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Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

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erlando said:
Nice touch telling him to "roll over" when a police officer is literally kneeling on his chest.

The stomp is something else. Completely out of the blue.
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Beating the **** out of someone because they cannot perform a physically impossible task is one of the oldest tricks in the cop playbook.
 
Three Children Attacked a Black Woman. A Sheriff’s Deputy Arrived — and Beat Her More.


…. The video begins with a sheriff’s deputy seen holding the wrist of Arnold, who is lying on her back on the sidewalk. The deputy appears to be dragging her along the pavement. The deputy then grabs Arnold’s arm with his other hand and jerks her upward, lifting her body off the ground. They briefly disappear behind a parked white vehicle. When they come back into view, the deputy is holding Arnold by her braids, slamming her repeatedly onto the cement. At one point, he whips her down so violently her body spins around and flips over.

The footage ends as the deputy crouches down and places a knee onto Arnold’s back…….​
 
Darat said:
Three Children Attacked a Black Woman. A Sheriff’s Deputy Arrived — and Beat Her More.


…. The video begins with a sheriff’s deputy seen holding the wrist of Arnold, who is lying on her back on the sidewalk. The deputy appears to be dragging her along the pavement. The deputy then grabs Arnold’s arm with his other hand and jerks her upward, lifting her body off the ground. They briefly disappear behind a parked white vehicle. When they come back into view, the deputy is holding Arnold by her braids, slamming her repeatedly onto the cement. At one point, he whips her down so violently her body spins around and flips over.

The footage ends as the deputy crouches down and places a knee onto Arnold’s back…….​
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And she's reportedly 4' 8" tall at a whopping 100 pounds. Says she was trying to walk home after three boys beat her up in front of witnesses. People say she gets picked on a lot because of her appearance.

Disturbing video. Or perhpas I'm wrong and someone here can excuse this cops behavior?
 
mgidm86 said:
And she's reportedly 4' 8" tall at a whopping 100 pounds. Says she was trying to walk home after three boys beat her up in front of witnesses. People say she gets picked on a lot because of her appearance.

Disturbing video. Or perhpas I'm wrong and someone here can excuse this cops behavior?
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Isn't the usual excuse that we don't know what happened before the video starts?
 
LONG BEACH, Calif. (CNN) - A California family is demanding answers after a school safety officer shot and critically wounded an 18-year-old woman. The victim has lost all brain function and will be taken off life support, her family says.

Manuela “Mona” Rodriguez, 18, was expected to be disconnected from life support over the weekend, said her family at a news conference Friday. Her organs will be donated. She leaves behind her 5-month-old baby.

Her family’s attorney says Rodriguez was shot in the head Sept. 27 by a school safety officer outside of the Millikan High School campus in Long Beach, California. The 18-year-old, who was not a student at the school, was fighting with a 15-year-old girl when the officer intervened.

Police say Rodriguez then got in the front passenger seat of a grey sedan, and as the vehicle accelerated quickly, the officer fired at it, hitting Rodriguez.

https://www.kswo.com/2021/10/04/woman-18-shot-by-school-safety-officer-being-taken-off-life-support/
 
Captain_Swoop said:
LONG BEACH, Calif. (CNN) - A California family is demanding answers after a school safety officer shot and critically wounded an 18-year-old woman. The victim has lost all brain function and will be taken off life support, her family says.

Manuela “Mona” Rodriguez, 18, was expected to be disconnected from life support over the weekend, said her family at a news conference Friday. Her organs will be donated. She leaves behind her 5-month-old baby.

Her family’s attorney says Rodriguez was shot in the head Sept. 27 by a school safety officer outside of the Millikan High School campus in Long Beach, California. The 18-year-old, who was not a student at the school, was fighting with a 15-year-old girl when the officer intervened.

Police say Rodriguez then got in the front passenger seat of a grey sedan, and as the vehicle accelerated quickly, the officer fired at it, hitting Rodriguez.

https://www.kswo.com/2021/10/04/woman-18-shot-by-school-safety-officer-being-taken-off-life-support/
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It'll be interesting to see how they square this;

“She might have been doing something she wasn’t supposed to, but she was unarmed and already fleeing.”
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With this;

The school district’s use of force policy states that school safety officers “have the duty to use firearms only for self-defense or defense of others to prevent death or great bodily injury.”

It also says officers shall not fire warning shots and shall not fire at a fleeing person, at a moving vehicle or through a vehicle window unless “circumstances clearly warrant the use of a firearm as a final means of defense.”
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Captain_Swoop said:
LONG BEACH, Calif. (CNN) - A California family is demanding answers after a school safety officer shot and critically wounded an 18-year-old woman. The victim has lost all brain function and will be taken off life support, her family says.

Manuela “Mona” Rodriguez, 18, was expected to be disconnected from life support over the weekend, said her family at a news conference Friday. Her organs will be donated. She leaves behind her 5-month-old baby.

Her family’s attorney says Rodriguez was shot in the head Sept. 27 by a school safety officer outside of the Millikan High School campus in Long Beach, California. The 18-year-old, who was not a student at the school, was fighting with a 15-year-old girl when the officer intervened.

Police say Rodriguez then got in the front passenger seat of a grey sedan, and as the vehicle accelerated quickly, the officer fired at it, hitting Rodriguez.

https://www.kswo.com/2021/10/04/woman-18-shot-by-school-safety-officer-being-taken-off-life-support/
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Just plain ******* murder. Can't wait to see how our resident apologists try to spin this.
 
Prosecutors tried to charge an innocent woman with manslaughter under a "felony murder" argument after a cop ran over one of their own with their patrol car, killing them. Judge threw it out.

An Idaho judge has dismissed a manslaughter charge against a woman after she was accused of killing a police officer who was killed by another police officer.

In May of last year, Bonneville County Sheriff's Deputy Wyatt Maser died after his colleague, Sergeant Randy Flegel, accidentally hit him with his police cruiser. In response, the state decided someone needed to pay—and they zeroed in on Jenna Holm, the woman lying on the ground nearby.

It is uncontested that Holm did not kill Maser, having just been tased repeatedly. The officers were trying to help Holm navigate what may have been a mental health crisis, in which Holm had been wielding a machete. (For their part, her attorneys contend she kept the machete for protection in the rural area where her car had broken down.) Though she did not harm any of the officers, Deputy Benjamin Bottcher, another cop on the scene, had to tase her for around a full minute in order to subdue her. After she fell to the ground, Maser crossed the street to handcuff her, at which point Flegel drove into the deputy as he arrived in his car.
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Cops will show up to your mental health crises, taze you for a minute, get run over and killed by their own partners, then try to charge you with manslaughter.

An internal police investigation found that the officers had failed to follow proper safety protocol in securing the scene on the road that evening, concluding that Maser neglected to activate his rear emergency lights and that he had stepped in front of a moving vehicle, and that Bottcher gave wrong directions, left off his emergency lights, and didn't use his flashlight as needed. The state sought to withhold those findings from Holm's defense, although they ultimately failed and had to release them in June.
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Morons.

https://reason.com/2021/10/15/judge-police-cant-blame-bystander-for-cop-killing-another-cop-jenna-holm-idaho/
 
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shemp said:
Just plain ******* murder. Can't wait to see how our resident apologists try to spin this.
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School safety officers are employees of the district, not of any police department, according to Long Beach Unified School District.
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I agree, the "officer" (who is not employed by the police department) appears to have acted improperly.

The 18-year-old, who was not a student at the school, was fighting with a 15-year-old girl when the officer intervened.
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So, prior to the incident, we had an adult assaulting a minor. I guess that little wilding spree didn't work out too well for this young lady. At least in death she can feel comfortable knowing that her actions exposed a bad school safety officer. :thumbsup:
 
Dave Rogers said:
We don't know who assaulted whom from the information supplied so far. I'm sure you'd rather nobody made any accusations they can't currently support.

Dave
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Probably the "victim" and her posse just came there to peacefully discuss some old unresolved school lunch debt. They tried to escape the scene so as to avoid embarrassment to the minor involved. :thumbsup:
 
Beelzebuddy said:
Was it worth the wait?
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I already had filled in the, " the victim was a bad person" on my bingo card but not the "well probably they were a bad person" so yes.

It's not a clearly unjustified shooting like shooting a perfectly unthreatening rioter who was doing no more than heading the assault of a self-proclaimed lynch mob to violently prevent the democratic transfer of power.
 
A man asked two NYPD cops why they weren't wearing facemasks while inside a subway station, as required by law. The cops responded by forcibly ejecting him from the station.

Hall said she got in on the fracas after seeing the officers repeatedly refuse Gilbert’s request that they mask up. She started filming when the male officer grabbed Gilbert by the collar.

“The police just got very aggressive,” she said. “Normally, something like this, I wouldn’t want to be involved, but it was just really annoying and made me angry.”

“They should have just said, ‘You know what, sorry we should have put them on too. Thanks for reminding us.’ And that would’ve been it.”

Gilbert said he has confronted NYPD officers who don’t wear masks on the subway in the past, but it had never escalated to physical confrontation. He has not decided whether to file a complaint, he said.

“Usually they just completely ignore me and put on masks and make up some lame excuse for why they weren’t wearing one or whatever,” he said. “I had one guy explain to me that he was drinking water. Of course, he didn’t have any water on him.”
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https://nypost.com/2021/10/19/cops-push-straphanger-out-of-nyc-subway-station-after-he-asks-they-mask-up/
 
Police chief trains his cops to shoot for the legs first.
LAGRANGE, Ga. — A fundamental tenet of police training in the United States is that officers who fire their weapons in response to a deadly threat should always aim for "center mass," generally the chest. That's the biggest target and so the easiest to hit. But a bullet that finds its mark there is likely to kill.

The police chief in this picturesque Deep South town says there’s a better approach. Louis Dekmar, who has run the LaGrange Police Department for 26 years, is training his officers to shoot for the legs, pelvis or abdomen in situations where they think it could stop a deadly threat without killing the source of that threat. Doing so, he believes, could make a difference in the more than 200 fatal police shootings nationwide every year that involve individuals armed with something other than a gun.

“Every time we avoid taking a life,” Dekmar says, “we maintain trust.”
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https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/georgia-police-chief-aims-to-shoot-not-kill/
 
erlando said:
Don't worry. The resident lethal force enthusiasts will be along shortly to tell him that shooting for the legs doesn't work. (aka here we go again)
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I remain skeptical. Historically we see new "less lethal" techniques promising the reduction of use of force and police killings, in reality they are more often just used as new and creative ways to brutalize people.

When Tasers were first introduced, they were advertised as a way to reduce more dangerous types of force, perhaps even as a substitute for guns in certain applications. In reality cops just use these devices as a convenient and fast way to take control of people they are trying to arrest. They've become an "easy button" for incapacitating people and have done little to decrease harm. They are routinely abused as pain compliance tools in ways that are totally inappropriate and wildly dangerous.

Cops might say they're going to start shooting people in the legs to save lives, but I don't buy it. I imagine such a policy would increase total numbers of police shootings and fatalities, not decrease.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I remain skeptical. Historically we see new "less lethal" techniques promising the reduction of use of force and police killings, in reality they are more often just used as new and creative ways to brutalize people.
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I remain skeptical because, IMO, barring some rare outliers, if you are shooting someone you have concluded your life is in imminent danger and you need to ensure that threat stops, so you aim for center mass.

If going for a harder to hit target (the leg), then I question your threat assessment. The issue is not what you are aiming for, it's with your decision to shoot in the first place.
 
bonzombiekitty said:
I remain skeptical because, IMO, barring some rare outliers, if you are shooting someone you have concluded your life is in imminent danger and you need to ensure that threat stops, so you aim for center mass.

If going for a harder to hit target (the leg), then I question your threat assessment. The issue is not what you are aiming for, it's with your decision to shoot in the first place.
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Yes. It's an excuse to open fire more often for worse reasons...and, hey, if they hit the unarmed suspected shoplifter in the head, well, it's an honest mistake in a high-stress situation.
 
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Babbylonian said:
Yes. It's an excuse to open fire more often for worse reasons...and, hey, if they hit the unarmed suspected shoplifter in the head, well, it's an honest mistake in a high-stress situation.
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I agree with your points but it is still good to hear a senior police officer that wants to kill fewer citizens!
 
Babbylonian said:
Yes. It's an excuse to open fire more often for worse reasons...and, hey, if they hit the unarmed suspected shoplifter in the head, well, it's an honest mistake in a high-stress situation.
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Not necessarily. Read the link. The chief contends, with support from research from other countries, that the traditional "aim at center mass" instruction results in a higher percentage of lethal outcomes. He contends that shooting for the legs, abdomen and pelvis will result in a more survivable wound. He doesn't try justify opening fire in more circumstances.
 
Bob001 said:
Not necessarily. Read the link. The chief contends, with support from research from other countries, that the traditional "aim at center mass" instruction results in a higher percentage of lethal outcomes. He contends that shooting for the legs, abdomen and pelvis will result in a more survivable wound. He doesn't try justify opening fire in more circumstances.
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Yes, and other countries also often only arm their most highly trained officers and don't train those officers that police work is equivalent to war.

Sorry, but I have zero trust in our police. None. Nada. Until we find a way to start from scratch (I've suggested before a 10-year process of replacing all current officers with new ones, properly trained) I never will.
 
bonzombiekitty said:
I remain skeptical because, IMO, barring some rare outliers, if you are shooting someone you have concluded your life is in imminent danger and you need to ensure that threat stops, so you aim for center mass.

If going for a harder to hit target (the leg), then I question your threat assessment. The issue is not what you are aiming for, it's with your decision to shoot in the first place.
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Didn't we already go through this with European forces that are trained to shoot to incapacitate rather than for center of mass?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
LONG BEACH, Calif. (CNN) - A California family is demanding answers after a school safety officer shot and critically wounded an 18-year-old woman. The victim has lost all brain function and will be taken off life support, her family says.

Manuela “Mona” Rodriguez, 18, was expected to be disconnected from life support over the weekend, said her family at a news conference Friday. Her organs will be donated. She leaves behind her 5-month-old baby.

Her family’s attorney says Rodriguez was shot in the head Sept. 27 by a school safety officer outside of the Millikan High School campus in Long Beach, California. The 18-year-old, who was not a student at the school, was fighting with a 15-year-old girl when the officer intervened.

Police say Rodriguez then got in the front passenger seat of a grey sedan, and as the vehicle accelerated quickly, the officer fired at it, hitting Rodriguez.

https://www.kswo.com/2021/10/04/woman-18-shot-by-school-safety-officer-being-taken-off-life-support/
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Cop charged with murder

BREAKING: Long Beach school safety officer Eddie Gonzalez charged with murder in the shooting of 18-year-old Mona Rodriguez.
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https://twitter.com/JamesQueallyLAT/status/1453476341525868544?t=ZUGKXpbPr2pOalJIO_-3gQ&s=19]
 
Karen calls 911 on some homeless guy with a dog panhandling for money, cops show up, arrest him, and taze the dog which promptly flees into traffic and is killed by a car.

‘She was just doing her job’: Homeless vet loses service dog during arrest for panhandling
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https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2021/10/27/i-just-wanted-to-die-homeless-veteran-loses-service-dog-during-arrest-for-panhandling/

Protecting and serving by terrorizing the human wreckage of our forever wars, #backtheblue
 
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New York State trooper charged with murder after ramming family's car, killing 11-year-old girl

A New York State trooper has been charged with murder and manslaughter in the death of 11-year-old Monica Goods, Attorney General Letitia James announced Wednesday. Christopher Baldner is accused of ramming a car with four members of the Goods family inside, flipping the car and killing Monica while on duty in December 2020.


The attorney general's office said Baldner was in his police car when he stopped Tristan Goods for speeding in Ulster County just before midnight on December 22. He was going to visit family for Christmas and had his wife and two daughters, who are 11 and 12 years old, in the car with him. During the stop, Baldner administered pepper spray into the Goods' car and Tristan Goods sped off, the indictment said.

The trooper followed the family's car, ramming into the back of their car twice before Goods' vehicle flipped multiple times. Monica Goods was ejected from the car and died, the attorney general said.
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Louisiana man who had life savings seized by DEA agents without being charged with a crime, wins legal battle to get the money returned

Kermit Warren, a New Orleans man, brought nearly $30,000 cash with him in his carry-on luggage on a flight to Columbus, Ohio last November, intending to buy a tow truck there. The money represented his life savings, and as he had lost his shoe-shine job due to the pandemic, he wanted the truck to supplement a new living collecting and selling scrap. The sale of the truck was not completed, however; and on his way through the airport to catch his return flight, he was stopped by DEA agents who seized the money when he panicked and gave unsatisfying answers to their questions about it, including one false offhand remark about having been a former police officer. Warren was never charged with anything at any point - or even arrested - he was allowed to continue on his flight; but the money was summarily confiscated. It has taken him and his lawyer all year to prove his innocence to a point that satisfied the government enough to order the return of the money.

Law enforcement at all levels of government are empowered to seize money and property found during "investigations" that never lead to charges, under the argument that even if an actual crime is never found and nobody is ever charged with anything, there are certain amounts of cash money and/or certain ways of carrying it that law enforcement officers "just know" can only reasonably be explained by drug criminality and any other reasoning given by someone in possession of such an amount is inherently absurd and dishonest (an argument that has been made unironically by some in this very forum, it must be said); and thus, the money can be unilaterally declared criminal proceeds without any known crime attached to it and seized by law enforcement authorities.

Since the money is at once "criminal" in nature but not technically "evidence" in any case, the agency that seizes the money is not required to keep it, but (with some superficial restrictions that vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction) is generally free to spend that money however they wish.
 
Checkmite said:
Louisiana man who had life savings seized by DEA agents without being charged with a crime, wins legal battle to get the money returned

Kermit Warren, a New Orleans man, brought nearly $30,000 cash with him in his carry-on luggage on a flight to Columbus, Ohio last November, intending to buy a tow truck there. The money represented his life savings, and as he had lost his shoe-shine job due to the pandemic, he wanted the truck to supplement a new living collecting and selling scrap. The sale of the truck was not completed, however; and on his way through the airport to catch his return flight, he was stopped by DEA agents who seized the money when he panicked and gave unsatisfying answers to their questions about it, including one false offhand remark about having been a former police officer. Warren was never charged with anything at any point - or even arrested - he was allowed to continue on his flight; but the money was summarily confiscated. It has taken him and his lawyer all year to prove his innocence to a point that satisfied the government enough to order the return of the money.

Law enforcement at all levels of government are empowered to seize money and property found during "investigations" that never lead to charges, under the argument that even if an actual crime is never found and nobody is ever charged with anything, there are certain amounts of cash money and/or certain ways of carrying it that law enforcement officers "just know" can only reasonably be explained by drug criminality and any other reasoning given by someone in possession of such an amount is inherently absurd and dishonest (an argument that has been made unironically by some in this very forum, it must be said); and thus, the money can be unilaterally declared criminal proceeds without any known crime attached to it and seized by law enforcement authorities.

Since the money is at once "criminal" in nature but not technically "evidence" in any case, the agency that seizes the money is not required to keep it, but (with some superficial restrictions that vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction) is generally free to spend that money however they wish.
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On that note...

'Highway robbers': How a trip to buy farmland ended with police taking all his cash
A Vietnamese immigrant and his business partner are fighting to get back more than $100,000 seized by Oklahoma police who allege that it was drug money.
 
Newly minted MA state trooper kills motorcyclist while driving drunk at 1:30 AM on the freeway.



Off-duty, newly-graduated state police trooper charged with OUI following deadly motorcycle crash


At Carr’s arraignment, prosecutor Amanda Cascione said Carr and a woman spent the hours before the fatal crash drinking at three Boston establishments. The woman told police Kristopher Carr consumed up to seven drinks during the night, including whiskey, beer, and vodka seltzer. The woman told police she was in the SUV with Carr.

“She indicated the defendant was operating and her memory of the incident is that they were driving south on Route 93,” Cascione said. “She indicated to troopers that the defendant leaned over to attempt to kiss her. And the next thing she remembers happening is the collision and the airbags being deployed.”
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https://www.boston25news.com/news/local/off-duty-newly-graduated-state-police-trooper-charged-with-oui-following-deadly-motorcycle-crash/JB62PCPI5RHQ5DMU7LTUT5CIN4/

The rookie trooper was a veteran of a local police force before joining the state police.
 
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Good cops quit

Only Minneapolis police officer formally disciplined for misconduct tied to the department's riot response has left job, Minnesota
She alleged she had long been target of bias in MPD.

Colleen Ryan is an openly gay, liberal feminist who wears T-shirts emblazoned with Ruth Bader Ginsburg quotes.

She's also the only Minneapolis police officer formally disciplined for misconduct tied to the department's riot response last year that prompted repeated allegations of unchecked police brutality.

Ryan's infraction: speaking without permission to a magazine columnist about what she called a toxic, para-militant police culture that breeds dangerous officers like Derek Chauvin.

The 29-year-old quit her job Oct. 21 and left Minnesota a week later for a new career outside the country. Ryan also filed a complaint with the Minnesota Department of Human Rights, alleging her former employer discriminated against her because she's a lesbian who advocated for "women and queer officers" in the workplace. The state is investigating the charge.
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https://www.startribune.com/only-minneapolis-police-officer-formally-disciplined-for-misconduct-tied-to-the-department-s-riot-re/600111337/

The only cop formally disciplined for MPD's wildly violent response to anti-police protests was someone who spoke to a liberal journalist.
 
Checkmite said:
Louisiana man who had life savings seized by DEA agents without being charged with a crime, wins legal battle to get the money returned

Kermit Warren, a New Orleans man, brought nearly $30,000 cash with him in his carry-on luggage on a flight to Columbus, Ohio last November, intending to buy a tow truck there. The money represented his life savings, and as he had lost his shoe-shine job due to the pandemic, he wanted the truck to supplement a new living collecting and selling scrap. The sale of the truck was not completed, however; and on his way through the airport to catch his return flight, he was stopped by DEA agents who seized the money when he panicked and gave unsatisfying answers to their questions about it, including one false offhand remark about having been a former police officer. Warren was never charged with anything at any point - or even arrested - he was allowed to continue on his flight; but the money was summarily confiscated. It has taken him and his lawyer all year to prove his innocence to a point that satisfied the government enough to order the return of the money.

Law enforcement at all levels of government are empowered to seize money and property found during "investigations" that never lead to charges, under the argument that even if an actual crime is never found and nobody is ever charged with anything, there are certain amounts of cash money and/or certain ways of carrying it that law enforcement officers "just know" can only reasonably be explained by drug criminality and any other reasoning given by someone in possession of such an amount is inherently absurd and dishonest (an argument that has been made unironically by some in this very forum, it must be said); and thus, the money can be unilaterally declared criminal proceeds without any known crime attached to it and seized by law enforcement authorities.

Since the money is at once "criminal" in nature but not technically "evidence" in any case, the agency that seizes the money is not required to keep it, but (with some superficial restrictions that vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction) is generally free to spend that money however they wish.
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Civil forfeiture is a scandal. How a nation such as the USA has such a practice is beyond belief.
 
erlando said:
Civil forfeiture is a scandal. How a nation such as the USA has such a practice is beyond belief.
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In the UK we had to create new legislation to be able to go after the "big" criminals - such as ex-dictators. Sounds like the USA police can simply decide you've too much cash!
 
Veteran Inglewood police officer arrested for trafficking narcotics

A veteran Inglewood police officer and a man once approved to be his confidential informant are facing federal drug trafficking charges, according to court documents unsealed on Friday.

John Abel Baca, a 45-year-old Whittier resident and a 21-year veteran of the Inglewood Police Department, was arrested Oct. 21 after a federal grand jury returned a two-count indictment charging him with distribution of cocaine, according to the U.S. attorney’s office for the Central District of California.

Baca’s case was unsealed Friday after his alleged accomplice, 42-year-old South Los Angeles resident Gerardo Ekonomo, was arrested, prosecutors said.

FBI agents carried out a search warrant Thursday at Ekonomo’s home, where they seized drugs buried in his yard, a gun and ammunition inside the residence, prosecutors said.
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https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-10-29/inglewood-police-officer-arrested-faces-federal-drug-trafficking-charges
 
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