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Old 24th January 2021, 09:04 PM   #1
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Old 24th January 2021, 10:38 PM   #2
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I would love to buy one and then wrap my phone it in and see if I can call the phone. If I can then it does not work. But I think I will save my money as they probably do not work.
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Old 25th January 2021, 09:25 AM   #3
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But...... Aluminum foil is so cheap, and there’s no problem with sizing....

We actually had a fellow we’d taken into custody who had his hard hat lined with foil.... I asked if it worked and he agreed it was quite effective. (Amid incoherent babbling...)
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Old 25th January 2021, 06:47 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Bikewer View Post
But...... Aluminum foil is so cheap, and there’s no problem with sizing....

We actually had a fellow we’d taken into custody who had his hard hat lined with foil.... I asked if it worked and he agreed it was quite effective. (Amid incoherent babbling...)
Ha! I got a YouTube ad for that just an hour or so ago. On a sciency channel!
There was another one for a "tactical zoom monocular". Because "tactical" makes everything better, even crappy telescopes.
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Old 25th January 2021, 07:23 PM   #5
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Here's a thought though. Let's assume for the scope of this exercise that high levels of such radiation do harm your brain. Let's also assume it does exactly what it does on the tin, namely, reflect microwaves.

Let's also approximate the cap with a hemisphere or so, while you wear it. You can probably already see where this is going.

Well, radiation from the back, sure, it will hit the convex surface and be reflected away. Job done.

What about radiation from the front, though? Like, dunno, when you're browsing on your cell phone while wearing that. Or if you're paranoid enough, wearing it while using the laptop, which is connected to WiFi. Or from the wireless keyboard and mouse.

Right. That one hits the concave surface and is focused towards the middle of the brain. Exposing it to MUCH higher levels of microwaves.

Quoth the meme: But wait, I'm not done yet.

That radiation would normally pass through the brain once, a tiny fraction might be absorbed, but the rest goes on its merry way. Now however it hits that concave side of the cap, and is reflected. The whole upper and back of the cortex will be exposed to twice the dose of radiation: once incoming, once reflected.

So, yeah, especially whoever is the kind who'd wear a tin-foil hat... probably shouldn't
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Old 25th January 2021, 08:26 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by HansMustermann View Post
Here's a thought though. Let's assume for the scope of this exercise that high levels of such radiation do harm your brain. Let's also assume it does exactly what it does on the tin, namely, reflect microwaves.

Let's also approximate the cap with a hemisphere or so, while you wear it. You can probably already see where this is going.

Well, radiation from the back, sure, it will hit the convex surface and be reflected away. Job done.

What about radiation from the front, though? Like, dunno, when you're browsing on your cell phone while wearing that. Or if you're paranoid enough, wearing it while using the laptop, which is connected to WiFi. Or from the wireless keyboard and mouse.

Right. That one hits the concave surface and is focused towards the middle of the brain. Exposing it to MUCH higher levels of microwaves.

Quoth the meme: But wait, I'm not done yet.

That radiation would normally pass through the brain once, a tiny fraction might be absorbed, but the rest goes on its merry way. Now however it hits that concave side of the cap, and is reflected. The whole upper and back of the cortex will be exposed to twice the dose of radiation: once incoming, once reflected.

So, yeah, especially whoever is the kind who'd wear a tin-foil hat... probably shouldn't
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Old 25th January 2021, 09:33 PM   #7
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Nah, that would have the same problem. What you'd really want is a tinfoil burqa.
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Old 25th January 2021, 10:49 PM   #8
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Reading that advertising blurb all I was just blown away by the idea that they think.the key to stopping elephants getting through a fence is making sure the holes are small enough...
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Originally Posted by HansMustermann View Post
Nah, that would have the same problem. What you'd really want is a tinfoil burqa.
I was thinking a with a smaller surface area it would have less chance of a parabolic progressively reflective feedback loop* that could end up causing some serious dain bramage.











*You gotta admit that sounds like some first class technobabble, doesn't it?
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Well, you are right that it would indeed be a smaller reflector, and a lot less likely to form basically a resonance cavity if your head is juuust the right size for the wavelength. Thing is, though, it's still subjecting SOME of the brain to twice the radiation, and a small area of the brain to a LOT more radiation. Both are, of course, less than for a bigger reflector, but they're still worse than not wearing a reflector in the first place.

As I was saying, IMHO if anyone wants it to actually shield them, they really should shield all around. I.e., wear a burqa.
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Hell, I'm even tempted to joke that they should tape some reflective duct tape over their nose and mouth, so they don't inhale those scary microwaves. But I'm afraid that some of the... less... intellectual out there might actually do it.
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On a similar note of pointless uses of faraday cages, here's negative reviews for a faraday box being marketed to keep 5G out of your wireless router. People are upset that it killed their network signal strength for some reason...

https://twitter.com/AnsgarTOdinson/s...15546979803137
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Yeah, THAT one really takes the cake.
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Hell, I'm even tempted to joke that they should tape some reflective duct tape over their nose and mouth, so they don't inhale those scary microwaves. But I'm afraid that some of the... less... intellectual out there might actually do it.

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Hell, I'm even tempted to joke that they should tape some reflective duct tape over their nose and mouth, so they don't inhale those scary microwaves. But I'm afraid that some of the... less... intellectual out there might actually do it.
Why would that be a problem?
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Why would that be a problem?
It would be for their next of kin. They would be dead. Mind you, society might be better off by an increase in average intelligence levels.
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Why would that be a problem?
'Cause people start getting PTSD flashbacks when a German proposes that the mentally unfit should stop breathing
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But...... Aluminum foil is so cheap, and there’s no problem with sizing....
How are you going to make money selling aluminium foil??
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How are you going to make money selling aluminium foil??
too much up-front investment.

I'll sell buckets of water - even better shielding!
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How are you going to make money selling aluminium foil??
There is a great market in selling products that do not add value.
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Hell, I'm even tempted to joke that they should tape some reflective duct tape over their nose and mouth, so they don't inhale those scary microwaves. But I'm afraid that some of the... less... intellectual out there might actually do it.
No problem, they can breath through their ears - there's surely no brain in there to get in the way.
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On a similar note of pointless uses of faraday cages, here's negative reviews for a faraday box being marketed to keep 5G out of your wireless router. People are upset that it killed their network signal strength for some reason...

https://twitter.com/AnsgarTOdinson/s...15546979803137
This one is interesting from a sceptical point of view.

I mean, I'm sure we'd all love it to be true that some numpties and eejits have done this, but...

I've just spent the last hour following links, doing a couple of searches, reading online articles and the like and the ONLY comment of that sort about a Faraday cage cutting out someone's wifi is the one Amazon review cited in that Twitter feed. And even that one is a bit suspect, as the other Amazon reviews he mentions are all piss takes, as are the ones which appear in a related Practical Mechanics piece or ones I found under some other Amazon things.

There are several articles which refer back only to that Twitter feed and to nothing else.

So, next question is: are there any other sources for this story? I would love there to be, but...
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This one is interesting from a sceptical point of view.

I mean, I'm sure we'd all love it to be true that some numpties and eejits have done this, but...

I've just spent the last hour following links, doing a couple of searches, reading online articles and the like and the ONLY comment of that sort about a Faraday cage cutting out someone's wifi is the one Amazon review cited in that Twitter feed. And even that one is a bit suspect, as the other Amazon reviews he mentions are all piss takes, as are the ones which appear in a related Practical Mechanics piece or ones I found under some other Amazon things.

There are several articles which refer back only to that Twitter feed and to nothing else.

So, next question is: are there any other sources for this story? I would love there to be, but...
Shush now, it's true if you believe it's true.

You've done more looking into this than I have, it's entirely possible it's fake.

Funny regardless, so that's where my interest ends.
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^ Being on a sceptical site'n'that (as well as being retired and waiting around for a couple of deliveries...), I thought it might be interesting to see how much I was giving in to confirmation bias in wanting that story to be true.

I find this sort of thing especially interesting, coming from a healthcare background with some science training, as we had a load of manure of the bovine here about wind turbines during the planning process for the turbines we now have - all the illnesses we would have and the interference with (satellite) TV signals and the flicker and...and...None of which has happened and none of which could happen (position of turbines relative to track of sun and position of TV dishes made some of that certain), but so many local numpties were trotting it all out, while looking blankly whenever I said "Nocebo?"
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Just the fact that anyone would buy a Faraday cage for their router at all is already a sign that something isn't ticking right up there, though.
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On the plus side, using silver fibers means you can wear the clothing longer before it starts to smell. Silver has antimicrobial properties and will retard the growth of bacteria on the clothing. No health benefit, but it will protect the clothing itself.
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On the plus side, using silver fibers means you can wear the clothing longer before it starts to smell. Silver has antimicrobial properties and will retard the growth of bacteria on the clothing. No health benefit, but it will protect the clothing itself.

What do you do when the silver begins to tarnish? Rub your Faraday Boxer Briefs with silver polish?
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On the plus side, using silver fibers means you can wear the clothing longer before it starts to smell. Silver has antimicrobial properties and will retard the growth of bacteria on the clothing. No health benefit, but it will protect the clothing itself.
And if you take it internally you turn blue!
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On the plus side, using silver fibers means you can wear the clothing longer before it starts to smell. Silver has antimicrobial properties and will retard the growth of bacteria on the clothing. No health benefit, but it will protect the clothing itself.
Plus, built in protection against werewolves!
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Just the fact that anyone would buy a Faraday cage for their router at all is already a sign that something isn't ticking right up there, though.
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This one is interesting from a sceptical point of view.

I mean, I'm sure we'd all love it to be true that some numpties and eejits have done this, but...

I've just spent the last hour following links, doing a couple of searches, reading online articles and the like and the ONLY comment of that sort about a Faraday cage cutting out someone's wifi is the one Amazon review cited in that Twitter feed. And even that one is a bit suspect, as the other Amazon reviews he mentions are all piss takes, as are the ones which appear in a related Practical Mechanics piece or ones I found under some other Amazon things.

There are several articles which refer back only to that Twitter feed and to nothing else.

So, next question is: are there any other sources for this story? I would love there to be, but...
Either the Faraday cage does not work or it cuts out the Wifi signal. There really are not any other options.

It even says it will block the Wifi signal in the description

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PROTECTS FROM HARMFUL RADIATION - The Wi-Fi Router Cover is proven to block about 95% of electromagnetic field (EMF) and radio frequency (RF) radiation emitted by routers all day long. The EMF blocker works like a Faraday fabric or cage to effectively shield the router and highly reduce the intensity of radiation it emits in a given space.
https://www.amazon.com.au/Upgraded-B...HV6/ref=sr_1_2

Several reviews also said it reduced the wifi signal.
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Old 27th January 2021, 11:21 PM   #33
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How are you going to make money selling aluminium foil??
Hmm... true... I guess I'd better make it an aluminium pasta strainer. That way I can also sell it to our FSM-fearing pastafarian customers.

No, wait, titanium-nickel for maximum durability.
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Old 28th January 2021, 03:45 AM   #34
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Either the Faraday cage does not work or it cuts out the Wifi signal. There really are not any other options.

It even says it will block the Wifi signal in the description


https://www.amazon.com.au/Upgraded-B...HV6/ref=sr_1_2

Several reviews also said it reduced the wifi signal.
Yes, I know how a Faraday cage works...

My quibble, as I said, was about how genuine the reviews about the cages blocking wifi signal actually are, as the bulk of the (many) I read were clear pisstakes, and I did read reviews of several similar products. And there is also a point about confirmation bias among us lot, as we would really like to believe that such reviews are real.
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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King View Post
Yes, I know how a Faraday cage works...

My quibble, as I said, was about how genuine the reviews about the cages blocking wifi signal actually are, as the bulk of the (many) I read were clear pisstakes, and I did read reviews of several similar products. And there is also a point about confirmation bias among us lot, as we would really like to believe that such reviews are real.
If you click on their names you will be able to read other reviews these people have made. After doing that can find no evidence that they wrote fake reviews.
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The one's having the pisstake are the people selling this. It's just a cheap wire-mesh home-office document box worth maybe $5 at most being sold as a $188 crotch-protector for ignorant idjits.
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The ones about it curing their cancer and the like?

I still found way more pisstakes than anything else.

OK, glad to know there are actually some of those eejits out there. Let's get back to mocking them after making sure we have the correct eejits?
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As I was saying, just the fact that anyone buys such a product at all, is already a sign that they're not ticking right. If you don't want EM waves, just use a network cable. If nothing else, you don't start getting lost packets that way. Or get one with an eco/low-power option and turn that on.

I mean, if nothing else, the Faraday cage around the router doesn't do anything to attenuate the signal from the laptop to YOU.
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As I was saying, just the fact that anyone buys such a product at all, is already a sign that they're not ticking right. If you don't want EM waves, just use a network cable. If nothing else, you don't start getting lost packets that way. Or get one with an eco/low-power option and turn that on.

I mean, if nothing else, the Faraday cage around the router doesn't do anything to attenuate the signal from the laptop to YOU.
There are mats to prevent that:
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It still only blocks it downwards. We're in a thread about saving your noggin from radiation, so I'd say clearly a pad under the laptop won't do much for that gang.
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