Space junk? - Page 2

theprestige · 6th May 2022, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

What accounts for the "smoke" reported? Dust from roof?

As with all poorly-documented UFO and paranormal claims, literally anything could account for the phenomena alleged by the claimants. My view is it's fine to speculate all you want, but that's all it is - speculation. There's no point in trying to come up with "the" explanation, or even "an" explanation for these things.

Was there really any "smoke"? Who knows. Could it have been dust from the roof? Sure. Could it have been a figment of the reporter's imagination? Sure. Could it have been steam from a nearby kettle? Sure. Could it have been residual unicorn farts adhering to the object as it transitioned from unicorn-space into our reality? Okay, probably not that one.

Like UFO proponents who demand that you account for the "fact" that the UFO moved several kilometers in under a second. Is that really what happened? Not even the UFO proponent really knows. So why bother trying to account for it?

catsmate · 7th May 2022, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

I am almost 100% certain that this is NOT man made space junk. Its appearance doesn't match any of the descriptors that I know of.

If it is a meteorite, it is an exceedingly rare one.

So we should be really worried then?

Jack by the hedge · 7th May 2022, 03:02 AM

Did they actually check if there was a guy on the roof with a musket? I mean no, I don't think it's likely, but did they at least check?

smartcooky · 7th May 2022, 04:05 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

So we should be really worried then?

Well IMO, you're on the right track. I think the idea that this might be some sort of man-made space junk is pure science-fiction!

arthwollipot · 10th May 2022, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Doesn't look melted to me. Just badly scraped. I'm liking the tire-balancing metal weight came loose from a passing car hypothesis.

And got flung up into the sky with such force that it returned with enough force to smash through the ceiling and chip the tiled floor?

catsmate · 11th May 2022, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Well IMO, you're on the right track. I think the idea that this might be some sort of man-made space junk is pure science-fiction!

So keep an eye out for people acting oddly, sudden behaviour changes and giant vegetables.

theprestige · 11th May 2022, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

And got flung up into the sky with such force that it returned with enough force to smash through the ceiling and chip the tiled floor?

Sure. You're falling into the UFOvian trap of coming up with too much Just So Story on too little evidence. The trajectory could have been much more oblique. The tile could have already been chipped. Etc. I don't have a to explain reentry speed and trajectory until we know that's what happened. Which we're can't possibly know, and therefore should not claim.

smartcooky · 11th May 2022, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by catsmate

So keep an eye out for people acting oddly, sudden behaviour changes and giant ~~vegetables.~~ seed pods.

FTFY. Get it right!

catsmate · 12th May 2022, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

FTFY. Get it right!

Wasn't that the Man-Eater of Surrey Green?

smartcooky · 12th May 2022, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by catsmate

Wasn't that the Man-Eater of Surrey Green?

Nope! Invasion of the Body Snatchers... invading aliens replaced humans by growing them in giant seed-pods... the resulting replacements acted strangely and had behavior changes and a complete lack of emotions.

Man-Eater of Surrey Green was a telepathic alien plant!

welshdean · 12th May 2022, 11:33 PM

I'm going for...
An alien, robot trilobite!

catsmate · 13th May 2022, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Nope! Invasion of the Body Snatchers... invading aliens replaced humans by growing them in giant seed-pods... the resulting replacements acted strangely and had behavior changes and a complete lack of emotions.

Man-Eater of Surrey Green was a telepathic alien plant!

Ah yes, the inspiration for the Krynoid. With the terrible plastic "snow"....

MBDK · 14th May 2022, 01:23 AM

I may as well confess. The "projectile" is my adamantium-fabricated condom. Unfortunately, it was improperly secured at the moment of greatest need, and although it did reach the technical threshold of space (the von Kármán line @ 100km), it never entered a low-Earth orbit, so its designation as "space debris" is debatable.

Jack by the hedge · 14th May 2022, 02:46 AM

So you're blaming a failed panspermia project. Novel.

MBDK · 14th May 2022, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

So you're blaming a failed panspermia project. Novel.

LOL

Thanks for making me do a dictionary search, also.

Trebuchet · 14th May 2022, 10:16 AM

This page shows a Starlink satellite reentry on 4 May which might account for debris in Australia. Pure speculation on my part, of course.

RecoveringYuppy · 14th May 2022, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

So you're blaming a failed panspermia project. Novel.

Has panspermia ever been the name of a porn flick?

smartcooky · 14th May 2022, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

This page shows a Starlink satellite reentry on 4 May which might account for debris in Australia. Pure speculation on my part, of course.

Unlikely

If the re-entry went as predicted, it re-entered over Eastern Europe. There is no way any pieces could survive long enough to reach Australia, and even if they did, the track looks to take it about 100 km NE of Queensland.

arthwollipot · 28th July 2022, 11:02 PM

This one probably is. And it's good that it fell into a paddock and not on someone's house because it's a LOT bigger.

Space junk potentially found in NSW Snowy Mountains paddocks

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A large piece of debris found in the middle of a sheep paddock could be space junk from a SpaceX mission, and linked to a large bang heard across the region earlier this month.

Many of those who heard the bang on July 9 took to social media to report it across the Snowy Mountains in southern NSW, and as far away as Albury, Wagga Wagga and Canberra.

Speculation was rife that it may have been caused by the SpaceX Dragon spacecraft re-entering earth's atmosphere after it launched in November 2020.

Mick Miners, who runs a sheep farm at Numbla Vale, south of Jindabyne, stumbled across an almost three metre high object wedged into a remote part of his paddock on Monday.

"I didn't know what to think, I had no idea what it was," he said.

After the discovery, he called neighbouring farmer Jock Wallace, who also found some mysterious debris nearby.

"I didn't hear the bang, but my daughters said it was very loud," Mr Wallace said.

"I think it's a concern it's just fallen out of the sky.

"If it landed on your house it would make a hell of a mess.

After contacting the Civil Aviation Safety Authority, Mr Wallace said he was told to contact the National Aeronautics and Space Administration in the United States.

"I'm a farmer from Dalgety, what am I going to say to NASA?" Mr Wallace said."

smartcooky · 29th July 2022, 12:18 AM

Those raggedy edges look like severely damaged carbon fibre to me.

If it is from a SpaceX manned mission, then the only things it could be part of are the second stage or the Dragon trunk or - a piece that size coming off a re-entering Dragon Capsule itself would be unsurvivable, and the whole booster comes back to soft land.

I doubt it would be part of a second stage because those are intentionally deorbited to crash into the "spaceship grave" inside the South Pacific Ocean Uninhabited Area, a region in the southern Pacific Ocean to the east of New Zealand near "Point Nemo", the oceanic pole of inaccessibility.

Could be a piece of the trunk though, as they are detached from the Dragon capsule just after it undocks from the ISS. Much harder to control where they come down, but they are designed to completely burn up on reentry.

Another thing it could be is part of one of those Starlink satellites that got hit by a solar storm a couple of months back. They were destined for uncontrolled re-entry.

Statistically, its more likely to be a piece of a Chinese booster as they really don't give a **** who their space junk lands in, as recent events show. They make zero effort to safely deorbit their boosters.

arthwollipot · 29th July 2022, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Australian National University College of Science astrophysicist Brad Tucker said the debris was most likely from the unpressurised crew trunk of the craft.

ibid.

MBDK · 29th July 2022, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

This one probably is. And it's good that it fell into a paddock and not on someone's house because it's a LOT bigger.

Space junk potentially found in NSW Snowy Mountains paddocks

From your source:

"There could even be issues with it damaging the ozone layer, so we need to do more research in this area."

Just want to note that I find that statement odd (and not here to claim you support it), as I don't see how falling space junk could have any notable effect, but I am sure if it can, someone can correct my ignorance on the matter.

novaphile · 29th July 2022, 04:19 PM

It would be interesting to speculate how it managed to arrive in such good condition.

NASA advised that it would be constructed out of carbon fibre and aluminium.

From my own experience with working with aluminium, it is very easy to overheat, and very easy to set on fire.

This piece of space junk is quite large and quite intact (except for all the frayed carbon fibre in the photographs).

So I'm wondering if the carbon fibre could have acted as ablative armour for the aluminium...

theprestige · 29th July 2022, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by MBDK

From your source:

"There could even be issues with it damaging the ozone layer, so we need to do more research in this area."

Just want to note that I find that statement odd (and not here to claim you support it), as I don't see how falling space junk could have any notable effect, but I am sure if it can, someone can correct my ignorance on the matter.

I swing the other way. That statement suggests to me that the entire article is sensationalist jackassery, and the object in question was planted by the homeowner to get attention.

smartcooky · 29th July 2022, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by novaphile

It would be interesting to speculate how it managed to arrive in such good condition.

NASA advised that it would be constructed out of carbon fibre and aluminium.

From my own experience with working with aluminium, it is very easy to overheat, and very easy to set on fire.

This piece of space junk is quite large and quite intact (except for all the frayed carbon fibre in the photographs).

So I'm wondering if the carbon fibre could have acted as ablative armour for the aluminium...

Well, there have been COPV's land intact before, but they are more aerodynamic... well, at least round and smooth, not unlike the fairings that come through reentry in good enough condition to be re-used multiple times. I struggle to see how an odd-shaped piece like that would not be just torn apart by the heat and forces involved.

Garrison · 31st July 2022, 05:25 AM

Well when it comes to dumping space junk back on Earth the Chinese are the world leaders:

Long March 5B: Debris from Chinese rocket falls back to Earth

This has been a repeated issue with this class of rocket, and on top of this are the expended boosters still containing toxic fuels that fall back on Chinese territory.

arthwollipot · 31st July 2022, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

I swing the other way. That statement suggests to me that the entire article is sensationalist jackassery, and the object in question was planted by the homeowner to get attention.

He's a farmer from Dalgety!

Anyway, this thing's re-entry was heard over 300km away. There's no doubt it came from space.

smartcooky · 31st July 2022, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

I swing the other way. That statement suggests to me that the entire article is sensationalist jackassery, and the object in question was planted by the homeowner to get attention.

Nope. That is definitely space junk that has survived re-entry, and it is almost certainly a part of the Crew Dragon trunk

This thing is one of the mount points of one of the four fins, and you can see that part of the fin is still attached to the right side of the piece of space junk.

I have absolutely zero doubt this is part of the Crew Dragon trunk.

arthwollipot · 31st July 2022, 10:35 PM

More Snowy Mountains space junk found amid visit from Australian Space Agency

Quote:

A third piece of space junk has been found in the NSW Snowy Mountains, believed to be linked to a SpaceX craft.

Two other pieces of debris were recently found by farmers at neighbouring properties in Numbla Vale, after a loud bang was heard in the region on July 9.

The sonic boom was believed to be caused by the SpaceX Dragon spacecraft, which was launched in November 2020, re-entering Earth's atmosphere.

One piece of the junk was embedded deep in the ground and was estimated to be about three metres long.

The third piece of debris was discovered and photographed by a Moonbah resident on July 14.

It was not until the ABC's coverage of the space junk in late July that the owner came forward.

dudalb · 1st August 2022, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Here's a curious little story of a close call:

Unidentifed metal object falls through Gympie family's roof, narrowly missing baby bouncer

There are plenty of pictures. Looks to me like something that could have been melted and resolidified at some point. It smashed straight through the roof and broke tiles as it hit, so it was moving at quite a clip.

Commence speculation!

It's a piece of Babylon FIve which went through a time warp.

theprestige · 1st August 2022, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

He's a farmer from Dalgety!

Anyway, this thing's re-entry was heard over 300km away. There's no doubt it came from space.

Somebody over 300km away heard something, and there's definitive evidence that this is what they heard? To me it's no different from claims of alien teleportation drives based on two dodgy radar returns separated by hundreds of miles but only a few seconds. Maybe the two returns are just two unrelated things.

theprestige · 1st August 2022, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Nope. That is definitely space junk that has survived re-entry, and it is almost certainly a part of the Crew Dragon trunk

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wg20bx34qy...unk1.jpg?raw=1

This thing is one of the mount points of one of the four fins, and you can see that part of the fin is still attached to the right side of the piece of space junk.

I have absolutely zero doubt this is part of the Crew Dragon trunk.

Well okay, it's real. I don't dispute that. But that bit about "damaging the ozone layer" still makes the story sound profoundly unserious.

arthwollipot · 1st August 2022, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Well okay, it's real. I don't dispute that. But that bit about "damaging the ozone layer" still makes the story sound profoundly unserious.

I think that's a case of a non-science specialist journalist writing the copy. That sort of thing happens all the time in science reporting, unfortunately. I wouldn't read too much into it.

arthwollipot · 2nd August 2022, 08:09 PM

SpaceX rocket debris lands in sheep paddock, Australian Space Agency confirms

Quote:

The Australian Space Agency has confirmed debris found in the NSW Snowy Mountains belongs to SpaceX.

Three pieces of space junk have so far been found in the region, which are considered to be the biggest pieces found in Australia since 1979.

Two pieces were inspected by technical experts from the Australian Space Agency and NSW Police on Saturday.

Police have since confirmed they were also aware of the third piece being found in the region.

Jack by the hedge · Today, 03:17 AM

Originally Posted by cjdelphi

If it falls from space, does anyone own it? Isn't it rubbish ?

That would depend on the rules of the jurisdiction it lands in.

6th May 2022, 11:05 AM	#41
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Antimemetics Division Posts: 60,102	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy What accounts for the "smoke" reported? Dust from roof? As with all poorly-documented UFO and paranormal claims, literally anything could account for the phenomena alleged by the claimants. My view is it's fine to speculate all you want, but that's all it is - speculation. There's no point in trying to come up with "the" explanation, or even "an" explanation for these things. Was there really any "smoke"? Who knows. Could it have been dust from the roof? Sure. Could it have been a figment of the reporter's imagination? Sure. Could it have been steam from a nearby kettle? Sure. Could it have been residual unicorn farts adhering to the object as it transitioned from unicorn-space into our reality? Okay, probably not that one. Like UFO proponents who demand that you account for the "fact" that the UFO moved several kilometers in under a second. Is that really what happened? Not even the UFO proponent really knows. So why bother trying to account for it?
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7th May 2022, 02:23 AM	#42
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27,179	Originally Posted by smartcooky I am almost 100% certain that this is NOT man made space junk. Its appearance doesn't match any of the descriptors that I know of. If it is a meteorite, it is an exceedingly rare one. So we should be really worried then?
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7th May 2022, 04:05 AM	#44
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 21,770	Originally Posted by catsmate So we should be really worried then? Well IMO, you're on the right track. I think the idea that this might be some sort of man-made space junk is pure science-fiction!
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10th May 2022, 11:58 PM	#45
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 77,363	Originally Posted by theprestige Doesn't look melted to me. Just badly scraped. I'm liking the tire-balancing metal weight came loose from a passing car hypothesis. And got flung up into the sky with such force that it returned with enough force to smash through the ceiling and chip the tiled floor?
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11th May 2022, 03:44 AM	#46
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27,179	Originally Posted by smartcooky Well IMO, you're on the right track. I think the idea that this might be some sort of man-made space junk is pure science-fiction! So keep an eye out for people acting oddly, sudden behaviour changes and giant vegetables.
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7th May 2022, 03:02 AM	#43
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 13,446	Did they actually check if there was a guy on the roof with a musket? I mean no, I don't think it's likely, but did they at least check?

11th May 2022, 05:33 AM	#47
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Antimemetics Division Posts: 60,102	Originally Posted by arthwollipot And got flung up into the sky with such force that it returned with enough force to smash through the ceiling and chip the tiled floor? Sure. You're falling into the UFOvian trap of coming up with too much Just So Story on too little evidence. The trajectory could have been much more oblique. The tile could have already been chipped. Etc. I don't have a to explain reentry speed and trajectory until we know that's what happened. Which we're can't possibly know, and therefore should not claim.
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11th May 2022, 09:49 PM	#48
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 21,770	Originally Posted by catsmate So keep an eye out for people acting oddly, sudden behaviour changes and giant ~~vegetables.~~ seed pods. FTFY. Get it right!
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12th May 2022, 01:40 PM	#49
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27,179	Originally Posted by smartcooky FTFY. Get it right! Wasn't that the Man-Eater of Surrey Green?
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12th May 2022, 09:20 PM	#50
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 21,770	Originally Posted by catsmate Wasn't that the Man-Eater of Surrey Green? Nope! Invasion of the Body Snatchers... invading aliens replaced humans by growing them in giant seed-pods... the resulting replacements acted strangely and had behavior changes and a complete lack of emotions. Man-Eater of Surrey Green was a telepathic alien plant!
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12th May 2022, 11:33 PM	#51
welshdean Michael McDonald 1967 - 2021 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 4,157	I'm going for... An alien, robot trilobite!
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13th May 2022, 12:41 AM	#52
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27,179	Originally Posted by smartcooky Nope! Invasion of the Body Snatchers... invading aliens replaced humans by growing them in giant seed-pods... the resulting replacements acted strangely and had behavior changes and a complete lack of emotions. Man-Eater of Surrey Green was a telepathic alien plant! Ah yes, the inspiration for the Krynoid. With the terrible plastic "snow"....
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14th May 2022, 01:23 AM	#53
MBDK Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 337	I may as well confess. The "projectile" is my adamantium-fabricated condom. Unfortunately, it was improperly secured at the moment of greatest need, and although it did reach the technical threshold of space (the von Kármán line @ 100km), it never entered a low-Earth orbit, so its designation as "space debris" is debatable.
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14th May 2022, 02:46 AM	#54
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 13,446	So you're blaming a failed panspermia project. Novel.

14th May 2022, 03:52 AM	#55
MBDK Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 337	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge So you're blaming a failed panspermia project. Novel. LOL Thanks for making me do a dictionary search, also.
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14th May 2022, 10:16 AM	#56
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 34,378	This page shows a Starlink satellite reentry on 4 May which might account for debris in Australia. Pure speculation on my part, of course.
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14th May 2022, 11:12 AM	#57
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 13,505	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge So you're blaming a failed panspermia project. Novel. Has panspermia ever been the name of a porn flick?

14th May 2022, 04:32 PM	#58
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 21,770	Originally Posted by Trebuchet This page shows a Starlink satellite reentry on 4 May which might account for debris in Australia. Pure speculation on my part, of course. Unlikely If the re-entry went as predicted, it re-entered over Eastern Europe. There is no way any pieces could survive long enough to reach Australia, and even if they did, the track looks to take it about 100 km NE of Queensland.
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28th July 2022, 11:02 PM	#59
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 77,363	This one probably is. And it's good that it fell into a paddock and not on someone's house because it's a LOT bigger. Space junk potentially found in NSW Snowy Mountains paddocks Quote: A large piece of debris found in the middle of a sheep paddock could be space junk from a SpaceX mission, and linked to a large bang heard across the region earlier this month. Many of those who heard the bang on July 9 took to social media to report it across the Snowy Mountains in southern NSW, and as far away as Albury, Wagga Wagga and Canberra. Speculation was rife that it may have been caused by the SpaceX Dragon spacecraft re-entering earth's atmosphere after it launched in November 2020. Mick Miners, who runs a sheep farm at Numbla Vale, south of Jindabyne, stumbled across an almost three metre high object wedged into a remote part of his paddock on Monday. "I didn't know what to think, I had no idea what it was," he said. After the discovery, he called neighbouring farmer Jock Wallace, who also found some mysterious debris nearby. "I didn't hear the bang, but my daughters said it was very loud," Mr Wallace said. "I think it's a concern it's just fallen out of the sky. "If it landed on your house it would make a hell of a mess. After contacting the Civil Aviation Safety Authority, Mr Wallace said he was told to contact the National Aeronautics and Space Administration in the United States. "I'm a farmer from Dalgety, what am I going to say to NASA?" Mr Wallace said."
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29th July 2022, 12:18 AM	#60
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 21,770	Those raggedy edges look like severely damaged carbon fibre to me. If it is from a SpaceX manned mission, then the only things it could be part of are the second stage or the Dragon trunk or - a piece that size coming off a re-entering Dragon Capsule itself would be unsurvivable, and the whole booster comes back to soft land. I doubt it would be part of a second stage because those are intentionally deorbited to crash into the "spaceship grave" inside the South Pacific Ocean Uninhabited Area, a region in the southern Pacific Ocean to the east of New Zealand near "Point Nemo", the oceanic pole of inaccessibility. Could be a piece of the trunk though, as they are detached from the Dragon capsule just after it undocks from the ISS. Much harder to control where they come down, but they are designed to completely burn up on reentry. Another thing it could be is part of one of those Starlink satellites that got hit by a solar storm a couple of months back. They were destined for uncontrolled re-entry. Statistically, its more likely to be a piece of a Chinese booster as they really don't give a **** who their space junk lands in, as recent events show. They make zero effort to safely deorbit their boosters.
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29th July 2022, 12:49 AM	#61
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 77,363	Quote: Australian National University College of Science astrophysicist Brad Tucker said the debris was most likely from the unpressurised crew trunk of the craft. ibid.
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29th July 2022, 03:23 PM	#62
MBDK Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 337	Originally Posted by arthwollipot This one probably is. And it's good that it fell into a paddock and not on someone's house because it's a LOT bigger. Space junk potentially found in NSW Snowy Mountains paddocks From your source: "There could even be issues with it damaging the ozone layer, so we need to do more research in this area." Just want to note that I find that statement odd (and not here to claim you support it), as I don't see how falling space junk could have any notable effect, but I am sure if it can, someone can correct my ignorance on the matter.
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29th July 2022, 04:19 PM	#63
novaphile Quester of Doglets Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sunny South Australia Posts: 3,417	It would be interesting to speculate how it managed to arrive in such good condition. NASA advised that it would be constructed out of carbon fibre and aluminium. From my own experience with working with aluminium, it is very easy to overheat, and very easy to set on fire. This piece of space junk is quite large and quite intact (except for all the frayed carbon fibre in the photographs). So I'm wondering if the carbon fibre could have acted as ablative armour for the aluminium...
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29th July 2022, 04:21 PM	#64
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Antimemetics Division Posts: 60,102	Originally Posted by MBDK From your source: "There could even be issues with it damaging the ozone layer, so we need to do more research in this area." Just want to note that I find that statement odd (and not here to claim you support it), as I don't see how falling space junk could have any notable effect, but I am sure if it can, someone can correct my ignorance on the matter. I swing the other way. That statement suggests to me that the entire article is sensationalist jackassery, and the object in question was planted by the homeowner to get attention.
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29th July 2022, 06:28 PM	#65
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 21,770	Originally Posted by novaphile It would be interesting to speculate how it managed to arrive in such good condition. NASA advised that it would be constructed out of carbon fibre and aluminium. From my own experience with working with aluminium, it is very easy to overheat, and very easy to set on fire. This piece of space junk is quite large and quite intact (except for all the frayed carbon fibre in the photographs). So I'm wondering if the carbon fibre could have acted as ablative armour for the aluminium... Well, there have been COPV's land intact before, but they are more aerodynamic... well, at least round and smooth, not unlike the fairings that come through reentry in good enough condition to be re-used multiple times. I struggle to see how an odd-shaped piece like that would not be just torn apart by the heat and forces involved.
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31st July 2022, 05:25 AM	#66
Garrison Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: UK Posts: 5,832	Well when it comes to dumping space junk back on Earth the Chinese are the world leaders: Long March 5B: Debris from Chinese rocket falls back to Earth This has been a repeated issue with this class of rocket, and on top of this are the expended boosters still containing toxic fuels that fall back on Chinese territory.
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31st July 2022, 09:24 PM	#67
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 77,363	Originally Posted by theprestige I swing the other way. That statement suggests to me that the entire article is sensationalist jackassery, and the object in question was planted by the homeowner to get attention. He's a farmer from Dalgety! Anyway, this thing's re-entry was heard over 300km away. There's no doubt it came from space.
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31st July 2022, 09:58 PM	#68
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 21,770	Originally Posted by theprestige I swing the other way. That statement suggests to me that the entire article is sensationalist jackassery, and the object in question was planted by the homeowner to get attention. Nope. That is definitely space junk that has survived re-entry, and it is almost certainly a part of the Crew Dragon trunk This thing is one of the mount points of one of the four fins, and you can see that part of the fin is still attached to the right side of the piece of space junk. I have absolutely zero doubt this is part of the Crew Dragon trunk.
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31st July 2022, 10:35 PM	#69
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 77,363	More Snowy Mountains space junk found amid visit from Australian Space Agency Quote: A third piece of space junk has been found in the NSW Snowy Mountains, believed to be linked to a SpaceX craft. Two other pieces of debris were recently found by farmers at neighbouring properties in Numbla Vale, after a loud bang was heard in the region on July 9. The sonic boom was believed to be caused by the SpaceX Dragon spacecraft, which was launched in November 2020, re-entering Earth's atmosphere. One piece of the junk was embedded deep in the ground and was estimated to be about three metres long. The third piece of debris was discovered and photographed by a Moonbah resident on July 14. It was not until the ABC's coverage of the space junk in late July that the owner came forward.
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1st August 2022, 12:17 PM	#70
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 55,885	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Here's a curious little story of a close call: Unidentifed metal object falls through Gympie family's roof, narrowly missing baby bouncer There are plenty of pictures. Looks to me like something that could have been melted and resolidified at some point. It smashed straight through the roof and broke tiles as it hit, so it was moving at quite a clip. Commence speculation! It's a piece of Babylon FIve which went through a time warp.
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1st August 2022, 12:45 PM	#71
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Antimemetics Division Posts: 60,102	Originally Posted by arthwollipot He's a farmer from Dalgety! Anyway, this thing's re-entry was heard over 300km away. There's no doubt it came from space. Somebody over 300km away heard something, and there's definitive evidence that this is what they heard? To me it's no different from claims of alien teleportation drives based on two dodgy radar returns separated by hundreds of miles but only a few seconds. Maybe the two returns are just two unrelated things.
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1st August 2022, 12:46 PM	#72
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Antimemetics Division Posts: 60,102	Originally Posted by smartcooky Nope. That is definitely space junk that has survived re-entry, and it is almost certainly a part of the Crew Dragon trunk https://www.dropbox.com/s/wg20bx34qy...unk1.jpg?raw=1 This thing is one of the mount points of one of the four fins, and you can see that part of the fin is still attached to the right side of the piece of space junk. I have absolutely zero doubt this is part of the Crew Dragon trunk. Well okay, it's real. I don't dispute that. But that bit about "damaging the ozone layer" still makes the story sound profoundly unserious.
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1st August 2022, 07:11 PM	#73
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 77,363	Originally Posted by theprestige Well okay, it's real. I don't dispute that. But that bit about "damaging the ozone layer" still makes the story sound profoundly unserious. I think that's a case of a non-science specialist journalist writing the copy. That sort of thing happens all the time in science reporting, unfortunately. I wouldn't read too much into it.
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2nd August 2022, 08:09 PM	#74
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 77,363	SpaceX rocket debris lands in sheep paddock, Australian Space Agency confirms Quote: The Australian Space Agency has confirmed debris found in the NSW Snowy Mountains belongs to SpaceX. Three pieces of space junk have so far been found in the region, which are considered to be the biggest pieces found in Australia since 1979. Two pieces were inspected by technical experts from the Australian Space Agency and NSW Police on Saturday. Police have since confirmed they were also aware of the third piece being found in the region.
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Today, 03:17 AM	#75
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 13,446	Originally Posted by cjdelphi If it falls from space, does anyone own it? Isn't it rubbish ? That would depend on the rules of the jurisdiction it lands in.