the virus killed only unhealthy people, it would still be stupid. There is just no getting around it.
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Old 17th January 2021, 08:19 AM   #2073
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
Even if it is true that various things cause bad health and greater susceptibility to the effects of a virus, it takes a really really (I mean really) stupid person to suggest that the first thing to do is not to eliminate the virus. Even if (as is not the case) the virus killed only unhealthy people, it would still be stupid. There is just no getting around it.
It is not possible to eliminate a flue virus because it is too contagious, the vaccin they made will only make it worse, independant scientist will tell you that.
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The problem is money, so the solution is to work for free and get goods and services for free. Why insist on using a system that is only good for 1% of the population. You can say spread the money, take from rich and redistribute it, so why playing a game that leads nowhere, it is useless.
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
The problem is money, so the solution is to work for free and get goods and services for free. Why insist on using a system that is only good for 1% of the population. You can say spread the money, take from rich and redistribute it, so why playing a game that leads nowhere, it is useless.
Why are you benefiting from money?

If you believed this bizarre, naive notion, you would not be doing that.

You are quite clearly in receipt of money, some of which you spend to gain internet access to this site and wherever else you may post. Equally, you have no compunction about using money when it suits your purposes.
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Old 24th January 2021, 01:11 PM   #2077
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
Why are you benefiting from money?

If you believed this bizarre, naive notion, you would not be doing that.

You are quite clearly in receipt of money, some of which you spend to gain internet access to this site and wherever else you may post. Equally, you have no compunction about using money when it suits your purposes.
Ya but i' d rather to have it free of charge, not you?
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The problem is money
The problem isn't money.

Your problem is with property rights; with who owns what. Money is just a way of counting to keep score. You want to do away with the rules so there's no keeping of any scores any more.

You have fooled yourself into thinking numbers are your enemy. They're not. Human nature is your enemy. Humans have instinctive understanding of concepts like fairness and like stuff which belongs to them and not to you. You want to do away with those things. Good luck, but you're on a hiding to nothing if you want a world like that populated by humans.

Give it a hundred years or so and then try it on the robots.
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Ya but i' d rather to have it free of charge, not you?
Everyone would like free stuff.

But when you want your free stuff you can't have it because someone else already took it. How are you going to fix that?
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Old 24th January 2021, 02:39 PM   #2080
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
Everyone would like free stuff.

But when you want your free stuff you can't have it because someone else already took it. How are you going to fix that?
If you want more free stuff you have to have more people working free of charge then to abolish money.
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