The Jan. 6 Investigation

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Stacyhs said:
(Sept, 2016 Debate)


(Sept. 2016 rally)

The irony just burns.
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Donald Trump and his cronies only exist in the now. The past never happened and the future is yet to come. Anything said six years ago may just as well have been said a million years ago.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
We should remember how incompetent Dump is and how preoccupied he is with his election loss. The reason (I imagine) he had for taking all that stuff to Mar-a-lago is he didn't have time to deal with it before moving out. That was mentioned in news accounts. He most likely believed his obstruction of certifying Biden would be successful and he didn't start packing.

So he rushed out at the last minute, probably shoved a bunch of stuff into boxes, or the papers were already in boxes, and he took them with him believing he could go through them or just destroy them later. But being the lazy ass he is, he never got around to it.

What I wonder is did the National Archives people have a warrant? I suppose they knew the boxes were there because people around Dump spilled the beans. I wonder if they just walked in and got them. If so, was Dump there? Did he have a cow over them being removed? We haven't heard much about his reaction to the boxes being taken.
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Trump is the Ultimate Idiot Insurrectionist, years of hiring fixers and getting away with Legal trickery made Trump think he was super smart and didn't have to Obey the Law, and that is the exact reason Trumpsters Cult Follows him, they have bought into his Myth of him being above and Beyond the laws.
I wouldn't doubt that Trump had a Hand in the attacks on my person the cutting of my break lines in Evansville Indiana, that I told my local Sheriff about, the Attemped Stabbing in Louisville Kentucky, I told Mitch McConnell's office about. All to protect Jerome Corsi, and as a favor to Fox News Sean Hannity. If I could prove it I would Sue Fox Fraud News for everything Dominion voting system doesn’t take.
This is Obviously not the First time these people have engaged in Criminal activity, and If the DOJ doesn’t act it will not be the last!
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
Trump is the Ultimate Idiot Insurrectionist, years of hiring fixers and getting away with Legal trickery made Trump think he was super smart and didn't have to Obey the Law, and that is the exact reason Trumpsters Cult Follows him, they have bought into his Myth of him being above and Beyond the laws.
I wouldn't doubt that Trump had a Hand in the attacks on my person the cutting of my break lines in Evansville Indiana, that I told my local Sheriff about, the Attemped Stabbing in Louisville Kentucky, I told Mitch McConnell's office about. All to protect Jerome Corsi, and as a favor to Fox News Sean Hannity. If I could prove it I would Sue Fox Fraud News for everything Dominion voting system doesn’t take.
This is Obviously not the First time these people have engaged in Criminal activity, and If the DOJ doesn’t act it will not be the last!
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So far, it's working for him.
 
The Don said:
Donald Trump and his cronies only exist in the now. The past never happened and the future is yet to come. Anything said six years ago may just as well have been said a million years ago.
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True, since hypocrisy is not considered a fault by the Repubs. Hell, it's a virtue to them.
 
Stacyhs said:
True, since hypocrisy is not considered a fault by the Repubs. Hell, it's a virtue to them.
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This takes me back to somrthing TragicMonkey said early last year.....

TragicMonkey said:
I don't understand how, in 2021, anyone can still imagine hypocrisy to be a negative thing for Republicans. They don't care. For them it's just about their side versus the other side. Right, wrong, justice, ideals, morals, ethics, decency...none of those mean anything at all. The only thing that matters is fighting the enemy at all times on everything. If a Democrat tries to save a child from drowning a good Republican will shoot that Democrat and the child, poison the river, then spread rumors the child's family were communist spies, and probably in a sexual relationship. And questioning that narrative is disloyalty and will get you death threats.
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Well its now 2022, and this is true now just as it was then.
 
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I saw President Biden in front of a fireplace with a roaring fire in it recently. If Trump flushed documents in a building with working fireplaces, that alone should tell everyone he's just not smart enough to be president.
 
Craig4 said:
I saw President Biden in front of a fireplace with a roaring fire in it recently. If Trump flushed documents in a building with working fireplaces, that alone should tell everyone he's just not smart enough to be president.
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Well, not many people know this, but you can't light a fire by just pulling a handle. Who knew?
 
bruto said:
Well, not many people know this, but you can't light a fire by just pulling a handle. Who knew?
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Depends on the type of fire ;)

A solid fuel fire - no

A gas fire - yes

And IMO Donald Trump is dumb enough to try and put combustible materials on an indoor gas fire
 
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Maybe he thought he could just say, "You're fired!"

... ok, I'm leaving now. :boxedin:
 
Trump lost a big one today:
Judge says Trump could be culpable for January 6 and says lawsuits against the former President can proceed

Civil lawsuits seeking to hold Donald Trump accountable for the January 6, 2021, insurrection can move forward in court, a federal judge said Friday in a ruling outlining how the former President could conceivably be responsible for inciting the attack on the US Capitol.

Trump's statements to his supporters before the riot "is the essence of civil conspiracy," Judge Amit Mehta wrote in a 112-page opinion, because Trump spoke about himself and rallygoers working "towards a common goal" of fighting and walking down Pennsylvania Avenue.
"The President's January 6 Rally Speech can reasonably be viewed as a call for collective action," Mehta said.

Democratic members of the House and police officers who defended the US Capitol on January 6 sued Trump last year, claiming he prompted his supporters to attack. Friday, Mehta wrote that the three lawsuits could move to the evidence-gathering phase and toward a trial -- a major loss in court for Trump.
"To deny a President immunity from civil damages is no small step. The court well understands the gravity of its decision. But the alleged facts of this case are without precedent," Mehta wrote.

"After all, the President's actions here do not relate to his duties of faithfully executing the laws, conducting foreign affairs, commanding the armed forces, or managing the Executive Branch," Mehta added. "They entirely concern his efforts to remain in office for a second term. These are unofficial acts, so the separation-of-powers concerns that justify the President's broad immunity are not present here."
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While he homed in on Trump's legal liability, the judge ruled in favor of three close allies to Trump who also spoke at the rally on January 6 -- his attorney Rudy Giuliani, his son Donald Trump Jr. and Republican Rep. Mo Brooks, saying he would dismiss the claims against them.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/18/politics/trump-giuliani-swalwell-january-6-lawsuit/index.html
 
Stacyhs said:
Trump lost a big one today:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/18/politics/trump-giuliani-swalwell-january-6-lawsuit/index.html
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This is huge. I could see any number of people who could now go after him

Members of the Capitol Police and their families
Members of the DC Metro Police and their families
Journalists who were attacked
Congressional staffers
Even the people who have been arrested and now face charges

Trump could literally face the rest of his life in multiple simultaneous litigation.

To quote a well known fast food slogan...
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"I'm lovin' it!"​
 
RecoveringYuppy said:
Some of these people are already going after him. That's what this ruling is for. The judge is ruling on lawsuits already filed.
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I mean, there could be people other than those already filed. So far, only Rep. Eric Swalwell, Rep Bennie Thompson (Jan. 6 Committee Chairman), and Capitol Police officers have filed. Nothing yet from DC Metro or any of the journalists who were attacked.

A number of the Capitol rioters have claimed in their defences that they were "following their President's instructions". I don't think any of them have filed a lawsuit yet, but this decision opens the door for them because they certainly have standing to do so.
 
The Supreme Court has declined to take up Trump's fight to keep documents from the J6 Committee. This means Trump has no further recourse to keep documents from them. Looks like his stacking the SC with right wingers isn't going exactly the way he expected. I mean, where is their loyalty to him? :rolleyes:
 
Stacyhs said:
The Supreme Court has declined to take up Trump's fight to keep documents from the J6 Committee. This means Trump has no further recourse to keep documents from them. Looks like his stacking the SC with right wingers isn't going exactly the way he expected. I mean, where is their loyalty to him? :rolleyes:
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Yup.. its going to be tough blaming "Obama Judges" for this.
 
I know it's way too much to hope that one of those new judges will turn out to be another Earl Warren, but maybe a little of that is seeping in.

For those too young to remember, Earl Warren was a lifelong Republican, a former governor of California, a running mate of Dewey against Truman, a failed nomination rival of Eisenhower. When Eisenhower became president, he appointed Warren to the Supreme Court (hoping some say, to get him out of the way), and, like a modern-day Becket, it seems, he found a gravitas he hadn't displayed much of before, becoming the bane of the conservatives who had put him there.

So far it seems the court is more dedicated to undoing his legacy, but one can vainly hope that there's still a little bit of a ghost of Warren rattling around the chambers.
 
bruto said:
I know it's way too much to hope that one of those new judges will turn out to be another Earl Warren, but maybe a little of that is seeping in.

For those too young to remember, Earl Warren was a lifelong Republican, a former governor of California, a running mate of Dewey against Truman, a failed nomination rival of Eisenhower. When Eisenhower became president, he appointed Warren to the Supreme Court (hoping some say, to get him out of the way), and, like a modern-day Becket, it seems, he found a gravitas he hadn't displayed much of before, becoming the bane of the conservatives who had put him there.

So far it seems the court is more dedicated to undoing his legacy, but one can vainly hope that there's still a little bit of a ghost of Warren rattling around the chambers.
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The Republicans of Warren's time are not on the same planet as today's GOP. Today we have Thomas, Gorsuch, Kavenaugh, etc.
 
bruto said:
I know it's way too much to hope that one of those new judges will turn out to be another Earl Warren, but maybe a little of that is seeping in.

For those too young to remember, Earl Warren was a lifelong Republican, a former governor of California, a running mate of Dewey against Truman, a failed nomination rival of Eisenhower. When Eisenhower became president, he appointed Warren to the Supreme Court (hoping some say, to get him out of the way), and, like a modern-day Becket, it seems, he found a gravitas he hadn't displayed much of before, becoming the bane of the conservatives who had put him there.

So far it seems the court is more dedicated to undoing his legacy, but one can vainly hope that there's still a little bit of a ghost of Warren rattling around the chambers.
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This would be the Warren Commission guy of course.
 
Stacyhs said:
The Supreme Court has declined to take up Trump's fight to keep documents from the J6 Committee. This means Trump has no further recourse to keep documents from them. Looks like his stacking the SC with right wingers isn't going exactly the way he expected. I mean, where is their loyalty to him? :rolleyes:
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Already demonstrated plenty well in the clear bias shown towards the Trump Administration compared to the Biden Administration. That they're not being utterly sycophantic towards Trump likely has much more to do with the fact that they have little to fear from him and they know it, on top of trying to leave a fig leaf for Republican propagandists to work with in their fight to prevent Democrats from actually doing anything to fix the SC or counter the Federalist Society's long-term efforts to politicize and subvert the SC.
 
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Jan. 6 committee subpoenas six more Trump lawyers involved in effort to stop certification of Biden’s election win: Cleta Mitchell, Christina Bobb, Kurt Olsen, Katherine Freiss, Phillip Kline, Kenneth Chesebro
 
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