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The right goes to war against "the woke"

Michael Cohen says Trump is definitely racist:
In the interview, he mentioned several instances in which Trump made remarks that Cohen considered racist, one of them when he was driving with Trump through a predominantly Black Chicago neighborhood and Trump said, "Only the Blacks could live this way."

"I, of course, said to him, 'Well that's not really true,'" Cohen continued. "He goes, 'No, only the Blacks could live this way.'"

After former South African President Nelson Mandela died in 2013, Cohen said, Trump "asked me if I had known of any country that's run by a Black that's not an s---hole."

"And I said, 'Well, how about America?'" Cohen responded. "To which he gave me the proverbial f---you."

Cohen also spoke about Trump's "hatred" for former President Barack Obama. Cohen said the disdain "basically starts and with the fact that he's Black and that he was the first Black president in this country."

And while Cohen said Trump worked to create the public perception that he was not bothered by Obama's ribbing at the 2011 White House Correspondents' Association dinner, Cohen revealed that Trump was quite upset.

"Lester, not only did it bother him, it really irritated him," Cohen said.

Cohen recalled that Trump hired an Obama impersonator to take part in a video with him to mock Obama in 2012. Cohen described the effort as "Project Faux-Bama."

"Of course, you know, the script being written, Obama did not come out looking good in this script," Cohen said. "And this was supposed to go out on Trump's social media platform. It was ultimately decided that it was not a smart move for him to do. And this, of course, was all going on during the birther — 'Birther-gate,' as we'll call it.
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Trump has never forgiven Obama for that tiny little ribbing in 2011. Probably more than Obama being black, it was Obama making a gentle crack at him that bothered Donny the most. It was a WAY smarter person making a joke at Donny's expense, and what's worse, a black man.

Trump's two neurons are permanently fixated in that regard, ever since his psychopath father raised him. He never forgets slights, NEVER forgives slights, and WILL have his revenge over and over in the worst possible way. Donny is a nasty and vindictive piece of work. And a total coward with a case of inferiority complex.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Trump has never forgiven Obama for that tiny little ribbing in 2011. Probably more than Obama being black, it was Obama making a gentle crack at him that bothered Donny the most. It was a WAY smarter person making a joke at Donny's expense, and what's worse, a black man.

Trump's two neurons are permanently fixated in that regard, ever since his psychopath father raised him. He never forgets slights, NEVER forgives slights, and WILL have his revenge over and over in the worst possible way. Donny is a nasty and vindictive piece of work. And a total coward with a case of inferiority complex.
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I 100% agree.

People with Narcissistic Personality Disorder suffer from a deeply ingrained inferiority complex. The narcissism is an overreaction to that sense of inferiority. That's why they can never admit they are wrong.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Trump has never forgiven Obama for that tiny little ribbing in 2011. Probably more than Obama being black, it was Obama making a gentle crack at him that bothered Donny the most. It was a WAY smarter person making a joke at Donny's expense, and what's worse, a black man.

Trump's two neurons are permanently fixated in that regard, ever since his psychopath father raised him. He never forgets slights, NEVER forgives slights, and WILL have his revenge over and over in the worst possible way. Donny is a nasty and vindictive piece of work. And a total coward with a case of inferiority complex.
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He's a Bourbon:

"The Bourbons never forgot anything and never learned anything." - Talleyrand.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Trump has never forgiven Obama for that tiny little ribbing in 2011. Probably more than Obama being black, it was Obama making a gentle crack at him that bothered Donny the most. It was a WAY smarter person making a joke at Donny's expense, and what's worse, a black man.

Trump's two neurons are permanently fixated in that regard, ever since his psychopath father raised him. He never forgets slights, NEVER forgives slights, and WILL have his revenge over and over in the worst possible way. Donny is a nasty and vindictive piece of work. And a total coward with a case of inferiority complex.
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Here's what I don't get though. Trump's father was a really just god awful human being. Total psychopath, racist, sexist etc etc.

But he was at least capable and intelligent. Vile man to be sure but smart, kind of like Nixon but worse.

I could understand why people who like having the quiet part said out loud would be receptive to someone like Fred Trump. Why do people like Donnie? He's a moron! He's barely able to function as an adult and that's only because he has people helping him navigate life!

I don't understand the veneration of the stupid. Even if you're a person with horrific views why on earth would you think the best person to rally behind to implement those views is Mr Man-Woman-Camera?
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Here's what I don't get though. Trump's father was a really just god awful human being. Total psychopath, racist, sexist etc etc.

But he was at least capable and intelligent. Vile man to be sure but smart, kind of like Nixon but worse.

I could understand why people who like having the quiet part said out loud would be receptive to someone like Fred Trump. Why do people like Donnie? He's a moron! He's barely able to function as an adult and that's only because he has people helping him navigate life!

I don't understand the veneration of the stupid. Even if you're a person with horrific views why on earth would you think the best person to rally behind to implement those views is Mr Man-Woman-Camera?
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In the USA, there has been a war on intellectualism going on since at least the mid 1990's. The anti-intellectuals have pretty much won at this point.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Here's what I don't get though. Trump's father was a really just god awful human being. Total psychopath, racist, sexist etc etc.

But he was at least capable and intelligent. Vile man to be sure but smart, kind of like Nixon but worse.

I could understand why people who like having the quiet part said out loud would be receptive to someone like Fred Trump. Why do people like Donnie? He's a moron! He's barely able to function as an adult and that's only because he has people helping him navigate life!

I don't understand the veneration of the stupid. Even if you're a person with horrific views why on earth would you think the best person to rally behind to implement those views is Mr Man-Woman-Camera?
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The people close enough to know how stupid/crazy he is also are (or believe they are) close enough to get a slice of the money/power he has/appears to have. The people too far away to realize how stupid/crazy he is are still able to enjoy whatever illusions of him they project upon him. Both sets believe they are getting something out of him, and for a subset of each set they actually are getting something. Whether it's worth it or not would need to be reviewed at the individual case level.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Here's what I don't get though. Trump's father was a really just god awful human being. Total psychopath, racist, sexist etc etc.

But he was at least capable and intelligent. Vile man to be sure but smart, kind of like Nixon but worse.

I could understand why people who like having the quiet part said out loud would be receptive to someone like Fred Trump. Why do people like Donnie? He's a moron! He's barely able to function as an adult and that's only because he has people helping him navigate life!

I don't understand the veneration of the stupid. Even if you're a person with horrific views why on earth would you think the best person to rally behind to implement those views is Mr Man-Woman-Camera?
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To answer your question, he's easy to scam off of. Nothing a scam-artist likes to see more than a stupid scam-artist.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
To answer your question, he's easy to scam off of. Nothing a scam-artist likes to see more than a stupid scam-artist.
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"Mr Trump! You need this new invention of mine! It's a coating for mirrors to protect them from the wear-and-tear of reflecting the sheer awesomeness of great men! Ordinary people don't have that problem, but have you seen your mirrors? Every time you pass one it loses a percentage of its structural stability! It's like you radiate greatness! But for only $4999.99 per mirror I can apply a coating that will allow your mirrors to do you the justice you have earned!"
 
TragicMonkey said:
"Mr Trump! You need this new invention of mine! It's a coating for mirrors to protect them from the wear-and-tear of reflecting the sheer awesomeness of great men! Ordinary people don't have that problem, but have you seen your mirrors? Every time you pass one it loses a percentage of its structural stability! It's like you radiate greatness! But for only $4999.99 per mirror I can apply a coating that will allow your mirrors to do you the justice you have earned!"
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He might want it, but he personally would never pay. He'd take delivery and then bilk you, or have the GOP pay. ;)
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Here's what I don't get though. Trump's father was a really just god awful human being. Total psychopath, racist, sexist etc etc.

But he was at least capable and intelligent. Vile man to be sure but smart, kind of like Nixon but worse.

I could understand why people who like having the quiet part said out loud would be receptive to someone like Fred Trump. Why do people like Donnie? He's a moron! He's barely able to function as an adult and that's only because he has people helping him navigate life!

I don't understand the veneration of the stupid. Even if you're a person with horrific views why on earth would you think the best person to rally behind to implement those views is Mr Man-Woman-Camera?
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Stupid seldom recognizes stupid as being stupid. Stupid sees stupid as smart.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Here's what I don't get though. Trump's father was a really just god awful human being. Total psychopath, racist, sexist etc etc.

But he was at least capable and intelligent. Vile man to be sure but smart, kind of like Nixon but worse.

I could understand why people who like having the quiet part said out loud would be receptive to someone like Fred Trump. Why do people like Donnie? He's a moron! He's barely able to function as an adult and that's only because he has people helping him navigate life!

I don't understand the veneration of the stupid. Even if you're a person with horrific views why on earth would you think the best person to rally behind to implement those views is Mr Man-Woman-Camera?
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Because they have been brainwashed into believing that the Democrats are the greatest threat to mankind. It's not just about liking the Republicans, it's that many feel they have no other choice.

Years and years of demonizing the other side. And by the way if you mention "man, woman, camera" to any Republican outside this forum nobody will know what you are talking about.

This is why the Republicans are getting away with whatever they want. It is why people can ignore the "bad stuff" from their party. It explains all of it.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Here's what I don't get though. Trump's father was a really just god awful human being. Total psychopath, racist, sexist etc etc.

But he was at least capable and intelligent. Vile man to be sure but smart, kind of like Nixon but worse.

I could understand why people who like having the quiet part said out loud would be receptive to someone like Fred Trump. Why do people like Donnie? He's a moron! He's barely able to function as an adult and that's only because he has people helping him navigate life!
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Whereas Fred had at least some smarts, these people are Donny's "smarts". Donny doesn't need to think of how to claw his way to the top or hit his rivals. These people do it for him. All these barbed tweets and lawyering tricks and scummy scams of Trump's are not any of his ideas. He is so unaccomplished that he couldn't make a sandwich.

Donny also sees these people as heat-shields - able to be burnt off and sacrificed when the heat comes on. E.g. Allen Weisselberg. And that's as far as his caring about them goes.

I don't understand the veneration of the stupid. Even if you're a person with horrific views why on earth would you think the best person to rally behind to implement those views is Mr Man-Woman-Camera?
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Because people believe 110% what they see on TV, and the TV people have known it for years. And smart manipulators like Rupert Murdoch have played Trump like a fiddle.

The second part of the formula is that it is VERY hard to unconvince die-hard fans that their heroes have human foibles andf feet of clay. Or in Trump's case, **** for brains. Skepticism is not innate in the USA. This forum is an exception, not a rule. And while there remain unskeptical drones, there are scammers willing to take advantage of them.
 
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I have to disagree that Trump is incapable of any decent ideas of his own, especially when it comes to enriching himself at others' expense by being underhanded. If you read Michael Cohen's book, he describes how Trump manipulates situations. One such example was how he ended up getting his building painted with free paint by cheating a contractor. Another is how he got himself included in the Forbes list of the richest men when he wasn't rich enough to qualify.
 
Stacyhs said:
I have to disagree that Trump is incapable of any decent ideas of his own, especially when it comes to enriching himself at others' expense by being underhanded. If you read Michael Cohen's book, he describes how Trump manipulates situations. One such example was how he ended up getting his building painted with free paint by cheating a contractor. Another is how he got himself included in the Forbes list of the richest men when he wasn't rich enough to qualify.
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Those are both ideas "ingrained" by has psychopath father, and executed by flunkies.

You know more than most that Trump's path through life is strewn with contractors who he has bilked on paying. It's what he does as a matter of course, how he "plays the game". And it's a play straight out of Fred's playbook, which Donny learned at a young age. You can just about hear Trump Sr. saying to the wide-eyed little thief Trump Jr., "Don't pay 'em up front. And when the job is finished, tell them to sue if they want their money. They know it would cost more than taking the loss, so you get the job done for free!"

As for the Forbes thing, it is one of his many exercise in self-promotion. That started famously with the NYC ice-rink caper - taking credit for something he never did (sound familiar?). Again, he has flunkies who think up these ideas, tell him about them, and he expects it to be done.

Flunky: Sir, you could increase your popularity by riding down an elevator to make your announcement!

DJT: Do we have an elevator?

Flunky: Yes, sir! One in Trump Tower foyer would look good.

DJT: OK, make that happen. And invite all the press. And rent-a-crowds.

Flunky: Yes, sir! On it, sir!
 
Stacyhs said:
I have to disagree that Trump is incapable of any decent ideas of his own, especially when it comes to enriching himself at others' expense by being underhanded. If you read Michael Cohen's book, he describes how Trump manipulates situations. One such example was how he ended up getting his building painted with free paint by cheating a contractor. Another is how he got himself included in the Forbes list of the richest men when he wasn't rich enough to qualify.
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But look at his business history, every time he struck out on his own has been a disaster. It's only when others have come to him with fully formed business ideas that he's only had to put his image to that he's ever made money in his life, so much so that his company is now solely involved in renting out his name to others. The time to pull your investment out of a Trump branded enterprise is when he decides to become involved.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
But look at his business history, every time he struck out on his own has been a disaster. It's only when others have come to him with fully formed business ideas that he's only had to put his image to that he's ever made money in his life, so much so that his company is now solely involved in renting out his name to others. The time to pull your investment out of a Trump branded enterprise is when he decides to become involved.
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That's comparing apples to oranges. I never said he was a good businessman. Trump's businesses don't do well because those takes consistent competent managing, but my post said I disagreed that he never had any decent ideas when it comes to enriching himself by underhanded means and manipulating situations. Getting his golf resort painted with free paint was a situation he manipulated.
 
I’m not sure that being a brazen liar and cheat is an indicator of ingenuity. Refusing to pay someone for their work isn’t some out-of-the-box amazing idea. It’s just dishonest. Dishonesty doesn’t take a lot of creativity or imagination to employ, just a lack of morals and ethics.
 
That's why the Right is doing everything it can do right now to make "Making the system more fair" sound like it's just making it unfair to them.

"I can't win unless I can cheat, therefore if you won't let me cheat it the exact same thing as you not wanting me to win" is 99% of their complaining these days.
 
ahhell said:
It is in fact a human right to be wrong in politics.

Again, you ignore reality. You act like just telling someone they're evil will change their mind.

You keep saying the same thing over and over again.

A. RACIST!
B. Hmm, I don't think I'm a racist.
A. RACIST!
B. Whatever, I'm out.

Then there's the assumption that folks vote for Trump becasue he's a racist, which leads me to think that you must therefore believe that people voted for Biden because he's senile old liar.
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Yes racism is impossible to address and should be universally ignored. To do otherwise would be rude.
 
Stacyhs said:
That's comparing apples to oranges. I never said he was a good businessman. Trump's businesses don't do well because those takes consistent competent managing, but my post said I disagreed that he never had any decent ideas when it comes to enriching himself by underhanded means and manipulating situations. Getting his golf resort painted with free paint was a situation he manipulated.
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And if you read my point properly you'd see that I was saying that from his business dealings Trump is incapable, through stupidity, of making decisions that would benefit him financially. The only time Trump ever made money in his life is when somebody proposed a scheme to him and then carried it out under his name. He just got lucky that in the early days his father had surrounded him with more intelligent grifters.
 
Again that's why you can tell the Right doesn't actually believe its own nonsense.

If Trump really was an actual tough guy or an actual cut throat businessman that would be one thing but Trump's a man who can't make money off a casino, a business that is literally 100% describable as "People you give you money, you give some of it back to them."

Yeah all talk this "Look I'm just keeping it real, **** your feeling snowflake, real men of action" talk but then pick people like Trump and DeSantis and Soros, wussy little cowards who can't stand up to a strong breeze.

Ain't none of them Eisenhower.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
And if you read my point properly you'd see that I was saying that from his business dealings Trump is incapable, through stupidity, of making decisions that would benefit him financially. The only time Trump ever made money in his life is when somebody proposed a scheme to him and then carried it out under his name. He just got lucky that in the early days his father had surrounded him with more intelligent grifters.
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I did read your post "properly". Your entire post is based on nothing but personal opinions that you declare as facts. You claim to know things that you simply cannot know. How do you know that 'it was always others who proposed his schemes'? Where you there? Did getting free paint benefit him financially? Yes. And there are other examples in Cohen's book. Maybe you should try reading it.
 
There are some members who see any comment on Trump that is not 100% negative or that doesn't support the opinion that he's a drooling imbecile incapable of chewing his own food as somehow supporting him. It's not. He's a despicable and disgusting POS, but he is not the one-dimensional, simple caricature that some of want to portray him as. Stop getting your knickers all in a twist when anyone dares to express an opinion that doesn't agree with your simple version of him. Sheesh.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
But look at his business history, every time he struck out on his own has been a disaster. It's only when others have come to him with fully formed business ideas that he's only had to put his image to that he's ever made money in his life, so much so that his company is now solely involved in renting out his name to others. The time to pull your investment out of a Trump branded enterprise is when he decides to become involved.
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Trump lost money running a casino. It takes a specail kind of stupid for that.
 
Stacyhs said:
There are some members who see any comment on Trump that is not 100% negative or that doesn't support the opinion that he's a drooling imbecile incapable of chewing his own food as somehow supporting him. It's not.
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No, that's essentially straw-manning, although I expect you did not mean to do that. Donny has precious few positive attributes at all.


He's a despicable and disgusting POS, but he is not the one-dimensional, simple caricature that some of want to portray him as. Stop getting your knickers all in a twist when anyone dares to express an opinion that doesn't agree with your simple version of him. Sheesh.
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He's not one-dimensional in that he is not eat-sleep-golf-crime all the time. He has foibles and likes and dislikes, and he is not all the time looking for some crime to commit. But he is far from the most intellectual of people. The childish behaviour he exhibits is indeed an indicator of his range of interests: If you think of what a five-year-old is interested in and how they think, that's Donny.

It's also a mistake to ascribe to him any "evil criminal genius"capability. He has been programmed from a very young age to be simply evil because he has no concept of what it is to be "not evil". Rules mean nothing, not because he knows them and wants to break them, but because he does NOT know them and is not aware when he does break them. Any thought-through processes he engages in are utterly predictable and self-centred and clueless. So they negatively affect others but he doesn't give a crap, hence "evil".

He's a VERY damaged unit psychologically, as you know. The "genius" part is provided by others who are indeed smart people. With five-year-old thinking, "genius" he is not.
 
Drumpf is the perfect answer to anyone who would ever say, "It can't happen here." If such a creature can rise to the heights this thing did, and get as close to ending democracy as it did, the country is wide open for even a barely competent malign actor, let alone a sophisticated one.

I don't see that the country is truly awake to the danger, even after this first crack at it. Two years plus have gone by, and not a move or a peep from the DoJ against other than the boots. Talk about encouragement to consider Jan 6 as a practice run.
 
Lurch said:
I don't see that the country is truly awake to the danger, even after this first crack at it. Two years plus have gone by, and not a move or a peep from the DoJ against other than the boots. Talk about encouragement to consider Jan 6 as a practice run.
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I would have to agree. There are too many people who believe January 6 was not a coup attempt but a peaceful protest. My brother and his wife had to have a difficult conversation with our mother who was saying she did not think any police died at January 6th. My mother listens to conservative news constantly (Fox News definitely) and she has followed Breitbart for many years. I have a lot of other conservative relatives who believe the same.
 
Stacyhs said:
Fine. You go ahead and believe EVERY Republican is racist if it makes you feel better. It pairs well with EVERY Democrat is a socialist-communist.
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Racism is not universal it is just not something that bothers them much in a candidate. But hey remember nazis are fine people to republicans.
 
Some Republicans are fine to support and associate with racists so long as rich people get more money. How could anyone decry that?

It would be like blaming the cops and calling them bad cops for merely covering up an associates missdeeds
 
TheGoldcountry said:
I get that sarcasm is tough on the Internet, but I can't believe you took it that way.

I was mocking the type of Republican autumn was referring to. I know many people (and unfortunately a nephew) who will say "How can there still be racism? Lincoln freed the slaves! They have the right to vote!" yet also think the Civil War was about "states' rights" and the Federal Govt. overstepped it's bounds in the 60's by enforcing civil rights.

Basically, there's no racism, and the government is bad for trying to get rid of this non-existent problem. Republicans should get credit for ending slavery, but the South wasn't racist and just wanted freedom.
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Ahhh, but Republicans aren't the same species of animal as they were in Lincoln's time.
 
Nosi said:
Ahhh, but Republicans aren't the same species of animal as they were in Lincoln's time.
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....or even Eisenhower's or Nixon's time.

Trumpism is the result of a progression which started with Reagan courting the fundamentalist Christian vote. Unfortunately, Trumpism may not be the conclusion, the GOP may have a long way to go yet. :(
 
The Don said:
....or even Eisenhower's or Nixon's time.

Trumpism is the result of a progression which started with Reagan courting the fundamentalist Christian vote. Unfortunately, Trumpism may not be the conclusion, the GOP may have a long way to go yet. :(
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Goldwater implemented the strategy of courting fundamentalist christians. In 1964.
 
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