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Old 7th September 2022, 04:37 PM   #2201
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I disagree 100%. It doesn't matter that she's family, or that she is involved in a lawsuit with him. She does not hide those facts. When she gives her opinions...not diagnosis... she supports them with evidence. There is no evidence that her opinions are incorrect as many mental health officials agree with her.

We will have to agree to disagree, as usual.
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Old 7th September 2022, 07:03 PM   #2202
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
We will have to agree to disagree, as usual.
I can agree to that.
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Old 7th September 2022, 07:19 PM   #2203
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I can agree to that.

Yay! We agree on something!

To be fair, we also agree that Trump sucks, so there’s that.
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Old 7th September 2022, 10:54 PM   #2204
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
Yay! We agree on something!

To be fair, we also agree that Trump sucks, so there’s that.
True dat, true dat.
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So everyone agrees Trump is a mental menace and the argument arises when professionals make that assessment without some level of direct interactive contact with him?
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Old 8th September 2022, 01:41 PM   #2206
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So everyone agrees Trump is a mental menace
Pretty much so except for the MAGA crowd. Although I'd use "off his ***** rocker".

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Old 15th September 2022, 05:59 AM   #2207
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https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...lasser-divider

Trump chief of staff used book on president’s mental health as White House guide
John Kelly secretly consulted The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump
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Old 15th September 2022, 11:10 AM   #2208
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...lasser-divider

Trump chief of staff used book on president’s mental health as White House guide
John Kelly secretly consulted The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump
I can see why.

The contributors to that book weren't wrong: Trump was and remains a danger to this country.
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Old 15th September 2022, 06:45 PM   #2209
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...lasser-divider
Trump chief of staff used book on president’s mental health as White House guide
John Kelly secretly consulted The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump

He probably wasn't the only person with a copy of the book. From your link:
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The authors report that Kelly’s view was shared by unnamed senior officials, quoting one as saying: “I think there’s something wrong with [Trump]. He doesn’t listen to anybody, and he feels like he shouldn’t. He just doesn’t care what other people say and think. I’ve never seen anything like it.”
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Old 16th September 2022, 09:51 AM   #2210
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Two new interviews with Dr. Trump:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...-enablers.html
https://www.salon.com/2022/09/12/mar...tment_partner/
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Old 16th September 2022, 12:02 PM   #2211
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I heard she's a Trekkie.
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Old 16th September 2022, 12:07 PM   #2212
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Interesting reads.
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Old 19th September 2022, 01:18 PM   #2213
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Trump openly embraces Qanon.
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On Tuesday, using his Truth Social platform, the Republican former president reposted an image of himself wearing a Q lapel pin overlaid with the words “The Storm is Coming." In QAnon lore, the “storm” refers to Trump's final victory, when supposedly he will regain power and his opponents will be tried, and potentially executed, on live television.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bc-us...b082746be99f3a

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Donald Trump made one of his highest-profile embraces to date of the extremist conspiracy group QAnon at a political rally in Ohio on Saturday, making the apparently deliberate choice to play music that is virtually indistinguishable from the cult organization’s adopted anthem.

Dozens of the former president’s supporters in Youngstown engaged in raised-arm salutes as Trump delivered a fiery address to the background of a song his team insisted was a royalty-free tune from the internet, but to many ears it was nearly identical to the 2020 instrumental track Wwg1wga.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...deo-ohio-vance
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They've gone beyond saying the quiet part out loud, now they're just screaming it.
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Old 19th September 2022, 04:21 PM   #2215
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Donald, Donald über alles, über alles in der Welt!




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Old 19th September 2022, 10:13 PM   #2216
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If anybody needs proof that T is completely off the deep end--there it is!

and its not 'nearly identical'--the song played at Trump rallies (as the crowd holds up one finger) is IDENTICAL to the Qanon self-proclaimed theme song wws1wga by 'Richard Feelgood' I know cause I listened to both tunes on Youtube, and there is *zero* difference. You dont need to do a spectral analysis to figure that one out.

The only puzzle is why the original composer (?) of 'Mirrors'--the song the Trump team claims it actually is, has not sued Feelgood. There are several possible reasons, from the composer being the same, to the fact that the music is royalty free and so there is no financial incentive.

But wow, to blatantly play a well-known Qanon song and then claim it isn't--that is beyond bonkers.
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I wonder why it took so long for Trump to publicly get behind the theory that he will be returned to power on a blaze of glory with his enemies being tried for crimes before being executed.

It’s clear he has fantasized about it since Nov 2020.
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Michael Cohen weighs in:
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"There's something very different about Donald Trump today than the Donald Trump I remember at the Trump Organization," Cohen said.

"I think cognitively there's something seriously going on. He's so worried about what's going on, not just in this case but in all of the cases, that I really do believe that cognitively there's something going on there because nobody, even Donald -- he's not stupid enough to believe that you can mentally declassify documents," Cohen explained.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/oth...6550aea82df59f

Cohen has known Trump for 16 years.
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Old 6th November 2022, 08:36 AM   #2219
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This is from The Atlantic, published Friday. About the suspense over Brazil president Jair Bolsonaro's reaction to his narrow defeat in Brazil's national election the previous Sunday. Would he or wouldn't he (claim fraud and refuse to concede)?
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The suspense finally came to an end on Tuesday afternoon. Looking deflated, Bolsonaro appeared before the press at his official residence in Brasília...I’ve always played by the rules,” he said. “As president and as a citizen, I’ll continue to follow our constitution.” Within two minutes, the usually attention-hungry president was out of sight. Although Bolsonaro stopped short of conceding defeat or congratulating Lula, the implication was clear. Unlike Trump, he would not attempt to stay in power. His chief of staff soon confirmed that “President Bolsonaro has authorized me … to start the transition process.” The Atlantic link
My reaction was, this vividly illustrated one key difference between Bolsonaro and donald trump. trump is mentally ill and Bolsonaro is not. Bolsonaro is angry over his loss, wishes he won, feels so lousy to have lost, but it is what it is. trump's mental illness prevents him from connecting those dots. He just can't do it.
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This is from The Atlantic, published Friday. About the suspense over Brazil president Jair Bolsonaro's reaction to his narrow defeat in Brazil's national election the previous Sunday. Would he or wouldn't he (claim fraud and refuse to concede)?


My reaction was, this vividly illustrated one key difference between Bolsonaro and donald trump. trump is mentally ill and Bolsonaro is not. Bolsonaro is angry over his loss, wishes he won, feels so lousy to have lost, but it is what it is. trump's mental illness prevents him from connecting those dots. He just can't do it.
I agree. Anyone who can't see that Trump is mentally ill is either stupid or willfully blind (which is just another degree of stupid).
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trump's continued blathering about the 2020 election having been stolen has really damaged our democracy. From CBS News:
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Over half of all Republican midterm candidates running for federal and statewide office have raised unfounded doubts about the validity or integrity of the 2020 election results, and according to CBS News' analysis, all of the states but two — Rhode Island and North Dakota — have a candidate on the the ballot who is an "election denier," that is, who denies the results of the 2020 election were valid. Among the 597 GOP candidates running for state or federal office this November, 308 have raised unfounded doubts about the results of the 2020 election. CBS News link

Calling into question the basic fairness of our elections is undermining American democracy in a way never seen before. This is all on trump. He just won't stop. He's had advisers, his attorney general, even some family members, tell him they don't see any evidence the election was "rigged." But trump keeps right on going. Can he not see the way he is damaging our democratic system? No he can't because, as we were warned 250 pages and upwards of 10,000 posts ago, he doesn't process things in a normal way. He's m-e-n-t-a-l-l-y i-l-l.

We're right back where we were when this thread began five and a half years ago:
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Donald Trump has a “dangerous mental illness” and is not fit to lead the US, a group of psychiatrists has warned during a conference at Yale University. Mental health experts claimed the President was “paranoid and delusional”, and said it was their “ethical responsibility” to warn the American public about the “dangers” Mr Trump’s psychological state poses to the country.
Now it's happening.
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trump's continued blathering about the 2020 election having been stolen has really damaged our democracy. From CBS News:



Calling into question the basic fairness of our elections is undermining American democracy in a way never seen before. This is all on trump. He just won't stop. He's had advisers, his attorney general, even some family members, tell him they don't see any evidence the election was "rigged." But trump keeps right on going. Can he not see the way he is damaging our democratic system? No he can't because, as we were warned 250 pages and upwards of 10,000 posts ago, he doesn't process things in a normal way. He's m-e-n-t-a-l-l-y i-l-l.

We're right back where we were when this thread began five and a half years ago:


Now it's happening.
I think future history books will compare the Trump years (in and out of office) to the mass delusions and hysteria suffered in Salem and during the Witch Trials. It's just as crazy.
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Most seem to agree that he's crazy, and to agree that he's dangerous. But we can't make the connection without a dot between the dots.

Maybe we can pride ourselves on being strict empiricists, and like Hume observe that when a fox chases a rabbit it does not cause it, but I wonder if perhaps we're missing something.

At some point, might it be possible that the isolated inctances we see now - flushing documents down the toilet, fake magazine covers, theft, riot, demanding that agencies cook up explicit lies, drawing childish fantasies on a weather map, windmill cancer, pussy-grabbing etc., etc., will coalesce at some later date? Might there come a time when, from the distance of history, we realize that it was a dot all along?
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Old 8th November 2022, 02:23 AM   #2224
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There is more information available on Trump's long-term behaviors and thinking for psychiatrists to examine than they normally get from a person before they diagnose them.
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At this point, anyone who would claim that a psychiatrist can make no diagnosis of this most public figure unless sitting down in an in-person interview is willfully delusional.
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I have commented before that Trump is in a position, which he created, that denies him mentally healing interactions with others.

One case in point being that most folks, upon losing an election, have friends and family who help mollify the loss. Some leaders are so well liked and so deserving of respect that their opponents come by and thank them for their service!

They are told:

"The voters didn't see what a great guy you are, boss!"

"Hell, who needs the job anyway?"

"Go play golf. The job will take ten years off your life, anyway."

"Screw 'em. You're still one hell of a good man!"

"In a year they'll wish they had you back!"

My sense is that Trump never got any of this sort of thing after the election. . .and rarely got such in his younger years!

He can't be mentally healthy. He may not be "clinical", but he still ain't right in the head.
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I have commented before that Trump is in a position, which he created, that denies him mentally healing interactions with others.

One case in point being that most folks, upon losing an election, have friends and family who help mollify the loss. Some leaders are so well liked and so deserving of respect that their opponents come by and thank them for their service!

They are told:

"The voters didn't see what a great guy you are, boss!"

"Hell, who needs the job anyway?"

"Go play golf. The job will take ten years off your life, anyway."

"Screw 'em. You're still one hell of a good man!"

"In a year they'll wish they had you back!"

My sense is that Trump never got any of this sort of thing after the election. . .and rarely got such in his younger years!

He can't be mentally healthy. He may not be "clinical", but he still ain't right in the head.
Oh, he's clinical. WAY clinical.
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Oh, he's clinical. WAY clinical.
Let's see if he starts yelling "vote fraud".
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Some time back, North Korea released a story that Kim Jong-il scored an 18 on his first outing on a golf course.

I wonder what would have happened if North Korea’s lunatic told America’s lunatic “the first time I played golf I scored 18. Yep eighteen holes-in-one.”
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Some time back, North Korea released a story that Kim Jong-il scored an 18 on his first outing on a golf course.

I wonder what would have happened if North Korea’s lunatic told America’s lunatic “the first time I played golf I scored 18. Yep eighteen holes-in-one.”
Trump did it in 17!
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True to form DJT is claiming that voting machines in predominately conservative areas of Arizona where not working properly.
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We had a report he is blaming and screeching at Melania for recommending Oz as a "Trump endorsement".
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We had a report he is blaming and screeching at Melania for recommending Oz as a "Trump endorsement".
I suspect that as the media continues to editorialize heaping blame on DJT for the GOP's embarrassing under performance in the midterm elections the former guy will only get more vocal and more surly.

The next step in his plan was to announce his candidacy for 2024 on November 15th. Many around him are said to be urging him to reschedule the announcement. You have to figure he was hoping to follow up a red wave with a triumphant announcement that he's coming back with a vengeance.

God laughs at our plans, Donny.
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In a Firing Line interview I recently watched, Times reporter Maggie Haberman -- the author of "Confidence Man: The Making of Donald Trump and the Breaking of America" -- said that trump is incapable of taking responsibility for anything and will not accept blame. If it works he takes the credit. If it fails it was somebody else. I really believe it is evidence of his illness.
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I think Trump, as far as his popularity goes, is going to end up like Father Coughlin*. One day everybody loves him, but it eventually his shtick gets old and nobody much cares. In Coughlin's case it took almost a decade before everyone had enough.

The difference may be that Couglin didn't, as near as I can tell, go bat shirt crazy.

I think Trump is sliding into a state of narcissistic shock (compounded by senility) from which he will be saved only by a "choke-and-stoke" on a Big Mac.


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I suspect that as the media continues to editorialize heaping blame on DJT for the GOP's embarrassing under performance in the midterm elections the former guy will only get more vocal and more surly.

The next step in his plan was to announce his candidacy for 2024 on November 15th. Many around him are said to be urging him to reschedule the announcement. You have to figure he was hoping to follow up a red wave with a triumphant announcement that he's coming back with a vengeance.

God laughs at our plans, Donny.
But was he?
All I heard was “I’m going to make a very important announcement on Nov 15.”

He pulls that **** all the time. For all we know, his announcement was going to be “I’m going to announce my decision on January 16,” or “I’m going to write a book about how much I hate socialism.”

Two words: attention whore.
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Originally Posted by arayder View Post
I think Trump, as far as his popularity goes, is going to end up like Father Coughlin*. One day everybody loves him, but it eventually his shtick gets old and nobody much cares. In Coughlin's case it took almost a decade before everyone had enough.

The difference may be that Couglin didn't, as near as I can tell, go bat shirt crazy.

I think Trump is sliding into a state of narcissistic shock (compounded by senility) from which he will be saved only by a "choke-and-stoke" on a Big Mac.


*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Coughlin
Yep, people are sick of the Big Lie nonsense. The repudiation of so many election deniers this election shows that. By 2024, he'll be a broken record that nobody listens to anymore except the truly whacko Trump rally cultists.
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How big a hole can this ******* dig?

Trump’s offensive against Ruby Freeman reaches an ugly new level

She has already sued OAN Network and the suit was settled in her favour.

OAN dismissed from election workers’ suit after settlement

If she sues T, there is no way she cannot win.

However, the personal cost to her emotionally must be horrible.
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Occam called: The simplest explanation is probably the best. Trump has senile dementia. He forgets stuff he has been told thousands of times. He re-imagines stuff that never existed. He blurts out ill-thought-out comments at inappropriate times. He forgets who he is with and where he is...

He is becoming Grandpa Simpson.
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How big a hole can this ******* dig?

Trump’s offensive against Ruby Freeman reaches an ugly new level

She has already sued OAN Network and the suit was settled in her favour.

OAN dismissed from election workers’ suit after settlement

If she sues T, there is no way she cannot win.

However, the personal cost to her emotionally must be horrible.
Rudy Freeman needs to sue Trump for malicious libel. She'd win.
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