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Old 21st October 2021, 02:28 AM   #2561
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"The deal may boost New Zealand’s GDP by $970m or around 0.3%. However, last year’s analysis by the UK government found that its effect on Britain’s GDP would probably have “limited effect … in the long run” – being between a positive growth of 0.01% or negative growth of -0.01%."
The Brexit bonuses keeps rolling in...
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Old 21st October 2021, 03:00 AM   #2562
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Originally Posted by KDLarsen View Post
The Brexit bonuses keeps rolling in...
Although the impact on the economy is expected to be negligible, the likely impact on farmers - who were generally in favour of Brexit - is likely to be large and negative.

Hardest hit are likely to be hill farmers producing lamb.

It is however a potential step to being able to join the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) because it makes so much sense to join a trading bloc on the other side of the world rather than on on your own doorstep.
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Old 21st October 2021, 03:15 AM   #2563
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So the trade deal benefits New Zealand but the government's own figures show it will actually shrink the UK economy?

But somehow it's a triumph for Brexit?
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Old 21st October 2021, 03:23 AM   #2564
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Old 21st October 2021, 03:34 AM   #2565
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
So the trade deal benefits New Zealand but the government's own figures show it will actually shrink the UK economy?

But somehow it's a triumph for Brexit?
Perhaps because it advances the UK's membership of a trading bloc on the other side of the world so even though this specific deal won't grow the UK economy and will hit the farming industry hard, there may be potential benefits years or decades down the line - you just have to believe hard enough.
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Old 21st October 2021, 04:06 AM   #2566
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
So the trade deal benefits New Zealand but the government's own figures show it will actually shrink the UK economy?

But somehow it's a triumph for Brexit?
It will only potentially cost us negative growth of -0.01%, compared to the billions lost elsewhere that's a triumph!
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Old 21st October 2021, 05:35 AM   #2567
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Originally Posted by erwinl View Post
I don't think they had misinterpretated the rules. These are very clear.
Anything entering after the 1 july date had to have VAT added.
The date of the start of the subscription has nothing to do with this. Or else people can take a say 50 years subscription and they would only have to pay VAT starting in 2071. Which is not reasonable.

What I think what happened is that subscriptions like 'Private Eye', knew about the rules and their impact, but banked on the misinterpretations by their subscribers and used that to nab a few extra subscriptions. Banking on a kind of FOMO, as it were.

Bit of a dick move by them, if you ask my opinion. And one where they would absolutely lose my subscription for ever if they would ever do a thing like that to me.
I think Private Eye did this in good faith and seem adamant it is the Tulli's (customs') fault. I sent the Tulli Private Eye's indignant response that they were 'fully IOSS compliant'. The official wrote back asking for the 'MRN' or the 'AVI' to prove it had been declared for customs clearance, which I forwarded to Private Eye and am just awaiting a response. Their printers are Pressdam, who do all of the distributing.

I also get a trade magazine from the UK as part of annual professional subs but I haven't been asked for VAT on that (yet: it only comes out quarterly).

I can't help wondering how Tulli knows that magazine is OK but Private Eye is not, out of all of the post that arrives daily.
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Old 21st October 2021, 05:47 AM   #2568
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Originally Posted by Lothian View Post
Vat is due on magazines sold in the EU. Businesses selling all over the EU can use a simplified system where they pay all the VAT for the EU in one state rather than in each separate one.
While we were in the EU Private Eye could pay all the vat on all its EU sales in the UK where conveniently the vat on magazines was 0%.

Now we have left either VAT is paid by the recipient in import at the appropriate rate for the country or Private Eye could readopt the simplified system but in another EU state, albeit most countries will charge VAT on magazines.

Where money is collected up front eg on a subscription that normally creates a tax point that sets the VAT rate, however that would only affect UK VAT. Once we left the EU things changed for EU recipients of goods from the UK and forestalling (paying in advance to take advantage of a law change) probably wouldn't save you a tax bill.
Thanks, that makes sense. However, for me it is the principle of it, so if it happens that VAT is being paid and declared by Pressdam (probably not) and being paid again by myself, it means someone has made an error. Tulli's view is that the customer should claim back the VAT from the seller. However, I can't be doing that every couple of weeks for such a trivial sum for the next two years. What makes it even more complicated is that the value of goods is banded, so it also falls in the category of 'less than €150'.

If British exporters are having to go through this level of paperwork in Europe a hundred thousandfold of this nonsense then I can see why they have been banging their heads in frustration.
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Old 21st October 2021, 05:54 AM   #2569
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
I think Private Eye did this in good faith and seem adamant it is the Tulli's (customs') fault. I sent the Tulli Private Eye's indignant response that they were 'fully IOSS compliant'. The official wrote back asking for the 'MRN' or the 'AVI' to prove it had been declared for customs clearance, which I forwarded to Private Eye and am just awaiting a response. Their printers are Pressdam, who do all of the distributing.

I also get a trade magazine from the UK as part of annual professional subs but I haven't been asked for VAT on that (yet: it only comes out quarterly).

I can't help wondering how Tulli knows that magazine is OK but Private Eye is not, out of all of the post that arrives daily.
Pressdram, to be exact.
As far as I can find out, Pressdram is the owner company of Private Eye. But as they don't seem to have any website of their own, other that that of Private Eye itself, it seems these are different companies only because of tax and/or liability reasons.
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Old 21st October 2021, 05:58 AM   #2570
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Thanks, that makes sense. However, for me it is the principle of it, so if it happens that VAT is being paid and declared by Pressdam (probably not) and being paid again by myself, it means someone has made an error.
Could be. It is also possible, this is done on purpose.
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On purpose for exactly this reason. There is some savings to be made here by a company.....
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What makes it even more complicated is that the value of goods is banded, so it also falls in the category of 'less than €150'.
... perhaps even specifically to stiff those evil EU subscribers (who knows, might even be true).
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If British exporters are having to go through this level of paperwork in Europe a hundred thousandfold of this nonsense then I can see why they have been banging their heads in frustration.
Well. This is what the Brexiteers wanted, didn't they?
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Old 21st October 2021, 05:59 AM   #2571
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The UK has agreed a free trade deal with New Zealand which it says will benefit consumers and businesses.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the deal will cut costs for exporters and open up New Zealand's job market to UK professionals.

The government hopes it is a step towards joining a trade club with the likes of Canada and Japan.
But the New Zealand deal itself is unlikely to boost UK growth, according to the government's own estimates.
Labour and the National Farmers Union (NFU) said that it could hurt UK farmers and lower food standards.
Overall, only a tiny proportion of UK trade is done with New Zealand, less than 0.2%.

Mr Johnson and New Zealand's Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, agreed the pact in a video call on Wednesday after 16 months of negotiations.
Tariffs will be removed on UK goods including clothing, ships and bulldozers, and on New Zealand goods including wine, honey and kiwi fruits.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58988711
"The aukus squawkers caucus now has thwartus. But howzabout that, boys and girls, the Trusster does it again: a deal with the formidable girlyswot Thingybob Ardvakus. A Manuka bazooka, Kiwi lamb and Cat's Pee on a Gooseberry Bush Marlborough Sauvignon de Blanca coming your way gazsoonicus" ~ Downing Street Press Release
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New Zealand's going to be buying a lot of ships.
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Old 23rd October 2021, 02:24 AM   #2573
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Originally Posted by erwinl View Post
Could be. It is also possible, this is done on purpose. On purpose for exactly this reason. There is some savings to be made here by a company..... ... perhaps even specifically to stiff those evil EU subscribers (who knows, might even be true).

Well. This is what the Brexiteers wanted, didn't they?
Somebody on Twitter is also complaining:

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Not in Germany. There's a customs declaration on the shipping label, but the magazine just arrives with my normal post (which is good, because Deutsche Post would charge a 6€ fee to process it if there was a customs charge)
https://twitter.com/BDStanley/status...492094977?s=20

Note: there seems to be a pre-printed customs declaration on mine.

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It looks like Private Eye actually already pays the EU VAT for you under the IOSS scheme and you're getting double charged. Not sure what you do about that though

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Old 23rd October 2021, 02:59 AM   #2574
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Note: there seems to be a pre-printed customs declaration on mine.
When I send products overseas the customs labels are printed by the courier website when I process the shipping.
I would expect them to be preprinted from any commercial shipper.
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Old 23rd October 2021, 04:08 AM   #2575
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When I send products overseas the customs labels are printed by the courier website when I process the shipping.
I would expect them to be preprinted from any commercial shipper.
Somebody has erred. I expect I am not the only person to have complained so it will be interesting to see how it sorts out. Still waiting for Pressdram to come back with their AVI or MRN reference as requested by Tulli.

ETA: the cover sheet of my copy looks the same (or similar) to the German tweeter who has had no problem. I'm guessing it is the Bureaucrats Syndrome, of assuming that anything that goes wrong must be 'user error' and not theirs.
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Today in Tesco, items very limited - of all things jam! Also bacon, plenty of bacon but very little variety with only half a shelf for the expensive - your pig was named Dave and had an outside life in meadows of daisies and cuddly toys - type.
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Today in Tesco, items very limited - of all things jam! Also bacon, plenty of bacon but very little variety with only half a shelf for the expensive - your pig was named Dave and had an outside life in meadows of daisies and cuddly toys - type.
My favourite vendor was out of the expensive mince pies
It's a disgrace, and I complained. Also none of the small glass bottles of Pellegrino that C likes. My goddess, what horrors will be inflicted on us next?
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Funny to hear a pig farmer who voted Brexit discussing their problems saying “this is not the Brexit I voted for”, really wish the presenter had said “yes it is”.
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Old 23rd October 2021, 11:45 AM   #2579
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Funny to hear a pig farmer who voted Brexit discussing their problems saying “this is not the Brexit I voted for”, really wish the presenter had said “yes it is”.
Yeahbut, pointing out that these things were likely to happen was Project Fear and all we had to do was Believe and Tinkerbelle would still be alive, riding around on a unicorn, distributing milk and honey.

Why, yes, I do live in a constituency which voted "leave" and is full of farmers...Including hill farmers of lamb who are about to be screwed over by the NZ trade deal (still, I should be able to get NZ sticky rieslings more easily, so that makes up for knackering chunks of the Northumberland economy, doesn't it?).
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Yeahbut, pointing out that these things were likely to happen was Project Fear and all we had to do was Believe and Tinkerbelle would still be alive, riding around on a unicorn, distributing milk and honey.
I had a couple of ex-colleagues tell me"we just all had to pull together". I replied that my experience of negotiating international trade treaties was limited so not sure how I could help. There were a lot more expletives in the original.
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I feel for you all, but it's not just Brexit. Shipping is screwed up all over. Most critical to me is that there's a shortage of cat food. You try explaining it to them!
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hill farmers of lamb who are about to be screwed over by the NZ trade deal
A bit of karma for NZ being screwed over when Britain joined the EEC, no?
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I feel for you all, but it's not just Brexit. Shipping is screwed up all over. Most critical to me is that there's a shortage of cat food. You try explaining it to them!
Well when they start looking at you with that expression that says they are wondering how you would taste just run.
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Well when they start looking at you with that expression that says they are wondering how you would taste just run.
You mean 5 minutes after they miss their first meal?
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As Parody Boris proposing posted
I'm totally confident that what the British people wanted from Brexit was raw sewage to be dumped into our rivers
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As Parody Boris proposing posted
I'm totally confident that what the British people wanted from Brexit was raw sewage to be dumped into our rivers
tbh the only way that Brexit could be made to work is to reduce standards (if anyone believed it when the Government said we wanted to raise standards is only fooling themselves) in a race to the bottom to allow companies to maximise profits at the expense of the public and the environment.
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tbh the only way that Brexit could be made to work is to reduce standards (if anyone believed it when the Government said we wanted to raise standards is only fooling themselves) in a race to the bottom to allow companies to maximise profits at the expense of the public and the environment.
But that's all Project Fear and we'll really have The Best Standards In The World Because We Are British...Jacob Rees Mog told me, so it must be true - we were standing outside a bank in Dublin, where he'd just been to make sure all of his businesses were safely registered...
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We've had a "legal" discharge from the sewage works up the road into the Thames about 10 days ago. Thankfully there is of course now no threat from those EU meddlers trying to stop us benefiting from good old English sewage!
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On top of the sewage discharge story. Since Brexit the UK has changed regulations to allow untreated sewage to be spread on farmland as fertilizer.
Previously only treated sewage sludge was permitted.
If that wasn't bad enough (it should be but isnt) the UK Gov agreed to take 30,000 tonnes of sewage from the Netherlands and spread it on fields in England, which drain into local rivers + water sources.

In Europe it's illegal to dump untreated waste on fields.

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On top of the sewage discharge story. Since Brexit the UK has changed regulations to allow untreated sewage to be spread on farmland
Previously only treated sewage sludge was permitted. It's a good organic fertilizer.
If that wasn't bad enough (it should be but isnt) the UK Gov agreed to take 30,000 tonnes of human waste from the Netherlands and spread it on fields in England, which drain into local rivers + water sources.

In Europe it's illegal to dump untreated waste on fields, not so here.
A key message from the Brexiteers was that we should leave the EU because we were figuratively sick of taking their ****

Now we have left, we are literally taking their ****
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The Tories are literally making you eat **** as well as swim in it
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The Tories are literally making you eat **** as well as swim in it
And yet the great British English public are lapping it up.

And economically ruinous Brexit, a pandemic responsible for 150,000 deaths, cronyism and corruption all exacerbated by their trademark incompetence, laziness and stupidity.

Makes you wonder what they'd have to do to actually lose their grip on power.
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And yet the great British English public are lapping it up.

And economically ruinous Brexit, a pandemic responsible for 150,000 deaths, cronyism and corruption all exacerbated by their trademark incompetence, laziness and stupidity.

Makes you wonder what they'd have to do to actually lose their grip on power.
Change the party name to Labour?
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My local MP covering himself in glory, as usual

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Sewage vote: Tory MP accuses activist of ‘spreading hatred’ & left with dirt on his face
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/ne...w4s882og7oI5IQ

He is a deeply stupid and uninquisitive man who will simply do whatever the party leadership tells him - which makes it difficult for him to explain his actions.
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Old 25th October 2021, 08:48 AM   #2595
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My local MP covering himself in glory, as usual



https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/ne...w4s882og7oI5IQ

He is a deeply stupid and uninquisitive man who will simply do whatever the party leadership tells him - which makes it difficult for him to explain his actions.
This is why we bought in Torfaen
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Old 25th October 2021, 05:00 PM   #2596
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From 7th January the UK will cease to recognise and allow import of mineral water from the EU and EEA. In order to promote Britain's clean, healthy and delicious natural mineral waters.



Notice of withdrawal of recognition for natural mineral water
Letters from the Rt Hon George Eustice giving notice that the recognition of established EEA and EU natural mineral waters will end on 7 January 2022.

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Dear Ms Gallina,
After the end of the transition period, Directive 2009/54/EC no longer applies to the United
Kingdom, with the exception of the United Kingdom in respect of Northern Ireland.
As you are aware, the UK Government legislated to roll over the recognition of all existing
recognised EU natural mineral waters after the end of the Transition Period for a period of
six months.
I am therefore serving you notice of cessation of accreditation of the established EU
recognised natural mineral waters which will cease in England from January 7 2022, in
accordance with The Natural Mineral Water, Spring Water and Bottled Water (England)
Regulations 2007, regulation 9A.
As a consequence, all natural mineral waters which obtained their recognition in or by an
EU member state will no longer be authorised for import into England as natural mineral
waters, unless they are recognised as such by a responsible authority of the United Kingdom
with the exception of Northern Ireland.
Those producers affected by these measures will be able to apply for recognition from today.
Further information can be found at our GOV.UK website1
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I would be grateful if you could communicate this information to all EUMS. I will also write
separately to inform the Icelandic Food and Veterinary Authority and the Norwegian Food
Safety Authority.
Yours sincerely,
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-mineral-water

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I for one am looking forward to enjoying the mineral water/raw sewage cocktail which will be available.
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I for one am looking forward to enjoying the mineral water/raw sewage cocktail which will be available.

It’s organic, free-range water!


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Ten months from sunlit uplands to UK exports plunged, prices rising, supermarket shelves emptying, food rotting in the fields, pigs being incinerated and England's rivers are flowing with sewage.
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