2000 Mules - Page 3

Warp12 · 12th May 2022, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

This reads like a conspiracy theory, in itself.

Originally Posted by johnny karate

Exactly, because everything you claim is 100% true and you have absolutely no motive to lie. Why, you're just an impartial observer who just popped into this thread out of idle curiosity. No horse in this race whatsoever.

There is something nefarious to my intent, no doubt. Anyone can see that. I mean, how much more evidence does one need?

johnny karate · 12th May 2022, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

There is something nefarious to my intent, no doubt. Anyone can see that. I mean, how much more evidence does one need?

You conveniently clipped the part of my post that mentioned precedent.

Sorry, but if you dabble in conspiracy theories even a little bit, the stink is pretty hard to wash off.

Warp12 · 12th May 2022, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

You conveniently clipped the part of my post that mentioned precedent.

Sorry, but if you dabble in conspiracy theories even a little bit, the stink is pretty hard to wash off.

There is no precedent, despite your consistent presentation of my statements out of context, and assigning them imagined intent. Oh well, it's more fun this way, I guess.

johnny karate · 12th May 2022, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

There is no precedent, despite your consistent presentation of my statements out of context, and assigning them imagined intent. Oh well, it's more fun this way, I guess.

Hopefully the mystery of why this fake-umentary isn’t on Rotten Tomatoes won’t trouble you for as long as your completely genuine concerns about “long-term effects” of the Covid vaccine have.

Warp12 · 12th May 2022, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

Hopefully the mystery of why this fake-umentary isn’t on Rotten Tomatoes won’t trouble you for as long as your completely genuine concerns about “long-term effects” of the Covid vaccine have.

Uhh, I'm triple-vaxxed, bro. Any remote chance of potential long-term effects are of less concern to me than the risk of contracting covid.

I still would like to see this show up listed on RT. It is pretty odd that it hasn't, when you have stuff promoting Bob Lazar's ideas on there, for example. You would at least expect audience reviews. Maybe they don't want to give any recognition to this craziness, after the Capitol riot. As I say, lots of stuff shows up on there before any reviews are registered.

johnny karate · 12th May 2022, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Uhh, I'm triple-vaxxed, bro. Any remote chance of potential long-term effects are of less concern to me than the risk of contracting covid.

Sure it is.

That's why you repeatedly brought up concerns of "long-term effects".

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I still would like to see this show up listed on RT. It is pretty odd that it hasn't, when you have stuff promoting Bob Lazar's ideas on there, for example. You would at least expect audience reviews. Maybe they don't want to give any recognition to this craziness, after the Capitol riot. As I say, lots of stuff shows up on there before any reviews are registered.

It's a curated site. Not every turd trying to pass itself as a movie is necessarily going to be listed. This was already explained.

Ladewig · 12th May 2022, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by newyorkguy

trump only watched the trailer? The film premiered at Mar-a-Lago. trump praised the film, …
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Neither of those statements of fact are evidence that Trump watched the entire film

Susheel · 12th May 2022, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

Neither of those statements of fact are evidence that Trump watched the entire film

Well, unless the film was about him... He would have lost interest in 5 minutes.

Ladewig · 12th May 2022, 08:59 PM

2000 Mules does follow standard conspiracy thinking.

For instance the “they are evil geniuses and evil morons simultaneously” schtick.
Why would the the people managing the illegitimate votes use workers from the campaign headquarters? There’s always a danger that one of the mules will be caught - therefore the mules should not be tied to the official campaign in any way. All the illegal stuff should be done at a small out-of-the-way office and use people who never even swing by the campaign headquarters. In fact, if possible, the mules shouldn’t even know whether the stuffed ballots are for Biden or Trump.

Norman Alexander · 12th May 2022, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

2000 Mules does follow standard conspiracy thinking.

For instance the “they are evil geniuses and evil morons simultaneously” schtick.
Why would the the people managing the illegitimate votes use workers from the campaign headquarters? There’s always a danger that one of the mules will be caught - therefore the mules should not be tied to the official campaign in any way. All the illegal stuff should be done at a small out-of-the-way office and use people who never even swing by the campaign headquarters. In fact, if possible, the mules shouldn’t even know whether the stuffed ballots are for Biden or Trump.

And why would these evil geniuses get caught on camera, in a location which was almost certain to have cameras, and where they would obviously know they would get caught on camera. It's almost like they WANTED to get caught on camera.

Stacyhs · 13th May 2022, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
If True the Vote said they have video of Biden and Clinton having Blood Marys made with real blood and sharing a Christian Baby charcuterie, there are some people who would believe it.

...and there are some who would deny it, even after viewing the authenticated video.

Sometimes it's better to say nothing at all; your sad retort is a classic example.

Stacyhs · 13th May 2022, 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

I'd bet that Donald Trump has only watched the trailer, he won't have had the attention span to watch all of it, or even extended "highlights"

Depends on how much buttered popcorn they give him.

Norman Alexander · 13th May 2022, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Depends on how much buttered popcorn they give him.

Diet Coke and KFC.

Ladewig · 13th May 2022, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Diet Coke and KFC.

Don’t forget the two(!) scoops of ice cream.

Brainster · 20th May 2022, 05:25 PM

I watched a bit of it while on my exercise bike. My take is that it is pretty slickly produced and when they show the intricate routes that the "mules" purportedly took to various polling dropoff boxes, it looks pretty compelling. But there is an obvious problems with believing that it was all these people in the big cities (IIRC over half of the mules that De Souza identified were in Philadelphia), and that is that Trump generally did better in many cities in 2020 than he had in 2016, including Philly. What killed Trump was his dramatic loss of support in suburbia (including suburban Philadelphia).

The Great Zaganza · 20th May 2022, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

I watched a bit of it while on my exercise bike. My take is that it is pretty slickly produced and when they show the intricate routes that the "mules" purportedly took to various polling dropoff boxes, it looks pretty compelling. But there is an obvious problems with believing that it was all these people in the big cities (IIRC over half of the mules that De Souza identified were in Philadelphia), and that is that Trump generally did better in many cities in 2020 than he had in 2016, including Philly. What killed Trump was his dramatic loss of support in suburbia (including suburban Philadelphia).

garbage in - garbage out.
The process might be beautiful, but when your base assumptions are demonstrably crazy, the end result will be nonsense.
But there are always those who let themselves get dazzled by a spiffy performance.

Brainster · 20th May 2022, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

garbage in - garbage out.
The process might be beautiful, but when your base assumptions are demonstrably crazy, the end result will be nonsense.
But there are always those who let themselves get dazzled by a spiffy performance.

That is the concern. Like I said, you see the route one guy apparently took and it really looks suspicious. How many will say, okay that is one frigging guy and they picked him because he looks really suspicious if you ignore a few things and how many will say that's one frigging guy and he is one of thousands, and that is how Trump lost.

I am not seeing this movie being promoted on any of the sensible conservative websites on the internet, although I'm sure Hoft has pushed it on Gateway and Newsmax has reported it breathlessly. But I repeat myself.

Warp12 · 21st May 2022, 12:08 AM

It is now listed on Rotten Tomatoes...with a 99% audience score. Pretty amusing.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/2000_mules

Sample audience review comment:

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"A must see movie for every American concerned about election integrity."

EaglePuncher · 21st May 2022, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

It is now listed on Rotten Tomatoes...with a 99% audience score. Pretty amusing.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/2000_mules

Sample audience review comment:

Percentages are hard to understand for some.

Parsman · 21st May 2022, 03:49 AM

If my sides cease hurting from laughing, how many people giving how many reviews produced those outcomes? You don't think that just possibly DeSouza or one of his team might be trying to inflate the figures to get more attention for this dross he has the nerve to claim is a documentary movie?

mikegriffith1 · 21st May 2022, 03:55 AM

The "fact checks" that I've seen so far on 2000 Mules strike me as nit-picky and weak. They don't deal with the heart of the evidence that the documentary presents.

Although traditional news outlets have ignored them, there've been a number of important discoveries relating to election fraud in the 2020 election. For example, a few months ago, an audit ordered by the Arizona Senate found evidence that 200,000 mail-in ballots had signature mismatches--i.e., the signature on the ballot did not match the signature on file. Biden "won" Arizona by just 11K votes. And, in Wisconsin, which Biden "won" by just 20K votes, a special counsel investigation found that 91 nursing homes had an astounding, unprecedented voter turnout rate of 95-100%. Investigators interviewed family members of many of the seniors in those nursing homes, and they repeatedly insisted that their loved ones were in no condition to vote and had not voted in years.

Similarly, a few weeks ago, important evidence of serious election fraud was uncovered in Georgia, thanks to a successful "open records" suit that forced Fulton County to release over 100 ballot scanner tapes. The tapes show that over 300,000 votes were not verified and, even worse, that over 100 ballot-scanner flashcards were not signed and were pulled prematurely from 12 different ballot scanners, in violation of the law. Pulling the flashcards prematurely and unsigned enabled them to be scanned in other ballot scanners undetected. Just the News has a detailed article on this important discovery. Keep in mind that Biden "won" Georgia by 12,000 votes. This evidence may explain the odd fact that Republicans won solid majorities in the Georgia legislature in the 2020 election (103 out of 141 House seats and 34 out of 56 Senate seats), yet somehow supposedly lost in the presidential voting.

I've produced a website that contains many articles on the evidence of serious election fraud in the 2020 election, but I can't provide the URL for this site because I haven't posted enough replies to qualify to do so.

Susheel · 21st May 2022, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by Parsman

If my sides cease hurting from laughing, how many people giving how many reviews produced those outcomes? You don't think that just possibly DeSouza or one of his team might be trying to inflate the figures to get more attention for this dross he has the nerve to claim is a documentary movie?

On various social media sites, there are those who insist that we "Watch the fil and open your eyes." Well, my response has been,

"I did and it is just a whole lot of fantasy driven speculation based on dubious "evidence." Exacyly what aspect in the film did you think, provided incontrovertible proof for the claims?"

The response is always some version of "Watch it...it's all there."

Me: "I did, there is nothing there. Tell me where the "absolute proof" is. "

Them: >>> crickets <<<

Leads me to believe a lot of thosse lauding the film have only seen the promos and rushes.

Warp12 · 21st May 2022, 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by Parsman

If my sides cease hurting from laughing, how many people giving how many reviews produced those outcomes? You don't think that just possibly DeSouza or one of his team might be trying to inflate the figures to get more attention for this dross he has the nerve to claim is a documentary movie?

Anything is possible. I'm not making any claims about the film personally; I haven't seen it.

Susheel · 21st May 2022, 04:10 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Anything is possible. I'm not making any claims about the film personally; I haven't seen it.

Wanna bet most of those reviewers also haven't?

EaglePuncher · 21st May 2022, 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by mikegriffith1

The "fact checks" that I've seen so far on 2000 Mules strike me as nit-picky and weak. They don't deal with the heart of the evidence that the documentary presents.

Although traditional news outlets have ignored them, there've been a number of important discoveries relating to election fraud in the 2020 election. For example, a few months ago, an audit ordered by the Arizona Senate found evidence that 200,000 mail-in ballots had signature mismatches--i.e., the signature on the ballot did not match the signature on file. Biden "won" Arizona by just 11K votes. And, in Wisconsin, which Biden "won" by just 20K votes, a special counsel investigation found that 91 nursing homes had an astounding, unprecedented voter turnout rate of 95-100%. Investigators interviewed family members of many of the seniors in those nursing homes, and they repeatedly insisted that their loved ones were in no condition to vote and had not voted in years.

Similarly, a few weeks ago, important evidence of serious election fraud was uncovered in Georgia, thanks to a successful "open records" suit that forced Fulton County to release over 100 ballot scanner tapes. The tapes show that over 300,000 votes were not verified and, even worse, that over 100 ballot-scanner flashcards were not signed and were pulled prematurely from 12 different ballot scanners, in violation of the law. Pulling the flashcards prematurely and unsigned enabled them to be scanned in other ballot scanners undetected. Just the News has a detailed article on this important discovery. Keep in mind that Biden "won" Georgia by 12,000 votes. This evidence may explain the odd fact that Republicans won solid majorities in the Georgia legislature in the 2020 election (103 out of 141 House seats and 34 out of 56 Senate seats), yet somehow supposedly lost in the presidential voting.

I've produced a website that contains many articles on the evidence of serious election fraud in the 2020 election, but I can't provide the URL for this site because I haven't posted enough replies to qualify to do so.

Hooray, finally there will be evidence of a heavily coordinated, nationwide election fraud. Astonishing how the several thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands have kept their mouth shut. Just you wait until the new member has racked up enough posts to post the link to his website with the "evidence".

The Great Zaganza · 21st May 2022, 04:17 AM

So why was none of this evidence ever presented in Court setting?
Why did Rudy and the kraken had to lie and manufacture evidence?
And why isn't D'Souza bringing this to the FBI?

EaglePuncher · 21st May 2022, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

So why was none of this evidence ever presented in Court setting?
Why did Rudy and the kraken had to lie and manufacture evidence?
And why isn't D'Souza bringing this to the FBI?

The evidence was entirely in the hands of Mike Lindell but his dog ate it all.

Craig4 · 21st May 2022, 04:28 AM

Originally Posted by Bogative

True the Vote is claiming their source can be seen in multiple videos stuffing ballots at multiple drop boxes.

Earlier you asked why they haven't turned over the video evidence and why there are no investigations. True the Vote said they turned their findings over to the FBI and the state of Georgia has had an open investigation based off of their evidence since January.

That probably never happened. A Trump supporters are known to be of a dishonest class of people. Are there any Americans who can support the claims of these Trump supporters?

Warp12 · 21st May 2022, 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by Susheel

Wanna bet most of those reviewers also haven't?

Possibly true. The reviews on RT say they are verified, meaning they purchased a ticket. But would it surprise anyone if the movie had a lot of positive audience reviews? I mean, I am certain most people who watch it have already drawn a conclusion.

kookbreaker · 21st May 2022, 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by EaglePuncher

Hooray, finally there will be evidence of a heavily coordinated, nationwide election fraud. Astonishing how the several thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands have kept their mouth shut. Just you wait until the new member has racked up enough posts to post the link to his website with the "evidence".

$20 the Arizona part says it is just Dr. Shiva’s nonsense, where he didn’t even have access to the ballots but compared them to signatures on deeds and such.

Quote:

In a more recent study that Ayyadurai conducted outside of the scope of the “audit,” which Townsend and Wright cited, he claimed to have found a number of early ballots that were counted despite containing signatures that did not match other signatures from those voters.

However, Ayyadurai acknowledged that he didn’t have access to the signatures that election officials used for comparisons. Instead, he said he used examples of signatures for the 499 voters whose ballot affidavits his team examined that he found on deeds on the Maricopa County Recorder’s website.

Election officials and signature verification experts say people’s signatures can change over time. It’s unclear how recent the signatures that Ayyadurai used were, or whether anyone has independently verified that he matched deeds with the correct voters.

https://www.azmirror.com/blog/here-w...ction-records/

This was in addition to a hot of other errors in another study where it is clear Dr. Shiva has no idea what he is talking about.

EaglePuncher · 21st May 2022, 04:55 AM

The funniest part is the part where they "found" "new" "evidence" "a few months" ago. (Which is of course a kind of a "9/11" situation, where the evil wrongdoers managed to pull off a massive crime without being caught but they left evidence literally everywhere, even years after the crime, most of it blatantly obvious also, so some upright citizens, without any experience in forensic analysis of course, could uncover it)

kookbreaker · 21st May 2022, 05:05 AM

The Wisconsin nursing homes bit is also likely a lie. The levels were on par with previous elections.

https://www.agupdate.com/news/local/...992dcc292.html

The Georgia bit is too new for any real examination. But the track record isn’t good so far, and the point is Gish Gallop and shotgun approach for the faithful anyway.

catsmate · 21st May 2022, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by mikegriffith1

The "fact checks" that I've seen so far on 2000 Mules strike me as nit-picky and weak. They don't deal with the heart of the evidence that the documentary presents.
<snippage of debunked garbage>.

What "evidence" is that? Why wasn't it introduced in the scores of failed court challenges?

newyorkguy · 21st May 2022, 07:35 AM

That there's an enthusiastic audience for this film should surprise no one. As Politifact reported:

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More than a dozen public opinion surveys found that a majority of Americans overall believe the results of the 2020 election were legitimate. However, many of these polls also found that many Republicans continue to hold the view that the results were skewed by voter fraud, despite a lack of evidence. Politifact link

Of course a lot of Republicans are going to say they believe trump was the real winner. I think polls show the number is around 50%. Below is a quote of three weeks ago from a local PBS news station in Pennsylvania:

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With two weeks until Pennsylvania’s primary election, Republican candidates running for U.S. Senate and governor continue to sow doubts about the legitimacy of 2020’s presidential election, showing the extent to which the GOP campaign trail remains in thrall to former President Donald Trump’s extreme and baseless election claims. WHYY link

You see posters here who will not state that, given all the investigations -- many conducted by Republican officials -- it's time to concede, yes the claims seem to have proven baseless. They waffle. This meme has already done a lot of damage to this nation -- many people outside the US are astonished at the way some Americans are behaving -- but the people who propagate this stuff don't care. They all say how much they love America -but they mean an 'imaginary' America, not the one that actually exists. They hate that one!

The Great Zaganza · 21st May 2022, 07:57 AM

So what 2000 Mules is saying that the vote that got dozens of Republicans elected was rigged.
I assume that the Republicans in the districts in question are going to step down, now that they have seen the evidence.

Resume · 21st May 2022, 08:44 AM

The felonious convicted campaign fraudster produced a film to gull and grift credulous MAGA-nitwits.

Smells like Dinesh.

crescent · 21st May 2022, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by mikegriffith1

I've produced a website that contains many articles on the evidence of serious election fraud in the 2020 election, but I can't provide the URL for this site because I haven't posted enough replies to qualify to do so.

Write it out thusly: mywebsitedotcom, or mywebsite dot com, or something like that with the word "dot" instead of the actual dot. A forum member can then link to it in reply. If we're feeling nice.

Warp12 · 21st May 2022, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

So what 2000 Mules is saying that the vote that got dozens of Republicans elected was rigged.
I assume that the Republicans in the districts in question are going to step down, now that they have seen the evidence.

Obviously you shouldn't rig the election at every.level...too suspicious. Best to keep eyes on the prize.

The Great Zaganza · 21st May 2022, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Obviously you shouldn't rig the election at every.level...too suspicious. Best to keep eyes on the prize.

right.
because getting a solid majority in Congress is not important

Warp12 · 21st May 2022, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

right.
because getting a solid majority in Congress is not important

Seriously, who are we to question the masterminds behind such fraud?

12th May 2022, 04:13 PM	#81
Warp12 King of Kings Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 5,515	Originally Posted by Warp12 This reads like a conspiracy theory, in itself. Originally Posted by johnny karate Exactly, because everything you claim is 100% true and you have absolutely no motive to lie. Why, you're just an impartial observer who just popped into this thread out of idle curiosity. No horse in this race whatsoever. There is something nefarious to my intent, no doubt. Anyone can see that. I mean, how much more evidence does one need?
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12th May 2022, 05:25 PM	#83
Warp12 King of Kings Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 5,515	Originally Posted by johnny karate You conveniently clipped the part of my post that mentioned precedent. Sorry, but if you dabble in conspiracy theories even a little bit, the stink is pretty hard to wash off. There is no precedent, despite your consistent presentation of my statements out of context, and assigning them imagined intent. Oh well, it's more fun this way, I guess.
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12th May 2022, 05:35 PM	#85
Warp12 King of Kings Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 5,515	Originally Posted by johnny karate Hopefully the mystery of why this fake-umentary isn’t on Rotten Tomatoes won’t trouble you for as long as your completely genuine concerns about “long-term effects” of the Covid vaccine have. Uhh, I'm triple-vaxxed, bro. Any remote chance of potential long-term effects are of less concern to me than the risk of contracting covid. I still would like to see this show up listed on RT. It is pretty odd that it hasn't, when you have stuff promoting Bob Lazar's ideas on there, for example. You would at least expect audience reviews. Maybe they don't want to give any recognition to this craziness, after the Capitol riot. As I say, lots of stuff shows up on there before any reviews are registered.
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12th May 2022, 08:42 PM	#87
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,462	Originally Posted by newyorkguy trump only watched the trailer? The film premiered at Mar-a-Lago. trump praised the film, … ( Neither of those statements of fact are evidence that Trump watched the entire film
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12th May 2022, 08:46 PM	#88
Susheel Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hyderabad, India Posts: 2,699	Originally Posted by Ladewig Neither of those statements of fact are evidence that Trump watched the entire film Well, unless the film was about him... He would have lost interest in 5 minutes.
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12th May 2022, 05:05 PM	#82
johnny karate Suspended Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 15,455	Originally Posted by Warp12 There is something nefarious to my intent, no doubt. Anyone can see that. I mean, how much more evidence does one need? You conveniently clipped the part of my post that mentioned precedent. Sorry, but if you dabble in conspiracy theories even a little bit, the stink is pretty hard to wash off.

12th May 2022, 05:30 PM	#84
johnny karate Suspended Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 15,455	Originally Posted by Warp12 There is no precedent, despite your consistent presentation of my statements out of context, and assigning them imagined intent. Oh well, it's more fun this way, I guess. Hopefully the mystery of why this fake-umentary isn’t on Rotten Tomatoes won’t trouble you for as long as your completely genuine concerns about “long-term effects” of the Covid vaccine have.

12th May 2022, 05:55 PM	#86
johnny karate Suspended Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 15,455	Originally Posted by Warp12 Uhh, I'm triple-vaxxed, bro. Any remote chance of potential long-term effects are of less concern to me than the risk of contracting covid. Sure it is. That's why you repeatedly brought up concerns of "long-term effects". Quote: I still would like to see this show up listed on RT. It is pretty odd that it hasn't, when you have stuff promoting Bob Lazar's ideas on there, for example. You would at least expect audience reviews. Maybe they don't want to give any recognition to this craziness, after the Capitol riot. As I say, lots of stuff shows up on there before any reviews are registered. It's a curated site. Not every turd trying to pass itself as a movie is necessarily going to be listed. This was already explained.

12th May 2022, 08:59 PM	#89
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,462	2000 Mules does follow standard conspiracy thinking. For instance the “they are evil geniuses and evil morons simultaneously” schtick. Why would the the people managing the illegitimate votes use workers from the campaign headquarters? There’s always a danger that one of the mules will be caught - therefore the mules should not be tied to the official campaign in any way. All the illegal stuff should be done at a small out-of-the-way office and use people who never even swing by the campaign headquarters. In fact, if possible, the mules shouldn’t even know whether the stuffed ballots are for Biden or Trump.
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12th May 2022, 10:26 PM	#90
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 11,790	Originally Posted by Ladewig 2000 Mules does follow standard conspiracy thinking. For instance the “they are evil geniuses and evil morons simultaneously” schtick. Why would the the people managing the illegitimate votes use workers from the campaign headquarters? There’s always a danger that one of the mules will be caught - therefore the mules should not be tied to the official campaign in any way. All the illegal stuff should be done at a small out-of-the-way office and use people who never even swing by the campaign headquarters. In fact, if possible, the mules shouldn’t even know whether the stuffed ballots are for Biden or Trump. And why would these evil geniuses get caught on camera, in a location which was almost certain to have cameras, and where they would obviously know they would get caught on camera. It's almost like they WANTED to get caught on camera.
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13th May 2022, 01:13 AM	#91
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 25,225	Originally Posted by Warp12 Quote: Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post If True the Vote said they have video of Biden and Clinton having Blood Marys made with real blood and sharing a Christian Baby charcuterie, there are some people who would believe it. ...and there are some who would deny it, even after viewing the authenticated video. Sometimes it's better to say nothing at all; your sad retort is a classic example.

13th May 2022, 01:16 AM	#92
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 25,225	Originally Posted by The Don I'd bet that Donald Trump has only watched the trailer, he won't have had the attention span to watch all of it, or even extended "highlights" Depends on how much buttered popcorn they give him.

13th May 2022, 02:06 AM	#93
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 11,790	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Depends on how much buttered popcorn they give him. Diet Coke and KFC.
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13th May 2022, 07:46 AM	#94
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,462	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Diet Coke and KFC. Don’t forget the two(!) scoops of ice cream.
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20th May 2022, 05:25 PM	#95
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 18,882	I watched a bit of it while on my exercise bike. My take is that it is pretty slickly produced and when they show the intricate routes that the "mules" purportedly took to various polling dropoff boxes, it looks pretty compelling. But there is an obvious problems with believing that it was all these people in the big cities (IIRC over half of the mules that De Souza identified were in Philadelphia), and that is that Trump generally did better in many cities in 2020 than he had in 2016, including Philly. What killed Trump was his dramatic loss of support in suburbia (including suburban Philadelphia).
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20th May 2022, 09:23 PM	#96
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 18,022	Originally Posted by Brainster I watched a bit of it while on my exercise bike. My take is that it is pretty slickly produced and when they show the intricate routes that the "mules" purportedly took to various polling dropoff boxes, it looks pretty compelling. But there is an obvious problems with believing that it was all these people in the big cities (IIRC over half of the mules that De Souza identified were in Philadelphia), and that is that Trump generally did better in many cities in 2020 than he had in 2016, including Philly. What killed Trump was his dramatic loss of support in suburbia (including suburban Philadelphia). garbage in - garbage out. The process might be beautiful, but when your base assumptions are demonstrably crazy, the end result will be nonsense. But there are always those who let themselves get dazzled by a spiffy performance.
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20th May 2022, 11:45 PM	#97
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 18,882	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza garbage in - garbage out. The process might be beautiful, but when your base assumptions are demonstrably crazy, the end result will be nonsense. But there are always those who let themselves get dazzled by a spiffy performance. That is the concern. Like I said, you see the route one guy apparently took and it really looks suspicious. How many will say, okay that is one frigging guy and they picked him because he looks really suspicious if you ignore a few things and how many will say that's one frigging guy and he is one of thousands, and that is how Trump lost. I am not seeing this movie being promoted on any of the sensible conservative websites on the internet, although I'm sure Hoft has pushed it on Gateway and Newsmax has reported it breathlessly. But I repeat myself.
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21st May 2022, 12:08 AM	#98
Warp12 King of Kings Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 5,515	It is now listed on Rotten Tomatoes...with a 99% audience score. Pretty amusing. https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/2000_mules Sample audience review comment: Quote: "A must see movie for every American concerned about election integrity."
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21st May 2022, 01:20 AM	#99
EaglePuncher Muse Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 691	Originally Posted by Warp12 It is now listed on Rotten Tomatoes...with a 99% audience score. Pretty amusing. https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/2000_mules Sample audience review comment: Percentages are hard to understand for some.
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21st May 2022, 03:49 AM	#100
Parsman Muse Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bonnie Scotland Posts: 834	If my sides cease hurting from laughing, how many people giving how many reviews produced those outcomes? You don't think that just possibly DeSouza or one of his team might be trying to inflate the figures to get more attention for this dross he has the nerve to claim is a documentary movie?
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21st May 2022, 03:55 AM	#101
mikegriffith1 Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 418	The "fact checks" that I've seen so far on 2000 Mules strike me as nit-picky and weak. They don't deal with the heart of the evidence that the documentary presents. Although traditional news outlets have ignored them, there've been a number of important discoveries relating to election fraud in the 2020 election. For example, a few months ago, an audit ordered by the Arizona Senate found evidence that 200,000 mail-in ballots had signature mismatches--i.e., the signature on the ballot did not match the signature on file. Biden "won" Arizona by just 11K votes. And, in Wisconsin, which Biden "won" by just 20K votes, a special counsel investigation found that 91 nursing homes had an astounding, unprecedented voter turnout rate of 95-100%. Investigators interviewed family members of many of the seniors in those nursing homes, and they repeatedly insisted that their loved ones were in no condition to vote and had not voted in years. Similarly, a few weeks ago, important evidence of serious election fraud was uncovered in Georgia, thanks to a successful "open records" suit that forced Fulton County to release over 100 ballot scanner tapes. The tapes show that over 300,000 votes were not verified and, even worse, that over 100 ballot-scanner flashcards were not signed and were pulled prematurely from 12 different ballot scanners, in violation of the law. Pulling the flashcards prematurely and unsigned enabled them to be scanned in other ballot scanners undetected. Just the News has a detailed article on this important discovery. Keep in mind that Biden "won" Georgia by 12,000 votes. This evidence may explain the odd fact that Republicans won solid majorities in the Georgia legislature in the 2020 election (103 out of 141 House seats and 34 out of 56 Senate seats), yet somehow supposedly lost in the presidential voting. I've produced a website that contains many articles on the evidence of serious election fraud in the 2020 election, but I can't provide the URL for this site because I haven't posted enough replies to qualify to do so.

21st May 2022, 03:59 AM	#102
Susheel Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hyderabad, India Posts: 2,699	Originally Posted by Parsman If my sides cease hurting from laughing, how many people giving how many reviews produced those outcomes? You don't think that just possibly DeSouza or one of his team might be trying to inflate the figures to get more attention for this dross he has the nerve to claim is a documentary movie? On various social media sites, there are those who insist that we "Watch the fil and open your eyes." Well, my response has been, "I did and it is just a whole lot of fantasy driven speculation based on dubious "evidence." Exacyly what aspect in the film did you think, provided incontrovertible proof for the claims?" The response is always some version of "Watch it...it's all there." Me: "I did, there is nothing there. Tell me where the "absolute proof" is. " Them: >>> crickets <<< Leads me to believe a lot of thosse lauding the film have only seen the promos and rushes.
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21st May 2022, 04:00 AM	#103
Warp12 King of Kings Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 5,515	Originally Posted by Parsman If my sides cease hurting from laughing, how many people giving how many reviews produced those outcomes? You don't think that just possibly DeSouza or one of his team might be trying to inflate the figures to get more attention for this dross he has the nerve to claim is a documentary movie? Anything is possible. I'm not making any claims about the film personally; I haven't seen it.
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21st May 2022, 04:10 AM	#104
Susheel Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hyderabad, India Posts: 2,699	Originally Posted by Warp12 Anything is possible. I'm not making any claims about the film personally; I haven't seen it. Wanna bet most of those reviewers also haven't?
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21st May 2022, 04:12 AM	#105
EaglePuncher Muse Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 691	Originally Posted by mikegriffith1 The "fact checks" that I've seen so far on 2000 Mules strike me as nit-picky and weak. They don't deal with the heart of the evidence that the documentary presents. Although traditional news outlets have ignored them, there've been a number of important discoveries relating to election fraud in the 2020 election. For example, a few months ago, an audit ordered by the Arizona Senate found evidence that 200,000 mail-in ballots had signature mismatches--i.e., the signature on the ballot did not match the signature on file. Biden "won" Arizona by just 11K votes. And, in Wisconsin, which Biden "won" by just 20K votes, a special counsel investigation found that 91 nursing homes had an astounding, unprecedented voter turnout rate of 95-100%. Investigators interviewed family members of many of the seniors in those nursing homes, and they repeatedly insisted that their loved ones were in no condition to vote and had not voted in years. Similarly, a few weeks ago, important evidence of serious election fraud was uncovered in Georgia, thanks to a successful "open records" suit that forced Fulton County to release over 100 ballot scanner tapes. The tapes show that over 300,000 votes were not verified and, even worse, that over 100 ballot-scanner flashcards were not signed and were pulled prematurely from 12 different ballot scanners, in violation of the law. Pulling the flashcards prematurely and unsigned enabled them to be scanned in other ballot scanners undetected. Just the News has a detailed article on this important discovery. Keep in mind that Biden "won" Georgia by 12,000 votes. This evidence may explain the odd fact that Republicans won solid majorities in the Georgia legislature in the 2020 election (103 out of 141 House seats and 34 out of 56 Senate seats), yet somehow supposedly lost in the presidential voting. I've produced a website that contains many articles on the evidence of serious election fraud in the 2020 election, but I can't provide the URL for this site because I haven't posted enough replies to qualify to do so. Hooray, finally there will be evidence of a heavily coordinated, nationwide election fraud. Astonishing how the several thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands have kept their mouth shut. Just you wait until the new member has racked up enough posts to post the link to his website with the "evidence".
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21st May 2022, 04:17 AM	#106
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 18,022	So why was none of this evidence ever presented in Court setting? Why did Rudy and the kraken had to lie and manufacture evidence? And why isn't D'Souza bringing this to the FBI?
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21st May 2022, 04:24 AM	#107
EaglePuncher Muse Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 691	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza So why was none of this evidence ever presented in Court setting? Why did Rudy and the kraken had to lie and manufacture evidence? And why isn't D'Souza bringing this to the FBI? The evidence was entirely in the hands of Mike Lindell but his dog ate it all.
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21st May 2022, 04:28 AM	#108
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 25,293	Originally Posted by Bogative True the Vote is claiming their source can be seen in multiple videos stuffing ballots at multiple drop boxes. Earlier you asked why they haven't turned over the video evidence and why there are no investigations. True the Vote said they turned their findings over to the FBI and the state of Georgia has had an open investigation based off of their evidence since January. That probably never happened. A Trump supporters are known to be of a dishonest class of people. Are there any Americans who can support the claims of these Trump supporters?
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21st May 2022, 04:29 AM	#109
Warp12 King of Kings Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 5,515	Originally Posted by Susheel Wanna bet most of those reviewers also haven't? Possibly true. The reviews on RT say they are verified, meaning they purchased a ticket. But would it surprise anyone if the movie had a lot of positive audience reviews? I mean, I am certain most people who watch it have already drawn a conclusion.
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21st May 2022, 04:50 AM	#110
kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13,979	Originally Posted by EaglePuncher Hooray, finally there will be evidence of a heavily coordinated, nationwide election fraud. Astonishing how the several thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands have kept their mouth shut. Just you wait until the new member has racked up enough posts to post the link to his website with the "evidence". $20 the Arizona part says it is just Dr. Shiva’s nonsense, where he didn’t even have access to the ballots but compared them to signatures on deeds and such. Quote: In a more recent study that Ayyadurai conducted outside of the scope of the “audit,” which Townsend and Wright cited, he claimed to have found a number of early ballots that were counted despite containing signatures that did not match other signatures from those voters. However, Ayyadurai acknowledged that he didn’t have access to the signatures that election officials used for comparisons. Instead, he said he used examples of signatures for the 499 voters whose ballot affidavits his team examined that he found on deeds on the Maricopa County Recorder’s website. Election officials and signature verification experts say people’s signatures can change over time. It’s unclear how recent the signatures that Ayyadurai used were, or whether anyone has independently verified that he matched deeds with the correct voters. https://www.azmirror.com/blog/here-w...ction-records/ This was in addition to a hot of other errors in another study where it is clear Dr. Shiva has no idea what he is talking about.
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21st May 2022, 04:55 AM	#111
EaglePuncher Muse Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 691	The funniest part is the part where they "found" "new" "evidence" "a few months" ago. (Which is of course a kind of a "9/11" situation, where the evil wrongdoers managed to pull off a massive crime without being caught but they left evidence literally everywhere, even years after the crime, most of it blatantly obvious also, so some upright citizens, without any experience in forensic analysis of course, could uncover it)
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21st May 2022, 05:05 AM	#112
kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13,979	The Wisconsin nursing homes bit is also likely a lie. The levels were on par with previous elections. https://www.agupdate.com/news/local/...992dcc292.html The Georgia bit is too new for any real examination. But the track record isn’t good so far, and the point is Gish Gallop and shotgun approach for the faithful anyway.
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21st May 2022, 06:21 AM	#113
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27,069	Originally Posted by mikegriffith1 The "fact checks" that I've seen so far on 2000 Mules strike me as nit-picky and weak. They don't deal with the heart of the evidence that the documentary presents. <snippage of debunked garbage>. What "evidence" is that? Why wasn't it introduced in the scores of failed court challenges?
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21st May 2022, 07:35 AM	#114
newyorkguy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NY Posts: 12,298	That there's an enthusiastic audience for this film should surprise no one. As Politifact reported: Quote: More than a dozen public opinion surveys found that a majority of Americans overall believe the results of the 2020 election were legitimate. However, many of these polls also found that many Republicans continue to hold the view that the results were skewed by voter fraud, despite a lack of evidence. Politifact link Of course a lot of Republicans are going to say they believe trump was the real winner. I think polls show the number is around 50%. Below is a quote of three weeks ago from a local PBS news station in Pennsylvania: Quote: With two weeks until Pennsylvania’s primary election, Republican candidates running for U.S. Senate and governor continue to sow doubts about the legitimacy of 2020’s presidential election, showing the extent to which the GOP campaign trail remains in thrall to former President Donald Trump’s extreme and baseless election claims. WHYY link You see posters here who will not state that, given all the investigations -- many conducted by Republican officials -- it's time to concede, yes the claims seem to have proven baseless. They waffle. This meme has already done a lot of damage to this nation -- many people outside the US are astonished at the way some Americans are behaving -- but the people who propagate this stuff don't care. They all say how much they love America -but they mean an 'imaginary' America, not the one that actually exists. They hate that one!

21st May 2022, 07:57 AM	#115
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 18,022	So what 2000 Mules is saying that the vote that got dozens of Republicans elected was rigged. I assume that the Republicans in the districts in question are going to step down, now that they have seen the evidence.
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