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Old 14th January 2022, 02:56 AM   #801
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From Yale graduate and former NY Times reporter Alex Berenson:
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/...4jZzOk5aXftig4
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Old 14th January 2022, 03:07 AM   #802
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
From Yale graduate and former NY Times reporter Alex Berenson:
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/...4jZzOk5aXftig4
Why would you believe an Ivy-league Elitist?
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Old 14th January 2022, 03:11 AM   #803
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Originally Posted by welshdean View Post
You forgot the smilies mate. People might think that was a serious post.

ETA: 'visa v'? Is that a special kind of credit card?
I assume it's the semi-literate version of 'vis--vis'.
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Old 14th January 2022, 03:13 AM   #804
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I think those of us who are Intimate with Evil
And how have you become "Intimate with Evil? Succubus perhaps?

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The depopulation Program is well underway

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visa v

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this bioweapon.

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Meanwhile, the Adrenochrome Slurpers

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Of course, only the dim and naive

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It's their way of having a laugh. that's the way these sick ******* lizard operate.
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I had fun doing the capitalizations, but it was hard for me to commit to the grammar and spelling.
It's a good 8.5/10. Needs more phlegm...



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Visa v made the post for me.
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Old 14th January 2022, 03:34 AM   #806
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Why would you believe an Ivy-league Elitist?
Do you believe Tony Fauci?

He got his MD at Cornell.
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Old 14th January 2022, 03:49 AM   #807
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
Do you believe Tony Fauci?

He got his MD at Cornell.
I was asking You:
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Old 14th January 2022, 04:21 AM   #808
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
From Yale graduate and former NY Times reporter Alex Berenson:
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/...4jZzOk5aXftig4
I suggest you check the source of this data, namely this, which I copied from your link, and is the source of Berenson's claims about Canada:
https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-1...ccine-outcomes

Then tell us whether you think Berenson is correctly interpreting this data or not.

Honestly, this is so funny! Well, the numbers of Covid cases aren't funny at all, but the way the data COMPLETELY disproves both Berenson and Tom Palven is hilarious!
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Old 14th January 2022, 05:04 AM   #809
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
From Yale graduate and former NY Times reporter Alex Berenson:
Alex Berenson writes fiction. His first novel, in 2006, won an Edgar.

Berenson is also known for his pandemic fiction.

Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
Do you believe Tony Fauci?

He got his MD at Cornell.
An MD degree implies more relevant expertise than Berenson's bachelor's degree in history and economics.

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I suggest you check the source of this data, namely this, which I copied from your link, and is the source of Berenson's claims about Canada:
https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-1...ccine-outcomes

Then tell us whether you think Berenson is correctly interpreting this data or not.

Honestly, this is so funny! Well, the numbers of Covid cases aren't funny at all, but the way the data COMPLETELY disproves both Berenson and Tom Palven is hilarious!
ETA:
Tables 6, 8, 11 and Figures 10 and 11 are the easiest to interpret.

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Old 14th January 2022, 05:26 AM   #810
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
Do you believe Tony Fauci?

He got his MD at Cornell.
I believe know that Fauci's statements are correctly based on the best science available as provided by many experts in the forefront of related fields of medicine.

Why do you believe some blogger whose own sole opinion is evidence free and based on nothing but fantasy and desire to be seen as someone clever and/or important?
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Old 14th January 2022, 06:26 AM   #811
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Seems Berenson is full of **** in other areas as well.

"He authored the controversial 2019 book Tell Your Children: The Truth About Marijuana, Mental Illness and Violence that has been denounced as alarmist and inaccurate by many in the scientific and medical communities because of his claims that cannabis causes psychosis and violence; many scientists state that he is drawing inappropriate conclusions from the research, primarily by inferring causation from correlation, as well as cherry picking  data that fits his narrative, and falling victim to selection bias via his use of anecdotes to back up his assertions." - source
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Old 14th January 2022, 06:31 AM   #812
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Originally Posted by Foster Zygote View Post
Seems Berenson is full of **** in other areas as well.

"He authored the controversial 2019 book Tell Your Children: The Truth About Marijuana, Mental Illness and Violence that has been denounced as alarmist and inaccurate by many in the scientific and medical communities because of his claims that cannabis causes psychosis and violence; many scientists state that he is drawing inappropriate conclusions from the research, primarily by inferring causation from correlation, as well as cherry picking  data that fits his narrative, and falling victim to selection bias via his use of anecdotes to back up his assertions." - source
Makes him an ideal resource for Tom Palven then.
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Old 14th January 2022, 06:42 AM   #813
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
Do you believe Tony Fauci?

He got his MD at Cornell.
Where he graduated first in his class.

By continuing to focus on Anthony Fauci, and ignore the fact that he's merely one among an overwhelming majority of infectious disease experts around the world saying the same things, you're just confirming that you'll feign ignorance of transparently obvious facts in order to avoid admitting that you are wrong, which, of course, also tells us that you know you are wrong.
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Old 14th January 2022, 06:45 AM   #814
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Makes him an ideal resource for Tom Palven then.
He must've seen Reefer Madness and thought it was well researched.
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Originally Posted by Foster Zygote View Post
Where he graduated first in his class.

By continuing to focus on Anthony Fauci, and ignore the fact that he's merely one among an overwhelming majority of infectious disease experts around the world saying the same things, you're just confirming that you'll feign ignorance of transparently obvious facts in order to avoid admitting that you are wrong, which, of course, also tells us that you know you are wrong.
Many American anti-vaxxers have a serious problem with the concept that there is a rest of the world. Just another aspect of their lack of education coming to the fore.
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Old 14th January 2022, 07:13 AM   #816
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Violent pot-heads?????

It takes them 3hours to decide who's going to get the nibbles, they can barely get off the sofa!
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I imagine you could get bad results from marijuana use if you work real hard at it. Like the old studies where they found out if you take a mentally troubled person, give him a megadose of LSD and leave him strapped to a table alone in a room for four hours, it exacerbates his mental troubles.
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I imagine you could get bad results from marijuana use if you work real hard at it. Like the old studies where they found out if you take a mentally troubled person, give him a megadose of LSD and leave him strapped to a table alone in a room for four hours, it exacerbates his mental troubles.

I'd have had a go at that 30years ago.
Sounds like an afternoon well spent.
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From Yale graduate and former NY Times reporter Alex Berenson:
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/...4jZzOk5aXftig4
Disinformation from a disinformationist posted by a disinformationist.
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Do you believe Tony Fauci?
Do I believe a professional epidemiologist, one of a worldwide majority consensus concerning COVID, over a disinformationist?

Why, yes.
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Violent pot-heads?????

It takes them 3hours to decide who's going to get the nibbles, they can barely get off the sofa!
Man smokes joint, watches Firefly, eats bag of M&Ms. News at 11:00.
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
From Yale graduate and former NY Times reporter Alex Berenson:
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/...4jZzOk5aXftig4
Congratulations on finding an actual former reporter! Even though he's an abject crank, this is a step forward.
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Alex Berenson:
"The pandemic's wrongest man."
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...st-man/618475/
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Berenson wrote some espionage-type thrillers, page-turners that are adequate airplane reading. I had read a few of his paperbacks, and it was going in a little bit of a red-pilled direction as I recall. I won't be reading anything else that he writes, that's for sure.
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
From Yale graduate and former NY Times reporter Alex Berenson:
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/...4jZzOk5aXftig4
Correlation doesn't prove causation. I guess Berenson didn't take a critical thinking course at Yale.

This article is just another disinfo crapstand.
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silly appeals to false authority

Maybe let's not take advice on viruses from a guy with degrees in history and economics?

I mean, would we listen to "Yale Graduate, Harvard MBA and former President" George Bush about epidemiology? Or "Yale Graduate, Harvard Law JD" Ted Cruz? Or "kick-ass guitar player" Ted Nugent? Or whatever Robert Kennedy is?
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Maybe let's not take advice on viruses from a guy with degrees in history and economics?

I mean, would we listen to "Yale Graduate, Harvard MBA and former President" George Bush about epidemiology? Or "Yale Graduate, Harvard Law JD" Ted Cruz? Or "kick-ass guitar player" Ted Nugent? Or whatever Robert Kennedy is?
You forgot that noted medical authority, Joe Rogan.
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When are you going to answer the questions, politely put to you, and of which, you have been politely reminded about? Any one of them, two, if you'd indulge us.

Please, Tom?

[me and Foster, chilling on the sofa, waiting for an answer]

'Man, I don't think he's coming.'

'Don't worry dude, he promised he wouldn't tell any more lies, he'll come!'


'He didn't come, did he?]

Come on Tom, be a sport. Answer one or two of the questions posed in the last 20 posts and be honest, not to us, but to yourself.
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When are you going to answer the questions, politely put to you, and of which, you have been politely reminded about? Any one of them, two, if you'd indulge us.

Please, Tom?

[me and Foster, chilling on the sofa, waiting for an answer]

'Man, I don't think he's coming.'

'Don't worry dude, he promised he wouldn't tell any more lies, he'll come!'


'He didn't come, did he?]

Come on Tom, be a sport. Answer one or two of the questions posed in the last 20 posts and be honest, not to us, but to yourself.
Tom has no answers of his own. If he cannot find an answer/response on one of his CT websites his only option is silence.
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From Yale graduate and former NY Times reporter Alex Berenson:
You are simply copying Ron Paul Institute propaganda here. Ron Paul claims Covid-19 is a hoax. Do you have a connection with Ron Paul?

Ron Paul : Twitter Permanently Bans Former NYT Journalist Alex Berenson
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arch...alex-berenson/

Ron Paul was also banned from social media for spreading Covid-19 misinformation.
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It's truly shocking to see Libertarians fail to grasp reality.
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It's truly shocking to see Libertarians fail to grasp reality.
Totally. I once had a CTist refuse to accept 5th grade math, showing that more people hospitalized could be vaccinated than not, while at the same time vaccinations were effective at keeping people out of the hospital. The percentage of the vaccinated who were hospitalized compared to unvaccinated can be low, but if the number of vaccinated is high enough, most people hospitalized will be vaccinated. (I hope I got that right, Im a mere music major.)

It was nothing more than addition, subtraction, and percentages, and this person could not accept the conclusions based on mere math. Stunning.
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Totally. I once had a CTist refuse to accept 5th grade math, showing that more people hospitalized could be vaccinated than not, while at the same time vaccinations were effective at keeping people out of the hospital. The percentage of the vaccinated who were hospitalized compared to unvaccinated can be low, but if the number of vaccinated is high enough, most people hospitalized will be vaccinated. (I hope I got that right, Im a mere music major.)

It was nothing more than addition, subtraction, and percentages, and this person could not accept the conclusions based on mere math. Stunning.
Math/arithmetic is logical. The minds of CTists do not work on logic. The concept is quite beyond them.
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
I am skeptical about the Huffington Post assertion that Covid-19 or one of its alleged variants killed a snow leopard.

If I were really concerned about this, I would seek the opinion of someone who has credibility with me, like Kit Knightly.
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Tom has no answers of his own. If he cannot find an answer/response on one of his CT websites his only option is silence.
It is ironic that Tom, like so many of his ilk, constantly urges us to 'think for ourselves', yet cannot voice an opinion that has not been spoon-fed to him by a conspiracy website.
The way he runs from questions and critiques is also telling. I guess the thinking is that, if you keep running and don't look back, you can fool yourself that you are winning the debate, and that your reasoning and evidence are sound.
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Old 15th January 2022, 06:52 AM   #835
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Here's a good example of how the covid CTmongers fail.

Canadian COVID-19 vaccine study seized on by anti-vaxxers highlighting dangers of early research in pandemic (cbc.ca)
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A Canadian study that vastly underestimated the protection COVID-19 vaccines provide against the Omicron variant is being revised but not before it spread widely on social media by anti-vaxxers, academics and even the creators of the Russian Sputnik V vaccine.

The Ontario preprint study, which has not yet been peer reviewed, suggested that any three doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were just 37 per cent effective against Omicron infection, while two doses actually showed negative protection.

The preprint has been shared on Twitter more than 15,000 times in the two weeks since it's been published, according to Altmetric, a company that tracks where published research is posted online. That's in the top five per cent of all research it's ever tracked.
First, it's a stupid conspiracy that contradicts itself by publishing papers that undermine its intentions in the first place, but this is what CTmongers would have us believe. They tell us that everyone is in on it, and yet any bit of data they can distort to support their nonsense must be the truth. So science is crooked as hell, they say, but wait, look at my misinterpretation of this paper that must be absolutely true.

In fact, science is a messy, awkward enterprise that's not perfect at every (or any) step. In the paper in question, the results made no sense, could not be corroborated, so they had to be reexamined, which is what the author proceeded to do. This is how science sometimes works.

It's common for nutbars to cherry pick abandoned remnants of the scientific process and pretend that they represent a viable "side" in a "science debate", but they merely prove that their nonsense is nonsensical.
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Old 15th January 2022, 08:04 AM   #836
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In April of this year The Atlantic dubbed Alex Berenson the pandemic's wrongest man (this link is an interview with Derek Thompson, the author of the article at The Atlantic). To be the wrongest man is an impressive accomplishment considering the competition.
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Old 15th January 2022, 08:36 AM   #837
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Has anyone found out what was wrong with the DARPA covid thing by veritas yet?
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Old 15th January 2022, 08:38 AM   #838
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Has anyone found out what was wrong with the DARPA covid thing by veritas yet?
Perhaps you could be more specific. What "thing"?
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Originally Posted by Steve View Post
Perhaps you could be more specific. What "thing"?
https://www.projectveritas.com/news/...stimony-under/

The veritas link doesn't do justice to the alleged USMC major's report which alleges a lot of stuff in the report.
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Old 15th January 2022, 09:06 AM   #840
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
https://www.projectveritas.com/news/...stimony-under/

The veritas link doesn't do justice to the alleged USMC major's report which alleges a lot of stuff in the report.
Ah, you mean this group (from Wiki):

"The group produces deceptively edited videos[15] of its undercover operations,[7] which use secret recordings[7] in an effort to discredit mainstream media organizations and progressive groups.[21][22] Project Veritas also uses entrapment[14] to generate bad publicity for its targets,[4] and has propagated disinformation[3] and conspiracy theories[30] in its videos and operations."


I think the answer to your question is *everything*.
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