Governator Makes A$$ of Himself Again

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So, he crashes his motorcycle and cuts up his lip, big deal. Except he never bothered to get a license to ride it.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/01/11/MNGV0GLJ2L1.DTL


Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger loves to talk about roaring down the Pacific Coast Highway on his Harley-Davidson, the wind in his hair. But he acknowledged Tuesday one small problem in that free-as-a-bird scenario: He "never thought about" getting a license to pilot his hog, which police say he's been driving illegally -- apparently for years.


"I just never really applied for it," he told reporters during a press conference to unveil his 2006-07 state budget. "It was just one of those things that I never really did."
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Oh and speaking of his 2006-07 state budget, Schwarznegger gave up balancing it.
[sez Gov Arnold] "When I ran [for governor] I thought it would be easier to balance the budget..."

The fine print of the voluminous budget reveals just how much spending, and deficits, have increased under Schwarzenegger. The $97.9 billion in general fund spending that he proposes for 2006-07 would be $18.1 billion or 22.7 percent more than his first budget spent two years ago, historic data show, while revenues would have increased by just $9 billion.
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I say amend article two of the Constitution so we can elect Arnold for President!
 
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shecky said:
I say amend [/SIZE]article two of the Constitution so we can elect elect Arnold for President!
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Oh, good, then the whole country can live in an imaginary movie world the way California currently is! :)
 
manny said:
How the hell did he get motorcycle insurance without a license?
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That's a damn good question.

Personally, I find it amusing that the Governator as all about the "rule of law" when it comes to making sure two guys can't get married, but when it comes to traffic laws, he doesn't seem to care until he gets caught.
 
Cleon said:
That's a damn good question.

Personally, I find it amusing that the Governator as all about the "rule of law" when it comes to making sure two guys can't get married, but when it comes to traffic laws, he doesn't seem to care until he gets caught.
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Maybe he gets his legal advice from GWB's attorneys? ;)
 
Grammatron said:
Who said he had motorcycle insurance?
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I suppose it's possible he was riding uninsured--which would be a whole new bucket o' worms. AFAIK, in every state you're required to have insurance to get a tag and keep your bike on the road. (Just like a car, IOW.) Is that not the case in Cali?
 
You can lodge a bond for a certain (fairly large) amount of money with the DMV in lieu of insurance in California. (Vehicle code 16434)
 
Cleon said:
I suppose it's possible he was riding uninsured--which would be a whole new bucket o' worms. AFAIK, in every state you're required to have insurance to get a tag and keep your bike on the road. (Just like a car, IOW.) Is that not the case in Cali?
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Technically you can ride with an instruction permit and no license so long as you do not drive at night, on the freeway, or with a passanger(woops). However, I believe some form of insurance is required.

He might have some clause in his car or general insurance though.
 
The motorcycle he was driving had a side car, under Cali law, his class C driver's licence is legal to operate it.

Why a motorcycle with a sidecar is treated different then one without, I don't know.

From http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/10/D8F2650OB.html

"Schwarzenegger spokeswoman Margita Thompson, acting on initial information Sunday, said the governor's Class C driver's license allowed him to ride the motorcycle with its sidecar attached. His 12- year-old son, Patrick, who was riding in a sidecar, was unhurt.
But Thompson conceded the governor probably took years of illegal motorcycle rides because he lacked an endorsement on his license that would permit him to drive a motorcycle without a sidecar."

Hey may have broke the law in the past, but this time he was legal.
 
Grammatron said:
Technically you can ride with an instruction permit and no license so long as you do not drive at night, on the freeway, or with a passanger(woops). However, I believe some form of insurance is required.

He might have some clause in his car or general insurance though.
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Actually, an instruction permit requires a licensed passenger. After that you can get a license with the restrictions you listed.
 
Grammatron said:
Technically you can ride with an instruction permit and no license so long as you do not drive at night, on the freeway, or with a passanger(woops). However, I believe some form of insurance is required.

He might have some clause in his car or general insurance though.
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Well, the issue of the license and insurance are not necessarily the same. To keep a bike on the road, you need insurance (or, as Terry posted, self-insurance). The learner's permit you describe is the same as it is in Georgia--you can still buy a bike, riding on the permit, but you still need insurance for the bike.

Car insurance wouldn't help. They're different insurance systems--there wouldn't be a clause in his car insurance for motorcycles any more than there'd be a clause for boats or aircraft. If you want boat/motorcycle/aircraft/car insurance, you have to get boat/motorcycle/aircraft/car insurance.
 
Mark said:
Actually, an instruction permit requires a licensed passenger. After that you can get a license with the restrictions you listed.
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Not for a motorcycle instruction permit, only for a car is it required you have a licensed passanger.
 
Mark said:
Actually, an instruction permit requires a licensed passenger. After that you can get a license with the restrictions you listed.
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In what state? In Georgia, a motorcycle learner's permit is as Grammatron described--you're not allowed on controlled access highways, no passengers, no sidecars.

With an automobile learner's permit, yeah, you have to have a licensed adult in the passenger seat.
 
"If you have a valid driver's license, and you're caught driving a motorcycle (without the proper endorsement), it's up to the responding officer's discretion'' to cite a driver, Harding said.
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Who's gonna give the Terminator a ticket? If a whole state could be starstruck enough to elect this clown governor, it's easy to believe a cop would be starstruck enough to let him pass on this.



"He wasn't cited. Nothing's going to happen,'' Harding said. "The infraction is not even a misdemeanor.''
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Apparently, it's really not such a big deal anyway. Makes me wonder how much of a red herring was the issue of illegal immigrants getting driver's licenses.

The lack of a proper license means the governor, who recently signed a bill toughening driving laws for teenagers, apparently has been an illegal rider for years. The former movie star, who was involved in a motorcycle accident in Santa Monica in 2001, has reveled in his image as a macho Harley rider since his trademark role in the movie "Terminator" and makes no secret about enjoying weekly rides with motorcycle-loving friends like actor Tom Arnold.
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So it's not the first time he's been involved in a motorcycle accident. No word if he was cited in the earlier incident. Presumably, any officer on the scene let him pass back then, too.
 
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azazal said:
The motorcycle he was driving had a side car, under Cali law, his class C driver's licence is legal to operate it.

Why a motorcycle with a sidecar is treated different then one without, I don't know.

From http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/10/D8F2650OB.html

"Schwarzenegger spokeswoman Margita Thompson, acting on initial information Sunday, said the governor's Class C driver's license allowed him to ride the motorcycle with its sidecar attached. His 12- year-old son, Patrick, who was riding in a sidecar, was unhurt.
But Thompson conceded the governor probably took years of illegal motorcycle rides because he lacked an endorsement on his license that would permit him to drive a motorcycle without a sidecar."

Hey may have broke the law in the past, but this time he was legal.
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The police apparently don't agree with the spokeswoman's analysis.

As a biker who's fairly familiar with these laws in the Southeast, I'd be pretty surprised if she turned out to be correct. A motorcycle requires a motorcycle endorsement, sidecar or no.
 
Grammatron said:
Not for a motorcycle instruction permit, only for a car is it required you have a licensed passanger.
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Have the laws changed? When the world was young, you couldn't get a motocycle instruction permit by itself. I readily concede that they may have changed since I first got mine.
 
Mark said:
Have the laws changed? When the world was young, you couldn't get a motocycle instruction permit by itself. I readily concede that they may have changed since I first got mine.
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Perhaps, but this law is at least a decade old.

Then again, I have not been alive for as long as you ;)
 
Mark said:
Have the laws changed? When the world was young, you couldn't get a motocycle instruction permit by itself. I readily concede that they may have changed since I first got mine.
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In Georgia, you most certainly can.
 
Oh and speaking of his 2006-07 state budget, Schwarznegger gave up balancing it.

[sez Gov Arnold] "When I ran [for governor] I thought it would be easier to balance the budget..."

The fine print of the voluminous budget reveals just how much spending, and deficits, have increased under Schwarzenegger. The $97.9 billion in general fund spending that he proposes for 2006-07 would be $18.1 billion or 22.7 percent more than his first budget spent two years ago, historic data show, while revenues would have increased by just $9 billion.
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Awesome! Just like Bush before him, and Clinton before Bush. (Don't delude yourself Clinton balanced the budget. In the mid '90's he threw up his hands and said, "I give up, deficits as far as the eye can see", then got extremely lucky with the Internet boom. The boom was so big Congress couldn't keep up with spending it.)

And why does this happen? Because you people want lavish spending. This is George Will's big gripe -- people whine about a paltry few billion dollars in political spending each year, while ignoring that the elected officials in the federal government, which is to say Congress, spend $2.6 trillion to get re-elected, every year, and growing.[/b]

Evolution. All that money is spent to get re-elected. Those who are not re-elected are like those who didn't reproduce. Someone did whatever it took, better, and the vast lion's share is this obesity of spending.

So, Californians, look to thy own eye. A small cut gains a sob story trumpeted by a power hungry politician who will be willing to spend the money. And you, the voters, buy it.
 
Oh! I read the title and thought he was making Last Action Hero 2.

I do have a serious question though. Wouldn't he have to have a license to legally register his motorcycle? Or do you not have to have a Motorcycle license to register it?
 
In Mass. you can ride with a permit but you cant have passangers.

Why wasnt Arny cited for being a scofflaw??? After all he got his unlicensed ass into an accident.
 
bob_kark said:
Oh! I read the title and thought he was making Last Action Hero 2.

I do have a serious question though. Wouldn't he have to have a license to legally register his motorcycle? Or do you not have to have a Motorcycle license to register it?
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Maybe he had a permit when he registered, and then it expired.???
 
Maybe he is in serious poop, and his myriad lawyers are scurrying about under the leaves trying to minimise the harm...

And I second Beerina's comments about the amount of money spent in re-election attempts, etc. While that is not limited to the USA, such amounts of money mentioned in that cause do seem a trifle large, compared to the GDP of many other countries...
 
I think Beerina was saying that all the pork gets politicians elected and re-elected, rather than all the money actually spent on campaigns.

Hard to argue that point. Some of the reddest states (presumably states that are for small governemtn) take in more federal money than they contribute. Nobody but the wackiest of libertarians truly wants small government. Instead, everyone wants to cut someone else's pork, and expand, or and at the very least, preserve their pet projects.
 
Look, the man isn't smart enough to use scenes of him whupping ass in movies, like Conan the Destroyer, to promote his policies of screwing over whomever he can. To think that he needs a liscense to drive his motorcycle? You ask far too much of our Governator.

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I never thought I'd see the day where I'd start to miss Acting Gov. Jane Swift.
 
Then again, perhaps he was riding motorcycles prior to California requiring a special endorsement and simply never was aware of the change? (I doubt that) I rode for years in South florida in my younger days....(getting around on Ft. Lauderdale beach during spring break back in the early 80's was hardly possible without a motorcycle)....and there was no requirement for a special license back then. Just last year I bought a Yamaha V-star 1100 and had to go through many hoops to get my M-class certification. But there are loopholes. I met many riders who simply keep renewing their learner permits rather than take the final test. Also insurance and registration is a seperate issue from the license. You can get ins and register while holding only a learners here in Virginia.

-z
 
I figure a sidecar has no bearing in this. You must have an M1 to operate any motorcycle in Cali.

But...
A standard license for driving a car cannot be used to operate a motorcycle, but according to DMV spokesman Mike Miller the relevant sections of state law make no mention of a motorcycle with a sidecar.
Miller said that means Schwarzenegger was operating within the law when he crashed.

"From our perspective, there is no violation," Miller said.
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Hmmmm.........

"Make no mention..." If you register a vehicle as a motorcycle, then attach something to it (a sidecar) is that vehicle not still registered as a freakin motorcycle? So was he riding illegally or not??!!

No worries, the judge dropped the charges:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/01/12/arnold.bike.ap/index.html

Even though police concluded he was unlicensed, the department "cannot go back and cite the governor because we did not witness the driving."
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Hmmmm........This is stupid! A Harley Davidson is NOT a car!!! It is a MOTORCYCLE!!! HELLO???!!!
 
schplurg said:
No worries, the judge dropped the charges:
Even though police concluded he was unlicensed, the department "cannot go back and cite the governor because we did not witness the driving."
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Hmmmm........This is stupid! A Harley Davidson is NOT a car!!! It is a MOTORCYCLE!!! HELLO???!!!
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As Mel Brooks once said, its good to be the king!
 
Beerina said:
Awesome! Just like Bush before him, and Clinton before Bush. (Don't delude yourself Clinton balanced the budget. In the mid '90's he threw up his hands and said, "I give up, deficits as far as the eye can see", then got extremely lucky with the Internet boom. The boom was so big Congress couldn't keep up with spending it.)
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Even that's debatable. The deficit went up every year of the Clinton presidency, but in the fiscal year encompassing '99-'00, the increase in the deficit did not outpace inflation, so the inflation-adjusted debt went down.

Congress could keep up with the boom, just not the boom plus inflation.

Here's the debt-by-year, where you can see that increased every year:

http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdhisto4.htm
 
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