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Are you ready for another Trump Presidency?

You do understand how certain ideas, no matter how silly, become part of a narrative, right? Concern trolling over Biden's age is what makes his age an issue for people.
 
Trump is 77 and Biden is 80 and when you're that old 3 years doesn't make a difference.

Not one single person is honestly and truly picking one over the other because of age and any who says they are voting for Trump over Biden because Biden is too old is a lying liar lying lies full of lied lies because they are a liar who lies.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Trump is 77 and Biden is 80 and when you're that old 3 years doesn't make a difference.

Not one single person is honestly and truly picking one over the other because of age and any who says they are voting for Trump over Biden because Biden is too old is a lying liar lying lies full of lied lies because they are a liar who lies.
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Donal said:
You do understand how certain ideas, no matter how silly, become part of a narrative, right? Concern trolling over Biden's age is what makes his age an issue for people.
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Im not concerned about Biden's age, per se. Im concerned that he seems to have suffered some loss of cognitive ability. I fear this will show up in the debates and we will be in trouble. Does this relate to his age? Yes. Is it possible to be Biden's age and be sharp as a knife? Yes.

Do I want a 70 year old limitation on candidates for President? Yes.
 
I still maintain a second Trump Presidency will lead quickly to a second Civil War.
He will try to make himself dictator for life.
 
Hercules56 said:
Who do you see starting this civil war?
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Trump will begin rounding up his political opponents and cracking down on ioppostion. this will lead to violence in the streets and Trump will attempt martial law. This will lead to armed resistence, and you have a Civil War.
 
dudalb said:
Trump will begin rounding up his political opponents and cracking down on ioppostion. this will lead to violence in the streets and Trump will attempt martial law. This will lead to armed resistence, and you have a Civil War.
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I don't think any law enforcement personnel would comply with such an illegal order. More likely such an order would lead to Trump's arrest.
 
Hercules56 said:
Im not concerned about Biden's age, per se.
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Yes, I know. Hence "concern trolling".

Im concerned that he seems to have suffered some loss of cognitive ability. I fear this will show up in the debates and we will be in trouble. Does this relate to his age? Yes. Is it possible to be Biden's age and be sharp as a knife? Yes.

Do I want a 70 year old limitation on candidates for President? Yes.
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Have you ever actually heard Trump speak? The only people bringing up Biden's age or cognitive ability as if he somehow more feeble than Trump are looking for an excuse to vote for Trump.
 
Hercules56 said:
I don't think any law enforcement personnel would comply with such an illegal order. More likely such an order would lead to Trump's arrest.
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I am no cop hater or a member of the ACAB club,but you are wrong,wrong,wrong.
 
Hercules56 said:
His staff refused to allow him to engage in any form of martial law. I suspect that would happen again.
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GOd,you have not been paying attention, have you?
if elected, Trump will appoint toadies whose only loyalty is to Trump and will do whatever he says. Notice how many Ex Trump Staff are saying electing Trump would be catostrophic for that very reason: He will be totally out of control with anybody to restrain him.
Last time Trump felt compelled to appont some more mainstream GOPers to high oosts. This time he will fell no such compulsion. since he thinks that many in the GOP mainstream betrayed him. I amsure many of them are on his round up list.
 
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dudalb said:
GOd,you have not been paying attention, have you?
if elected, Trump will appoint toadies whose only loyalty is to Trump and will do whatever he says....
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Yes, they said this the first time around too.

But seems that for the most part, folks in govt. prefer to follow the law and the Constitution, not the desperate needs of a jackass.

Barr, Pence, Bolton, like literally everyone turned on Trump. They cared more about their oath to the nation.
 
Hercules56 said:
I don't think any law enforcement personnel would comply with such an illegal order. More likely such an order would lead to Trump's arrest.
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The head of the NYPD's Sergeant's union, Ed Mullins, is a QANAON adherent and publicly "declared war" on Bill deBlasio. That is a position elected by union members.

Pat Lynch, president of the patrolman union, endorsed Trump in 2020 and spoke at the RNC. He also pushed anti-vaxx conspiracies. And milkshake conspiracies.
 
Donal said:
The head of the NYPD's Sergeant's union, Ed Mullins, is a QANAON adherent and publicly "declared war" on Bill deBlasio. That is a position elected by union members.

Pat Lynch, president of the patrolman union, endorsed Trump in 2020 and spoke at the RNC. He also pushed anti-vaxx conspiracies. And milkshake conspiracies.
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Ed Mullins is no longer head of the Sergeants Union. He's also in prison. Pat Lynch is no longer head of the Patrolman's Union.

Dude, your sources are very out of touch.
 
Hercules56 said:
Yes, they said this the first time around too.

But seems that for the most part, folks in govt. prefer to follow the law and the Constitution, not the desperate needs of a jackass.

Barr, Pence, Bolton, like literally everyone turned on Trump. They cared more about their oath to the nation.
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No, they cared about covering their asses. Bolton opposed Trump because he wasn't ready to nuke Iran (thank God for small favors).

What happens when he makes Mike Flynn SecDef? Rudy Giuliani AG? Paul Gosar SecState? Republicans have spent decades filling civil service positions that were typically apolitical with acolytes. Even if they are outnumbered among the rank and file, they can still make things bloody and chaotic.
 
Donal said:
No, they cared about covering their asses. Bolton opposed Trump because he wasn't ready to nuke Iran (thank God for small favors).

What happens when he makes Mike Flynn SecDef? Rudy Giuliani AG? Paul Gosar SecState? Republicans have spent decades filling civil service positions that were typically apolitical with acolytes. Even if they are outnumbered among the rank and file, they can still make things bloody and chaotic.
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We can prevent all this by getting a better candidate for president. Trump has been indicted four times, supported an insurrection, and he is still a neck and neck with our candidate???? WTF. Trump should be trailing by at least 10 points.
 
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Hercules56 said:
Ed Mullins is no longer head of the Sergeants Union. He's also in prison. Pat Lynch is no longer head of the Patrolman's Union.

Dude, your sources are very out of touch.
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They still hold influence. Patrick Hendry took over the PBA in July and he was Lynch's consigliere. The only difference between him and Lynch is he so far has kept the volume down. He still says authoritarian **** out loud.

Mullins had to step down because of his well known corruption. They didn't care. They kept electing him because he said what they wanted to hear. and his successor spouts the same rhetoric.

Again, elected positions.
 
Hercules56 said:
We can prevent all this by getting a better candidate for president. Trump has been indicted four times, supported an insurrection, and he is still a neck and neck with our candidate???? WTF. Trump should be trailing by at least 10 points.
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You could run Jesus H Christ and George Washington as His VP and it wouldn't matter.
 
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dudalb said:
I still maintain a second Trump Presidency will lead quickly to a second Civil War.
He will try to make himself dictator for life.
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I think there could be riots and communal violence at least.

I'm seriously considering going gun-nut like many rightwingers did after Obama was elected.
 
Hercules56 said:
I don't think any law enforcement personnel would comply with such an illegal order. More likely such an order would lead to Trump's arrest.
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Bahahahaha Well you've obviously not been watching the police in America in the last...forever.
 
Venom said:
I think there could be riots and communal violence at least.

I'm seriously considering going gun-nut like many rightwingers did after Obama was elected.
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I brought my shotgun over to my girlfriend's (now wife's) house on January 6.
 
dudalb said:
Trump will begin rounding up his political opponents and cracking down on ioppostion. this will lead to violence in the streets and Trump will attempt martial law. This will lead to armed resistence, and you have a Civil War.
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^^THIS^^

I predicted in 2020 that if Trump did not lose the election in a landslide (he didn't) that he would never concede and that it would further divide the country into very distinct and angry camps. That is exactly what happened.

There is zero doubt in my mind that T is mentally ill and dangerously so. If he wins again, there will be no stopping him. His coalition of Qanon, religious right, racists, misogynists, etc will feel immensely emboldened and it will lead to the end of democracy. We will have a deFacto dictator. And I will seriously be concerned that his supporters will send goons out into the field to frame and punish literally everyone who has said anything publicly disparaging about the Great Leader. So, it will either be flee the country or stay to fight; hopefully the fight will be one of secession of one or several states but it could be all out civil war.

The only hopes are 1)T dies beforehand (although this could lead to someone worse) 2) A prison sentence convinces enough moderates it aint worth voting for him simply to spite the libs.

I am trying to be optimistic, so I would like to think the polls are underestimating the contempt for Trump. I would like to think that some of the otherwise intelligent people who support him in the polls are just doing so to appease their trump-loving friends and family, and when it comes time to actually vote their conscience will not allow them to destroy the nation. But I could be wrong.
 
Its clear we all think Trump being President again would be a terrible thing.

I am concerned that Biden is not the best candidate to try to beat him. Its definitely not too late to choose someone better.
 
Hercules56 said:
It is my personal opinion that Biden appears to be less neurologically sharp than Trump. You are of course free to disagree. But it seems a lot of people out there believe Biden is too old to be president.

However I also do believe that Biden's political and social views are much better for this country and he would still make a much better president, regardless of his neurological and cognitive failures. I can look beyond these things but I fear a lot of Americans will not be able to. :(
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Doesn't matter one iota.

Trump is, and always has been, a moron. Now he is an old shuffling moron who can barely hit a golf ball. All of Trump's "great political thinking", and most of his public pronouncements, is being done by much smarter, much younger fascist egg-head crazies. As it always was. J6 was never Trump's idea - it was those lunatics Navarro and Giuliani. Trump just went along with it because it sounded good to him. Because for Trump, it's all about him, that's all.

So it is not going to matter if Trump has gone completely mad and is detained permanently in a facility where he spends his last days painting the walls with his own faeces (rather than ketchup), and dreaming of when he was great, and drooling on himself. If the MAGA crowd believe what Trump's fascist megaphones and supporters tell them, that he is alive and well and living in the White House formulating brilliant plans to "make America great again!", that is all that is required to run a campaign.

The problem is not that Trump is an old fascist blockhead who couldn't run a bath let alone a country. It's that many Americans have zero critical thinking skills and still believe the advertising he is their saviour.
 
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Hercules56 said:
Its clear we all think Trump being President again would be a terrible thing.

I am concerned that Biden is not the best candidate to try to beat him. Its definitely not too late to choose someone better.
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And the leading alternatives aren't great. I like Newsome's aggression, but I am afraid California's reputation may sink him. Harris can't do it. I don't believe in her. We may need an Obama-type charismatic newcomer.
 
Venom said:
And the leading alternatives aren't great. I like Newsome's aggression, but I am afraid California's reputation may sink him. Harris can't do it. I don't believe in her. We may need an Obama-type charismatic newcomer.
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I think Newsom would be a great chance for the Dems. They could just claim that the failings of California are a right-wing conspiracy (like they do with everything else). Besides, there are some successes that can be pointed to in California.

He's also got good hair, is somewhat well spoken (at least compared to Trump, Biden and Harris), and he's young.

I'm not really that familiar with who else might be available from the Dem's pool, but I think they'd be much better off with Newsom than with Biden or Harris.
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
Particularly if the Republicans win control of both the House and the Senate and can therefore easily change voting laws.
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The senate does not run elections. As far as the presidency goes, the states have to produce electors and go through certifying them. The federal government has nothing to do with it really. That is why Trump could not seize voting mschines.
 
What scares me the most is Dem voter apathy. I think that is what gave Trump the WH in 2016. The polls all said that she was a sure thing and some people just didn't bother to vote due to complacency. That coupled with those Dems/Indies who just didn't like her so wrote in Bernie or some other person got us Trump and all that followed.

Trump could not win if Dems/Indies come out in the numbers they did in 2020.
 
Polls this far out need to be taken with a ton of salt.
ALos the ones just giving overall pecentages mean crap anyway. It ionly when they are broken down they mean anything.
 
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