What Really Happened on 9/11?

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Witnesses Report Bombs/Explosions In The WTC

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Firemen recall "detonations" in South Tower:

fireman2: We made it outside, we made it about a block.
fireman1: We made it at least 2 blocks.
fireman2: 2 blocks.
fireman1: and we started runnin'
fireman2: poch-poch-poch-poch-poch-poch-poch
fireman1: Floor by floor it started poppin' out ..
fireman2: It was as if as if they had detonated, det..
fireman1: yea detonated yea
fireman2: as if they had planned to take down a building,
boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom ...
fireman1: All the way down, I was watchin it, and runnin'

(60 second video clip):
http://911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/discussion_in_firehouse.mpg

From THE NEW YORK TIMES:

Assistant Fire Commissioner: "I thought . . . before . . . No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. . . . I . . . saw a flash flash flash . . . [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they . . . blow up a building. . . ?”

Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Gregory_Stephen.txt

NYC firefighter: “It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit. . . [W]e originally had thought there was like an internal detonation, explosives, because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.”

Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Cachia_Edward.txt

From The San Francisco Chronicle / SFGate.com:

Captain of Emergency Medical Services: "somewhere around the middle of the world trade center there was this orange and red flash coming out ... initially it was just one flash then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode ... and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides ... as far as could see these popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger going both up and down and then all around the building"

Source:
http://sfgate.com/gate/pictures/2005/09/10/ga_karin_deshore.pdf

Member of the FDNY:
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FDNY Firefighter:
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MSNBC Reporter:
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  • "At 10:30 I tried to leave the building, but as I got outside I heard a second explosion and another rumble and more smoke and more dust. I ran inside the building and the chandelier shook and again black smoke filled the air. Within another five minutes we were covered again with more soot and more dust. And then a fire marshal came in and said we had to leave, because if there was a third explosion this building might not last.."

    Video: http://www.terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.ann.thompson.intermediate.explosions.wmv

Reporter:
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NBC reporter Pat Dawson
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Eye-witness:
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Eye-witness:
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September 12, 2001, New York City, People.com

Louie Cacchioli, 51, is a firefighter assigned to Engine 47 in Harlem.

We were the first ones in the second tower after the plane struck. I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there was bombs set in the building...



Source:
http://prisonplanet.com/louie_cacchioli.htm
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Terror in the City, September 12 , 2001, Notes from Robert Ivy, FAIA Editor-in-chief

...we felt a rumble like faraway thunder and turned. The impossible was happening. The south tower of the World Trade Center shook, and in what resembled an elemental act, fell to earth in a mighty shout. The entire dissolution, the changeover from solid elements to ash, took only seconds, and it was gone...

http://www.archrecord.com/news/fromTheField/archives/0109terror.asp
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An Eye-Witness Account of the World Trade Center Attacks
from Neil deGrasse Tyson

The following is the text from an email Neil deGrasse Tyson sent to his family and friends on 12 September 2001. Neil witnessed the attacks on the twin towers from his apartment only six blocks from the World Trade Center. He is Director of the Hayden Planetarium of the American Museum of Natural History, which is located in New York City. Neil also serves as The Planetary Society's Vice President...

From: Neil deGrasse Tyson
Sent: 10AM, Wednesday, 12 September 2001
Subject: The Horror, The Horror

...4) As more and more and more and more and more emergency vehicles descended on the World Trade Center, I hear a second explosion in WTC 2, then a loud, low-frequency rumble that precipitates the unthinkable -- a collapse of all the floors above the point of explosion. First the top surface, containing the helipad, tips sideways in full view. Then the upper floors fall straight down in a demolition-style implosion, taking all lower floors with it, even those below the point of the explosion...

...6) I decide it's time to get my daughter, who was taken by the parents of a friend of hers to a small office building, six blocks farther from the WTC than my apartment. As I dress for survival: boots, flashlight, wet towels, swimming goggles, bicycle helmet, gloves, I hear another explosion followed by a now all-too familiar rumble that signaled the collapse of WTC 1, the first of the two towers to have been hit. I saw the iconic antenna on this building descend straight down in an implosion twinning the first...
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Tuesday, 11 September, 2001, Eyewitnesses tell of horror, BBC News

"...I saw everything from my balcony in Soho. The first plane tried to veer off the tower but slammed straight into it, followed by the second plane," Nadine Keller of New York City wrote in an e-mail to BBC News Online.

"There was smoke everywhere. I heard the bomb and saw both buildings crumble like biscuits," Ms Keller said.

The BBC received more than 1,300 e-mails from witnesses and other concerned readers within the first few hours after the attack.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1537500.stm
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9/11 Survivor Describes Multiple Explosions

"There were explosions going off everywhere. I was convinced that there were bombs planted all over the place and someone was sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons. I was afraid to go down Church Street toward Broadway, but I had to do it. I ended up on Vesey Street. There was another explosion. And another. I didn't know where to run."

Source: "Teresa Veliz: A Prayer to Die Quickly and Painlessly," in September 11: An Oral History by Dean E. Murphy (Doubleday, 2002), pp 9-15. http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/veliz-bombs.htm
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CBS News Channel Eyewitness Describes 'Secondary Explosions' in WTC:
The following clips originate from CBS Channel 2 in New York. The reporter is in a helicopter as the WTC Towers collapse:
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/april2004/042704secondaryexplosions.htm
 
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Video Proof Of Explosions At The WTC

The video clip below was shot by a hand-held camera of the South Tower's collapse. Watch closely as the collapse travels downward you'll see an explosion squib eject vertically from the tower approx 10 floors below the point of collapse. This squib is located near what looks like a 'Stripe' on the tower:
http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video archive/south_2.avi


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This video shows a squib eject from the South Tower approx 50-floors below the point of collapse:
http://tinyurl.com/7dkv3

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This reporter's video was shot just before and during the collapse of the South Tower:
http://terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem4/911.wtc.2.demoltion.west.below.wmv

Various video clips of the collapses:

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http://images.indymedia.org/imc/ontario/wtc-2_demolition_waves.mpg

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video archive/south_2.mpg

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video archive/010912 - 3rd clip.avi

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video archive/010912 - 3rd clip.mpg

http://terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem10/911.wtc.2.demolition.south.chopper (divx 5.1).avi

Detonation squibs seen during the collapse of the North Tower:
http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/north_tower_collapse.mpeg

quicktime video of squibs ejecting vertically as the North Tower collapses above them:
http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/squibs_and_streamers.mov

In this clip a tripod mounted camera shakes approx 10 seconds before the North Tower collapses. During the camera shake, an object or person can be seen falling from the right side of the tower. Could the shake of the camera and the object falling from the tower be a result of an explosion coming from the building?:
http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/n_tower_1st24.mpg

Unfortunately, all of the debris from the collapses at ground zero was quickly removed, destroyed and shipped off to places like China and Korea before forensic examination could be performed. Why?
Firefighter Mag Raps 9/11 Probe,By JOE CALDERONE Daily News Chief of Investigations, Friday, January 04, 2002

A respected firefighting trade magazine with ties to the city Fire Department is calling for a "full-throttle, fully resourced" investigation into the collapse of the World Trade Center.

A signed editorial in the January issue of Fire Engineering magazine says the current investigation is "a half-baked farce."

The piece by Bill Manning, editor of the 125-year-old monthly that frequently publishes technical studies of major fires, also says the steel from the site should be preserved so investigators can examine what caused the collapse. "Did they throw away the locked doors from the Triangle Shirtwaist fire? Did they throw away the gas can used at the Happy Land social club fire? ... That's what they're doing at the World Trade Center," the editorial says. "The destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately..."

...A growing number of fire protection engineers have theorized that "the structural damage from the planes and the explosive ignition of jet fuel in themselves were not enough to bring down the towers," the editorial stated.

http://www.cam.net.uk/home/Nimmann/peace/explosions.htm
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Since When Do High-rise Buildings Fall Down From Fire?

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    "The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door -- this intense grid -- and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting".

    Frank A. Demartini, on-site construction manager for the World Trade Center, January 25, 2001. Demartini, who had an office on the 88th floor of the North Tower, died on 9/11/2001 in the World Trade Center attack.    (Video of the Demartini interview):
    http://www.freepressinternational.com/wtc_11152004_manager_88888.html
 
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Radio interview with journalist Greg Szymanski, 9/11 hero William Rodriguez and Paul Craig Roberts, former Asst. Sec. of Treasury under Ronald Reagan. During the interview they discuss government complicity in 9/11 and eye-witness accounts of explosions heard at ground zero before and during the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers:
http://66.84.15.37/temp/050627_-_Al...lliam_Rodriguez,_Paul_Craig_Roberts_(911).mp3

The entire interview can be streamed at the link below without having to download it. However, the download version from above doesn't have commercial breaks. The stream below does:
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/270605truthexpose.htm

Before or after 9/11 there has never been a collapse of a high-rise building from fire. However, on 9/11 the collapse of three buildings were blamed on fire.

Towers 1 and 2 collapsed in (approx) ten seconds. Which means they fell at (approx) the same speed as free fall (indicating that there was little or no resistance). Yet the floors themselves were 39" thick and the top 4" was a poured concrete slab that had interlocking vertical steel trusses underneath it.

If there weren't explosives used, this steel would have absorbed much of the kinetic energy as one floor fell onto another causing the 110-story towers to fall slower than ten seconds.



From the 2004 book Waking Up From Our Nightmare
The 9/11/01 Crimes In New York City
by Don Paul and Jim Hoffman
the core of the matter

Construction photographs of the Twin Towers reveal a possible reason FEMA went to such great lengths to hide the existence of the structural cores.

http://www.wtc7.net/store/books/wakingup/samples/docs/p2/site1099c.jpg
This construction photograph of the North Tower shows that the core structures consisted of bundles of columns cross-linked by horizontal and diagonal members.


Each tower's core contained 47 continuous box columns which ran from the bedrock foundations seven stories below street level to near the tops of the Towers, where they transitioned to I-beams. These box-columns measured 36 inches by 16 inches and were fabricated of steel four inches thick near the Towers' bases.

FEMA's report hides and minimizes the core structures whose their existence made the symmetric total collapses of the Towers due to gravity impossible. Even if the collision and fire damage could have induced collapse events, they would have caused the Towers to topple like trees, pivoting about the cores at the impact zones.

Destroying the core columns is key to achieving total building collapse, yet FEMA's long report has only one short passage explaining how the cores self-destructed.
FEMA said:
As the floors collapsed, this left tall freestanding portions of the exterior wall and possibly central core columns. As the unsupported height of these freestanding exterior wall elements increased, they buckled at the bolted column splice connections, and also collapsed.
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Note the legalistic language of ‘ possibly central core columns ’. The authors knew the core columns were not free-standing and would not instantly self-destruct if the floors fell away. Nor were the perimeter columns, stitched together by horizontal spandrell plates, free-standing as the passage implies. By qualifying this key assertion, FEMA's team might have been protecting themselves from possible future prosecution for obstruction of justice.

http://www.wtc7.net/store/books/wakingup/samples/page29.html
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David Ray Griffin discusses WTC building collapses (1 minute Video clip)
http://terrorize.dk/911/comments/david.ray.griffin.controlled.demolitions.wmv

10 minute video presentation by MIT Engineer/Research Scientist, Jeff King talking about the collapses of the World Trade Center buildings:
http://reopen911.org/video/cte_07.mov

Another excerpt from the book Waking Up From Our Nightmare
The 9/11/01 Crimes In New York City:
the killer fires theory

The first Official Explanation to be broadcast was that fires ignited by the jetliners' fuel had melted steel beams and columns within the Towers and thus caused the skyscrapers to ‘collapse’.

The British Broadcasting Company quoted ‘structural engineer’ Chris Wise in its September 13, 2001 piece How the World Trade Center Fell. Wise spoke with cinematic emphasis:
BBC said:
It was the fire that killed the buildings. There's nothing on earth that could survive those temperatures with that amount of fuel burning ... The columns would have melted, the floors would have melted and eventually they would have collapsed one on top of each other.
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The BBC online news story of 9/13/01 also quoted another expert. The buildings' construction manager, Hyman Brown, agreed that nothing could have saved them from the inferno.
BBC said:
The buildings would have stood had a plane or a force caused by a plane smashed into it, But steel melts, and 24,000 gallons of aviation fluid melted the steel. Nothing is designed or will be designed to withstand that fire.
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This graphic from the BBC is thoroughly inaccurate:

http://www.wtc7.net/store/books/wakingup/samples/docs/p2/bbc_graphic.jpg

* It describes the columns as steel-reinforced concrete when in fact they were 100% steel.
* It depicts the core as a being a fraction of its actual dimensions.
* It states that 800ºC temperatures can melt steel, when steel's melting point is 1535ºC.



The fundamental problem with the jet-fuel-melting-steel explanation is that its premise contradicts the laws of physics. No amount of ‘ “aviation fluid” ’ burning in the open flames of a building fire could even begin to melt steel. 1535ºCelsius is the melting point of structural steel, whereas 825ºCelsius is around the maximum temperature attainable with hydrocarbon-fueled fires without systematic pre-heating or pressurization of the air.

http://www.wtc7.net/store/books/wakingup/samples/page26.html
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Radio interview: Jim Hoffman's scientific analysis of the WTC collapses:
part 1
http://www.kpfa.org/cgi-bin/gen-mpe...le=dummy.m3u&mount=/data/20040929-Wed1400.mp3
part 2
http://www.kpfa.org/cgi-bin/gen-mpe...le=dummy.m3u&mount=/data/20041215-Wed1400.mp3
 
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To take down the building with bombs, wouldn't they need to poke around in there for months at a time and cut through a lot of support beams?
 
To take down the building with bombs, wouldn't they need to poke around in there for months at a time and cut through a lot of support beams?
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Good question. Let's get a commission to investigate.
 
Since When Do High-rise Buildings Fall Down From Fire?
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They sure as heck were scared of it happening during the Meridian High-Rise fire in Philadelphia. They stopped fighting the fire as a result of the fear of pancake collapse.

But hey, I asked this of Alek, maybe you'll give me an answer (please, no cut-n-paste stuff like above):

If fires cannot destroy high rise buildings, why do firemen fight them?

Take the Meridian fire again. It was night and no one was in danger, the fire was pretty much out of control, so attempting containment just to save office funriture was not worthy of the risk. The nearby buildings could have been sprayed down with water to keep it from spreading.

So why, oh why did the PFD fight the fire for nearly 11 hours, and lose three of their members, if there was no reason to stop the fire?
 
conspiracybeliever said:
Good question. Let's get a commission to investigate.
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Why do we need that when pretty much every demolition expert says the use of explosives at WTC is laughable?

Why is it that with all those big fonts and pitcures you guys still can't get one structrual engineer to agree with you that explosives were used or needed?
 
kookbreaker said:
Why do we need that when pretty much every demolition expert says the use of explosives at WTC is laughable?
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Actually, one of the govt's top demo specialist said it was a controlled demo the day of the event.

Why is it that with all those big fonts and pitcures you guys still can't get one structrual engineer to agree with you that explosives were used or needed?
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Dr. Steven Jones and Dr. Jeff King have both gone into detail on this. Steel box columns don't telescope in on themselves. It simply doesn't happen and the fact that NIST took 5 years before they could offer a luaghable excuse is quite telling in my opinion. The fact that the debris was removed ILLEGALLY BEFORE AN INVESTIGATION COULD TAKE PLACE should tell you that there is coverup going on.
 
kookbreaker said:
Why is it that with all those big fonts and pitcures you guys still can't get one structrual engineer to agree with you that explosives were used or needed?
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It takes a really big font to demolish a whole building, even after it's been hit by a plane a drone plane a misslie nothing something.
 
conspiracybeliever said:
Steel box columns don't telescope in on themselves. It simply doesn't happen and the fact that NIST took 5 years before they could offer a luaghable excuse is quite telling in my opinion.
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Right. They don't deform in heat, which is why they were covered with fire retardant at the time of construction.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Clearly, the towers fell down because of mass hypnosis. Khan and his minions now reside at ground zero.
 
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conspiracybeliever said:
Actually, one of the govt's top demo specialist said it was a controlled demo the day of the event.


Dr. Steven Jones and Dr. Jeff King have both gone into detail on this. Steel box columns don't telescope in on themselves. It simply doesn't happen and the fact that NIST took 5 years before they could offer a luaghable excuse is quite telling in my opinion. The fact that the debris was removed ILLEGALLY BEFORE AN INVESTIGATION COULD TAKE PLACE should tell you that there is coverup going on.
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Both those guys are, IMO, Hacks. I am working to get their licenses pulled, if they are licensed at all. No actual, working Engineer who knoews any structural and material theory supports your claim.
The "Stripe" you see looks like a bulge to me, which tells me things are failing. The "Squib" as you call it, is either a pigeon flying by or a window blowing out.
Get a life, and take your spam back to the Loose Change bunch.

RW G, PE (Colorado)
Mechanical, structural, and Loads Engineering
 
conspiracybeliever said:
Actually, one of the govt's top demo specialist said it was a controlled demo the day of the event.
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No. He didn't. And he's sick of you cranks misusing his words.

Dr. Steven Jones and Dr. Jeff King have both gone into detail on this.
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Dr. Jones is a physics professor. Not a structrual engineer. He doesn't have a clue about what he is talking about.

Steel box columns don't telescope in on themselves.
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They don't have to.

It simply doesn't happen and the fact that NIST took 5 years before they could offer a luaghable excuse is quite telling in my opinion.
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This phrase is full of so many exagerations its laughable. NIST didn't take five years to do anything, they weren't looking for an excuse. The method of failure was well known prior to NIST. And pretty much EVERY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IN THE WORLD AGREES.

The fact that the debris was removed ILLEGALLY BEFORE AN INVESTIGATION COULD TAKE PLACE should tell you that there is coverup going on.
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What it tells me is that you are full of it.

"There has been some concern expressed by others that the work of the team has been hampered because debris was removed from the site and has subsequently been processed for recycling. This is not the case. The team has had full access to the scrap yards and to the site and has been able to obtain numerous samples. At this point there is no indication that having access to each piece of steel from the World Trade Center would make a significant difference to understanding the performance of the structures".

Dr Gene Corley BPAT.

NIST also has several important pieces.
 
Both those guys are, IMO, Hacks. I am working to get their licenses pulled, if they are licensed at all. No actual, working Engineer who knoews any structural and material theory supports your claim.
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Until you can actually address their research YOU are the hack. And if you are working to "get their licenses pulled" then you are a hack AND a narc piece of trash.
 
conspiracybeliever said:
Good question. Let's get a commission to investigate.
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Did you ever visit the WTC before 9-11?

I did, several times. I lived in NYC at the time. You had to go through extensive security (due to the 1993 attack) to even get to the top. Of course, it was impossible to get to the offices without a proper ID.

What you are suggesting is a conspiracy on a scale so vast that it would require hundreds - probably thousands - of people:

  1. Knowing about this, way in advance - working, of course, together with the hijackers.

  2. Working on this, for many months.

  3. Hauling a lot of explosives into the towers.

  4. Placing the explosives at the right spots, with nobody catching on.

  5. Maintaining absolute silence, then and now.

Do you acknowledge this? Yes or no, please.
 
rwguinn said:
Both those guys are, IMO, Hacks. I am working to get their licenses pulled, if they are licensed at all. No actual, working Engineer who knoews any structural and material theory supports your claim.
The "Stripe" you see looks like a bulge to me, which tells me things are failing. The "Squib" as you call it, is either a pigeon flying by or a window blowing out.
Get a life, and take your spam back to the Loose Change bunch.

RW G, PE (Colorado)
Mechanical, structural, and Loads Engineering
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Your claim of credentials and expertise, obviously, negates anything that you might have to add to this topic, because you clearly are a fellow-traveller with those trying to hide the truth.

To paraphrase Shakespear (well, change it dramatically, really) first, let's kill the engineers!
 
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